In Bed With Lola and Gulnara

by craig on December 5, 2011 1:42 pm in Uncategorized

The Afghanistan conference in Bonn is a farce. There are no representatives of the Afghan resistance to the occupation, so it is not negotiating peace. Karzai’s corrupt and effete presidency, obtained by massive electoral fraud, expires in 2014. It is no coincidence that immediately after that the NATO troops will leave. Be guaranteed that none of the Karzai family will remain in Afghanistan, but will rather retire to Switzerland with the many billions of dollars they have looted from UK and US taxpayers’ funds, and made from the heroin trade.

Pakistan of course is not present at the conference. After approximately 6,000 Pakistanis were blown up by the USA on Pakistani soil, the next 25 were killed all at once and were all young soldiers, something that not even Pakistan’s complacent, corrupt government could gloss over. So for now all of NATO’s ground supplies are being shipped through Uzbekistan – the percentage of NATO supplies going that way was already increased to almost 50% and still rising fast as a matter of policy,

Lucky that Hillary has a new best friend in President Karimov

All of which explains why there has been not one single word of criticism of Uzbekistan’s human rights record by the co-alition government in the UK. There was not one single mention of human rights, of child slave labour, of political prisoners, of free elections, unbanning the opposition, of freedom of assembly, speech or religious belief, when the British government hosted official Uzbek parliamentary and trade delegations last month. There was not one word either in public or in private on any of these subjects.

The current British government loves Karimov. It has never issued even the mildest criticism. Boiling people alive and torturing political opponents to death is fine by them. We even deport him back extra dissidents to practice on. This British government succesfully pushed through the EU new preferential tariff access for Uzbek cotton picked by eight year old child slaves.
The love affair with the British establishment goes wider than just this government. New Labour’s chief financier, their own Lord Ashcroft, is a man named Andrew Rosenfeld. He has sold a house in Switzerland to Karimov’s daughter Lola for three times its market value. Such huge payments in excess of market value are, very often, a spot of money laundering with the extra money being in return for something else.

Money flows both way – as previously reported here, Karimov’s elder daughter Gulnara is getting a massive cut from the transport of all those NATO supplies through Uzbekistan.

But the latest bit of love-in with the Karimov family will astound you. William Hague is going to agree that Gulnara Karimova – the most hated person in Uzbekistan – can come and live in London as Uzbek Ambassador. The request for her to be accepted (“agrement” in diplomatic parlance, in French) – has been in for some time. The only obstacle remaining is to resolve how many of Gulnara’s seven bodyguards will be allowed to carry semi-automatic weapons on the streets of London.

Among our major political parties, the notion of morality appears virtually as dead as it is to the Karimov family.

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140 Comments

  1. Noor-e-Hira

    5 Dec, 2011 - 2:05 pm

    and this morality will never end from them or anybody in their sphere.

  2. My God. Or whoever.
    Could this atrocity (I can’t think of any other word) explain your sudden “blacklisting” – even by media who have interviewed or published you before?

  3. Britain regresses to the 18th century before Wilberforce. Slavery is once more acceptable to our government.

  4. Holy shit 6000 Pakistani soldiers killed, and still no one talks of war? Ambassador Gulnara, for sure will be partying long and hard.
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    This is depressing.
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    The morality has been long dead, only the news of its death has not been widely circulated. The bastards have their noses so far down into the trough, they have lost all sense of reality and cannot see the world tumbling down around them.

  5. That is disgusting! Hague should go! To have Gulnara Karimova as an ambassador from Uzbekistan, with her family record on human rights would be a despicable appointment. She is next in line to inherit her father’s presidency.
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    A friend of mine recently brought back a leaflet from an exhibition in liverpool run by the Environmental Justice Foundation which shows a young boy, who can be no more than six years old, with a bag of cotton bolls strapped to his waist entitled “The Real Cost of Cotton”. He is bent double reaching for the lower bolls and looks like a little old stoop-backed man. Children have a daily quota to pick. They are bullied and threatened and get little or no pay for their work.
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    http://www.ejfoundation.org/page142.html

  6. larry Levin

    5 Dec, 2011 - 2:22 pm

    Who are we to judge any torturing tyrant? dont we send people to other countries to be tortured? I think in Karimov we have found a person just like us.

  7. Maybe we can write to Avaaz to start a campaign against Shitnara appointment?

  8. “US diplomats paint a harsh picture of overall life in Uzbekistan, largely corroborating allegations made by the former UK ambassador Craig Murray, who was forced out of his job in 2004 after denouncing the regime.”
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    “Most Uzbeks see Karimova as a greedy, power-hungry individual who uses her father to crush business people or anyone else who stands in her way … She remains the single most hated person in the country.”
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    from cables, and Mr “No-conspiracy theory here” himself
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/12/wikileaks-us-conflict-over-uzbekistan
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    She appears to much prefer stealing from her country than living in it.

  9. Following my last comment, I have written to Avaaz, suggesting a compaign, if the others write as well, maybe we can stop this.

  10. Sorry Craig Murray, did not realise my link was the same as yours.

  11. “Among our major political parties, the notion of morality appears virtually as dead as it is to the Karimov family”.

    I am impressed by your innocence in believing that politicians in any nation are influenced by considerations of morality. They certainly talk about it a lot, but only as a convenient tool for influencing and fooling the gullible.

    Politics has very rarely had anything to do with morality, a fact noticed about 500 years ago by Machiavelli – although it was already very well-established. An earlier source would be Thucydides, for example in his Melian Dialogue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melian_dialogue

  12. I’ve written to AVAAZ too. The contact link is hard to find. It’s at the bottom of the page.

  13. Larry Lavin, I agree with you to some extent, but Karimov is the worst in the world for torture. It is known that he ordered to torture and kill his opponents by dropping them into boiling water. He and his family deserve to be hanged upside down and let to die slowly, I pray that his days are numbered.

  14. Your photograph shows two torturing, murdering shits. At least Karimov has the decency not to put a big ‘ho ho’ clown smile on his face.

  15. Quelcrime : You cannot mention Krimov and decency in one sentence! Yes both are murdering shits.. but there is no decency in either, maybe Krimov is pondering “I wonder when are you going to turn on me, same as you did with your friends in ME”!

  16. It’s the Great Game, chaps….these Central Asian johnnies will be OK when we’ve taught them cricket.
    .
    Getting stuff into Afghanistan MIGHT be a slight logistical problem if anything were to happen in Georgia or Azerbaijan, though. And, now the tedious necessity for rigged
    elections has been crowned with glorious victory, I guess Putin will be pondering this one.

  17. Just did a quick search on The Guardian website; no mention of Rosenfeld anywhere in their online archives. It is a sad day when even the Mail is more informative.

  18. In one of those unusual Internet coincidences, this article popped up in my Google Reader just minutes before an email from Change.org about Uzbek cotton arrived in my Inbox.

    Sign the petition here: http://www.change.org/petitions/tell-european-parliament-to-stop-supporting-forced-child-labor-in-the-cotton-industry

  19. Those drinking soup shaking hand with the devil ought to have a very long spoon arm.
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    Much to chagrin of the other thugs in chief, whom reliant on the beneficence of their “friends” had dreams of immortality, and now they are buried in unknown graves, post their execution. Karimov can smile all he wants, but that is not going to save his nuts, come the hour, he will get the treatment too.

  20. Craig, I don’t quite follow what exactly you are trying to say here in paragraph 2:
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    “Numbers approximately 6,000 to 6,025 of Pakistanis blown up by the USA on Pakistani soil were killed all at once and were all young soldiers, something that not even Pakistan’s complacent, corrupt government could gloss over.”
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    Maybe some words were accidentally chopped from the sentence, because as it reads it doesn’t make sense. I am not aware of any incident in which approximately 6,000 Pakistani soldiers were “killed all at once” by the US forces.

  21. More Great Americans of Our Time learning about freedom and democracy from the expert:
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    http://www.infowars.com/images2/nwo/140906karimovrumsfeld.jpg

  22. Someone’s going to object to this comment. Guaranteed.
    http://www.thejewishweek.com/features/hail_uzbeki_chief

  23. Sam,

    It is plain to me, strangely. Of the approx 6,025 people blown up, numbers approx 6,000 to 6,025 were soldiers. The first 6,000 were all sorts of things, including a few soldiers. But I have now changed it to make it still more plain.

  24. Says it all, really:
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/10/2011102775111437925.html
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    Hillary didn’t say why contact and influence were good for Karimov’s Uzbekistan, but not Gaddafi’s Libya.

  25. Hi Komodo,
    You have done it again. The gushing, and fawning about “Islom Karimov” [Sic] note, not “Islam” but hey we are talking Jewish Supremacy
    and for sure no doubts can be tolerated about who the enemy is, and a quick change of a vowel can come in handy.
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    The rabbi doing his gloating about his discovery of Karimov the Islam bashing Knight of the Capitol Hill in Uzbekistan, and how he (the rabbi) helped Karimov, who is now helping the cause of the US, well how wise the rabbis has proven to be, typical subliminal bullshitcraft expected from his kind of rabbi.
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    Islom Karimov deserves to honoured because; “Islom” likes Jews and that is good enough, and all that matters, so if he is killing/boiling/incarcerating Muslims, he is just helping the cause of the “only democracy in the middle east”, and huzzah to that then!
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    I know there is a shabbos goy, but what kind of a goy is Islom Karimov then?

  26. I wonder why the “Coalition” hasn’t started “supporting” an armed revolution against Karimov the cruel tyrant. It would look a lot better than being seen to play along with him, plus they’d take over Uzbek resources, like they did in Lybia and, in future, Iran and Syria.

  27. The Bonn Conference was for the purpose of anointing India as the new US proxy rulers of Afghanistan. Pakistan knew this.
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    The curious issue is that the US funded (and armed) the fall of the Soviets and its allies the Northern Alliance and India .. whilst today they are now bedfellows .
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    The Uzbekistan transit route is important for the expansion of the war into Pakistan even though the cost of transport is two-fold in comparison. Though experts believe the route is open to greater attacks and unreliable.
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    Pakistan has blocked the supply route it says permanently, we’ll see though currently it is day 7 of a blockade that would see the US reserve supplies fall to zero.

  28. Glad you said what you did about the vile Pakistani “government”.
    It so needed saying.

  29. @komodo
    except that the “massacring his own people” attributed to Gaddafi was faked for the purposes of regime change. Try looking for the evidence – helicopter gunships, aerial bombing, people being forced to jump to their doom off bridges,all the tripe served up by the Guardian & Co – it doesn’t exist.

  30. The UK’s support of Karimov and the slavery that goes on in Uzbekistan isn’t just about Nato supply convoys.
    Any ruler knee deep in innocent blood gets the nod of approval if he pledges his support to Israel and Zionism.

    The Labour/Liberal/Conservative friends of Israel, can’t pick and choose which human rights abusing friends of Israel they will support, because there aren’t so many of them.
    They have to accept them where ever they find them.
    Karimov can boil as much people alive as he wants, he can enslave also enslave who ever he wants, and to criticize him for any of that would be one step away from anti-semitism as far as our Zionist rulers are concerned as long as he continues to pledge his support to Israel.

  31. I am inclined to agree with Tom Welsh that it is naive to expect morality from our rulers.T’was ever thus. We can however keep each other better informed about their murderous misdeeds and it is getting harder for them not to be seen as they truly are.To give one brief example. Blair recently gave a talk to a gathering of Native American Indians and spoke for an hour on his plans for a carbon tax,afterwards he was presented with a plaque inscribed to “Walking Eagle” with which he was much chuffed.A reporter later asked the Indians why they had chosen this title and was told that was the name they gave to all birds who were so full of shit that they were unable to fly!
    A suitable name for Karimov and his progeny will soon be coined and will be known worldwide, possibly just as “boil in a bag karry” not to be confused with curry,anyone got a better notion?
    As for Clinton after her libyan performance who knows? By the way I have noticed a number of my posts to your blog seem to vanish very fast,am I boring you?

  32. $500 to anyone who finds evidence of intelligence inside Hillary Clinton’s brain. On another note, very good article.

  33. Off Topic but needs to be shared:
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    “Police have angered Occupy London activists after listing the movement among terrorist groups in an advisory notice sent to the business community in the City.”
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/05/occupy-london-police-terrorism-document

  34. [I am inclined to agree with Tom Welsh that it is naive to expect morality from our rulers]


    Nothing has changed,they were a bunch of c**ts in the 17th century,they were the same in the 18th/19th and 20th century and they are the same now.

  35. Avaaz is a bit worrying. I’ve seen criticism on Twitter, to the effect that there is nowhere on the site that anyone can propose petitions. Avaaz itself chooses them. And I’ve seen it said (but haven’t checked out) that it’s not possible to find out on the website who exactly is running it. Further, that it’s funded by Soros (?). I can’t back up any of this, I’m quoting tweets from Ali Abunimah and several others.
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    My point about Craig being (recently and more thoroughly) blacklisted: Hague & Co are well aware of Craig, his connections to Uzbekistan, and why he is no longer an Ambassador. They must have known that when this story got out, he would be the first to jump on it and make a lot of ‘noise’. So did they recently put the word out to silence him in the “mainstream”. And could this explain why nobody would publish his previous article. Hague can easily twist the “need” into “national interest”.

  36. Sometimes I simply lose faith with humanity.

  37. “A reporter later asked the Indians why they had chosen this title and was told that was the name they gave to all birds who were so full of shit that they were unable to fly!”
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    [Joke, right? They tell it about Obama too. They even told it about John Kerry. Pity.]

  38. Mon 5 Dec 2011 17:07:34 GMT
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    Hillary Clinton is not an unintelligent woman by a very long way, nor is she weak. What’s quite baffling is her look of genuine delight at being photographed hand in hand with a monster. There really are monsters in the world, as children should be taught, and the worst part is that they look just like us most of the time. This Karimov doesn’t, his very visage announces “evil”.
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    Clinton’s body language, with the slight lean in, shows no revulsion whatsoever. Presumably our own representatives feel the same, if the UK is rolling out the red carpet for his poisonous daughter. No mutterings about humanitarian intervention, hand-wringing about a lack of democracy, denunciations of dictators, nothing – that’s just for our Official Enemies. This makes any official complaints about genuinely bad people in power dismissible as mere political rhetoric, our word and standing as a country bankrupt.
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    We’ve sold out to the US regime, ably personified by a delighted Clinton, thrilled to have made a deal with a monster, all in the furtherance of our wars of choice.

  39. Nuid , Avaaz is definitely not funded by anyone, its accounts are audited and I am sure with a bit of digging you can find that. It is funded purely by donation from members. I think as their influence has grown, the elements out there are trying to discredit them. You can definitely propose a campaign, the same with any other organization, whether they will pick it up or not, I suppose they are similar to any other organization. They fights battles which they think they have enough support for it or not as you can appreciate that there are hundreds of campaign proposed on any of this websites, they have to choose their battles therefore even if a campaign is important to me and you, it might not top priority for everyone else.

  40. Whoo-hoo! We’ve all got timestamps now, nice one Mods! I won’t have to put mine in manually now after all :)

  41. I am reminded of Craig’s post:
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    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/10/malyshevs-disappeared/
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    I think tonight at 6.30pm, the House of Commons will debate extradition reform. The motion calls on the government to introduce legislative proposals to enact the basic safeguards recommended by the Joint Committee on Human Rights (JCHR), rather than accept the ‘do nothing’ counsel of the Baker review.
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    For those who believe in standing up for our core liberties and basic standards of British justice, extradition reform is another acid test for this inhuman coalition of war-mongers (Boris excluded). The European Arrest Warrant and the ONE SIDED arrangements under the UK-US treaty signed off by liar Blair needs a stern critical examination.
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    It is a travesty that the government has been too feeble to help Mikel and Nina Malyshev, Gary McKinnon and others in similar positions, by ignoring its duty to protect the well-being of its citizens and others deported to certain torture and death. We need to bring to an end this brutal and absurd law.

    .

    I also note the lazy bastard Hywel Francis MP voted against changing the text in the Prevention of Terrorism Bill from “The Secretary of State may make a control order against an individual” to “The Secretary of State may apply to the court for a control order…”.
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    In June 2003, he voted against a motion that would have recalled Blair’s assertion that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that could be used at 45 minutes’ notice, and launching an independent inquiry into the intelligence received and the decisions that were based on it.
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    In June 2007, he voted against a motion calling for an independent inquiry by a committee of Privy Counsellors into the Iraq War.
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    Is this bastard a true Welshman? I don’t think so!

  42. It’s not only Taliban who have boycotted the conference – but also Afghanistan’s historic neighbors, Pakistan and Iran have also boycotted it.

    US-NATO has lost war in Afghanistan. Taliban have already recaptured 80% of Afghanistan. What Washington, UK and NATO are trying – is to find an ‘honorable way’ like the USSR to exit Aghanistan. This cannot be achieved without the help of Tehran and Islamabad which control Taliban and other resistance groups.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/the-taliban-surge/

  43. Israel-Firster Hillary Clinton whose daughter is married to a zionist Jew – feel cosy with President Karimov – because as Jewish daily FORWARD put it: “The American Jewish groups have very cosy relationship with Karimov regime for its “positive attitude toward the local Jewish community and Israel as well as its hawkish stand against radical Islam”.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/uzbekistan-resisting-islamic-past/

  44. Nuid, as I mentioned in an earlier post the Contact Us link is at the bottom of the page in purple on a blakc background. Easy to miss. But I contacted them and I think Azra did first. Can as many people as possible please contact AVAAZ to see if a petition can be raised to prevent Gulnara Karimova from becoming Uzbekistan’s ambassador to the UK please.
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    http://www.avaaz.org/en/
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    She has already been ostracised by the fashion industry. France refused to remove the word “dictator” when referring to her father. The whole regime was built on torture and repression, slavery and privilege for the dictatorial family that runs the country.

  45. It looks like this toadying has been going on for more than 12 months. Craig Murray deservedly gets a mention in any context when Karimov is mentioned in a positive light.
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    http://www.eurasianet.org/node/62174

  46. Gulnara Karimova has already been the main diplomatic representative to Spain (another neocon country that does everything the US says) and Geneva.
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    http://www.un.int/wcm/content/site/uzbekistan/cache/offonce/pid/8932;jsessionid=01BE5A2B229CC90B66054DA865EAE58D

  47. There’s no morality with these types.Realpolitik is the game,in the sense that they’ll do anything to get what they want.Wrap yourself in the flag-any flag-and employ a vague theistic rhetoric as a fig leaf for untold crimes.

    But,one day,they’ll all have to pay the piper for their crimes.

  48. Glenn, when I look at the photograph I don’t see a woman shaking hands with a monster. I see two monsters shaking hands, of whom the woman is probably the worse.

    Not because she is chortling with glee, which is just normal PR, but because she is almost certainly responsible for killing, torturing, and maiming far more innocent people than Karimov. Whereas his police may deliberately boil the occasional victim, Hillary’s glorious armed forces drop bombs on their victims from a great height and are whizzing home before the flames do their hideous work. (If they don’t do it all from some air-conditioned trailer in the good ol’ USA).

  49. As my friend has told me Gulnara (Shitnara) had been planning to come to ambassadorial post in London long time ago. The mass killing in Andijan in 2005 and angry protests in front of the Uzbek Embassy at Holland Park came against her plans and for security reasons her father then sent her to Switzerland. You may wander why she wants London. Well she has got two sons, they are just around the age of 17-18. She wanted to get them into famous Eton school at that time. She even made necessary documents just before 2005. Then the mass killing took place. Now, it is just time, with the support of conservatives, Craig’s notes may well be right. If this is true, then you will expect bodyguards not just for Shitnara but for her shithole sons as well. Long live deRmocracy!

  50. Voila

    I think the sons are here at school already. I won’t say which one, because while I hate this murdering family they are still children.

  51. ” The only obstacle remaining is to resolve how many of Gulnara’s seven bodyguards will be allowed to carry semi-automatic weapons on the streets of London.”
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    I’m sure she’ll get as many as she wants.One day monsters like this will realise they are in their own prison and all the billions and jewels mean nothing,nothing at all.Karma.
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    No word,in this context,from the esteemed Dr.Fox about armed undesirables running around London i see…

  52. It’s funny Craig. First I heard about you was shortly after the Andijan massacre.
    It was denounced left right and centre by all.Grim pictures of innocent victims and the subsequent protests covered the screens for quite a few nights on the news.
    And yet now, all conveniently forgotten.Karimov’s OK.His daughter’s a socialite.
    The blood still flows and the torture has never stopped but our politicians are too busy sating their own thirst for blood that they hardly notice the inhumanity of the Karimov regime.Shukur must be turning in his grave to see the little upstartstill there.
    The same dictator,only many thousands of victims further down the road , joined by Hilary who strangely fits in quite well to the picture.The same human that squealed with delight when Bin Laden was murdered when he could easily have been taken alive,and the same Foreign Secretary that jumped for joy on hearing that Ghadafi who had been taken alive ,had been executed.
    Guess our Govt. has become a monster in its own right and enjoys the heat of the burning fires too.Still hard to believe that the Cons are managing all of this in a coalition of the willing Cleggs.
    Chris Rea’s “Road to Hell” does come to mind.How did we get here so soon.
    It is such a few short steps to a fascist regime. Clegg no doubt has a nice pair of jack boots already picked out to march in step.

  53. Azra and John,
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    I’m a member of Avaaz myself and have signed dozens of their petitions. I only became aware of criticisms lately.
    I’ve been doing some reading.
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    From the Avaaz website:
    “Each year, Avaaz sets overall priorities through all-member polls (See 2010 poll results here), and campaign ideas are polled and tested weekly to 10,000-member random samples—and only initiatives that find a strong response are taken to scale.”
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    I’m sure it’s a good idea to email them about Karimova, but maybe it won’t be acted on unless there’s a “strong response” from a 10,000 member sample.
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    Wikipedia has an Avaaz page here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avaaz.org
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    The founders are given here:
    {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avaaz.org#Etymology_and_origin}
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    The funding and organisation section has a note on it saying “The neutrality of this article is disputed” and there’s a link to a discussion page here:
    {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Avaaz.org} (which seems to have halted in July 2011 without resolution).
    .
    The reference to Soros seems to have come from a Canadian conservative:
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    “In 2008, Canadian minister John Baird labeled Avaaz a “shadowy foreign organization” tied to billionaire activist George Soros.[46] Other conservative Canadians, such as Ezra Levant,[47] have identified Soros as an indirect supporter through MoveOn.[48][49]”
    [MoveOn.org were one of the founders]
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    Many are still asking – since Avaaz was only founded in 2007 – how they can do such expensive campaigning with nothing more than donations from the ‘grassroots’. Me, I’m undecided.
    HTH

  54. Hey, thanks for the timestamps Jon!

  55. Forgot to mention that I heard back from Amnesty again regarding the Malyshev case. Apparently on foot of Helena’s request, they’re not doing anything substantive at the moment, but will continue to monitor events. (Amnesty is not allowed into the country.)

  56. Nuid.[The funding and organisation section has a note on it saying “The neutrality of this article is disputed” and there’s a link to a discussion page here:
    {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Avaaz.org} (which seems to have halted in July 2011 without resolution).]


    Those disputed signs are all over wikipedia and really do not mean much. You will find a load on Israel/Palestine subject because somebody has written factual,sourced and linked to events that criticise Israel and then one Israeli supporter turns up and puts up that sign then talks a lot of rubbish on the discussion page so the sign does not get taken down.Well known tactic on that site. I gave being an editor on there because you cannot post the truth and I do not mean conspiracy theory, I mean factual,documented history.
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  57. “@komodo
    except that the “massacring his own people” attributed to Gaddafi was faked for the purposes of regime change. Try looking for the evidence – helicopter gunships, aerial bombing, people being forced to jump to their doom off bridges,all the tripe served up by the Guardian & Co – it doesn’t exist.”
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    Whether there was any truth in it or not, that was the reason we were given for bombing the shit out of him. And that is the reason for bombing the shit out of Karimov we are being asked to ignore.
    Anyway, I didn’t write the article. Tell the person who did.

  58. Nuid.. About that neutrality banner,it should not be there. Someone has put it up in September 2011 and has failed to start a discussion on the talk page related to it. Therefore it can be taken down. You are supposed to go to the talk page to discuss it but all the talk on that page is older than the banner.

  59. Craig – check the quote under the 5th picture http://twitpic.com/7oxsw3

    Tomorrow’s Independent – “Caught on camera: top lobbyists boasting how they influence the PM”

  60. Agent Bob -respect.
    It takes us back to the close involvement of Bell Pottinger (and Fox, and Werritty) with Sri Lanka, doesn’t it?

  61. Retrospective: no doubt their good works in Uzbekistan will be revealed in due course…
    http://hurryupharry.org/2011/10/13/liam-fox-adam-werritty-lord-bell-bell-pottinger-and-sri-lanka/

  62. @nuid/Craig – regarding the Malyshevs, I wonder if low-level Amnesty actions would still be okay at the moment? I mean, if people were to write to the Uzbek Embassy in London, and protest at their treatment, could that harm their situation?

  63. John Pilger’s article on Truthseeker today makes a scathing attack on the Guardian and UK’s role in murder and torture.
    ‘The lawyer Phil Shiner, who has forced a public inquiry into British military’s criminal behaviour in Iraq, says that embedded journalism provides the cover for the killing of “the hundreds of civilians killed by British forces when they had custody of them, [often subjecting them] to the most extraordinary, brutal things, involving sexual acts… embedded journalism is never ever going to get close to hearing their story”. It is hardly surprising that the Ministry of Defence, in a 2000-page document leaked to WikiLeaks, describes investigative journalists -journalists who do their job – as a “threat” greater than terrorism.’

  64. That bed is a busy place, any which way the bedmates can turn, they will face some thoroughly distasteful and evil character. As in the long traditions of the “School of Americas”. In fact we can safely assume, there are plenty of perverts milling around under the bedsheets.
    ,
    No one in the “Media” is concerned with the repression and murderfest under way in the Saudi; demonstrations against those killed by Saudi forces in the city of Qatif The Saudi array of princes have for long been enjoying the fruits of their collective thuggery and are highly respected bedmates.
    ,
    Meanwhile back at the ranch, our “Media” are running with important stories; Boy, 9, suspended from school for sexual harassment after calling teacher ‘cute’ As seen in DM

  65. Political lobbying scandal seems to be brewing over coverage of Uzbekhistan and Belarus and Bell Pottingers very close contacts with Cameron. Front page of tomorrow’s Independent.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vicious-dictatorship-which-bell-pottinger-was-prepared-to-do-business-with-6272766.html

  66. Larger story on
    .
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/caught-on-camera-top-lobbyists-boasting-how-they-influence-the-pm-6272760.html
    .
    [Mod/Jon – full link added, as the front page usually changes very quickly]

  67. Strange how one link leads to another. Last week I was banging on, largely unnoticed, about Christian Sweeting, recently employed by Heritage Oil (prop, Tony Buckingham) to promote HE full time with our government. Heritage has no links I can discover with Uzbekistan (boo) but (hooray) Christian Sweeting has just set up a little company, based in Kensington, called “International Mineral Resources Ltd” Look out for the Ltd. There are several large firms called International Mineral Resources: this isn’t one of them.
    .
    Christian’s partner in this enterprise is one Patrick Michael Newman. Newman has a number of small companies, though not yet IMR Ltd, listed at
    http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/903747987
    .
    One, Green Energy Capital Ltd (dissolved), is listed at the same address as the one I found elsewhere for IMR.
    .
    Another isn’t. It’s The “British Uzbek Society” (active), registered in Tonbridge, Kent, that hotbed of Uzbeki tradition and culture..
    And I don’t think it has many members yet.
    .
    If this guy is following the Werritty model, he sets up little shell companies reflecting his current area of sleaze. Probably for the letterhead. And if he’s following the Sweeting model, as seems likely, he’s hoping to get someone an in with Hague on the subject of Uzbekistan.
    .
    Watch this space.

  68. Hamid Karzai demanded $10 billion per year as bribe for the next ten years. Hillary Clinton told the present Zionist poodle that Karzai’s demand was a BARGAIN!!

    http://rehmat2.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/bonn-conference-on-afghanistan-without-taliban/

  69. Pravda Forum not plugging your site hard enough, Rehmat?

  70. These foreign Johnnys are not all that bright, and don’ know what they need to do is; first pass a law in the aid of whichever repression campaign they want to run. Then they can perfectly and legally go about dealing with those breaking the said laws, ie deal with criminals, and not dissidents.
    ,
    This is how it should be done

  71. Rehmat,
    It is a bargain, what is the going price for the opium and derivatives? Never mind the minerals, the oil and gas reserves in Afghanistan?
    ,
    Ten billion is chicken feed, and it is designed to keep the war lords in a befitting life style, with the relevant troops of the dancing boys thrown in for good measures.
    ,
    Meanwhile back the ranch;
    Hilary Clinton in a confidential and closed meeting was thinking out aloud, not realising, when the thoughts are concerning Isreal there is no confidentiality, So she has infuriated the sacred ones by her concerns for democracy in that country

  72. “About that neutrality banner,it should not be there.”
    .
    Someone has taken it down? (I wonder who that was? lol) Me, I stick to editing place names and the like, nothing historical or political, it’s too much hassle. I mainly just wanted to give people a link to the “talk” page.
    .
    Jon,
    as far as I know, Helena has asked for campaigning to stop, which suggests the Malyshevs are under pressure. I’d write to Amnesty’s International Secretariat but not the Usbek embassy. But Craig would probably know better than me.

  73. Everyone should listen to ALL of this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldtmuZHVUWY

  74. Nuid, thanks. If they only consider campaigns where there has been a substantial reponse from “members” perhaps we cannot get this campaign going. Still it’s worth us all trying. If nothing comes of it then we know what to do with AVAAZ and its other campaigns.

  75. Ruth, that’s what bothers me about journalists who do their job, proper journalists, not embedded journalists who are just fed the gumf the forces want to feed them, that their voices are quelled by the owners of the media. They are scary, with a big S.

  76. Just discovered this frightening piece of news.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/12/02/180369.html?mid=547456

  77. Jonangus Mackay

    6 Dec, 2011 - 1:53 am

    Rupert, your ethics-free successor in Tashkent, seems aptly named. Strength through Joy.

  78. Jonangus Mackay – According to Anti-Defamation League (ADL) – an insulting Rupert Murdoch is an ‘old fasioned anti-Semitism’.

    On October 13, 2010 – ADL had honored Murdoch for his “stalwart support of Israel and his commitment to promoting respect and speaking out against anti-Semitism”.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/10/18/murdoch-israel-and-jews-under-attack/

  79. Jonangus Mackay

    6 Dec, 2011 - 3:08 am

    @Rehmat: Shome mishstake, shurely. Wrong Rupe. This one is Rupert Joy, currently enjoying himself as Her Majesty’s ambassador to Uzbekistan, least of whose crimes (in my view) would appear to include, according to the Guardian’s investigator-in-chief David Leigh a couple of days ago, the following: ‘The British ambassador in Tashkent, Rupert Joy, was criticised by human rights groups in October when he helped boost Gulnara’s image by appearing with her on a fashion show platform.’ I presume His Excellency was merely ‘obeying orders.’ Such creeps will be the end of the world.

  80. Jonangus Mackay

    6 Dec, 2011 - 3:26 am

    Correction: My discalculia again. Suddenly occurred to me that, given his very recent spat here (see preceding post re Gould/Werrity) with Mr Joy’s successor, Leigh’s mention of Craig Murray in the piece in question seemed a tad incongruous. Checked the date. Turns out appeared a year ago. Plenty of time since then for Mr Joy to accommodate yet greater crimes which, if we’re lucky, we might get to find out about in 30 years time. By which time, should there be a just God, Mr Joy will be comfortably in his grave.

  81. Jonangus Mackay

    6 Dec, 2011 - 3:33 am

    Blimey. Not just discalculia. Must take more of the Omega 3s etc to get those neurotransmitters working properly. Meant of course ‘Mr Joy’s predecessor.’

  82. Jonangus Mackay

    6 Dec, 2011 - 3:53 am

    Can’t even spell it.
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia

  83. Jonangus Mackay

    6 Dec, 2011 - 4:00 am

    They nameme the guilty men. The Swiss seem to get by with a woman.
    .
    http://mfa.uz/eng/mfa/diplomatic_corps/

  84. Jonangus Mackay

    6 Dec, 2011 - 4:07 am

    I notice from the preceding list that the US ambassador is even more aptly named than his British counterpart . . . a Mr Butcher.

  85. Jonangus Mackay

    6 Dec, 2011 - 4:38 am

    For those with a passing interest in the kinship between the shameful and the shameless, and the aetiology of the latter, Who’s Who furnishes the following:
    .

    JOY, Rupert Hamilton Neville
    Born London, 5 Sept. 1963; s of Peter Joy , qv ; m 2004, Kirsteen Hall; two s one d

    HM Diplomatic Service; Ambassador to Uzbekistan, since 2009

    EDUCATION
    New Coll., Oxford (BA Modern Hist. 1985); Dijon Business Sch. (Master’s Dip. in Internat. Wine and Spirits Trade 2004)

    CAREER
    English teacher, British Council, Hong Kong, 1986–87; editor: Macmillan Publishers, Hong Kong, 1987–88; Mitchell Beazley Publishers, 1988–90; entered FCO, 1990; Soviet Dept, FCO, 1990–91; Arabic lang. trng, 1991–93; Second Sec., Sana’a, 1994–95; First Sec., Riyadh, 1995–96; Counter-Terrorism Dept, FCO, 1996–99; Kosovo Unit, FCO, 1999; Dep. Hd of Mission, Rabat, 2000–03; Dep. Consul-Gen., Basra, 2005; S America Team, FCO, 2005–08.

    PUBLICATIONS
    contribs to UK wine mag., Decanter.

    RECREATIONS
    Wine, archaeology, Islamic history, tennis.

    — — — — —

    I note in particular that Mr Joy appears to have spent three years in the FCO’s Counter-Terrorism Department. As is always the case with such moral cripples, his interest in terrorism clearly doesn’t extend to state terror. Except, presumably, when conniving in it.
    .

  86. Jonangus Mackay

    6 Dec, 2011 - 5:17 am

    For those who may feel the urge to convey seasonal greetings to Her Majesty’s ambassador to Uzbekistan (I hesitate to say, Tidings of Discomfort to Joy), the following fax numbers will come in handy:
    .
    +998-71-1201520
    .
    +998-71-1201506
    .
    Or, should you prefer Skype or some such:
    .
    +998-71-1201500
    .
    +998-71-1206288

  87. This is shocking news

    One point of fact – ground supplies in the Northern Route also go across the Turkmen border in addition to Uzbekistan. Fuel at least.

  88. Seeing photos, like the one of Karimov and Clinton, reminds me why they are forbidden in Islam. Only Allah knows our inner thoughts. Even if we captured one of these leaders, many of the components, similar to Mark Golding’s description of the electronics of a drone, would be standard Macchiavellian spec, and many would be designed to self-erase, enabling the inane Blair grin.
    Allah alone knows about our own hearts, the pointless grudges we bear against others, and the excuses we make for ourselves.
    The verses : ‘Lead us not into temptation’, and its equivalent in the Qur’an, ‘Do not make us a trial for the disbelievers’, remind us that most of us spend most of our time at he level of tabloid readers, pruriently scapegoating our own deficiencies of moral courage onto the public figures whose pictures are featured with a list of ‘crimes’. It’s as cheap as a free lift on a Rolls. How do we intend to start changing the world ourselves is the question we try very hard to avoid.
    What is the difference between for example blaming Zionism for trying to divide and rule in Syria between the competing national interests of powerful nations, and teenage Freudian speculation about how your parents are to blame for your problems? It’s a good diversion for a time.
    That’s why I’m a Muslim, because I believe that worship is a stronger currency than politics or gold, and will cross the consciousness membrane of death or the amniotic membrane of life unlike the other twain.

  89. Anno:
    I am all for that point of view. But I do not like my elected government (lol) making alliances with disgusting dictators in my name. It is not just Allah, with respect, who knows what is in Karimov’s heart. Many of Allah’s worshippers know only too painfully what that is.

  90. I’ve just put a link to this blog below the Independent’s article which is awaiting approval.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/caught-on-camera-top-lobbyists-boasting-how-they-influence-the-pm-6272760.html

  91. Thanks for clarifying Jon and ta for the timeline on comments, greatly appreciated.
    Gulnara, seven armed bodyguards in londons Oxford Street? she would have to shop at night, because such a throng of people is easily picked out and spotted.
    Maybe that means she can feel safe here in the knowledge that this Condem government is well on track in their deportation programme, ensuring that those Uzbeks who live here get observed.
    Nothing will stop these criminals paying their way into Britain, proof of 100,000 pounds and a reference from x or y and you are in the country, regardless of your record. This is why we have a massive problem with organised crime gangs from here there and everywhere, some have legitamite businesses here and launder money on a massive scale, others are less engrained and out to corner one or other lucrative market, trafficking people and drugs are just two activities, Britain is a haven for them and it is a mistake to add to the scum thats already floated here.

  92. Distubing news from Uzbekistan. Police officers have tortured and raped a young woman who allegedly had contacted opposition members in Germany while she was studying there. The woman then committed a suicide leaving a note of what had happened to her.
    News on russian website of ferghana.ru

  93. Hartley Booth: another name to watch. Sometime or current chair of British-Uzbek Society ( very much pro-Karimov). which is registered (as a company) by Patrick Newman. Also on board of London Global Energy ( another Newman creation). Rabid Thatcherite, and ex-MP for Finchley – her seat.
    .
    Both Newman and Booth feature here: Newman as director of yet another company, Anglo Kino Films. Prince Michael of Kent’s private secretary also features:
    http://www.uzbekembassy.org/e/events_at_the_embassy/4058/
    .
    Who Newman? Please see earlier comment above.

  94. It is not inconceivable that Craig is aware of Dr. Booth:
    .
    Dr Hartley Booth
    Barrister in practice 1970-1984. Senior Advisor in Margaret Thatcher’s Prime Minister’s Policy Unit. Former Chief Executive of British Urban Development and Member of Parliament for Finchley 1991-1997.
    He was a Minister of State, and part of ministerial team in the Foreign Office with special responsibility for Central Asia.
    Since 1998 Chairman of the Uzbek-British Trade & Industry Council and founder director of Rosehill Energy. PhD, Cambridge University
    Senior Advisor at Denton Wilde Sapte London
    .
    (Source, LGE website.)

  95. ….and HM Trade Envoy to Uzbekistan.
    Speech by Joy about some other country – or planet – here:
    http://ukinuzbekistan.fco.gov.uk/en/news/?view=Speech&id=22391652

  96. Do you really think our Queen will have to be so debased as to have this bitch karimova presented to her should her plans to become Uzbek Ambo to the Court of St. James become a reality. I hope that Cameron has some respect for our noble country. Or has Eton also become so dumbed down as well.

  97. A comment with a link to this blog was approved and posted below the following article.
    .
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vicious-dictatorship-which-bell-pottinger-was-prepared-to-do-business-with-6272766.html
    .
    It has since been removed. I am awaiting another in response to Anna Lomako’s comment about how good life is in Uzbekistan. It links AntiDespot’s fergana article about suspected police rape and torture leading to suicide, and another Fergana article which talks about police torture, rape with batons, enemas with hot pepper, and the usual stuff these nasty people resort to.

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