The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
NR
They had 4 war games going on on 9/11 before the first crash.
These war games involved aircraft hitting major US buildings.
Please take 10 mins to watch this if you havent already seen it:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amULb0TX61E
The LaRouche family? WTF!
http://school.ol-g.org/school/schoolnews/eagleflyer/index.htm
Read first paragraph of the above link!
Dion Longworth died next to the LaRouche family’s house? What kind of relations are there? Name coincidence? WTF is going on in this world?
Bluebird
A. 0%
B. 10% / 20% maybe.
It’s not only hitting the target, it’s actually getting to it.
With no experience, no one sat next to you, nothing at all.
But lined directly up…on an approach, then that’ll be different, but still hard.
Forget the Pentagon.
Too many things would have to be “spot on” and happen “in your favour” for it to happen….and not in that plane.
Then there’s “ground effect”. Planes aren’t missles. They have wings.
His hands must have been like Senna’s at Monte Carlo !
I don’t even bother with “The Pentagon crash” as it’s rubbish.
And don’t forget…as well as being a damn good pilot, he was a DAMN good navigator. 10/20 miles out…and one degree off, means alot when you’re nearer.
It’s all just rubbish.
Having an emergency (so under stress) and going into an airfield you don’t know certainly makes you concentrate.
These “guys” must have (should have) been pumped ! And have got to concentrate…with no experience !
Hah. It wasnt them flying.
NR…
I don’t know about that, but there is a Prof that does “photographic analysis”. I’ll try and find him.
When the FBI worked on the film they had to alter as much as they could …including the other chap shot, infront of JFK (his head snaps around so fast, it is not possible !)
But they looked at the people in the background.
Some are looking in a different direction.
JFK comes to town….and you go down to see him, then look away !
But the funniest thing (to show they removed the car stopping) is to watch the car emerge from behind the sign post.
There must have been a pot hole or something as the drop is crazy.
Once you see it, everytime you look at the film you can’t help but laugh.
Hidden in plain sight !
James
Thanks for an honest answer. That is about the same answer what a european airbus pilot who is a friend of mine had responded to me. He was just more pessimistic than you in that he said that there might have been a marginal chance to hit the tower in a direct and straight approach. However, he said that even with simulator training he would probably need 3 approaches to hit the tower directly in its center after a manual U-turn with such a plane as the second plane did so.
There is a november 16 larouche statement. I agree on that opinion:
“… neither Obama nor Romney (are) qualified to deal with the crisis. (…) the economic policies of both Obama and Romney will make it impossible for the U.S. East Coast to recover from the devastation brought by Hurricane Sandy.”“(…) we are on the verge of events which are beyond the understanding of most people in the United States, including some leading people, who have no comprehension of what’s about to happen during the middle of this week, onward.”“(…) we’re headed toward a thermonuclear warfare. If it occurs, it will be global.” –
Full text:
http://larouchepac.com/node/24480
I found an already removed link on google with dion longworth actively linked to the libertain party. No true confirmation possible so far, just the remains on google from an updated website.
Bluebird.
That’s the thing…
Getting to the tower. Lining up. Then having a crack.
But you’ve got to get to the approach first.
If one had completely missed, then the other hitting would have “sounded” more plausible, yet still hard to do.
Given you got there, lined it up…and went for it.
Maybe that’s why they pulled “number 3” from WT7.
Three hits would just be laughable. Who knows.
I don’t even consider “The Pentagon” one was a plane.
I ignore that one.
And this is were SAH may have come in.
Only “management” with no clue, could dream up an attack like that.
BUT people bought it.
If SAH had worked with Qinetiq and therefore Boeing, he may have “seen” something.
Martin calls himself “ex RAF”. I find that odd.
He is a “Boeing man” and we have an aeronautical engineer shot dead.
Ignore Mollier. Martin and Al Hilli together seems coincidental ?
“That is about the same answer what a european airbus pilot who is a friend of mine had responded to me. He was just more pessimistic than you in that he said that there might have been a marginal chance to hit the tower in a direct and straight approach. However, he said that even with simulator training he would probably need 3 approaches to hit the tower directly in its center after a manual U-turn with such a plane as the second plane did so.”
Can you find out what airline he works for so that I make sure I never fly with them? If he can’t line up with something the size of the WTC how does he manage to find the runway when landing?
Do you think its possible that someone was flying a simulator to do it and they were actually without knowing flying the real planes remotely using the simulator?
Kempe…
There is a tendency to slow down when landing.
Of course there’s this bloke that chats away and he gives you some clues…and he’s got some mates, and they have these big lights.
Of course you can cheat and use beacons and your ILS…
…but that’s for “puffs”.
Much better to “throttle up” and “head for home”.
Of course I haven’t flown with a PIC who’s straight out of a 172 SkyHawk…. but I bet it’s fun !
…especially when you’re 10 foot of the ground, doing over 450 AND you decide to explain “ground effect” to him !
Kempe
I am no pilot. Just a bird. He told me what i wrote here. He is flying for a green irish airline that particularly uses midrange airbus planes. I ssked james because i wanted a second opinion. I am glad that James confirmed his opinion.
Kempe, usually the airport isnt in the center of manhatten, well perhaps the old hong kong airport was similar. But then, pilots did need special training and special permissions before landing there. However, the biggest plane they had trained before was a cessna! they were sitting in the cockpit of a boeing or airbus for the first time in their life. They had no tower, no wind information, no autopilot, no gps navigation, no radar airport guiding landing system, they were simply genius.
James?
@James
18 Nov, 2012 – 1:26 pm
I don’t think we can forget SM, especially if the Eagle Flyer story is about the LaRouche!
I still suspect SAH’s mother-in-law had something to do with LaRouche in Sweden, but we can’t prove that yet. Even if she didn’t, maybe somebody else did, and joined up the dots wrongly.
I think we seriously do need answers to your question, WTF is going on in our world?
@Bluebird
18 Nov, 2012 – 3:01 pm
… and their passports just happened to flutter down into Manhattan.
Yeah right!
Can you verify that LaRouche information from Eagle Flyer?
Bluebird, to me, it’s a story that “looks” good, but is rubbish.
“So called Trainee Pilots take over an airliners and fly them back to New York …and into the Twin Towers”
The story is wrong on so many levels, but people like to believe a good story.
…and “they” needed something BIG so they could have a war.
Mochyn69
I don’t want to forget Mollier, just running ideas.
One that sprang to mind (with qiniteq and Boeing) was that SAH was up that odd track to meet a “Boeing man”.
It could hav been Martin OR Martin could have been the stand in.
As one cyclist looks like another….Mollier was hit, along with SAH ?
Mochyn
I gave you a link where they said that a house of the LaRouche family was damahed. I have no clue whether or not they are related.
However, lyndon larouche was candidate in Indiana and in nearby ohio.
It will take some time to find out about this part of the larouche family hit by the devastation and perhaps lyndon larouche. Dion did apparently support tge libertain party or else he was perhaps even on the candidates list.
We need more research there. However, i agree with you. This looks like war on larouche members who obviously do know too much. I am pretty sure that this is a fight within the CIA, too.
Bluebird…
“I am pretty sure that this is a fight within the CIA, too”.
Hence the link to the recent resignations ?
Pilots have to train how to land without ILS and even today not all airports have it. Flight 175 made it’s last turn some miles from Manhatten and would’ve had plenty of time to line up with the WTC which, at the low altitude they were at, would’ve been silhouetted against the sky and unmissable even by an inexperienced pilot.
Meanwhile …
1622: The Palestinian Ma’an news agency now reports that 11 people were killed in the Israeli air strike on Hamas man Mohamed Dalou’s home. Four of the dead were children and four were women, it reports.
Hi all, am new here and just posting a few thoughs, Have been reading this site for the last 2 months (getting obsessive) and also Marilyn site. Keep up the great work. Hope you dont mind me having a few thoughts here.
When Kadhem Al Hilli died, in Spain, he was been looked after (though in a nursing home) by a close Iraqi friend. Now as Kadhem had Parkinsons he would have needed assistance with his banking arrangements, who better than a fellow Iraqi “minder”.
I read somewhere, though can not now find the link, that the said minder, Alla Hussein Mohammed, who also signed death certificate, was involved with a money transfer company. I this right.
Could that be the connection with the credit card scamming.
Also, what was the “minders” Iraqi background.
There have also been some suggestions that Saads mother in law was Iranian and not Iraqi. Has this been finally sorted one way or the other.
Look forward with interest to your ideas. Attached link to minder reference.
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2012/09/20/costa-link-to-french-alps-murders/
Alla Hussein Mohamed, from Fuengirola, who kept a close eye on the ageing Iraqi in the years before his death.
Kempe…
“…at the low altitude”.
“….even by an inexperienced pilot”.
The plane got to that altitude. It wasn’t at altitude.
BIG difference.
Your theory is “he” got to that altitude AND spotted “his” target!
That was either a very, very, very experienced pilot doing that, that day…or he got very, very, very lucky !
That’s one hell of a sink rate. Alarms must have been ringing like crazy. A sink rate on something that size ? Because he MUST have been way over that.
Sorry,forgot the reference:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20383756
Kempe
Even as an experienced pilot when manually flying your own plane without knowing any parameters such like wind speed and wind directions, you would be busy enough to keep the correct altitude during an U turn.
The impact was finished immediately after they had finished the U turn. The plane still had a U turn angle while impacting into the tower ( plane). Do that as an experienced pilot and i shall applaud your perfection. Do that as somebody who doesnt know that plane at all and i get suspicious.
My friend said that he could probably hit the building, though not necessarily in its centre. Perhaps crashing into with one wing or in a 45 degree angle but not center in a 90 degree angle. That would be pure luck without having any routine with that difficult approach and no parameters. That correlates with what james said.20%.
But they are pilots with lots of experience. The arabs had no experience at all plus a hell of stress altogether.
God must have been in control of their planes, or was it QinetiQ?
Juno
I already solved tgat riddle with hussein alla mohammad.
He was member of world money trans pago SA.
http://Www.moneytrans.eu
That is owned by a london 155 notting hill gate company. The malaga branch had name links to scamming (kibouri) within its members. Search for kibouri scammer.
It isnt unlikely that the nigerian had links to 155 notting hill gate.
However, he has no links to the killings. Just a rat who tried to get his share.
Bluebird..
I’ll add to my post (at 4.47) just above yours.
He made a turn…and climbed.
Turn..and your nose drops, so this guy has added power.
Now he has to lose that (which he doesn’t), but descends to the tower.
He is powering downwards. And spots (and aims) at his target.
And hits it.
“God must have been in control of their planes, or was it QinetiQ?”
I have to agree there.
Thanks Bluebird,
But to belabour the point for a moment, have there been any other details about Alla Hussein Mohammed and his Iraqi connections, and the Saddam money trail.
I do not think the scammer is involved directly with the murder, though I do beleive the Iraqi money is linked. i.e. follow the money. An no better person to know all the details would be Kadhems Iraqi friend. Does that make sense.
“My friend said that he could probably hit the building, though not necessarily in its centre. Perhaps crashing into with one wing or in a 45 degree angle but not center in a 90 degree angle. ”
Well fine because Flight 175 didn’t hit dead centre and did have a significant degree of roll (as did the other aircraft) as this picture of the scar shows.
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/spencer06/wtc2scar.jpg
Glad we all agree.
Juno
We don’t know about any money trails there. However, their Malaga business is interesting. Almost all if not all of their moneytrans company owners in Malaga are Arabs or Africans.
Some of them are related to a Cargo company at Malaga Airport. Again, only Arab and/or African names at that Malaga airport Cargo listed there. God knows what goods they had shipped from Malaga airport with their own Cargo and only God knows what kind of money was sent thorugh their moneytrans company. We don’t know, and honestly, I really don’t want to know about that money ….
I just know that the ownership of that international moneytrans company (it’s like western union) is sitting in London, 155, Notting Hill Gate. Plus we know from other research here that “55” addresses in London, perhaps by coincidence, are stinking fishy. “55” numbers are always having a smell of intelligence service companies …..
Mochyn,
as good as I could do that, I did collect the house owners data of the Dion Longworth scene below. The LaRouche family lives in Flicker Court, that is one of the houses far opposite of that scene. I listed the houses of Moncy Shirley and Dion Longworth with their complete data. I guess that the house’s value isn’t correct as per yet.
I could find something about Ninette LaRouche bt there was nothing regarding Andrew O LaRouche. However, I didn’t find any significant links, if any at all, to the Lyndon H LaRouche family. There is no info regarding Andrew LaRouche on the web at all, but I didn’t search too long.
8325 Flicker Court ANDREW O LAROUCHE and Ninette J Larouche
https://mobile.twitter.com/WorkingMomsNtwk
http://www.ninalarouche.me/
8306 Fieldfare Way ABIGAIL G HILGENDORF
8307 Fieldfare Way GARRETT R SCHOUT
8312 Fieldfare Way JUDITH E GARRABRANT
8313 Fieldfare Way RYAN W COX & ANDREA N COX
8318 Fieldfare Way JENNIFER J PITCHER
8319 Fieldfare Way MARK ALLEN KARNES
8324 Fieldfare Way KYLE S SCHEATZLE
8325 Fieldfare Way EDGAR ALBERTO SALAS
8330 Fieldfare Way STEVEN R SMITH & DANA M SMITH
8331 Fieldfare Way CHAD A JACKSON & ABBY N JACKSON
8336 Fieldfare Way DALE A BAIER & MAVLES A BAIER
8337 Fieldfare Way PATRICK T CROSLEY
8342 Fieldfare Way LANCE STEVEN GREGOIRE
8343 Fieldfare Way KATHY FRAZIER
8348 Fieldfare Way TONY BURNETT & LAURI BURNETT
8349 Fieldfare Way R SHIRLEY MONSERRATE
Total land value: $25,000
Total improvements value: $181,400
Residential improvements value: $181,400
Dwelling value: $181,400
Homesite value: $25,030
Total assessed value for property: $206,400
Water: no
Sewer: no
Gas: no
Electricty: no
Date of current appraisal: 07/27/2007
Read more: {http://www.city-data.com/marion-county/F/Fieldfare-Way-2.html#ixzz2CbnSA9Db
8354 Fieldfare Way DANIEL L ABLE
Total land value: $23,700
Total improvements value: $140,800
Residential improvements value: $140,800
Dwelling value: $140,800
Homesite value: $23,660
Total assessed value for property: $164,500
Water: no
Sewer: no
Gas: no
Electricty: no
Date of current appraisal: 07/27/2007
Read more: {http://www.city-data.com/marion-county/F/Fieldfare-Way-2.html#ixzz2CbnXYKI3
8355 Fieldfare Way JOHN D LONGWORTH
Owner: JOHN D LONGWORTH
Total land value: $25,000
Total improvements value: $164,400
Residential improvements value: $164,400
Dwelling value: $164,400
Homesite value: $25,030
Total assessed value for property: $189,400
Water: no
Sewer: no
Gas: no
Electricty: no
Date of current appraisal: 07/27/2007
Read more: {http://www.city-data.com/marion-county/F/Fieldfare-Way-2.html#ixzz2CbncLCqE
8403 Fieldfare Way DAVID R HANSON
8406 Fieldfare Way NICK M HLAVATY
8409 Fieldfare Way DEAN W MOLL
8415 Fieldfare Way ROBERT L MITCHELL
LATEST! Now here’s an interesting tit=bit – remember you read it here first.
I have just learned via Switz and France that Mollier’s father was applying for British citizenship!!!!!