Iran War Debate 104


I may not be able to post tomorrow as I am travelling all day from Ramsgate up to St Andrews to take part in a debate, speaking against the motion that “This House Would Resort to War to Prevent a Nuclear Iran”.

The debate will be in Lower Parliament Hall in St Andrews, starting at 19.30 on 17 November. I am sorry I can’t tell you yet who else is participating, because as with all highly topical debates it has been put together as short notice. I view campaigning to prevent the terrible death toll that a war would bring as my top priority at the moment.


104 thoughts on “Iran War Debate

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  • mike

    Ingo, But I AM partial — believe you me! It’s just that I would never claim access to absolute truth. However, I do abhor killing lots of innocent people. That’s my TRUTH. Surely no sane person can disagree with that?
    My OPINION, however, is that war seems to have become a way of keeping the wheels of disaster capitalism turning. Perhaps this has been its function since the market economy became the dominant model.
    I hope you’re right about Iran seeking more modernity and openness, but without buying into the same anomic consumerist model that’s crumbling around us.

  • ingo

    Mike I agree with you regards absolute truth, it is an abstract hard to ascertain,imho.
    I base my claim on Irans youth and its demography, they learn modernity every day, its not they are brought up in Madrasas they are very IT savvy indeed, love fashion, take drugs, just as any youth around the world.
    When Craig says that Ahmadinejad is a thug, a picture of two bodies hanging from a hydraulic crane spring to mind. The outrages of the administration visa vis control over popular believes, whether its in the political sphere, or their moralising over what comes natural, be it the persecution of homosexuals or the arbitrary justice metted out to those who strayed from a relationship, these aboritions will increasingly cause public disturbances, popular consent to oppose this will not have escaped the mullahs either, the real power within but also a sap on the economy, the development of Quom speaks volumnes. With such a young demography the mullahs will have to realise that their coexistence will mean a more considerate tone, hence my belief that Iran is on a course that is individual but also inevitably moving towards modernity. It is a consumer society like any and is subject to all its lures.
    Iran is surrounded by military bases from four major powers who posess nuclear weapons, it is goaded and tituloated at almost every step, and it is not reatliating in kind.
    One could hardly imagine how newsagencies and organisations would go into overdrive if Iran would respond in kind to the clandestine submarine threat of its coast and the modern Israeli missile carriers that patroled the Persdian Gulf regularly, what if it would send frigates through the Suez canal to patrol Israel’s coast to vist Damascus, could you imagine the crescendo of fury?

    but they don’t.

  • mike

    Ingo, Yes, Iran are constantly provoked, but they never respond. In that respect – the internal repression aside – they are far more civilised than the powers around them.

  • angrysoba

    Stephen, if you don’t know what hasbara means, you lack the basic knowledge to comment on MidEastern affairs at all. 0/10. Fail.

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    Or in other words, “If you’re not as obsessed with the Jews as me then you are probably a stooge of the Jews!”

  • nuid

    Or in other words, “If you’re not as obsessed with the Jews as me then you are probably a stooge of the Jews!”
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    Stop talking shite, Angry, that’s not what was said.

  • Mary

    Warmongers still at it.
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    18 November 2011 Last updated at 23:22
    Iran nuclear: UN voices ‘deep concern’ over plans
    Ali Ashgar Soltanieh: “It is a regretful, disappointing, politically motivated resolution which has nothing in it”
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    Iran nuclear crisis
    Case against Iran strengthened
    Q&A: Nuclear issue
    White House not on war path
    Fuelling Bushehr
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    The UN’s nuclear watchdog has passed a resolution expressing “deep and increasing concern” about Iran’s nuclear programme.
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    The IAEA resolution called on Iran to clear up outstanding questions about its nuclear capabilities, but did not refer it to the UN Security Council.
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    A recent IAEA report said Iran had carried out tests “relevant to the development of a nuclear device”.
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    Iran’s IAEA envoy said the resolution would only strengthen Iran’s resolve.
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    “It will be business as usual… We will continue our work as before,” Ali Ashgar Soltanieh told reporters.
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    Iran insists that it is enriching uranium only to use as fuel for nuclear power stations. However, the US and its allies believe it is trying to develop a nuclear weapon.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15797177

  • Mary

    Did you hear that Hague is meeting the Syrian rebels on Monday? Now when did we hear something like that before except it was Libya then. For Syria below read Libya and for SNC read TNC.

    ‘Meanwhile, the British Foreign Secretary announced that he would meet Syrian opposition members.
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    William Hague will meet members of the Syrian National Council (SNC) and the National Co-ordination Committee for Democratic Change in London on Monday, his office said.’
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-15802312

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  • Mary

    What do you make of this trial and conviction?

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    Surrey businessman guilty of illegal Iran Parts ‘shipped to Iran illegally’
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    A businessman has been found guilty of trying to export electrical parts to Iran despite being denied a licence.

    Dr Karim Pouladian-Kari, 45, from Guildford in Surrey, was convicted of knowingly attempting to export the electrical switchgear parts in 2009.

    The Old Bailey had heard he was denied a licence because of the risk the parts could be used to make weapons.

    Dr Pouladian-Kari had denied the parts could be used for military purposes. He will be sentenced on 12 December.

    The court heard Dr Pouladian-Kari ran a company called GTC Associates, based in Guildford, which exported parts to Iran Tablo Co (ITC) on 2 September 2009.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15794864

  • Komodo

    Nuid said:
    Stop talking shite, Angry, that’s not what was said.
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    Exactly. Or intended. Or by any remote stretch of the imagination interpretable as…. But angrysobs knows that fine. His brief is to shout “antisemitism” or change the subject when tricky questions are asked.

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  • Suhayl Saadi

    What’s this about toilet seats? Could it be that the spamotters have a collective anal retentive obessional-compulsive disorder? English public schools, eh? aren’t they just wonderful!

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