The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@James
It makes me wonder why he took the bike as he was supposed to have a bad back and space must have been a problem as you say .
As a camper also pointed out on another site,D.I. I think , moving campsite is not as easy as it sounds as everything has to be packed up and stashed just to move a short way and unpack it all again.
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-indianapolis-explosion-authorities-question-two-men-serve-search-warrants-in-explosion-20121120,0,7944679.column
more about the custody and search warrant of Bob Leonard in the Longworth case. Including video.
@Q, James, look at that, too!
I knew that the whole thing is about the 9/11 fraud:
Look at this: Lakeland!
Flight trainingIn March 2000, Mohamed Atta contacted the Academy of Lakeland in Florida, via e-mail, inquiring about flight training, “Dear sir, we are a small group of young men from different Arab countries. Now we are living in Germany since a while for study purposes. We would like to start training for the career of airline professional pilots. In this field we haven’t yet any knowledge but we are ready to undergo an intensive training program (up to ATP and eventually higher).” He sent 50-60 similar e-mails to other flight training schools in the United States.[20]
On May 18, 2000, Atta applied for and received a U.S. visa.[20] After obtaining his visa, Atta traveled to Prague before going to the United States. Atta, along with Marwan al-Shehhi arrived in Venice, Florida, and visited Huffman Aviation to “check out the facility.” They explained that “they came from a flight school in the area, they were not happy and they were looking for another flight school”.[27] By December, Atta and al-Shehhi left Huffman Aviation, and on December 21, Atta received a pilot license.[28]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning_of_the_September_11_attacks
And now look at that Flight instructer list for Lakeland
Steven B. Schubert
https://www.gleim.com/aviation/directories/index.php?avTab=cfi&search=us&selectCity=Lakeland&cityCount=140&selectState=FL#avTab%3Dcfi
Q, and look at that.
Mr. HILLIard. I do hope that his name is just a bad coincidence.
Gigantic heroin drug smuggling in the same flight school where Atta&Co. were trained. Never heard about that before.
http://www.madcowprod.com/issue32.html
James
21 Nov, 2012 – 1:26 am THE GREEN 4X4 GOING UP OR COMING DOWN?
It is a question I raised on Huffington post at the beginning of this saga. Of course it has considerable importance both as to the credibility of witnesses and sequence of events. Again the French authorities appear to be all over the place with this, first placing considerable stress on it then surprise surprise “don’t worry about the Green 4×4 – it was a Forestry vehicle.”!!!
I said on Huffington Post 19:08 on 15/09/2012
“Second, Mr. Martin reports the green four wheel drive vehicle plus motor cycle passing him. In one case it is reported “French detectives were last night hunting the driver of a green 4×4 vehicle and a motorcyclist seen speeding TOWARDS the murder scene shortly before the massacre was discovered.” Another says “The witness, who is a former RAF man, was cycling on the heavily forested road south of Chevaline on his mountain bike, when he was OVERTAKEN at speed by a green 4×4 vehicle and a motorcyclist”. However, later it is reported “the unidentified RAF officer told police that he had seen a dark green four-wheel drive vehicle and a motorbike COMING DOWN the hill shortly before he arrived on the scene”.
These quotes were taken from various newspaper sourse reporting Mr Maillaud’s words and they all the same. So By Donna Bowater, Henry Samuel and Bruno Waterfield in the Daily Telegraph on the 7th September write:
“A British cyclist, who is a former RAF serviceman, has told police he saw a green four-wheel drive car and a motorbike speeding TOWARDS the scene before he arrived, police said today.”
Peter Allen,in the Telegraph from Paris on the 15th October (i.e. he was there) writes the following
“Mr Maillaud renewed his appeal for the driver of a green 4×4 vehicle seen speeding TOWARDS the scene by Mr Martin to come forward, suggesting the car might have belonged to the national forestry office. Mr Maillaud added: “It’s a theory but there is no certainty.”
NB More than a month after the event and WBM’s televised account, the Green 4×4 is still going TOWARDS the crime scene.
Peter Allen this time writing in the Daily Mail on the 14th 18:50, 14 October 2012 | UPDATED: 01:17, 15 October 2012 makes the same point:
“Mr Maillaud today renewed his appeal for the driver of a green 4×4 vehicle seen speeding towards the scene by Mr Martin to come forward, suggesting the car might have belonged to the national forestry office, the ONF. But Mr Maillaid added: ‘It’s a theory but there is no certainty.’”
We know of the white Peugeot 306 witnessed driving dangerously from the scene but on but on the 15th September Adrian Shaw in the Mirror writes :
“Murder squad detectives are hunting a car with UK number plates seen speeding away from the scene of the Alps massacre.French police said yesterday that a witness saw a dark Mitsubishi Pajero 4×4 being driven by a nervous-looking man.
The car was spotted near the village of Chevaline in eastern France where three members of a British family were executed. It was then seen being driven along the A39 motorway towards the city of Lyon. A police source said yesterday: “A witness says the driver had darkish skin and looked nervous. It is crucial we find this car.”
We can only presume they are not confusing the two vehicles or drivers. As far as I know this British plated car has never been located. If British plated we assume RHD. Then we have the green Pajero 4×4 co-incidentally and mysteriously crashing on the 29th September, never even crossing the Gendarme mind that this might be of interest!
On the other hand the white Peogeot has been traced and excluded from the investigation but absolutely no information on the driver, where he had been or why he thought it necessary to nearly kill a female cylist in his haste to get out of there.
Anyway enough here to establish the official story went up and down the combe passing WBM TWICE. Why he did not make this point explicitly in his TV interview only he knows. If it was the Pajero it is even more surprising he did not notice either the obvious British plates or that it was presumably RHD. Of course if this latter ino is true, the British are arguably implicated more. So many IFS!
Apologies for typo’s there. No excuse I know but the time!
Friday, November 9, 2012: General David Petraeus, CIA director and Stanley McChrystal’s replacement in Afghanistan, resigns, citing an affair:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/us/citing-affair-petraeus-resigns-as-cia-director.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Petraeus is also known for his role in Iraq:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/gen-david-petraeus-soldier-scholar-statesman-17683077#.UK0y_4awVPQ
Friday, November 9, 2012: Christopher Kubasik of Lockheed Martin resigns, citing an affair:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324894104578109344076574924.html
“The announcement from the Pentagon’s biggest supplier came just hours after Washington was rocked by the surprise resignation of General David Petraeus as director of the Central Intelligence Agency after admitting an extramarital affair….
Mr. Stevens said the company was not “in crisis,” but the management upheaval comes as it and other defense contractors are trying to adjust to looming Pentagon budget cuts.”
Saturday, November 10, 2012: Explosion in Indianapolis kills engineer Dion Longworth and his wife, Jennifer.
Indiana is a growing base for military suppliers, many of them small upstarts. Indiana is becoming known for its drone technology.
http://www.nuvo.net/indianapolis/indiana-connections-to-drone-warfare-technology/Content?oid=1343970#.UK0z_4awVPQ
Dion story,
Are they heading for the following Fairytale?
Brother Bob(from the mobile home/white trash) got some cheap/stolen Propane tanks, and they were sitting safely in the van outside his brothers house. Until he realised they had gone away, I know he thought I’ll put the van for safekeeping in their garage.
Somehow the van caught fire and when the temperature was high enough all the propane tanks went up together decimating the neighbourhood.
😉 Well, Bluebird, this has been another interesting day.
It would be interesting to know which companies Steven B. Schubert worked for and when. Somehow, I think the Scott Kelley lawsuit will be settled out of court. Kelley’s past record seems impeccable, except for this lawsuit with the family of the now-deceased pilot and flight instructor from Lakeland, Florida.
New angle pic of the crime scene along with a desperate try for headlines (in reference to M. Maillaud’s last comment, that the killer must have killed before.. )
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/faits-divers/20121121.OBS0072/tuerie-de-chevaline-une-nouvelle-piste.html
… but he forgot to tell that he’s supposed to have a faible for old weappons. So, at least the MSM’s have got some titbits and the hunt is on for any retro-killer(s) on the run??
Q,
Are we surprised?
quote from your first link above:
During the invasion of Iraq in 2003, he (Patraeus) led the 101st Airborne Division across the desert and won acclaim for stabilizing a sector of northern Iraq that later became a stronghold of al-Qaida’s Iraq affiliate.
They should have said …. : …..that later became a stronghold of al-CAIda’s Iraq affiliate.
@Straw: And the labels from the tanks will have fallen from the sky, showing quite clearly that Bubba kept them after the 10-year expiry date. This will be confirmed by propane expert Hank Hill.
Or Bubba hauled the tanks into the garage because he felt a nip in the air, and wanted to BBQ some ribs in comfort, with the garage doors closed.
Tim
Well !
What more can be said.
The car is going DOWN the hill one minute….
And then it’s going UP the hill.
Did the car then pass him goung up and then down.
Or just going up
Or as he “claimed” only coming down.
A complete mystery. One thing that was also said by the police, that they were searching for “the motorbike” but then they gave the area they were searching…and that was in the over the other side of the pass. not in the area down the pass, where you would expect them to bo looking !
If the vehicle(s) passed WMB, then they would have (I assume) also passed SM. When SM arrived and was shot, they would have known another cyclist would be arriving soon.
Why didn’t they wait and ambush WBM ? Or shoot him as they passby ?
That’s IF they did passby him again !
Crazy or what !
straw,
I seriously bet that Mark Leonard, Bob Leonard and Moncy Shirley might possibly commit suicide soon due to high psychological pressure by the Indianapolis media and journalists and due to the neightbours who are pointing fingers at them, and that causes depression. CO-poisoning or something similar. Perhaps I am wrong and there might be a traffic accident or an unfortunate accident while they’re swimming or rowing. They should also avoid mountains.
“Rich Snyder at 11:26 AM November 21, 2012
Sounds like investigators are honing in on those who are guilty – bunch of white trash messed up a nice neighborhood and killed two good people.”
From: http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-indianapolis-explosion-authorities-question-two-men-serve-search-warrants-in-explosion-20121120,0,7944679.column
Yep, the dang trailer trash again!
James,
do you have better access than us to older flight instructor lists in Florida for looking up where exactly Steven B. Schubert had worked in 2001 ?
Interestingly there are no entries in ancestry.com about that guy. No birth, no death. no nothing. It looks like as if that guy did never exist in the USA. However, he died there and he worked there. Nada!
@BB: I wonder if the Schubert family are taking precautions. Maybe they should.
@BB: Don’t forget that going for walks is also particularly dangerous. Power augers should never be taken on winter walks, as that inevitably leads to being chased by wolves onto a river, whereupon it will take several minutes to drill through the ice to escape, in order to drown via hypothermia.
Q
That’s what I have found regarding Schubert:
http://www.ussearch.com/consumer/people-search/names/fl+lakeland/steven/schubert.html
Steven Brian Schubert
Alias:
Steve Schubert
lived in:
Pittsburgh (PA)
Fort Lauderdale (FL)
Marrero (IA)
Dayton (OH)
Coraopolis (PA)
Mc Kees Rocks (PA)
Hollywood (FL)
Lakeland (FL)
Relatives:
Margaret Schubert
Dalis Schubert
Ronald Schubert
Alan Schubert
Marcel Schubert
Albert Schubert
Joan Schubert
@ Shelock
“- the 3d camera- can the scan be taken even in the night?”
Yes, the light – infrared – is coming from the laser. The one I saw the laser beam is scanned over the scene using spinning mirrors, and the return light recorded by a special digital camera.
The companies sell different types, some designed to record large scenes such as an open pit mine, and they advertised a special hi resolution one for forensic work.
@BB: This might be him:
http://www.death-record.com/l/108675606/Steven-B-Schubert
Pilots tend to move around a lot, especially if they work for small companies.
Even the lawyer in the Steven B. Schubert lawsuit has a 9/11 connection:
http://www.grossmanroth.com/our-team/andrew-b-yaffa/
“He provided pro bono legal care to victim families of the September 11th attacks through Trial Lawyers Care, the largest pro bono legal services program in history. His actions prompted the Association of Trial Lawyers of America to honor Andy with a Certificate of Appreciation.”
Q
here is the obituary of Mr. Schubert
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/postgazette/obituary.aspx?n=steven-brian-schubert&pid=145405192#fbLoggedOut
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/PilotCommunicationNet/E-CK-iVU8g0
@Tim V 21 Nov, 2012 – 1:22 pm
@Sys 21 Nov, 2012 – 12:48 am
“Binney details how the top-secret surveillance program, the scope of which has never been made public, can track electronic activities—phone calls, emails, banking and travel records, social media—and map them to collect “all the attributes that any individual has” in every type of activity and build a profile based on that data.
“So that now I can pull your entire life together from all those domains and map it out and show your entire life over time,” Binney says.”
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-whistleblower-william-binney-explains-nsa-surveillance-2012-8#ixzz2CrWPxeep”
So, if they wanted to reveal it, the big spy agencies could tell us where everyone was and what they were doing in a major crime. Yet they have us believe they know nothing of top generals’ emails to their girls or Bradley Manning openly confessing on AOL IM. Ha Ha!
Google & FaceBook and their advertising partners know almost as much. Just as in the US at least the mobile phone companies sell to police (and others probably) location info and numbers called of mobile phones (but supposedly not the call content [don’t know about txts]) for two or three dollars each inquiry, and make a nice profit from the service.
TROY
will definitely LOVE this.
A guy called
Jon Herskowitz
from Pinecrest (FL) is on the facebook friends list of 9/11 charity star Mr. Yaffa. However, I believe that there are 10.000 Herskowitz in the USA.
Mr. Yaffa has many friends from Israel:
For instance obviously a relative of him, Shimon Yaffa from Beit-Shemesh, Yerushalayim, Israel.
Bluebird…
Formely Delta. He must have retired.
Or laid off ! Post 9/11 airlines were hit pretty bad.
@ bluebird
“In fact, this is a fight for money with money used to bribe leaders and parties.”
Your comments are as good an analysis of geopolitics as I’ve seen.
I was joking on MZT when the current Middle East crisis started, that it would end in 3 week with both sides in the Rose Garden and Prez O. handing each side multi-billions to make nice. I said he should give them their rewards in those giant checks like they present at surfing contests.
It happened faster than 3 weeks, luckily just in time so we don’t have more dead baby pics messing with US Thanksgiving dinner. Supposedly the cease-fire deal was done 24 hours ago, but they had to wait for Hillary to arrive for the photo op. I haven’t heard how many billions each side received this time.
@ Ferret 21 Nov, 2012 – 1:25 pm
Thanks for your comments on 9/11 above. I’ll look at more of it as time allows. Like the JFK thing I’ve only paid attention to small pieces. These vast conspiracies are too complicated for me, plus each already has hundreds of experts, such as yourself, who know the obscure details, and I’m not likely to contribute anything.
Bluebird.
Yep, he’s was Delta.
Steven “woody” Schubert. First Officer.