The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Q.
Are you confusing Saad with Kadhim , I thought the account was fathers & the reason it was untouched was because probate was still underway ?
Q
Not sure about the melting of the car in photo 2 of 72 here:-
http://www.thetowntalk.com/article/BG/20121112/NEWS/121112012/
Q
Re “Major William Martin” !
Well it wasn’t that “one” they eventually used.
They used another body.
The US Navy (I recall) had ops off Scotland.
It was from there…after a late call, that the body came from.
That body had actually drowned. Which was quite lucky.
I think the “film” showed it differently.
But it wasn’t correct.
@Straw44berry: The hood appears to be gone in that photo, but the vehicle does not resemble a melted marshmallow, as described in the article from 15 years ago. Those in the garage in one of the houses closest to the impact zone are still easy to recognize as the vehicles they are. Other vehicles very near the impact zone seem untouched. Very odd.
“The defense ties between Israel and the United States are stronger and tighter than they have ever been and the credit now has to go, most of it, to you, Leon,” Barak said while greeting Panetta at the Israeli defense headquarters in Jerusalem.
Panetta reiterated Barak’s comments. “We are a friend, we are a partner, we have, as the defense minister has pointed out, probably the strongest U.S.-Israel defense relationship that we have had in history. What we are doing, working together, is an indication not only of our friendship but of our alliance to work together to try to preserve peace in the future.” 1.8.12
Katie…
“it was untouched was because probate was still underway ?”
Think about that statement please !
Why would “that” account NOT be included in probate !!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financial-crime/9250813/British-aristocrat-linked-to-Sergei-Magnitsky-case.html
Mochyn, there are deep links to the UK (Surrey) as well as to Dubai when following up your link. Plus, that one British guy is apparently the director of 500 UK letter box companies ….. we’ve had that before, hadn’t we?
@ Mochyn69
28 Nov, 2012 – 3:05 pm and your reference to the ex Iranian ambassadour to Jordon incarcerated since 2006 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/nov/27/uk-court-extradition-iranian-us) could this be the first sign British Government reacting to the Al Hilli killings knowing who was behind them. A sort of OK we may be on the same side but if you are going to engage in assassination of our assets without involving us in the decicision you can go F*** yourself that we’ll play ball on extradition.” I know our courts are quite independent but you know how things work. A little word between two old Etonians over a sherry in the club….
James,
Apart from one too many ‘was’, nothing is wrong with the statement , I think it’s clear from that, that the account was included in the probate………which is why it was untouched !
Let me spell it out, it could not be touched for two reasons:
1] probate had not been concluded = monies could not be released
2] probate had not been concluded ‘because’ Saad had inserted a caveat / block on the proceedings, meaning it was probably going to be a disputed in court.
I do find you tend to keep going over old ground James, maybe your memory is not so good..
Mochyn and Tim.
The U.S. love their “Sting Ops”. Makes them feel good.
They also love supplying weapons to “people” …and buying them with cash made from drug sales.
Ya just got to love them there americans !
@ Mochyn69
28 Nov, 2012 – 3:14 pm
“Swiss prosecutors opened an investigation earlier this year into a number of accounts at Credit Suisse after Hermitage Capital Management passed them a file of evidence that was said to implicate the Russian officials.
A source with knowledge of the investigation told The Independent: “Perepilichnyy was the guy who brought all the evidence they needed to open the investigation.
“He brought with him records of shell companies, Credit Suisse accounts, property transactions. The whole lot.”
Hermitage Capital had been one of the largest foreign investors in Russia until it fell victim to a complex £144 million tax fraud scheme involving tax officials and others from the Ministry of Interior.”http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9707569/Russian-supergrass-dies-in-mysterious-circumstances.html
Familiar themes here as well. Possession of papers that throw light on illegal money transactions. Swiss accounts becoming public. State officials covering their backs. Sophisticated methods of assassination. Using the law to silence those revealing the truth. It’s a corrupt jungle out there but paradoxically no-one wants to admit to it.
Literally billions of dollars went missing in Iraq and never traced. First there was the oil for food programme ostensibly supervised by the UN (son of Sec Gen – how convenient) and then 12 billion inexplicably “distributed” by the US in 2003
“Between April 2003 and June 2004, $12 billion in U.S. currency—much of it belonging to the Iraqi people—was shipped from the Federal Reserve to Baghdad, where it was dispensed by the Coalition Provisional Authority. Some of the cash went to pay for projects and keep ministries afloat, but, incredibly, at least $9 billion has gone missing, unaccounted for, in a frenzy of mismanagement and greed.” http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/10/iraq_billions200710
There can be no doubt that the US in concert with other powers, intentionally supervised the systematic destruction of Iraqi society whilst claiming to be creating “freedom”. The bombing of the infrastructure, five hundred child deaths from starvation and lack of medicines, and targetted assassination by affiliated groups of academics, none of which has ever been solved, has put Iraq back generations and fulfilled the US government’s threat “to bomb the country back into the stone age” repeated in threats to Pakistan and Iran, were implimented.
Rather ironically the deaths of the Al Hilli’s, an extension of this mayhem, has caused more debate than the hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq. We get quite worked up when it starts happening on home turf. Let’s hope if nothing else the Al Hilli operation will have the desired result of turning the spotlight on essentially the US/Israeli nexus as it turns its attention to doing the same to Iran.
@ James
28 Nov, 2012 – 3:44 pm I believe the blue tarp. (note NOT the one used to wrap the car) covers either Mollier’s body or the bike. As the car is empty of bodies by then (if they were there) one would assume Mollier has been removed at the same time. And as the bike is on the flat bed when it leaves the combe, my money is the tarp is covering that to keep it as “sterile” as possible. However as you say no sign of it when car or tarp in later photo when car being manoeuvred, so I assume by then it’s been moved off camera before being loaded onto the lorry and wrapped for dispatch.
Incredible as it may seem:
“Forty pallets of cash, weighing 30 tons, were loaded that day. The tractor-trailer turned back onto Route 17 and after three miles merged onto a southbound lane of the New Jersey Turnpike, looking like any other big rig on a busy highway. Hours later the truck arrived at Andrews Air Force Base, near Washington, D.C. There the seals on the truck were broken, and the cash was off-loaded and counted by Treasury Department personnel. The money was transferred to a C-130 transport plane. The next day, it arrived in Baghdad.
That transfer of cash to Iraq was the largest one-day shipment of currency in the history of the New York Fed. It was not, however, the first such shipment of cash to Iraq. Beginning soon after the invasion and continuing for more than a year, $12 billion in U.S. currency was airlifted to Baghdad, ostensibly as a stopgap measure to help run the Iraqi government and pay for basic services until a new Iraqi currency could be put into people’s hands. In effect, the entire nation of Iraq needed walking-around money, and Washington mobilized to provide it.”
There is very little discussion on the combined effect of this and the hundreds of billions it has cost to pursue war in Iraq and Afghanistan on the gigantic banking crash of 2008. There is literally hundreds of billions of illicit drug and war money floating around the world, and people ready to kill to keep it hidden. In the end it is tax payers who eventually pay for it. This http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/11/28/afghanistan-bank-fraud.html being only the latest example.
“28 Nov, 2012 – 12:45 pm
“Pay attention, dear. He didn’t succeed in gagging the Hawai’i Free Press.”
Did I mention Hawaii , Mochyn…………’dear’ ?
I think you are mistaken, once again………do stop dissembling & making things up, not at any time have I said the man succeeded in gagging the entire media world,clearly he didn’t because links can be found I have dozens !!!
Sorry chum, once again you are hell bent on being petty.
I shall no longer be addressing you.
Q
28 Nov, 2012 – 3:45 pm
“With the help of the renowned pathologist Sir Bernard Spilsbury, Montagu and his team determined what kind of body they needed: a man who appeared to have died at sea by hypothermia and drowning, and then floated ashore after several days. However, finding a usable body seemed almost impossible, as indiscreet inquiries would cause talk, and it was impossible to tell a dead man’s next of kin what the body was wanted for. Under quiet pressure, Bentley Purchase, coroner of St. Pancras District in London, obtained the body of a 34-year old Welsh man named Glyndwr Michael, on the condition that the man’s real identity would never be revealed. The man had died after taking in rat poison which contained phosphorus. After being ingested, the phosphide reacts with hydrochloric acid in the human stomach, generating phosphine, a highly toxic gas. Coroner Purchase explained, “This dose was not sufficient to kill him outright, and its only effect was so to impair the functioning of the liver that he died a little time afterwards”, leaving few clues to the cause of death. Montagu later claimed the man died from pneumonia, and that the family had been contacted and permission obtained, but none of this was true. The dead man’s parents had died and no known relatives were found.[6]
The next step was creating a “legend” – a synthetic identity for the dead man. He became “Captain (Acting Major) William “Bill” Martin, Royal Marines”,[6] born 1907, in Cardiff, (Wales), and assigned to Headquarters, Combined Operations.
Has anyone commented on the fact that most renowned case of British counter-intelligence it was a WILLIAM MARTIN who starred? Could it be that our WBM, his William bit conveniently unused initially, is a figment of MI5/6’s imagination – a nom de plume (How useful is the French language in such matters?) or just another coincidence?
@BB: Do you mean this Harman?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harman_International_Industries
http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Newscenter/Pages/HARMANAcquiresVoiceCommunicationsInnovatorMWMAcoustics.aspx#.ULZyfIawVPQ
http://harmanhighperformance.blogspot.ca/
Isn’t that something?
of course that should have read
There can be no doubt that the US in concert with other powers, intentionally supervised the systematic destruction of Iraqi society whilst claiming to be creating “freedom”. The bombing of the infrastructure, five hundred THOUSAND child deaths from starvation and lack of medicines, and targetted assassination by affiliated groups of academics, none of which has ever been solved, has put Iraq back generations and fulfilled the US government’s threat “to bomb the country back into the stone age” repeated in threats to Pakistan and Iran, were implimented.
In 2005, Kevin Kellems went to work for the World Bank:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/kevin-kellems/a/315/680
http://www.brettonwoodsproject.org/art-507717
http://criminalstate.com/2009/04/jane-harman-and-haim-saban%E2%80%94their-treason-may-not-be-what-you-think/
Jane Harman is the widow of Sidney Harman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Harman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harman_International_Industries
Kevin Kellems works as Chief of Strategy & Marketing at Stray Light Optical Technologies, whose former employee/founder was the late Dion Longworth of Indianapolis. Longworth was working at Indy Audio Labs in Indiana as an engineer at the time of his death.
http://www.dealerscope.com/article/indy-audio-labs-longworth-dies-25055174/1
Klipsch and Harman are competitors.
Q
That is a great find.
So Harman and Longwood were strong competitors. Probably they were the only competitors in the USA for amplifiers.
Of course, sid harman died 1 year ago. We should find out more about the new Harman boss. He seems to have a colourful life.
@ bluebird 28 Nov, 2012 – 11:47 am
“NR : The Karnabe company website in Lebanon is not “black”.
It just takes ages to load and it is a flash website. You need a flash player to load it. It is worth. It looks like the Onassis wrbsite. Must be a pretty rich family. They could easily pay the $ 350.000 for Susan’s lawsuit order and of course her lawyer when she injured that prominent jewish family with her car in NY in 2007.”
Thanks. It didn’t say, “Enable Flash” so I thought they’d scrubbed it. I’ll look later when I have Flash available.
NR
Meanwhile i know that Mansour Karnabe is not his uncle but his father.
His father changed his name in the USA to Victor Said Carnaby.
His real name is Mansour Karnabe, the Lebanese Onassis from Beirut.
All the Mansours change names like trousers. Roland Carnaby’s son adopted the name “Bonomo” as his new surname. He is a NYPD police officer.
However, Mansour Karnabe is 100% his father. Thanks to the ancestry database!
Here is another website with the same Carnaby life story but with photos .
http://www.newsfollowup.com/cia_premel_ap_timeline.htm#2001
@BB: I thought you’d ask:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_Paliwal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABB_Group
http://www.abb.com/cawp/seitp202/c1256c290031524bc125673100226653.aspx
http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/current_topic/archive/details_1572.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%89LIN
Soldier of the future.
Q
Everything what we are finding points to the same names.
Pilkington’s THALES group, BAE systems, ….
Did you see that Donald Rumsfeld was a former ABB board member?
Then we have Wallenberg at ABB, too. Everything points into military industry, intelligence services and a hand full of families who are in control of so called democracy.
NR
Now I am not sure whether the flash site is the correct website. There are some wrong links to websites in the lebanese company directories.
Here is a non flash site but only a headline of the company.
http://www.5index.com/5index_results_activity.aspx?id=69990
@ Q 28 Nov, 2012 – 8:25 pm
“@BB: Do you mean this Harman?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harman_International_Industries
http://www.harman.com/EN-US/Newscenter/Pages/HARMANAcquiresVoiceCommunicationsInnovatorMWMAcoustics.aspx#.ULZyfIawVPQ
http://harmanhighperformance.blogspot.ca/
Isn’t that something?”
Yes, they are the same Harmans. Did you notice he was born in Montreal? He was the person who bought Newsweek magazine for $1 and assumed 47 million in debt. I’m guessing it was a nostalgic/philanthropic gesture to keep an old, loyal mainstream media brand alive for a bit longer. Newsweek was the one that spiked the story of Monica Lewinsky’s blue dress to protect Clinton. Their outraged reporter leaked the story to Drudge.
Q
28 Nov, 2012 – 3:45 pm “Operation Mincemeat, “Major William Martin””
“Slaughter of Horses – William Brett Martin” Coincidences Coincidences.
@BB: Yes, the names keep coming up here. Thanks for pointing out Rumsfeld. The Swedish connection is interesting, too.
And Montreal!
The Trilateral Commission membership included Sidney Harman and Paul Desmarais:
http://www.nndb.com/org/247/000043118/
Click on the link for the most recent list.
More on Donald Rumsfeld and ABB:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/may/09/nuclear.northkorea
Sidney Harman rubbed elbows with some interesting people at the Aspen Institute:
http://www.aspeninstitute.org/about/remembering-sidney-harman
http://www.aspeninstitute.org/about/leadership
Now back to Chevaline.