The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Still going strong? Well! And are we any further forward in finding out whodunnit? I genuinely salute everyone’s indefatigability. Just passing through! This thread may well run on into the New Year! Perhaps, like the Hubble telescope, it should be kept open in perpetuem, lest further information becomes available. New points of light…
NR
I can’t remember where i read the part about the magnum. I did not put much attention into that part of the story at all. Not sure whether or not these jihadist are related at all.
I imagine that the use of old weapons (particularly military ones) might have a reason that they are not registered and you cannot follow their roots and owners.
Olifant
What if BM was Roboscoped?
Check that word on wikipedia.
One brett martin twittered on sept 10th that he was roboscoped ( no idea whether he is BM).
Sept 10th was about the time when he was presented to media.
But the word roboscoped would put another light into his original story.
Sorry. Mistyped
That brett martin twittered on sept 10th
I was ROTOSCOPED.
Sorry for the typo.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping
When i read that, it made immediately sense.
Though i have no idea whether this was the real brett martin who twitters in that account.
Still. Rotoscoping makes sense here. A lot sense.
Usually it doesnt happen often that somebody is being rotoscoped. Does it?
Sorry for my typo in the post above. However, i heard that word for the first time in my life.
Katie
1. His avatar looks like that of a detective or a spy. Dont care about the cuban cigar in his mouth.
2. He twitters about a marathon.
3. He seems to travel alot.
Twittering about being in New Orleans, texas and new york within one month only.
4. Twitters about delta airlines. Ask james about why Delta is significant!
5. Twitters about being rotoscoped (sept 10th).
6. Tells a twitter friend that he has to delete him from his friends list due to security reasons (in september!).
That makes him much more than just being unlikely.
@ bluebird 25 Nov, 2012 – 5:42 pm
“Brett Martin twitter account? chance 1% ???
2. On Sept 10th he twitters that he were ROBOSCOPED. Why?”
Alas it is not OUR BM. This one is a food writer and a restaurant reviewer – a good one. I read one of his reviews in GQ and now I am hungry.
The term “roboscoped” refers to control of telescopes so they automatically follow whatever you want, but several times it’s used about a plug-in for PhotoShop, when I think they mean “rotoscoped” – making animation out of live action – though maybe somebody invented a way to do that automatically instead of by hand tracing, so they call it roboscoping. [end of trivia]
Ok olifant
However,
the word rotoscoped could accidentally fit to the real BM, too. Please excuse my typo tgat created a mess. He said ROTOSCOPED and he even mentioned Fleischer.
Rotoscoping means e.g. tha:
Elvis singing a duet with Celine Dion.
http://tmq2.wordpress.com/2007/04/26/celine-dion-elvis-presley-if-i-can-dream-american-idol/
That is rotoscoping.
What if BM did not really exist there but he was the actor who read the script for the media? He was rotoscoped into that scene because they did need one person to inform and call official police after they had finished the scene setup.
From the very beginning i had the impression that BM was reading from a script only.
Somebody had mentioned the Houston assassination of Galehra Bagher Zadeh about one week ago.
Now, there was a second person killed a few days ago, who had been close to her.
http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/11-20-12-16-15-second-shooting-death-adds-to-mystery-surrounding-murder-of-iranian-born-medical-student/
Interesting read about killed coty beaver. Was he posting in boards like that one?
Quote by his twin brother:
Coty was passionate about his interests including astronomy, politics, conspiracy theories and aliens. During the last long conversation that we shared, he tried to convince me that the world was going to end on December 21, 2012. My family discussed spreading Coty’s ashes at a temple in Mexico that has connections with the 2012 prophecies, aliens and astronomy. I suggested that his ashes be spread on December 21st. Coty’s wife, Nesreen, smiled and said “Or the day after.”
http://www.forevermissed.com/cotybeavers/
Re Coty Beaver
His girlfriend Nasreen Irsan is from Jordan and her family lives in Conroe TX
This is the police evidence:
http://www.hcso.hctx.net/newsDetailsnew.asp?grp=hom&id=761
Nasreen twittered in 2009 that she is afraid of her brother.
https://mobile.twitter.com/nesreenirsan/tweets
Nasreen is molecular biologist and she was best friend of killed G. Baghef Zadeh who studied the same science.
Interesting that she has an elder sister Nasemah Irsan and her father Ali Mahd Irsan had already killed her husband in 1999 in Houston but he did never go into jail.
http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl/1999_3166235/a-case-of-self-defense.html
This is the Jordan family of Ali Mahd Irsan from Conroe/Texas
http://m.whitepages.com/Results.aspx;jsessionid=ThsukMWAAvulK8wgvsbBJd3+?Mode=results&Ref=PeopleSearch&sid=tjiizdzykecgvj45nn1a2enx
3 dead people who came close to this family? Nasreen’s best girlfriend, her boyfriend and her elder sister’s husband. Who will be next?
My guess is that staying close to this family is dangerous ….
@BB: Delta was the airline of the pilot/flight instructor from Lakeland, Florida, who died after an operation by Dr. Scott Kelley of Tampa. A lawsuit by his survivors is before the courts.
Do I win anything?
Slightly O/T but here’s an interesting article about nominee directors of offshore companies:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/25/offshore-secrets-revealed-shadowy-side
If you wanted to be doing something really murky, that’s the kind of vehicle you’d be using.
SP Trading looks interesting.
Thanks for the plug, Suhayl Saadi, through all the site static.
Hope the thread keeps going until I finish my inquiries in the States about Willian Hershkovitz, and see what happens back here in Sweden because of the threats by Sam Rosenfeld – former military intelligence spook for the Brits back in Northern Ireland during the 1980s and 1990s who has claimed to have worked for the Mossad subsequently – to sue me.
Muck-raking journalism is certainly dead, and it is only because of former jourmalists and teachers on the internet, like me, that anything serious gets exposed of what covert government, especially that of the Anglo-Americans, are currently involved in, and even then no one else responds to it.
Just look at what happened to the 26 counterterrorists who were killed on that sabotaged Chinook helicopter at the Mull of Kintrye on June 2, 1994, and all the assassinations that they have suffered, from that of JFK until the one involving astrophysicist Professor Steve Rawlings – what I have helped raise most pressing concerns about but without any kind of feedback.
Would certainly like to know who directed the helicopter into the Hill of Stone – what I have only suspected that the victims thought it would be Martin McGartland but turned out to be someone who wanted to kill them instead – and am still looking into the murder of FBI agent Steve Ivens, but just haven’t had the time to write about it, given all the problems involved in moving my residence.
I am quite sure that the Lake Annecy massacre has become a showdown for me where I either destroy myself mentally and physically in trying to get to the bottom of it, or covert operators do it for me.
More, hopefully, later.
Now the picture of Leo and Mathis’ mother, Lydia Ringot — which I inserted in this post — has disapeared from Mathis Molliers Facebook page. He still list a lot of people as his “brothers” and “sisters”, which I always thought of as rather odd — and in therefore of course also was wary of accepting the claim that Lydia Ringot was his mother.
But I recall that Bluebird used this Facebook page as proof that this was “our” Mathis and that he was the son of Lydia Ringot, who was running a hairdresser salon on Serbia Road in Ugine — and indeed since it has now been removed, but all the sister/brother nonsense remains, it ties in with Leo’s tweets that has been removed, because apparently people are not allowed to dig into Sylvain Mollier’s family. But know Mathis page displays info about his University degree and what have you, which I distincly remember it didn’t do before.
How does Bluebird explain this? Is this part of some advanced disinformation?
Surprise, surprise, all the Facebook photos of Francois, that I posted here has disappeared as well, along with the pretty substantial indication [of a relationship] that Francois and Leo both had taken photos of the same cat.
B-R-E-A-K-I-N-G
I’ve just discovered that Francois Ringot’s Facebook page has disappeared as well – which is what you would expect, I guess, if someone has decided that we are not allowed to dig into thius family. In my view this could imply that Sylvain could be some sort of agent – witness also Eric Mallaud’s off the cuff remark about him “living a double life”
@ Kenneth Sorensen 26 Nov, 2012 – 7:38 am
“Now the picture of Leo and Mathis’ mother, Lydia Ringot — which I inserted in this post — has disapeared from Mathis Molliers Facebook page. He still list a lot of people as his “brothers” and “sisters”, which I always thought of as rather odd — and in therefore of course also was wary of accepting the claim that Lydia Ringot was his mother.”
Some churches, everyone is called brother and sister. Then the young dudes at times call everyone bro’ or bra’ but they don’t call chicks sis, they are all hos, except for a real sister or gf and their various baby mommas – though they may call them hos too, if they asked for too much child support.
If Sylvain’s an agent, what are the chances that BM would be in the same cycle club and being passed by him/seing him in front – without BM also being some sort of agent?
Off Topic: A strange / funny story from Germany of the “suicide” of a man who ties himself inside a bag, shoots himself from the outside, but no gun found.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/340476/news/the-mysterious-death-of-uwe-sattler-germanys-gareth-williams.html/
Olifant 6-48
I agree about the BM waffle, the only time he sounded genuine was when he slowly said……’no- not- at- all’ that was convincing.
However, his mention of being tired was soooo fake, if adrenalin doesn’t run when you come onto a shock scene such as that you’re already dead in my view.
Being physically tired is very different to being mentally exhausted,as far as I’m aware cycling does not use a lot of brain power.
It was Symonds who led BM into saying he was ‘tired’.
BB, yes the behatted, smoking image could be taken for that of a detective, but I cannot believe an ‘agent’ would choose something so overt it would rather defeat his purpose, so we shall have to agree to disagree.
Mochyn69 26 Nov, 2012 – 3:08 am
“Slightly O/T but here’s an interesting article about nominee directors of offshore companies:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/25/offshore-secrets-revealed-shadowy-side
“If you wanted to be doing something really murky, that’s the kind of vehicle you’d be using. SP Trading looks interesting.”
It mentions the special software they use to track connections. In Montreal recently they used special software to detect bid rigging in their totally corrupt Mafia run construction industry.
I poked around a bit in the security businesses and it’s a small circle of top people moving around the same old companies and forming their own new ones.
For example: A graduate from Auchi Polytecnic [or Polytechnic] in Nigeria [no connection to our Auchi that I saw] Prince Rocky Johnson goes to work for Triple Canopy [Prez O’s favoured security group as Blackwater was for Prez. W] then he becomes protocol officer at Pilgrims Africa Nigeria.
Pilgrims Group [Pilgrims House PO Box 769 Woking SURREY United Kingdom] specializes in anti-pirates security in Nigeria & Somalia. It is run by someone with a bad rep [good I guess if one is in that biz] Cobus Claassens [or Classens] who also runs Southern Cross Security and speaks Afrikaans, English, German.
“Southern Cross was formed in Sierra Leone in 1999. The founding members had served in Sierra Leone since 1995 with Executive Outcomes.” [Where was that company in our discussion?]
http://www.zimbio.com/South+Africans/articles/2ox97QasrYL/South+African+Security+Pilgrims+Africa+limited
“Since arriving in this neck of the woods I have been surprised at the number of South African run security companies and their disregard for the people and laws of Nigeria.”
For the South Africans, Pilgrims seems to be a word like Silver Fern for those from New Zealand. Perhaps because Pilgrims Rest is where the gold rush started in South Africa?
Sylvain’s an agent, and a pretty important one at that, since so much effort is being done to remove any trace of him. NO pictures of him exists in the public sphere. If this was all some sort of counter-play, imagine the disturbance being done then without reason to a young man like Leo (who incidentally is 16 today – but celebrated his birthday last monday, for some reason) – who was so fond of tweeting, but now apparently have been told he can’t tweet anymore. No, I believe the efforts to remove all traces of Sylvain and his family from the public domain is genuine enough, and not some sort of counter-effort. It is being done to keep all information of this family out of the public domain.
I am still working on the hypothesis that the French, British, American and Israel counterterrorists put togther a double agent plot, involving Saad al-Hilli and Sylvain Molleir who had worked for their countries’ secret services when it came to keeping track of Iran’s alleged pursuit of nuclear weapons – which was hoped to provide evidence of when a meeting of them was arranged around Lake Annecy in early September.
At the very least, it would put another damper on people in the know about the covert world from leaking or spying about anything – what the murders of Gareth Williams, Gudrun Loftus, Steve Rawlings et al. had already attempted to accomplish.
The trouble was that it went all sour when apparent hitman William Hershkovitz, who the CIA had helped recruit for the Mossad, discovered that it was a massacre in the making rather than catching two alleged Iranian spies red handed.
The fact was even confirmed by Brett Martin, the assassination’s
covert clean-up man, failing to find any evidence of some kind of spying operation taking place.
It would still have been worth it if it had not been for “nice kid” Hershkovitz going off the rails when he discovered how he had been deceived and misused throughout it all, resulting in his killing work/study boss, Arab-Israeli Armando al-Abed.
Now Tel Aviv, Paris, London, and Washington really have an international mess on their hands.
I sometimes can get quite afraid of myself, when thinking about that it is due to my posting on Icke of some self-imposing Frenchman called Francois Ringot and his new wife and the connection indicated that she is the mother of Leo and Mathis (correbolated by the fact that al photos have benn removed and accounts closed in the case of Francois’ Facebook page and Leo’s Twitter page and Mathis has had the photo of himother and Francois removed/told to remove it) that all these people now have had their social media exchances hampered by apparently seing it necessary to close their accounts.
I do not buy the argument that these measures — closing of accounts and removal of photo of Mathis’ mother from his Facebook page (which now oddly tells us that he is studying at university (!) – surely a record for a 13 year old) — should be in order to “protect” this family, because surely anyone wishing them ill, would be quite capable of digging up this information themselves. Most of it [the confirmation and photo-links] came from the Marylin Thomlin forum.
Trowbridge H. Ford 26 Nov, 2012 – 7:37 am
“Thanks for the plug, Suhayl Saadi, through all the site static. Hope the thread keeps going until I finish my inquiries in the States about Willian Hershkovitz…”
“I am quite sure that the Lake Annecy massacre has become a showdown for me where I either destroy myself mentally and physically in trying to get to the bottom of it, or covert operators do it for me.”
I and others will do our best to keep the discussion going, static and chaff and all. Check in now and then to let us know how you’re doing, and when you’ll return.
Seriously, don’t take the matter too seriously. It is possible to drive yourself crazy. It’s like a video game. You make it to level 31 and feel compelled to go on to the next level. I did that on another crime a few months ago.
Take a total break for a couple of weeks every now and then. Barring a Watergate or a WikiLeaks there is not much we could find that interests the big media or will change anything.
Have good travels.
Perhaps one should save the last 3 pages on Icke, what do you think? Are these people powerful or not? Could they have a go at Icke, and tell him to remove the photos? After all it is probably the only place on the Internet now, that the connections about the family is made. If those 3 pages go, it will be difficult for abyone in the future to connect these people and to document it by photos, they themselves have uploaded.
Perhaps you can help me to also upload the 3 last pages, so that if my evidence for some reason disappears, we still have it?
Should of course read:
Kenneth, don’t you think it a bit sick using a recently dead man as an avatar,you didn’t even know him, I’m sure his family would not like it ?
Sorensen
There is lots of websites, photos, etc. that were removed right after some of us had posted them. We know from the very first minute that this was part of an intelligence/mobster crime regarding “national security”. So then, why are you surprised now? They have Clean teams on the www, too, and those guys are well paid.
On another thing.
The al Irsan family are British/zionist collaborateurs since 1948. Their Jordan/palestinian branch received monthly salaries from Britain and jewish organisations for helping them to talk to other palestinian Arabs to sell their land and acres to jewish immigrants.
Now one branch of the al Irsans are living in Conroe/Texas, where Exxon runs its second largest oil field. Their family/clan leader Ali Mahdi al Irsan is unemployed. However, all of their many kids were able to receive high education and to study in expensive universities.
Currently there are 3 assassinations confirmed next to this family:
1. The husband of his eldest daughter was executed by her father. He did not go to jail because of “self defense”.
2. The best girl friend of his daughter Nasreen, G. Bangher Zadeh was assassinated early this year.
3. The boyfriend of his daughter Nasreen was assassinated last week. Self defense? Coty Beaver was blogging about political conspiracy and particularly about 9/11.
I take it for granted that the al Irsans are being paid by a zionist intelligence group. Had there been more assassinations in the Houston area during the past 12 years?
Are his daughters spies who are playing Mata Hari for getting closer to the targets and then boom, boom, boom … ?
Here is news regarding spy Paula Broadwell. She is a trained submachine gun expert.
http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1205335
Laura Giors twitter down too though her you tube had activity on 25/11/12 http://www.youtube.com/user/LauraMiss73