The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Oops! Yup sorry there James 19 Nov, 2012 – 4:34 pm. Yea a senior moment there but you get the drift. WBM of course not SAH!
Tim K
If SAH had found SM infront of the car… WBM and PD would saying OMG …or WTF !
Olifant
19 Nov, 2012 – 4:45 pm it comes from a chap in Geneva who engaged in detail discussion about the likelihood of the firearm as described. He said a French friend had reported Mollier’s father had applied for British citizenship. I can’t vouch for it obviously. I agree it sounds absurd. Is there any way of checking public records on applications. No doubt if there is you and BB will be on to it.
Respect to you researchers out there.
Straw…said
2. There were numerous health issues in a large area around the site as tracked by someone who was listening to the 911 calls. Those issues included difficulty breathing, heart attacks and “mental problems”.
I think…
That seems quite normal for America.
Infact as demographics go, I think that’s spot on.
Other explosions near Indianapolis:-
1st comment:-
The Mexican restaurant was just a front for clandestine CIA operations. THE S IS NOW HTF. All these black projects are been taken down one by one by the guardian aliens of galactic federation…
http://beforeitsnews.com/strange/2012/11/another-building-explodes-in-indiana-3-in-less-than-a-week-2445348.html
Q,
the Hudson institute?
This is the senior vice president:
http://www.hudson.org/learn/index.cfm?fuseaction=staff_bio&eid=LewisLibby
this is the chief operating officer!!
http://www.hudson.org/learn/index.cfm?fuseaction=staff_bio&eid=WeinKenn
Weinstein has served on numerous bipartisan commissions and task forces, including the Bipartisan Policy Center’s Iran Task Force co-chaired by former senators Dan Coats and Charles Robb, and the Guiding Coalition of the Project on National Security Reform.
He graduated from the University of Chicago ….
(oops, too many Chicao University guys close to Dion Longford …..)
Weinstein, a frequent guest on French television and radio, has served as in-studio commentator for live French-language coverage of American congressional and presidential elections since 1996.
James 5.37
OOPS!
I copied from the comments on Felix’s link.
The I at the start of my 5.21 post was not me saying that.
On a serious note…
Strawberry, did anyone mention on that chatroom how much fracking is being done locally ?
Looking at the scene, it doesn’t seem like a “car bomb” has exploded outside the house, more that it is a “internal” explosion.
If that is so, I can not imagine a build up of gas over a short period would cause such damage.
Do they “flavour” the domestic gas in the U.S. ? As in give it a “smell” ?
However, if there is local fracking, then I guess there could be a build up …and a leak from…the underground water table, forcing the gas into either the water supply..or via the water system.
Don’t know much about fracking…only that guy that could ignite his water supply with a match ! Think it’s on YouTube somewhere.
This is was LaRouche is saying about the Hudson institute. He isn’t in favour for them:
“This occult freemasonic conspiracy, is found among both nominally left-wing and also extreme right-wing factions such as the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, the Mont Pelerin Society, and American Enterprise Institute and Hudson Institute, and the so-called integrist far right inside the Catholic clergy.”
Glenn O. (mrs. Fraziers’ boyfriend?), the neighbour on the right side of Mrs. Shirley’s house, is a freemason (see above). I did look up google street view and his house is (was) indeed looking like this were a small freemason church. And opposite of that explosion centre Shirley house we have somebody working for the Indiana government with a contact to the Hudson institute and we have to LaRouche guys living in that same nighbourhood, too. I must say, that this is a pretty strange neighbourhood. Oh yes, I forgot that apparent German(!) scammer who was living in that Shirley house (for how long? for 1 week?).
This business of furnaces and explosions in Indiana drew me here:
http://www.yasni.com/ext.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prweb.com%2Freleases%2Fserviceexperts%2Fofindianapolis%2Fprweb3413174.htm&name=Dotsie+Rybolt+Longworth&cat=filter&showads=c
How many Dotsie Longworths can there be in Indiana? Particularly odd that this one is related to a mechanical engineer who lived in Florida. Also odd about the furnace company. A Dotsie Longworth was mentioned in Dion Longworth’s obituary as the partner of his father.
No idea if this is her again:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dotsie-longworth/11/aa5/b34
http://www.leppertmortuary.com/GuestBookView.aspx?ID=1411
http://www.leppertmortuary.com/services.aspx?ID=1411
http://www.tributes.com/show/David-Lowden-Holmes-90329907
Also found a David Lowden Holmes in connection with Mystic Tie Masonic. I have no idea if this is the person above:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-holmes/43/b99/296
Olifant
19 Nov, 2012 – 4:46 pm this Lebanon (?) source is most interesting. It is the first as far as I am aware that suggests a viable hypothesis for the murders. It appears to be an authentic Arab source. It also gives a few insights that ring true regarding SAH’s father and uncle.
We know the torture methods applied by Saadam H and he would have had had no compunction to use them against the Al Hilli’s to gain what information he could. Remember there were scores to settle as Hashim had been instrumental in gaoling SH after his involvement in the failed assassination attempt on the PM in 1958(?) foloowing which he gets a senior sinicure in London.
It sounds after his treatment, which if it conformed to Iraqi tradition would have included savage beatings and electric shock plus other abuse, left him partly paralysed when he returned to London. No wonder Kadim wanted to get out of there, tortured or not. Given SH’s CIA link one wonders if the Al Hilli’s were friends or foes to both Iraq and USA subsequently.
Now how this plays out in SAH’s psychi is anybody’s guess. He had reason to hate both America and Britain for towing the invasion line, yet probably working for British Intelligence. Hated Israel by all accounts yet would have had no love lost for Sunni enemies back home. Were there scores to settle against SH’s extended family?
All this suggests he might have been in favour with the current Shia leaders in Iraq now and may have had a natural tendency to do all he could to reduce Israel’s stated intention to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities. On the other hand he does not appear to be devotely Muslim does he, so we cannot be sure whether he was fore or against the current Iranian regime.
Had he been long enough in the UK to espouse democracy and personal freedom? Could he therefore have tread a central path at the direction of British Intelligence, to neutralise the Israeli threat, whilst supporting those in Iran who wished for a less theocratic/totalitarian regime?
olifant
re: http://www.aklamkom.com
Their server is in Germany (Nuremberg) and the domain is registered with a domain registry in the USA but data kept secret.
Could you please give us a hint about what we would see on that website? It’s all Arabic ….
The Rybolt surname brings up a number of patents relation to arc welding, etc.:
http://www.google.com/patents/US1199045
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2072590.html
http://www.archpatent.com/patents/2734116
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&ved=0CB8QFjAAOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fpatents%2FUS1999299.pdf&ei=SneqUPCSCInUigLK8oCgCA&usg=AFQjCNFMRxugloUn8FTk1R0nez1D8COoJA&cad=rja
The Rybolt family had an Ora in Indiana.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=allgs&gsln=Rybolt&gspl=25&gss=seo&ghc=20
David Gill (that’s the guy who is called to cooperate with Mark Ray Leonard, the boyriend of Moncy Shirley.
I found a David Gill from Indianapolis. Not 100% sure whether that is THE guy.
However, look what he is trained for:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/david-gill/11/bb1/835
Trained in electronics, pneumatics, hydraulics, by SAC,USAF for airborne missile diagnosis and repair. May look to retrain to renewable energy installation and repair/maintence
Holy Bird-Sh****ttt !!!
Here you can see pictures of Mark R. Leonhard plus his dating ad text. Scroll down to the bottom of that site.
http://getthetruthout.icyboards.net/showthread.php?tid=3033&page=11
Fracking in Indiana?
http://www.wibc.com/news/story.aspx?ID=1731871
Dr. Paul Doss, Professor of Geology at the University of Southern Indiana, says there is some fracking being done in Indiana on a smaller scale than places like Texas, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.
I’m personally pretty convinced WBM (I must be careful over the abbreviations!) was far from the “innocent bystander” and “heroic figure” as initially portrayed by the French. It’s possible that Maillaud was initially out of the loop and under this impression initially, but he can be in no doubt now. He must be aware of his invidious position following assiduously as he has from the first, orders from above.
What is there to support the hunch that WBM was working for the British Secret Service? It certainly has never been confirmed either by Martin or the British Government but this is hardly surprising. So why an asset?
First the way he was treated by the French who promoted not only innocence but heroism before they could have possibly excluded him from suspicion as the last and only witness. If I am right this was also before they had even interviewed him properly! Then only a couple of days later they raise no objection to him leaving the country. This is very unusual for any country and there are many cases of foreign jurisdictions not only insisting innocent parties remaining but placed under arrest. The crime took place on Wed 5th. He had come back to GB (presumably for a full debrief and agreed statement) and was back again by the weekend for a reconstruction with PD on Sunday 9th. His travel arrangements which have never been revealed, would probably be conclusive as to Government support.
(Are flight/ferry records open to search you computer geeks?)
Then there are the “coincidences” of timings and not just coming on the scene first. It would seem his time in France approximates to the Al Hilli’s. (Do we actually know his precise arrival time and whether correlates?) He also sets off on his fateful bike ride at precisely the same time as Mollier and despite different locations and distances arrive within minutes of one another. We still do not know his precise role there. Without weapon he wouldn’t be much use as minder. Observer? How would that work? A cyclist could not dismount and join strangers without creating curiosity or suspicion in plotters. Anyway the metalled road ended there and its doubful he would have gone much further. It suggests to me that he may have intended to join in their discussion in some way.
Then there are the many strange and inexplicable actions and the many holes in his version of the story. Perhaps one might explain his reported attempt to tend to Zainab and even turn off the engine. On the other hand an innocent would not have interfered with Mollier’s body in such a obvious way or lied about what he found. Nor would he have searched the body. A genuine innocent would probably opened at least the smashed door to check for life of the passengers – even more likely if he was an innocent and extensively trained individual. There again what average person would not be moved by the condition of a little girl who was badly injured. You might leave her once to get help and raise the alarm, but would you leave her a second time, alone and vulnerable. His main motivations at this stage were he admits fear and the need to get back home!
To these we can add his unusual business address with all its connotations, his specialist aeronautic and Boeing connections. The way his BBC/Sky interview was orchestrated, not as one might expect in a studio or on location but spookily in some subterranean nondescript room and his subsequent disappearance from public view. The disparity between his scripted story and the state described by Didierjean is suspect and is replicated to a degree by is facial expression as he enters the room with that of a relaxed wholly credible witness during the interview.
There is as far as know no hard documentary evidence that WBM worked for British Intelligence and no doubt it would be denied. We are therefore dependent on circumstantial evidence. None of these circumstances on there own would prove or even support the thesis he was but taken altogether the inference becomes, I believe, irresistable.
Now if it was here, Louisiana:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcbLvO0-huQ
1.5 Million barrels of liquid butane is = approx 100 Hiroshima’s
@Bluebird 5:44 pm: Hudson Institute hired Wolfowitz to speak:
http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/wolfowitz_paul
*their own
Bluebird Google translator. Version: 7.4.3230.2052/en (ADRA) Notifier Version: 5.7.7529.1424 but transl a bit bumpy!
Sometimes its possible to identify an Arabic word if its a heading or first in a paragraph then easy to identify and copy name or word (using arabic version) for new search. Letter / word order ‘in reverse’, right to left, and scroll bar on left side – confusing. Word or Craigmurray sometimes seems to paste words and phrases wrong way round as a mirror image.
Seems to be a rich site. think its pro Free Syria. Not sure on this….. Web trafic says its 60% traffic from Syria and a lot from Saudi. http://www.markosweb.com/www/aklamkom.com/
Straw44berry
19 Nov, 2012 – 5:21 pm in your discussions did anyone mention land fill? As you know if building takes place over historic land fill producing methane this can be dangerous. The health effects can sometimes be an indicator that there can be a problem in that area.
@BB: http://www.hudson.org/learn/index.cfm?fuseaction=staff_bio&eid=LewisLibby
Anyone in Indianapolis or area who might have Cheney/Homeland Security contacts?
Straw
1.5 Million barrels of liquid butane is = approx 100 Hiroshima’s
Now I didn’t know that.
That’s pretty “pure” stuff.
The Rybolt name around Indianapolis sure has some interesting connections:
http://www.compositesworld.com/suppliers/applcom/DIR
http://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreyrybolt
Rods, tubes, pressure vessels, aerospace, etc. A person with the same name holds patents in medical devices.
Dotsie (Rybolt) Longworth was listed in Dion Longworth’s obituary.
olifant
quote:
re the report of bribe by al Hilli against Maliki: Used arabic script (via Google translate)for Saad al Hilli Faris al Hilli & searched in google.ae(uae), .jo (rdan), .lb(enanon), .iq(iraq) It was in “07-09-2012, 11:13 pm Forum: Pen political dialogue > pen political dialogue” on http://www.aklamkom.com, as per web address above, which seems to be from Lebanon.
no way to find that. I searched that forum for an entry 07-09-2012, 11:13 pm and I had even searched for 09-07-2012. However, no entry 11:13 pm there. Are you sure that you printed the correct date? Could you please give a direct hyperlink? would be much easier for us. Thank you.
And UAV: http://www.appliedcomposites.com/about/staff/
Dassault and Boeing mentioned here, etc.:
http://www.appliedcomposites.com/military-and-uav/certifications/
http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indianas-defense-industry-braces-fiscal-cliff-40233/
“For example, he says, the group is promoting the state’s military bases as places where companies that develop unmanned drones can test their new products. Konkler says if Indiana can partner with private companies its bases will have a stable revenue stream despite federal budget cuts.”
I wouldn’t rule out a connection between the Indiana explosion and any of the companies, government entities or individuals at Chevaline:
http://wfpl.org/post/unmanned-drones-be-tested-indiana-airspace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2efAKyq9ARc
Just a few of the aerospace and defence activities in Indiana:
http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/news130083.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/news118967.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsrolls-royce-heete-testing/
http://my.firedoglake.com/dougmartin/2010/06/17/indiana-drones-and-the-temples-of-doom-the-hoosier-war-machine/
Purdue Research Park is where Dion Longworth worked.