The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Straw44berry 17 Nov, 2012 – 9:33 am as you probably know I have suggested that the vehicle injury to Mollier, if there was one, was caused by the murderer’s vehicle, as indicated by the tyre tracks and body/blood locations. The fact that the French have suggested the tyre marks impossibly relate to the BMW and that Mollier’s was too, is proof positive theirs is not merely crass incompetence but intentional misrepresentation. What could be more execrable in a State law official than a betrayal of the oath to truth and justice?
Yup James 17 Nov, 2012 – 1:24 pm anything possible these days. French too. Do you have any explanation for the exclusive lateral nature of the damage on that American incident? (Easily seen on the aerial photo)
I don’t know whether or not this is conspiracy of that guy or whether it has some sane and realistic background regarding that Indianapolis blast. Please check. My time is limited this weekend. It sounds pretty interesting but it definitely needs confirmation and additional research.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQojHX7K8rk
you could be right
Kenneth Sorensen
17 Nov, 2012 – 1:41 pm
James, what other news are you referring to?
There wer so many news during the past 24 hours.
Great find olifant. We are getting closer. I was pretty sure that such an assassination will hapen only
1) Blackmailing
2) Leaking national secrets or mobster secrets or both
3) Having knowledge and proof of something what somebody shouldn’t know about
4) Having knowledge and proof that would be danger of national security
4) Working for both sides (whether in mobster gangs or else for military/intelligence services).
Nuke smuggling is usually not a reason for assassinations but rather for prison and lawsuits.
Blackmailing is a good reason and it was one of my first thoughts about a possible reason. However, I believe that was a bigger thing of blackmailing and leaking than just our al Maliki. Was Dion Longworth one of the recipients of such leaked documents? Was Patraeus informed about the apparent leaking but he perhaps didn’t do anything about that?
I am 99% sure that SAH had something todo with the 9/11 preparations (satellite and GPS stuff) and that he was about to leak that info. Who else has got that dangerous information?
I am about to work on a chart with political and military connectivity in those two events. What would happen in the USA when the 9/11 truth would get leaked by presented proof. Riots? Civil War?
sorensen,
on a political issue.
Read clever and intelligent Middle East experts opinions.
Israel isn’t interested into Gaza at all. They are interested to challenge Iran by killing Hamas leaders and bringing bllod and torture into Gaza. They anger Iran’s people and the ytry to provoke them to step in for an open support of Hamas and Palestinian people. That of course would be a declaration of war and Israel could legally retaliate with its airforce. Besides that, a first attack on Israel by Iran would challange support for Israel from the EU, UK and the USA. That#s the goal of Israel. When Israel would make the first step, then they wouldn’t get sufficient support from the UNO and from the rest of the world. However, when Iran would attack first, well ….. what do you think then would the UNO decide?
Israel will torture and provoke the Palestinians as long as Iran will not step into war to support Palestinians. That’s their political goal to find and to create their military alliance with the West versus Iran.
When Iran would be intelligent enough, then they wuld be quiet and peaceful. That would compromise Israel’s plan. However, even then if they are wise in Iran, then Israel will create some kind of “Tonkin” or “sender Gleiwitz” or “9/11” like attacks directed by Mossad so that all the world will believe that they were attacked by Iran.
Just my 2 cents.
@ James
In re the article..
“We’re investigating everything but it all takes a lot of time, trying to piece together the lives of all the people who have died, trying to understand a real motive for these killings”
Hi James no I don’t think it’s over I think since I am so so accustomed to double speak this actually means they may, if this was not staged.(.something I am in agreement)..they are taking a submarine dive dive approach. This will relieve them of making any more public statements to avoid .unless facts revealed here and several other forums and journalists looking at this..or by the witnesses not identified..forces their hands, compromising the stage created..or something real they have uncovered. So the clue spicket is shut off..but they have have the EU Justice special grant..which I am sure..takes into consideration the “long haul” in these matters.
Remember what the Millaud said before Bret was mentioned..that they will do everything necessary to protect the identity….that includes I am sure..changing any resemblance in names to the living.. to protect the children, or survivors, that would include him as well as children. That is why I think some of the names like Bretts, may be just Cyber fiction, complete with a background take us nowhere..or everywhere, to give plausibility and deniability.. to presence there..
But no..not over at all..
Till the Fat lady sings..as they say.
Have happy upcoming thanksgiving
with you and yours all
God shorten the suffering of the children everywhere
Peace
Sys
I don’t think it is a coincidence that Israel broke of the ongoing negotiations with the Hamas leader and killed him instead followed by bombing Gaza on a trumped up excuse just after the Petraeus affair.
BlueBird
I was trying…and thought I had it…tied in a few things.
Alas no.
BUT Boeing and QinetiQ and unmanned aircraft development is interesting. Knew it was coming, but boy are they advanced.
They even had B17’s unmanned in 1946 ! I didn’t know that.
Of course things have become more advanced now.
Amazingly advanced now, I should say.
The X-45 B can even do carrier landings. That’s handy !!!
QinetiQ are also big in the “sim” world.
I was trying to tie Brett in with them.
But they’re big in “war games”. Exercise Avenging Eagle and all without a plane ever being flown…but all very real.
Put all that togther QinetiQ, Boeing and Boeing Phantom Works… and it makes 9/11 simple. Even as far back in 2001.
What is interesting is QinetiQ’s treatment of it’s employees.
They aren’t a happy bunch.
All this kit… I hope they don’t want to test it.
SAH, RAL, Boscombe Down, QinetiQ.
That would be handy links.
PS. QinetiQ did well “9/12”. There TALON robots were all over Ground Zero. Didn’t know that.
@Bluebird: You’ve missed one idea in your list of possibilities. How about a coup d’etat? This has long been rumored on conspiracy sites.
Joe Land, the technology director of indy audio labs has an interesting contact:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jake-handcock/56/472/21b?trk=pub-pbmap&_mSplash=1
Explosives? ??? US Navy?
This is the address of the scene where dion longworth lived. So you can see on google maps how it looked like before.
2220 queen victoria place, indianapolis
James
Great work.
I also believe that qinetiq is a key in 9/11.
Howeve, i had only thought about the pentagon. Do you think the two airplanes …. ?
But where would be the passengers then?
Nobody answered my question before.
What would happen in usa when 9/11 were leaked? Riots? Civil war?
No americans here?
@ kathy 17 Nov, 2012 – 10:35 pm
“I don’t think it is a coincidence that Israel broke of the ongoing negotiations with the Hamas leader and killed him instead followed by bombing Gaza on a trumped up excuse just after the Petraeus affair.”
All of the “World Intelligence Community” must have known of the doings of Gen. P. and Gen A., what with unencrypted exchange of messages with their gfs, even if the NSA, CIA and FBI really were completely ignorant, or pretend to be so, of their entanglements until Mrs. K. complained to her FBI friend.
That means many countries or private groups had at least potential leverage over the two generals, if not for outright spying and blackmail, they had the power, on the basis of a tip, to derail their careers and force resignations.
This was in a article regarding Saddam’s finances, perhaps referenced here previously:
“The level of ignorance at the CIA was total, at the FBI it was beyond total. The law enforcement and intelligence community in the U.S. was behind the curve. It was of little interest to them,” he said. source: http://thekomisarscoop.com/2004/06/saddam%E2%80%99s-secret-money-laundering-trail/
Q
Do you really think that the bush/rumsfeld/kellems/romney group is trying a coup d’etat by leaking their own crimes deliberately? Possibly.
They might be happy with riots and uprise because their technology (MAARS etc) is so advance that they might call a fascist dictatorship, f*cking Obama off the white house and taking control of powers for the sake of national security. Yes, that could be part of a giant script for a new world order. 1984 would become 2012.
The “explosives” military marine guy listed above as a contact for indy audio labs technology has a contact to a swedish company in the oil industry. We need Thomas here because i dont find anything in english there about this apparent oil company that is sponsoring a swedish soccer club.
@ bluebird 17 Nov, 2012 – 11:49 pm
“James Great work. I also believe that qinetiq is a key in 9/11. Howeve, i had only thought about the pentagon. Do you think the two airplanes …. ? But where would be the passengers then?”
“Nobody answered my question before. What would happen in usa when 9/11 were leaked? Riots? Civil war? No americans here?”
The answer is: not much. The 9/11 “Truthers” along with the “Birthers” are already branded as loons, nutters, conspiracy theory fools wearing tinfoil hats, all lower-class persons living in trailer parks (caravan parks). No intellectuals or sophisticated persons associate with them or their ideas. Even if someone had “convincing proof” that 9/11 was an inside job, it would be dismissed by the media and mocked by all comedians and celebrities, who know on which side their bread is buttered.
At best, a special Red White and Blue Commission would investigate and issue a report saying, “Mistakes were made and we must take measures to prevent anything like this happening again.” Then, something totally different, but equally horrifying, happens and the next Commission investigates.
After all, what resulted from the JFK biz and subsequent investigations? Nothing much. The exception was Nixon and Watergate and that was because there was a long-standing hatred of Nixon by leftists and the left-of-center media.
RE: BBC interview with M. Maillaud (17/11/2012)
“Mr Maillaud added: Without doubt we are looking for someone who has killed before, someone who puts no value on human life.
We are not sure whether that means it’s a professional hit but if it was done on a contract it was very badly done.”
“badly done” How exactly?
1) All the targets are very dead. Assuming the children were not targets ( and why would they be tagets?)
2) The killer(s) have made a clean getaway
3) There is no DNA evidence (according to M. Maillaud)
4) The investigation seems no nearer catching them over a month later.
What more could the killer(s) have done for this to have been “well done”?
…the only way I can see it as being “badly done” is if maybe one of those killed was the “wrong person” (eg: SM mistaken for WBM)
Bluebird
2220 queen victoria place, indianapolis
Where did you get this from?
The correct address is
8409 Fieldfare Way, indianapolis, 46237
Correction:
8400 Block but not necessarily 8409
Baier lives down the street from 8349 Fieldfare Way, the home believed to be the source of an explosion that killed two people and destroyed or nearly destroyed five homes and damaged dozens of others in the Southeastside neighborhood late Saturday.
The bodies of John “Dion” Longworth, 34, and his wife, Jennifer, 36, were pulled from the wreckage of 8355 Fieldfare. Jennifer was a teacher at Southwest Elementary School in Greenwood. The coroner has yet to officially identify the bodies, but a police report confirmed the names Monday.
http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/BG/20121112/NEWS/121112012/
yea, we can all go home now, all nicely unsolved. What ever there was to solve.
Hot news in. Kevin Hurley ex- Metropolitan Police commander, on-site commentator on the Al-Hilli massacre and co-director of JK Chinese Healthcare Ltd of Claygate is elected police commissioner for Surrey:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19546116
@Straw
Jan Able, who lives nearby, said she believes the victims, a couple, lived in the home next door to where the blast occurred.
A woman in her 40s and her 12 -year-old daughter who live in the home where the blast originated were in Ohio at the time, said Able.
Able’s daughter and son-in-law live a few streets from Able, so she and her husband are staying with them.
Able said it’s a “very good neighborhood” full of professionals, including doctors, architects, nurses.
The blast originated near 8415 Fieldfare Way, according to the fire department release.
From his bedroom a block away, 47-year-old software engineer Chris Patterson felt the walls of his home shake. The force of the explosion shattered a glass sliding door in his home, he said.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-11-12/business/chi-indianapolis-explosion-two-dead-hundreds-homeless-20121111_1_investigators-probe-blast-explosion-and-fire
The two homes exploded just after 11 p.m. Saturday, sparking fires in two others and damaging at least two dozen homes on the south side of Indianapolis, said Lt. Bonnie Hensley, a spokeswoman for the Indianapolis Fire Department.
City officials inspected more than 120 homes, with 80 of them affected to one degree or another, and 31 of those with major damage, said Collins, the code enforcement official. Of those, five will have to be demolished and 26 cannot be lived in for an indefinite period, Collins said.
Wrist-watches + satellites + geopolitics
Did SAH or SM receive a mystery gift prior to Chevaline?
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/qatar-aided-attack-on-gaza.html?m=1
Below is about Scientologists. Not making a point specific to that group, just an example of what an organization or an individual with $30,000,000 of loose change can do to distort the justice system.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/282987/34/Federal-suit-Scientologist-spent-30-mil-to-cover-death
“Federal suit: Scientologist spent $30 million to cover up death of Lisa McPherson: Tampa, Florida — Blockbuster charges in a Federal Suit involving the Church of Scientology. It involves accusations of impropriety and some of the most respected members of the judiciary and legal profession.”
Posters ínterested in the background of the Petraeus affair aka the set-up and killings in France, Israel, and Belgium should look closely at those securocrats who attended the Aspen Security Conference in Colorado in late July – what was the cover for what was being planned.
Here are photographs and some identities of who attended, especially Paula Broadwell, and various still active officials like NSA Director Keith Alexander and EU counter-terrorist coordinator Gilles de Kerchove:
http://cryptome.org/2012-info/spy-flog/spy-flog.htm
Were John McLaughlin, Michael Hayden, and Negroponte representating the hardcore neocons while Paula and Michael Sheehan, the DoD’s Assistant Secretary for Special Operations and Low-Intensity Conflict were actually arranging them behind the scenes?
Who are Fred, Heather, Mariano, Scott, Bob and Socom, and what to they do?
And who are all the other unidentified attendees, and what do they do?
Looks like the Bilderberger Conference for spooks where operations are arranged behind the scenes for public consumption.
The right honourable Mr. David Irving has this
entry on his frontpage{http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/index.html}:
-very much echoing Bluebird assertions:
For BlueBird and NR. (maybe of interest to you).
I have got the hyperlinks. They make interesting reading.
I know that “unmanned” is/was being looked at, but I didn’t realise how advanced the tech was.
I have never favoured the view that the planes were “remote controlled” at “9/11”, but now I think they certainly were.
One thing I could never get my head around (as a pilot) was the fact that the aircraft involved all took off with various delays.
How did “pilot A” know when to turn that aircraft and attack.
He wouldn’t know the others were being delayed…and by how much.
Timing would be crucial. (I once did some work on this).
But if they are “remote”, then delays wouldn’t matter.
As for the “terrorist”. Yes, I believe they were onboard. But they (perhaps the majority) believed this to be “an exercise”.
Where are/were the pax ? Onboard I guess.
I doubt “they” were concerned about souls onboard.
As NR points out, “nothing would happen”. No riots, no uproar, nada, as 9/11 could never be “proved” beyond a shadow of a doubt.
But maybe it could ?
Then again….
What happened with the JFK case when the Zapruder film (released a year later) was proved to be a “doctored” ? Nothing.
One point of many, JFK’s car emerges from behind the sign and in one frame, the windscreen drops 3/4 foot.
The vehicle had stopped giving plenty of time for a single shooter to reload, aim and fire. There was no “magic bullet”.
There is more on how it was doctored, but not going through it all !
But the ensuing “conspiracy” theories made a fantastic smoke screen.
And so it is with “9/11”. Remote controlled planes !!! Madness !
But in 1946 they were flying B17’s that way.
And today with have remote fighters (not drones) landing on aircraft carriers !
Was SAH working on AirBus or on Boeing aircraft ?
Was that a “slip of the tongue” ?
Did he work on both ?
Did he make it his business to collect information when he could ?
Infact was SAH and “Martin” the target.
One cyclist looks much like another.
Or was SAH meeting “a another pilot”…and “Martin” had replaced that person.
The “stand in” would have to have flying knowledge to be convincing…after all SAH would have been clued up enough to spot a “non flyer”.
Martin was taken over by Mollier….and Mollier was accidentally killed.
Just a thought.
John andrew shirley
This is a tough guy to find.
Does anybody have a mylife account?
We could find confirmation on mylife. He has his life history there.
Who is he?
He is the guy (50) whose house was the one next to Longworth house that was hit.
His ex wife, her boyfriend and his daughter were on holiday for a few days They even had care for their cat elsewhere. Empty house.
He was born in 1961 in Texas.
He then lived in Battle Creek (MI)
The following needs confirmation from mylife since Battle Creek has no middle names and there are too many John Shirleys in the USA.
It is confirmed that he was in Battle Creek in the mid 90tees. During the Iraw wars he was nowhere to find in the USA.
There is a John Shirley who served as a 1st Ltd in the 172d Air Fighter squadron of Battle Creek (MI). No idea if that is him.
Today he is self employed and he has a company.
METROPOLITAN TELEMANAGEMENT SYSTEMS.
He lives in Noblesville near Indianapolis. Hd is 50.
We need his mylife account opened! Please help!
More: (below link confirmed) See john andrew.
{http://www.intelius.com/Find-Phone-Address/Indianapolis-IN/John-Shirley.html
No confirmation whether this is the John A Shirley from Battle Creek or later Indiana.
{http://www.darkecho.com/JohnShirley/nukes.html
http://www.vetfriends.com/veterandirectory/?member=1271574
Please help with mylife or additional search. This is a tough to find guy. The clean team did a good job. Many google links still there but content already removed or even updated.
One military site mentions John Shirley giving honour to an iraq war victim on his military base during a orbitory ceremony on the airfield back home. Google lists him as to be mentioned in a short text below a photo. Photo and website still there, but text below photo updated and no john shirley mentioned there. Google search result quote different text than airforce website!
Neighbours in Indianapolis said that there were military guys (or looked as such) in his house prior to the event.
Metropolitan Telemanagement Solutions
Of course, Israel is hoping, as it has been for years, to drag Iran into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, so it can finish the mullahs off.
What is more interesting is the scandal-ridden BBC apologizing for Lord Sacks being overheard saying what he has always been saying about Iran.
Just another red-herring to get around reporting why Israel assassinated that Hamas leader to kick another attempt off – what was clearly intended to drag in US support, and has worked like a charm.
Obama has no alternative unless he wants to go after the neocons and the securocrats for trying to kill him off at the polls aka committing treason.
Bibi couldn’t ask for better support for his re-election than that.
Washington is afraid that the USA will fall apart if it really goes after the real troublemakers.