The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
OK Tim, here’s one more scenario for you to knock down:
I raised the possibility before (and others have I noticed – James maybe? Olifant?) that WBM was the cyclist SAH AND the “other” agency were expecting (ignoring for a moment the question of why meet in France and not in England where they both live – maybe not a good place for said “agency”. Maybe the proximity to Swiss border was significant). In this scenario SM can indeed be an “innocent’ cyclist who happened to overtake WBM (just as the latter said), arrived at the Martinet, stopped and, being a “by stander” had nothing to produce. Said third agents – there already waiting – think they were played for fools, and when SAH cannot convince them otherwise (and is perhaps confused himself), they get pissed off, shoot SM and proceed to get rid of everyone else. Of course, it’s possible they were there to knock everyone off in the first place and were just waiting for a bicyclist to arrive as confirmation of the parties to some deal they intended to break apart.
All the known facts and timelines fit this scenario as well though of course we still have no idea what the meeting was about, why there, and who the perpetrators were. It would though explain nicely the shock visited upon WBM who lived to regret that he took “only” his mountain bike.
So of my original three possibilities for cyclist arrival sequence (WBM arrives before SM, they arrive together, SM arrives first) the last one is the most consistent with the knowledge of the scene as we have it, the timeline and WBM’s own account as well as his surmised shocked state of mind.
Alas, none of these solves the 3:48 PM phone call which could be made by WBM on a satellite phone or someone else who must be among the killers, just as you suggested. The problem with the killers making the crucial phone call is that we don’t know what motivated them to do so (I think the sudden bout of compassion towards an injured kid doesn’t quite cut it). Also there’s the question of who they made the call to that the sapeurs could pick up – as they said. I wish we knew where that call went to. It would tell us much, I think (which is why we are likely to stay in the dark).
PS hope not so many typos/errors in this post (unlike the previous one. bad me – haste makes waste and no edit function!)
Good morning form a very sunny “somewhere” !
Alot is made of WBM’s “press release” and for obvious reasons. However it is just that. A “press release” and not a “statement”.
But the “unusual” accountant does for eye brow raising make !
Indeed the “timing” of WBM’s arrival at the scene makes it possible that he was overtaken by SAH.
Taking the view that SAH didn’t overtake WBM, what would that mean ?
Fillion-Robin’s timing are more credible ?
SAH was at the carpark much earlier that the photographs at Arnand suggest ?
WBM was at some point in visual contact with SM “ahead” of him and it was SM’s arrival that sparked a stand off into a fatal shoot out ?
If that were the case, then are the “3.15pm” photographs designed to cover up the cause of the broken roof rack ???
I am still concerned about the “dirt” marks at the forward roof of the BMW.
@Tim
This is a comment from MZT on emergency phone service :
“REF Emergency phone numbers
If message/call completely fails to get through first time because of no coverage it WILL be resent automatically if the phone moves about . . until it IS sent.”
Me:
How do they determine where the call is coming from so quickly ?
This radionet service the emergency services are supposed to have picked up is that just someone listening to a police scanner or is it an official service ?
@Strawberry
I think you make a good point about the Mastros being watched and complications that may have thrown up,if BM was involved in watching them then it would seem even more likely to me that he was following SM,maybe the cover up comes from not wanting to compromise agents in the area .
I personally doubt that anything SAH did was incidental from moving campsite ,to taking photo’s or being in the layby ,are SAH and WBM part of the same team ,or SM and SAH .
What use could SAH have to an investigation on the Mastro’s and their connections?
The hardest part to make sense of for me is SAH taking his family along he had been coming and going from the campsite on his own and this time he took the family along so it’s difficult to imagine he foresaw any problem .
The old pass the key idea for smugglers seems to be a possibility was SAH collecting/passing a key to a safety deposit box to someone possibly SM ?
If it was something like that and they are taking precautions to hide the fact how did someone find out what was going on,its not going to be a casual criminal as there is nothing to steal so its someone in the kmow .
The searching of SM would tie in with a key as there cant be that much you can conceal in those lycra cycling clothes !
Something about SAH and SM meeting triggered a chain of events ,what was so important about their contact that they all had to be killed I cant get my head around that,if it was just key passing then SM could have been mugged anywhere without the need to kill so many people so I may have talked myself out of that one.
Is the resignation of Ehud Barak as Israel’s Minister of Defence the belated recognition of his responsibility for the failed mission around Lake Annecy in early September?
Certainly looks so to me – what the successor to Moshe Dayan hoped to achieve in going it covertly alone when it came to dealing with Iran – like he had done in dealing with Syria’s nuclear weapons threat, and what his defense and military colleagues increasingly opposed.
Of course, Barak got the necessary means for carrying out the mission from the Mossad and the IDF, and it was hardly surprising that he voluteered that William Hershkovitz’s rampage was simply an internal matter when the cockup in France became all too clear, resulting in the murder of Nick Mockford, it seems, in the hope of keeping the lid on it all.
After Barak carried out the kind of mission that his government opposition wanted done against Gaza, it was time to go even though it had gotten the political support he needed to have a political future in the Knesset.
The enigmatic Ehud alluded to its weakness in explaining his resignation from politics when, in fact, he had never shown the necessary political skills among his peers to become a powerful, trusted leader.
Was the Lake Annecy cockup Barak’s final political undoing?
Some news from the Indiana blast:
Residents are talking about that there is a terrorist investigation regarding that blast, but not called officially so.
http://www.wthr.com/story/20186385/richmond-hill-homeowners-getting-first-look-at-damage?fullsite&view=web&clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass&force_mobile_off=1&mview=desktop
Residents complain about why they hardly had any time to search and remove their belingings since demolishion begins already this week. They say that it is unusual to demolish that quickly and there are 33 houses ll they are going to demolish d this week.
http://www.wthr.com/story/20182155/demolition-begins-today-in-richmond-hill
Some more Indiana news. Statements by Forensic experts:
http://enenews.com/massive-indiana-blast-now-a-homicide-investigation-tv-was-explosive-detonated-atfs-been-in-there-somebodys-sniffed-out-something-video/comment-page-1
http://enenews.com/company-evidence-leak-gas-lines-indiana-blast-expert-looks-like-methane-military-ammo-dropped-plane-similar-damage
And now … A quick demolition of the whole scene of that blast ….
Interesting blog reply by a resident who obviously knows more about the families:
November 23, 2012 at 8:36 am I can’t believe all the mis-information on this site. I live 1/2 mile from Richmond Hill. The homeowner is an ER nurse at a local hospital, not a microbiologist. She shares the same name with one, though as I guess it’s kind of a common Puerto Rican name. The boyfriend, who is a jack-of-all-trades, master of none, is a security guard at a boarded up conference center, where the white van was impounded.The daughter is 12 years old. She had texted to her dad, who lives around 35 miles away, that their furnace was broken, around 2 weeks before the explosion. I think she was set up to report a “malfunctioning furnace” to her dad. They used her.Mark Leonard is the boyfriend as stated above. He has a long list of criminal activity on his record. Cocaine/MJ possession in which he served prison time, stalking, intimidation, contempt of court, DWI, driving w/suspended license. The mother bailed him out for the past 2 years of charges. Mark Leonard and his friend David Gill also would spend time at Indiana casinos conning women of their money. You can read this all by Googling it, but the Urafreak.com web site has been removed recently, but you can still see it all in the cache.On a recent trip to a casino, David Gill met up with a woman, told her he forgot to take his gambling money, and wanted to borrow money, saying he was soon coming into a large insurance settlement.
Thanks for that BB
Here is a comment from the 2nd link:-
I wonder if all the people within a quarter mile radius at least are getting checked for post concussion syndrome like the military because of the blast that they were so close to.
http://www.fox59.com/video/photos/wxin-home-devastated-after-explosion-20121112,0,2254755.photogallery
In the 28 photos of the Cocherell family who lived at 8409, 3 photos are interesting:-
14 The arch window isnt there obviously a weak point, was it perspex and not glass? The light fitting just inside remains
20 Shattered glass on the floor?
22 from outside confirms house number and shows relatively little exterior damage except the arch window. You wouldnt expect all the damage that photos 1-28 shows.
Marc Munger · Indianapolis, Indiana
Similar to what I posted yesterday….If this was a gas explosion, someone please explain what caused the extremely loud 2-3 seconds “thunder” noise that happened just BEFORE the sound of the explosion? These were two very distinctly different sounds. Would a gas explosion cause that preemptive thunder sound? I wouldn’t think so, but I am the last person who would know about explosions. I live 3 miles away and heard it as if it were happening just inside my own neighborhood. Those two sounds were back-to-back and they were the most loud and terrifying things I have ever heard.
Reply · 2 · · November 13 at 7:17am
John Yager · Indiana
I don’t know much about percussive effects of explosions either, but Ft Bragg is 50 miles from me, and at times I can hear the ordinance they are dropping and feel the percussion….
Reply · 1 · · November 13 at 7:25am
Marc Munger · Indianapolis, Indiana
John, this first sound was why everyone thought it was a plane going down at first. I just can’t believe it was a gas explosion with that first sound. It’s a mystery that someone knows but doubt we ever will.
Reply · 1 · · November 13 at 7:36am
Debby McMullen
I live about 1/3 of a mile away and I heard the “thunder” also. I will never forget that sound. 🙁 And I’m still having nightmares about it.
Reply · 2 · · November 13 at 8:00am
5 further comments I failed to print:-
Marc Munger · Indianapolis, Indiana
Well, this sound was from the sky, just like thunder. The rumble from the ground that shook the house came from the explosion sound that followed. Like Debby said, it was nightmarish and I will never forget it either.
Reply · 1 · · November 13 at 8:25am
David J. Lekse · Top Commenter · Indianapolis, Indiana
I still think for an explosion that size, there must have been a house-full of fuel. Since the house is actually somewhat flexible (relative to, say, a metal bomb) could the gas burn for 2 seconds in side, cause the house to expand during that time, and then “pop”?
Reply · · November 13 at 11:15am
Thaddeus Dobracki · Top Commenter · Works at The Argon Grandmaster (cryogenic air separation consultancy)
Could be because of different speed of sound in ground vs air. Since speed of sound in ground is faster, you might hear (or feel) that first.
Reply · · November 13 at 11:31am
Kerry Trout · Top Commenter · Central Piedmont Community College
Marc – several years ago an earthquake hit Roachdale, IN – just a few miles from me. I had no idea that an earthquake was so loud – but it was like sudden loud thunder. Saturday’s explosion shook the earth for miles – so could that have been what you heard? And would it be that you didn’t hear the actual explosion yet because of the delay in the speed of sound?
Reply · · November 13 at 10:06pm
Steve White · Top Commenter · Long Ridge Writers Group
Well, consider this. A long shot, I know, but not impossible. What if it were a meteor, entering the Earth’s atmosphere? A small one, now…and it did not strike the ground but did an “air burst” a short distance above the houses? It would leave NO crater. It would be super-heated passing through the atmosphere, would account for the “thunder” sound, and could be moving at something like 30,000 mph. Meteors have OFTEN been known to blow up as they burned up in the atmosphere.
And there is THIS to consider: right now we are near the peak of just such a meteor shower that runs from Nov 6th through Nov 30th. – up to 15 an hour. A long shot, indeed…but what if one got through, and exploded above this neighborhood?
Reply · · November 14 at 12:33am
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Remember the ‘Air burst’ near Newton Abbot police station 6 weeks ago:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20000877
Harrowbarrow, Cornwall to Newton Abbot is over 30 miles away what if this was an aerial test before Indianapolis
Regarding Patraeus
The real thing!
Israel is taking over America’s foreign and defense policy.
Congressman Cantor worked with FrederickHumphris Cantor is a secret ZOA member and apparently a Mossad agent
http://www.zoa.org/sitedocuments/pressrelease_view.asp?pressreleaseID=2186
Now Harman is said to be the new CIA chief. Harman IS a Mossad agent. She was covert up previously by transferring secret US documents to Mossad. Harman is a secret ZOA member, too.
Israel is taking over America. This is a political desaster and in fact this is a coup d’etat.
Not the sex was the reason. CIA was and is supporting jihadist groups in syria, libya and iraq to control their interests. Israel was never excited about that. Patraeus was an opponent of an Iran war because he knew that those jihadist groups would then become dangerous for the CIA agents who so far funded them and cooperated.
Now Israel won due to ZOA influence. When Israel can have the CIA then there is nothing that opposes an Iran war any longer. ZOA has finally taken over the USA government.
Read about Harman’s Mossad history. There is no secret about that! And now she should become CIA boss? WTF!
Here are some links regarding Harman and her ZOA and Mossad connections. Frederick Humphries is a zionist Christian who hates all Muslims. Pastor Pilkington runs a zionist/christian church.
http://www.whale.to/c/dual_citizenship.html
http://thepassionateattachment.com/2012/09/12/the-israeli-provocation-of-sept-11-anti-american-embassy-protests/
http://www.zoa.org/sitedocuments/pressrelease_view.asp?pressreleaseID=640
http://mark1marti2.wordpress.com/2011/05/23/the-empire-continues-to-sweat-the-british-ofcom-case-and-press-tviran/
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/02/jane-harmans-exit-is-good-news.html
This was a COUPE d ETAT!
This had nothing todo with sex. And currently there is a cleaning from pro Arab and pro Muslim and anti Israel CIA agents going on. SAH was not the last one of those CIA agents being killed.
@Marlin
27 Nov, 2012 – 3:36 am “If that’s what happened, then we can surmise who those agencies may be based on hints and past MOs. Clearly, the brits (MI6 etc) would be one – potentially in collaboration with the French (that because they are both working so hard on a cover-up that keeps falling apart). The killers’ agency is less clear – but the MO suggests the Russian FSB (possibly working with or on behalf of another) or the Mossad – both would blink at killing kids IMO and both quite capable and hardly shy about a double cross. A mafia like organization is possible as well but it has to be a rather well-funded and connected one to justify such a deep cover-up. An Iranian agency or Iraqi one is another possibility(there were certainly a few motives potentially uncovered on these threads) but the MO is wrong and again there’s the question of a cover-up stretching over at least 2 countries – France and UK. Personally I am leaning to some Mossad involvement – but that’s purely a hunch. Who else can bring both the French and British intelligence agencies to heel (and I think they both did)?”
I Like the way you think laterally Marlin. It pushes the boundaries and either by process of elimination or discovery, the truth is revealed. I would not like you think I “demolish” ideas just for the sake of it and am quite open to anyone challenging any of mine. The addictive nature of crosswords or seduku is that there is only one solution, though hidden, can be solved by grasping the clues. To do so the player must know something of the rationale, be able to think laterally (like you), have a good grasp of detail/knowledge needed and getting in the mind of the compiler can help.
On here I have stayed away from pointing the finger too directly towards likely perpetrator or collaborator (if any) and not only because it might be dangerous! It seems to me we are in a particularly dangerous phase of history when even democracies espouse extra-judicial killing, dismiss civilian deaths as acceptible collateral damage, effectively abduct and kidnap, imprison indefinately without trial, rationalize and excuse torture of captives who might or might not be guilty of offences and suggest that trials and civil proceedings should be carried out in secret with not even the accused being able to learn the evidence! In such circumstances one wonders what we are trying to defend ourselves from.
Bluebird, I’ve just deleted one comment from you – anything to do with “the Jews run America” usually comes from a very unpleasant mode of thinking, and I’m surprised to see you say it so openly.
If you wish to repost that link suggesting that Jewish/Zionist organisations have a lobbying effect on US foreign policy, then fair enough.
“The Persian population in Iran is not a majority, it is a plurality.
There are many different, diverse, and disagreeing populations inside Iran and an obvious strategy, which I believe is a very good strategy, is to separate those populations.”
Not the words of Hitler, Milosevic or even Kambanda.
But not from a “democratic” govenment official in the US of A !!!!
Jane Harman. Evil personified.
Trowbridge H. Ford,
Fair enough – I apologise if it was not you that did the chasing off. Nevertheless, BB and Ferret are certainly not trolls; they’ve both been quite dedicated to the task of unearthing facts about this case. Whether you think they (or anyone) here is posting in good faith is a different matter, and is something that folks are free to differ on.
Now referring to the famous Conan Doyle aphorism you quoted, what are the hypotheses we can dispose of? The fact that you will notice many of these have actually been promulgated by the French authorities that makes them highly suspect. The only excuse could be that this was done intentionally to throw the press and public and deceive the perpetrators themselves to allow the police to do their job untrammeled. The trouble is I’m not convinced the French prosecutor is that sophisticated.
So what explanations have the French prosecutors advanced and are they viable?
1. Al Hillis disturb a drug deal, the members of which shoot the Al Hillis and Mollier when he arrived as unwanted witnesses.
2. Al Hillis were part of a drug or other deal with the killers that goes badly wrong and Mollier is killed as uninvolved witness
3. Killed as a result of a bungled robbery, Mollier killer for stumbling on the scene
4. Lone demented killer lurking in the woods, shoots everyone as a result of his/her psychopathic nature.
5. Paid killer/assassin by family members (Zaid?) over financial dispute.
6. Gang of Serb “paramilitaries” carry out killings based on the suggested use of weapon (Skorpion)
7. Orinally “professional” killings changing to “unprofessional” to “lone mentally disturbed killer”.
8. Some undefined connection with the Al Hillis work
9. Some undefined connection with Iraqi family/business
10. Being sure the reason for the killing was located in Britain.
Perhaps it is worth noting there are two notable exceptions to the Prosecutor’s hypotheses namely: Mollier in any way being the intended target or connected to the Al Hillis; or any possibility of State involvement – his own or others.
Could there be any other explanations?
How about a suicide pact, or a gun fight between Mollier and Al Hillis. or Mollier being the murderer then shooting himself, or Martin being the murderer? Or how about forestry employees with an axe to grind (!) against Mollier and the Al Hillis killed as witnesses? Or a complication extraction theory to remove all participants by their respective secret services to protect them from threats.
You will notice I still haven’t covered the state options. However I believe that there are strong reasons to discount all of the above (I haven’t recounted them here but can do) in which case unless we can come up with some new ones, only the state option is left. Which one will also lend itself to a process of elimination hopefully assisted by evidence from the site or investigation????????
@ Straw44berry
27 Nov, 2012 – 6:59 am “Why are you ignoring the Michael Mastro case, do you know something that I dont? If the FBI have been watching him for some time then Chevaline will be liberally sprinkled with agents for this case.”
In answer to your questions is “I’m not and No”! I have followed this Mastro thread with interest – an American billionaire on the run from American creditors and prosecutors living not far from Chevaline but it doesn’t amount to a pile of beans unless a connection can be proved to intelligence services or the “actors” in this case. I am not saying there is no connection but until someone far more talented than me proves it, I can’t see how it can help solve the mystery of the Al Hilli/Mollier murders.
Bluebird, CONGRATULATIONS! That post of yours</a< is just awesome! You should try to communicate with Dr. Walt from Harvard University, either on his blog or….perhaps most effective, to email him. Undoubtely he already has made some thoughts regarding the fate of Petraeus on his own, but there is of course limits to what he can say, and he naturally wants to see the case develop. (*See note)
I agree with you that this Harman bitch, is just something of the worst. What was this scandal some years ago, involving her joggings? I forgot, but of course she got her wrickled out of it, as they always do.
Bluebird Of course you could have formulated yourself more coutiosly, but I always counter-argue, that these people — in the Israel lobby — are really some of the most powerful in the world, and Americans are not into any kind of purging and internments in KZ-camps (lol) (not at the moment anyway lol!) (and anyway nothing we can say here would make any difference as to whether they would consider going down this road) like the Nazi’s were, so…all in all, wjat I meant to say, is that Jon just over-reacted, but of course you could have formulated yourself a little smarter. So try to repost, ans Cheers!!
I would have loved to read the other one that Jon deleted. Try to write: Honorary descendents of the distinguished sraelites, instead, [as I do very often] and repost.
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*)Note
I actually made a thought of my own and communicated it to Steve; the thought was that the Israel lobby not only controls U.S. Mid East Policy, but large swats of other foreign policy issues (and I also reminded him that his book is called The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, and not The Israel lobby and U.S. Mid East Policy, as perhaps could be expected, implying that the authors had thought as much as well. I specifically highlighted the missile Defense Shield with Radar Stations in Poland, because as I said it is in Israels strategic interest that as many as possible shares its strategic interest, and if everybody starts to fear Iranian missiles, that would be great from Israels point of view.
but his initial reaction was that he “was not into these kind of conspiracy theories”. You know how these professors are. But he didn’t say that it wasn’t a posibility, and that he hadn’t thought abbout it already.
Thanks Tim
But if Eric M had his hands tied by this some of the changing stories have some purpose.
Would any agents on this case use mobile phones, did the usual lack of coverage at the crime scene still exist for this period?
Did some of the actors replace people who could not be named.
And yes the bottom line is can we connect the Al-Hillis to the Mastro case.
Why does an 87 year old man need to steal so much? Who else was enjoying the same benefits?
@Tim V
27 Nov, 2012 – 3:34 pm
That’s a great post. If we collect all EM’s attested statements and reported statements from ‘sources close to the enquiry’,then we can be sure it’s ‘none of the above’.
Jon, I am sorry when I wasn’t thinking before writing. However, I am in no way a racist nor even right wing and I do have many liberal Israeli friends. I consider myself of being a socialist/liberal bird. However, I got very upset when I had to see that the politics of the USA were obviously dominated by a zionist organisation (ZOA) and that their members are not only members of the Senate and members of the House of Rep., but that they are now also going to nominate their own CIA chief.
I am upset that the USA is being turned and forced into a shill of Israel by very few powerful and very rich people. I am disappointed that a land of “democracy” can become enslaved by such a powerful aqnd rich minority. Brainwashing is one thing, taking control of another country in a coup d’eta is another thing. This was a “velvet revolution”, while the press was talking about a “sex scandal”. How much more brainwashing are we going to suffer?
Tim V:
You forgot to mention one thing:
There are 2 CIA’s!
A few months ago there had started a velvet revolution in the USA. The consequence will be that the CIA agents of the “other CIA” are now being executed as they did not accept their offer to connect with and submit to the other CIA that is now the more powerful.
Looking at the whole picture, I would say that this is a deliberate elimination of outraged and therefore unreliable ex-CIA agents. One of those were the al-Hillis, but there are also Rafael Prieto, Carnegy, Mockfort, Bagher Zadeh, Coty Beaver, Stevens, plus many more to come in the near future.
Sorensen,
the real problem is that those people who are lobbying for “Israel” in the ZOA aren’t even living in Israel and they have no wishes at all to ever live in Israel theirselves. They enjoy America, their power and their wealthy and convenient life in the USA. I know a lot of people who are actually living in Israel and who are my friends and who are actually ashamed and embarrased of those zion nationalists. They are embarrassed about what they are doing and saying. ZOA would never get any kind of majority in Israel elections. Never! If a politician in Israel would officially say what those ZOA people are saying and lobbying, their party would not even get 10% of all votes, and most of those votes would they get by a certain religious sect only. ZOA isn’t Israel. This is a zionist organisation and a great majority of people living in Israel are actually embarrassed about their activities and about what they are saying and doing all the time.
They don’t represent Israel but their own business interests only. They are “Zion for their own Money”. However, they would never openly confirm that.
Tim V
The problem is, we don’t have anything !
Every scenario has to be looked at.
WBM “press release” is just that. It’s not a statement. It’s not under oath. If asked to OR wanted to, he can alter the his recollections of the events of that afternoon if he so wishes.
The BBC aren’t the police !
Witnesses are often unreliable with regards to recalling events.
Be that audio or visual recollections.
We have “timings” given by the police (3.15pm and 3.48pm) and you can take them as you find them. Believe them …or not.
We have a series of pictures of the crime scene.
However was permission granted for that “over fly”.
We do have what would appear to be a rather specialist accountant.
Remember
“It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. It biases the judgment”.
And to be fair, we don’t have much “evidence” of anything !
1 + 1 = 2 Quite apt !
Bluebird – David Irving actually predicts that at some point Americans has had enough of it, and that they are going to purge them, like the Nazis did. But hopefully they will confine themselves to purging those in the Media and in Politics, because it is indeed rotten – also for the rest of us [I have honest and hardworking countrymen living in Iowa, and som most of us have in some strate or other]. We all have a stake and a share in America, and it is painful to see one tiny, tiny group stealing large swats of the foreign policy agenda of the worlds sole superpower. All this has come to a head after 9/11, where Israel skilfully managed to allign its own cracking down on the perfectly legitimate resistance-fight of the Palestinians, who are just doing what is indeed the duty of any honest. self-respecting people under occupation,- with the wider so called War on Terror (sic), American slang for what in English would be termed something like Assault against terrorism, provided that any decent living englishman would put such blabber into his mouth.
John J. Mearsheimer from Chicago University — who is Steve’s senior (in every way) — is perhaps the most courageous of the two.
He was not afraid to give a speech just after a bloke suggested that Israel killed John F. Kennedy![Because Kennedy wanted to prevent Israel in getting nuclear weapons]. Pretty explosive stuff, even by your token, Bluebird, or what do you say.
I love John, because the word is free in america, and what this bloke had to say before John’s speech could neither contract or add to what John had to say. Of course John’s speech was much more sober, but nevertheless in its own way rather groundbraking, at least for me. It was the first time that I hears from such an autoritative source, that Israel in effect had used nuclear blackmail in October 1973 against The United States of America, and I gather that this still will be news to most people out there [hence my link]
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27 Nov, 2012 – 8:14 am your solutions to the telephone problem don’t solve it. First WBM if we are to believe him doesn’t say he sent a message and then found he had no signal he says after he did all that running about, moving bodies and first aid, he got his mobile phone out. In his interview he twice specificall refers to his phone. On neither does he say he managed even to type in the emergency number (whatever it is)let alone send voice or text message. He says (quote)
“I decided to pull out my phone and call the resue services.” This is when he discovers “of all the moments to have no signal on your mobile phone – that was it” And: “ And then from the point that I was unable to get a phone signal faced with a dilemma what to do with the young girl”.
If there was no phone signal it is unlikely the transmitting stations would be unable to locate him either. We are forced to conclude that only Didierjean managed to phone and this later than 3.48. Indeed Didierjean in his Parisien reported statement even suggests that his call to emergency services was not when they officially met but AFTER they had revisited the scene. He says (quote Google translate)
“I immediately understood, he says. I approached the car. I have not touched anything but I saw that there was nothing more to do. There was no sign of life. “He says he then considered a” little girl. ” “She did not answer our calls. I typed in the hands, but she did not react. I even said a few words in English, because I saw that the car was registered in Britain. But nothing happened. For me, it was dead. “A few seconds later, it goes down a few meters to call the fire department. Recorded by the first call for help, which arrived a few minutes later.”
Note Didierjean confirms his was the first call for help, that he had to travel back down the hill to make it and that was AFTER their time-consuming trip by car and on foot the 3/400 yards back to the layby and checking the condition of Zainab and the others. Also that he says he called the Sapuers for some reason and that they arrived in “minutes”.
Not only, if Didierjean is to be relied upon at all does this make his first call well well past the 3.48, the almost immediate arrival of the emergency services virtually proves they were notified by someone other than these two.
one possibility that we’ve not really dicussed is Mollier making the 3.48 call. However if he did it would push his death past that time which conflicts with the sound of gunfire at 3 30. For him to have been alarm-raiser either the call would have to be made much earlier or the shooting much later, neither of which fit. But why did Didier (I think) say they searched his body/clothes? Was it for his mobile?