The Guardian has released yet another vicious man-hater on the world to pontificate on the DSK case. This one is called Zoe Williams.
Ms Williams actually thinks that it is a bad thing that:
“when a charge of sexual assault is made, everything the accuser says is picked over for inconsistency and improbability”
You do seriously have to question whether Ms Williams world view is not lacking in sane objectivity, if she can write that without self-reflection. No, of course Ms Williams, we should just immediately put the accused in a hell-hole for seven years without questioning the evidence of the accuser. Who could possibly have the temerity to examine the evidence?
Ms Williams brings in another red herring – the accuser’s immigration status. She quotes a Ms Dustin as saying “rape victims can have insecure immigration status … and they can still be raped”.
Of course that is true. It is also irrelevant. It is not Ms Diallo’s immigration status which is relevant. It is the fact that she admits that she lied on her application – and lied about being raped. Of course that calls her credibility into question. It damn well should.
Listen, Ms Williams. I expect I have done a great deal more, in the real world, to help asylum seekers than you have. I have given evidence for asylum seekers in dozens of cases. I have appeared at their tribunals. I am working on three cases right now. I have never lost a case at appeal. I have organised campaigns which have prevented two last minute deportations – one stopped literally on the way to the airport.
If there is one thing hated by those of us who genuinely have put in the hard graft to help real asylum seekers, it is false, lying asylum applicants who poison the minds of the public and administrators of the system against those in real need. Butt out, Williams. You have no idea what you are talking about.
There are other lies. Ms Diallo lied about her number of children to claim social security benefit, lied about her income to get state housing, lied about very large sums paid into her bank accounts. The same applies – defending welfare provision is not helped by benefit cheats. Yet we should not question her credibility?
There is other nonsense in Williams’ article. She claims that the discrepancy in Diallo’s account is only about whether she went to the next room to collect her things, but actually it is about a full missing hour in which she lied about where she was – lied repeatedly and for no obvious reason, not just in the immediate aftermath when, had she been attacked, she would have been in shock.
I could go on, but I won’t. The final thing worth noting is the quite amazing claim that:
Diallo’s credibility – which is undermined here by hints about her trustworthiness in a range of situations rather than any evidence about her sexual behaviour – comes under so much more scrutiny than Strauss-Kahn’s.
What absolute nonsense! We have been treated to mound upon mound of stuff about DSK’s past sexual encounters, his sexual harassment of women who have worked for him (of which I strongly disapprove), a previous allegation of assault, his use of prostitutes. Not least by the Guardian. To pretend that Diallo has had her past unpicked more than Strauss Kahn is another example of the distorted world view of those who see women as nothing but victims.
The Sheridan case, the DSK case and the Assange case have all brought to the fore the true ugliness of sex negative feminism and man hatred, and the extent to which they made inroads into our culture and society just as insidious as the right wing propaganda of the Murdochs. They have also shown how those right wing forces can so easily hijack stupid blinkered man haters to the right wing agenda.
“Damn you, Craig Murray, for making me agree with dreoilin.” Yugostiglitz.
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This calls for a mariachi band in Mason, Ohio!
Thanks Jimmy; I think I am getting towards a greater understanding of your position.
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I don’t think I’ve ever given the impression that I believe all women are “made of sugar and spice”. I’ve met some lovely ones, some quite spiteful ones, some charming ones, and some violent. A mix, really, just like the variety of men that I have met!
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> [T]he women in your life are quite happy to ingratiate themselves to you by
> indulging you with your delusion that they are made of sugar and spice and all things
> not misandric
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Right, so all the women I know are misandrist, and are simply “placating all men” or “pretending to be humane”. Here’s a reasonable extrapolation, since you don’t know me or the women I know: for every man, all women they know are misandrist. This is a long-hand way of saying that all women hate men, which is patent nonsense.
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Have I made an error of logic, or is that really your view?
> This calls for a mariachi band in Mason, Ohio!
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I think it calls for a cuppa tea as well, as the band strikes up! We should savour the moment. Put the kettle on, would you Suhayl? 🙂
What on earth has Karl Marx got to do with this? He had a long beard, wore dark suits and lived in the C19th. He wrote an – possibly, the – critique of capitalism.
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You just don’t like women, Jimmy, that’s it, isn’t it? You simply do not like women.
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And so, you conflate all your normative absolute dislikes, associate them with other words which you know will provoke a negative reaction in most people, and then draw hyphens between them. You’re posts are a little like potted Benetton adverts. Hence the wondrous neologism of, ‘Marxist Femi-Nazi’ or ‘Femi-Marxi-Nazist’, or ‘Nazi-Marxo-Lennino-Femmy’, or just plain old ‘Damn Bloody Woman’!
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Lilith is looking for you, Jimmy, she is crawling towards you. Perhaps she will find you in your dreams…
I shall type this slowly Suhayl Saadi, so that your mangina mind won’t be left holding its redundant dick:
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I love women, which is why I hate feminists.
Yes, I wonder what it is about feminism that prompts (some) opponents to use the Marxist prefix? (Side note, I thought the acronym M-Fs was unfortunate, since I originally read that as Mother F*ckers! Perhaps I should lay off reading Freud and/or watching Tarantino movies.)
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Are all feminists of the “objectionable” necessarily anti-capitalist as well? If a feminist is not Marxist, is he/she a good feminist, even if he/she is misandrist? This is a minefield of complexity!
“Are all feminists of the “objectionable” necessarily anti-capitalist as well? If a feminist is not Marxist, is he/she a good feminist, even if he/she is misandrist? This is a minefield of complexity!”
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Only if you allow your equivocations to dominate your mind. So focus on what is real, and if your understanding cannot comprehend the reality, then you must change.
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Fact: One million boys on Ritalin in Marxist-Feminist controlled state schools.
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Fact: The CBS show, showing the unanimous misandric glee, of the news of an innocent husband being drugged and then mutilated by his wife; because he asked for a divorce.
No mariachi bands in Mason Suhayl unless there are musicians with the right skill in the 0.97% of the population which is
31,000. Possible I suppose. It is one of the 100 top places in the USA in which to live. Wikipedia.
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The racial makeup of the city was 94.79% White, 1.61% African American, 0.19% Native American, 2.18% Asian, 0.01% Pacific Islander, 0.30% from other races, and 0.93% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 0.97% of the population.
> This calls for a mariachi band in Mason, Ohio!
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>I think it calls for a cuppa tea as well, as the band strikes up! We should savour the moment. Put the kettle on, would you Suhayl?
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Laughing here … I had no idea this topic was still covering two threads, so I missed a lot. There will be a huge blue moon tonight, if YugoStiglitz is agreeing with me about anything.
I’m off to read my book about a cross-dressing murdering hairdresser, which is utterly mad but vaguely entertaining. And quite relaxing.
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@Jimmy, thanks for the book recommendation on the other thread.
Jimmy – you weren’t meant to take those questions seriously 😉
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But the crux of your position can, I think, be summarised by responding to my logical conclusion. I think I’ve used very solid logic to assert that you believe all women to be misandrists. I should be thrilled to get a direct answer to that, since we are very close.
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As for Ritalin, yes, that is a concern, and we discussed that at length elsewhere. As Dr. Suhayl has said, females are primary targets for other kinds of drugs – mainly anti-depressants I think. Both are instances of capitalism at work – sell the maximum number of drugs, regardless of the validity of the prescription, to maximise profit. Hence the Ritalin example doesn’t show that the system is biased against boys, nor that any schools are in the clutches of feminists.
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Again, I don’t see the video clip in the black-and-white terms that you do. The show is illustrative of a gender double-standard, sure, but it was a silly piece that doesn’t really signify much. Your standard of evidence is too low, I think. Women overwhelmingly would be horrified at the forcible castration of someone they knew; the talking heads’ distance enables them to laugh, just in the same way as the people who are telling Amy Winehouse jokes at the moment.
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So, as to whether all women are misandrist. It’s an important point, I think.
So kind of you, Jimmy.
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But you haven’t explained how this all relates to Karl Marx, the C19th man with a long beard and an effective critique of capitalism.
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Please could you explain, in terms of Marxist Theory, precisely how Karl Marx is associated with all this. Also, please could you explain, in terms of Marxist Theory, precisely how Karl Marx is associated with ‘DSK’ in what is surely, the very capital of capitalism, NYC. I’d have thought that DSK is just the kind of sort-of-pinkish guy you claim to despise as ‘Marxist-[add preferred term of abuse, anything will do]’. Whereas one would have thought you’d love NYC/ Wall Street as the arch-enemy of Marxism.
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So, we have a woman (and we know that you “love women”) accusing a ‘pinko Marxist-[add preferred term of abuse, anything will do] Frenchman’ is rape in the heart of the Big Apple… and yet you don’t like what that woman might represent because clearly she, too is a ‘Marxist-Femi-Nazi (a black one) Cleaner’. Hmn, what a dilemma. Whom does one hate more?
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Please type slowly now and with your dominant hand, lest you over-exert yourself…
Answer moved to the next thread… slowly.
Zoe Williams recently wrote a thoroughly unpleasant article in which she rubbished an animal charity which looks after abandoned cats and dogs…because she felt that the animals were treated too well.
This woman is a nasty piece of work.