The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Q
Wallenberg owns everything.
Astra Zeneca, Elekta, Bofors, ….
That’s all Wallenberg. It is said that even Kofi Annan is married to a Wallenberg (not confirmed).
Raoul Wallenberg became a hero for all Jews in 1944 when he saved the lives of more than 100.000 Jews from Budapest, amongst those lifes saved were a part of the Herskowitz family.
There is a Wallenberg foundation in America.
http://www.raoulwallenberg.org/aboutus_leadership.htm.html
For those into history there is something about Raoul Wallenberg
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/wallenberg.html
The Wallenbergs are the richest and most powerful family in Sweden.
I am not surprised at all that they were in the same team with Rumsfeld and Harman.
More on the Wallenberg family
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=230491.0
When you search the internet for “nane wallenberg” you’ll find much more. Some bloggers that i dont want to link here talking very negatively and slandering about the wallenbergs as mass murders and heroin smugglers, but find those links yourself if you wish.
This is an excellent link. There is a LOT to read but it is excellent and detailed with lots of evidence.
I found it because i was searching for Wallenberg perhaps funding EAP and Larouche. Answer:YES.
This link explains a lot about the Larouche movement, its links to C IA, about EAP, about the Palme assassination, weapon deal, smuggling and financing.
It also explains why there are different CIA organisations often fighting and killing each other.
Worth investing the time reading that. You will learn a lot and you will read a lot of names already common and known to us in the alHilli reaserch.
Much recommended!
http://www.leopoldreport.com/LRsajt89.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/28/russian-whistleblower-second-postmortem
Location is eight minutes away from the Old Burhill Golf Course. Please disregard if already posted.
@ bluebird 29 Nov, 2012 – 1:14 am
“This is an excellent link. There is a LOT to read but it is excellent and detailed with lots of evidence. Much recommended!”
It is good. The first I’ve seen that explicitly connects LaRouche to the CIA.
[I know somebody, a devout leftist, anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-CIA, who came upon the LaRouchians at a street table, and was an instant convert, distributing the EIR in his shop. I hope he never reads this and finds he’s working, unpaid, for the CIA! 🙂 ]
@ Q 29 Nov, 2012 – 2:44 am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/28/russian-whistleblower-second-postmortem
“Location is eight minutes away from the Old Burhill Golf Course. Please disregard if already posted.”
This time anyway they have a fresh body. Remember one conjecture that the reason Gareth Williams was done in was ’cause he’d come up with software to track Russian mobster’s money laundering.
Wasn’t Burhill Golf Course operated by the company that Zaid al Hilli worked for?
Quick, we can write a new TV series for the British ITV network: TOWIS – ” The Only Way Is Surrey” filled with spies, lasers, satellites, zirconium, Saddam’s gold and diamonds, Russian mobsters their money, their snitches, polonium and plutonium.
@Bluebird
29 Nov, 2012 – 1:14 am
Hadn’t seen that before. Very interesting.
Lyndon LaRouche, formerly Lynn Marcus .. say, isn’t that an Irish name??
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/secret-state-confirmed.html?m=1
SECRET STATE – CONFIRMED
[In answer to a question] The then UK Foreign Secretary, Mr. Jack Straw, replied: “Unless we all start to believe in conspiracy theories and that the officials are lying, that I am lying, that behind this there is some kind of secret state which is in league with some dark forces in the United States…”
“There simply is no truth in the claims that the United Kingdom had been involved in rendition”.
Jack Straw NOW confirms the existence of the UK “Secret State in League with Dark Forces in the United States”
Why are we all still engaging in the fiction of rendition? Especially in these troubling economic times, would it not be wise to repatriate the torture industry? Well paying jobs for the torturer community, now unhappily working as baristas.
In Europe, vacant dungeons once again fully staffed. In North America, facilities established in empty strip mall shops, with unpleasant noises explained away as a karaoke bar. A much reduced carbon footprint too, having only to escort clients down the street instead of across the world. 🙂
Katie, with regard to your Auchi scenario – that would go with a mafia-like “Agency 3” in my layout of the involved parties. I see no reason to eliminate that from the running, any more than the “extraction” scenario. The problem for you is that you still to run through the logical sequence of tthere being two other agencies – 1 that are the brits and 2 that are the french. As I tried to analyse earlier, and Tim V added some good pointers – no matter what scenario or which agency you pick for number 3, you have to explain the following:
1. Agency 3 (cf Killers) having huge power over both 1 and 2, ie. they can hold them from doing or proceeding according to their own national interests.
2. Moreover, Agency 3 has power over the US that may or may not be working in cahoots with 1 and/or 2.
3. There has to be a motivation somewhere for the cover-up that we are all witnessing – basically bringing 3 countries to heel. Mind you, money alone and little corruption just ain’t enough to explain that, and a few Billion thios way or that way make little difference to the US for example. After all their deficit alone is close to $7trillion so what’s a few Billion among friends (or thieves)?
4. There has to be some rational for why there at the martinet and not somewhere else, more convenient and less likely to raise eye-brows. We are all struggling with this one.
5. Finally, me thinks you may put the cart before the horse by zeroing on one possible perpetrator without systematically trying to account for all the little puzzling details: the timeline which falls apart (see Tim V’s analysis and Olifant), the kids left alive, the huge delays by the crime investigators, the presence of WBM, the complete absence of photos for the victims and, of course, Mollier’s potential role.
It’s your scenario so you should try to go through the analysis. Otherwise it’s like the Hershkovitz scenario – same kind of putting cart before horse.
IMO, several people here have done a bang-up job of eliminating implausibilities and logical inconsistencies so that the possible scenarios did indeed converge to just a few theories none of which fits everything perfectly (including the one I – and others tried to advance). . yes, there is an impass as to what actually transpiredd because people have gone as far as logic based on the few facts available could take them. But progress has been made.
One of the impossible options eliminated for example is the “lone crazed gunman”. That one fits the fewest of what’s known, surmised and logically intuited. Yet that’s the one poor EM is trying to advance now. He must be at his wits end, poor fellow.
@Marlin
A very good point. Very well put.
@NR
Good idea.
But just think of the unemployment in pilots and first officers !
No one wants to go flying in Africa again to get your hours up.
Probably unrelated and from 2008, but …
Driving a BMW could end with 2 bullets in your head ….
The way of how he was killed is quite similar, isnt it?
Sorry forgot the link for my above post
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/10/ireland.russia
Katie…
You say….
1] probate had not been concluded = monies could not be released
2] probate had not been concluded ‘because’ Saad had inserted a caveat / block on the proceedings, meaning it was probably going to be a disputed in court.
AND you add a “wee” insult directed at me !
“I do find you tend to keep going over old ground James, maybe your memory is not so good..”
I find you tend to “run away” with things alittle too much dear!
Your knowledge of “probate” “Wills” and “Inheritance” within English Law is sadly lacking. Then again you do live in a “dream world” so that’s fine I guess.
Therefore I will try to explain in …in simple terms !!!!
In your “explanation” you forget that All correspondence between SAH and the bank would have to be Notarised and Legalised.
Firstly this would mean that straight away SAH would be in conflict with HMRC, but also the Swiss authorities.
Secondly any “legal” person involved would then have to consider their responsiblities with regard the Money Laundering Regulations 2007, the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002, Terrorism Act 2000.
Thirdly…you’re a loon !
Would it not be safer to “assume” that this account(s) were NOT part of KAH’s “Will” ????
Marlin,
I have given my theory over & over….in detail which tied up all the loose ends, if I did leave a leaf unturned it surely wouldn’t take too much intelligence to work it out,if you can’t remember then that’s your problem,like James who needs to be reminded all the time like he ‘forgot’ about the important papers.
Sorry if you need it spelt out again in capital letters but I’m not a pedant or one for writing long wandering comments.
Tim is fanatical about the timing, the minutiae & writes at length, I see this as a waste of time because all you’re doing is calling every witness or who has spoken ‘a liar’, this fanaticism does nothing on finding the motive.
Wading through some of the repetitive stuff here is like trying to wade through blancmange.
I have given a sound motive & a reason why I believe this to be the case, but sorry I did fail to detail what the family ate for their last meal , but unlike you, it seems, I have other thinks to do.
That is clearly idiotic James, according to you when someone dies their bank account is not included in their estate !……………..insults don’t work either.
I suggest you go back to the drawing board.
Kookie…
I quote
“….according to you when someone dies their bank account is not included in their estate !”
I give up !
You clearly know I am refering to a “specific” bank account, not “a” bank account….but I’ll let you play your weird game.
I have tried to expalin this issue to you, but to no avail.
Also I note other posters try to correct you “distortions” of reality…alas they also fail
Best let you crack on.
You truly miss the point Jimmé.
How in your little world does a son get access to a Swiss bank account when his father dies ?
Tell us.
Kookie…
According to you, the account is in “Probate”.
I haven’t said that the account was touched or untouched.
I simply do not know.
However, since YOU consider the matter has in someway “gone legal” as part of the KAH/SAH estate, please explain….
Given that All correspondence between SAH and the “SWISS” bank to be Notarised and Legalised in your “scenario” can you please explain to me…
A. How this is to be achieved with regard THIS SPECIFIC SWISS BANK ACCOUNT….
And B. the following RELEVANT issues that would arise
1. Conflict with HMRC.
2. Conflict with Swiss banking authorities.
3. Conflict with the Money Laundering Regulations 2007.
4. Conflict with the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002,
5. Conflict with Terrorism Act 2000.
Oh Gawd I can see you are one who will never admit to being wrong !
Do some homework instead of this ranting.
Basic Principles of Inheritance
Unity of succession
The Swiss system is based on the principle of unity of succession: that is, the estate probated at the place of last domicile of the deceased covers his assets worldwide. This means that there is no legal necessity for Swiss authorities to get involved in an estate probated abroad, even if there are assets in Switzerland.
Recognition of foreign decisions
Pursuant to Article 96 of the Private International Law Act, foreign decisions, measures and documents concerning an estate probated abroad will be recognized in Switzerland, in particular if they were rendered in the last country of residence of the deceased.
This would apply to the grant of probate issued by an English court. As a consequence, an English executor validly appointed under English law should be able to act in Switzerland and deal with any Swiss assets of the estate. There is no need for a judicial procedure to enforce the executor’s powers in Switzerland. In addition, it seems that English law itself accepts the idea of having English executors deal with assets located abroad.
Only if a third party is involved…would there be complications.
Now accept that because I’m finished with it.
http://www.internationallawoffice.com/newsletters/Detail.aspx?g=fc2b3865-e7f2-461d-9963-d54d10f0fb5c
Kookie.
One word….. Unbelievable !
“The law of that state in which the deceased was domiciled”.
I suspect therefore English law.
So I ask AGAIN how would the correspondence between SAH and The Swiss Bank account holder be Notarised and Legalised (this a requirement within English Law) ?
Further, how would the conflicts which would then arise be dealt with (again, the various acts within English Law) ????
P.S. Don’t “cut n paste” something, without understanding how it is applied.
@ bluebird 29 Nov, 2012 – 8:12 am
“Probably unrelated and from 2008, but …
Driving a BMW could end with 2 bullets in your head ….
The way of how he was killed is quite similar, isnt it?”
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/10/ireland.russia
Hmmmm? Estepona, Malaga, Costa del Sol, home away from home to Irish and Russian mobsters, whence Richard Smyth and wife fled after indictment for selling export restricted kryton nuclear triggers to Israel, and where Kadhim al Hilli retired.
Did he, by chance, so anger Russian or Irish mobsters enough that they later take vengeance on his heirs? Like, were they all involved in money laundering / weapons / drug dealing that went wrong?
http://www.laopiniondemalaga.es/malaga/2012/09/11/kadhim-hilli-millonario-discreto/532905.html
Some new points in above I hadn’t seen: Kadhim was very polite and discrete; Zaid was in Malaga trying to sell Kadhim’s flat; Both sons visited him many times each year; He was in bad health, looked after by a Moroccan caretaker; on one of their visits they found him dehydrated and fired the caretaker; his son Saad was with him when he died.
On another topic: Both Kadhim and Nadhimi say they fled Iraq after falling out with Saddam – family members tortured or killed. What else would they say? They can’t tell people, “Oh, Saddam is my best bud. He’s given me hundreds of millions in cash, gold and diamonds to stash around Europe for him.”
NR
there is a possibility that Kadhim was close to smuggling (oil for food) and/or perhaps even drug smuggling for Hezbollah and Hamas. Of course he wasn’t the guy for the direct work and perhaps he had never seen any drugs nor the weapons, but he was – whatever he had done – responsible for the financials and accounting only.
There is a direct link to Hussein alla Mohammad who signed his death papers, who is a member of that Spanish money transfer agency. This agency has some kind of connections to scammers. Their headquarters are in 155, Notting Hill Gate, London. That Manchaster guy who tried to access Saad al Hillis accounts has some ties to that money transfer company.
It could well be that some kind of money transfer companies (I don’t say here that it was this one!) are always being used for money laundering. It’s the easiest way to launder money by terms of small donations for mosques, social associations, clubs, mosques, churches, etc.
Names and addresses of those who donate are being collected by internet scammers and internet phishers. It’s $ 100,– there and $ 250 then, but 2000 times a week by different people. There are never 1 million dollars being transferred at once since that amount would create attention by fiscal authorities.
So we have Kadhim as the grand SIR of money organisation in Spain with his knighzt Hussein alla Mohammad plus we have that Spanish money transfer system with its headquarters in London, 155, Notting Hill Gate. That is what we know for sure. We also know that Nigerian scammers are linked to that Spanish money transfer company.
Then we know that a lot of Arab members/shareholders of that Malaga money transfer company have strong ties into tha Malaga Airport Cargo. Some of them even working at Malaga airport Cargo. We all know what a Cargo on an airport is actually doing.
So you have those guys linked to the money transfer company PLUS directly linked to the Malaga Airport Cargo. That we know for sure and it has already been approved.
So then, let’s do some conspiracy now:
Kadhim is the SIR of laundering that money for CIA drug and weaponry deals into CIA entitites of Arab countries.
Of course there also the mobsters in Malaga and after his death there had certainly to be changes in the system of money laundering. Perhaps some local Russian or Iraqi or London mobsters weren’t paid after he had died? Perhaps they wanted to get their money Kadhim owed them but Saad didn’t want to give them the money? Was that reason of the inheritance dispute? If so, then it was about money.
There are also always some signatures when certain entities are committing assassinations:
FSB uses poison or tasers causing “natural death”.
Mossad would likely have used a car bomb.
Mobsters’ professional killers are using old weapons, particularly unregistered ones and they shoot as much ammunition as they can shoot during a certain time (not unlike Chicago 1930).
CIA and MI6 use most likely guns, but they are most unlikely commited into mass-executions. They could easily arrest their enemies, particularly when they were involved in money laundering and tax fraud. They would just kill somebody when he 1) would work for the other side or 2) when he would know something that would cause danger for national security or 3) when they were blackmailed.
A not so unlikely scenario would be drug smuggler mobsters (Russian mafia?) requesting their money to be paid what the late Kadhim perhaps still did owe them and what Saad perhaps didn’t want to pay them.
BB, you have it there, Mobsters using old guns, it fits perfectly with the Chicago connection here, nothing could be simpler for someone with global contacts to find a paid assassin.
Personally unless the French are reading this blog I don’t think they will ever get as far as seeing the connection with the States.
I have been connected with the French & their ways for nearly 50 years & I can tell you that they lack imagination, once they have a way of doing something that’s it & how often have I heard the words ‘It’s the French way’ from a French person ? I couldn’t begin to count.
I doubt there’s anything but a ‘to do’ list for cases, no brain storming meetings, it’s all a bit robotic & 2 hour lunches.
Q
Here is an excellent video regarding the background of “your” Russian Surrey whistleblower death, explaining the details of the tax fraud and of that mafia very well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL9b5LP4Ubc
What connection with The States ???
Chicago ? Old guns ?
Case closed. Well done Kookie !!!!
Bluebird
29 Nov, 2012 – 1:14 am
“The LaRouche movement carried out a massive disinformation campaign to undermine Olof Palme’s position and credibility, and after the murder to sabotage the investigation.
In the mid eighties, the CIA and the NSC in the White House carried out the Iran/Contra operations that included illegal arms trade and secret warfare. The operations were revealed by the US Congress in November, 1986, and later branded as criminal.
If Olof Palme in his capacity as the United Nations’ mediator in the war between Iran and Iraq had been made aware of these shady transactions – and he probably was – in the fall of 1985, when rumours about arms sales to the US enemy Iran began circulating, and if he had reported this to his superior, the UN Secretary General Pérez de Cuéllar, this monumental political scandal could have toppled the Reagan administration. Here, we find a very strong motive (among several others) to “neutralize” Olof Palme.
In this series of articles, we show that the actions against Olof Palme were governed by the CIA’s well-established external apparatus that consisted of a large number of individuals and private organizations in a dense network – what we call the parallel system. Such a parallel system is designed to protect the parent organization. This is a guiding principle for construction of an intelligence organization.” http://www.leopoldreport.com/LRsajt89.html
Note similarities with Al Hillis.
@BB: How is it that the Costa del Sol incident is an assassination for certain, despite the numerous similarities with Chevaline that make it a “lone nutter” incident? I see more similarities than dissimilarities. Green is a popular color choice for vehicles in these incidents.
@NR: “Surrey” could be the upmarket “Eastenders” for a new generation of BBC viewers. St. George’s Hill has the glitter and glamor of names like Ringo Starr, John Lennon, Elton John and Shilpa Shetty, mixed in with the Russians, squatters in a mansion and a crime surge. BBC will probably jump on this idea after reading it here, in order to reel in much-needed new TV audiences. They need to do something.
@James: I agree with you. A deposit box full of ill-gotten goods from a deceased dictator isn’t likely part of an estate. Proceeds of crime and all that.
@BB: Here is the story of a retired Chief Justice of the Tax Court of Canada, found murdered in his home:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alban_Garon
http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/28/condo-tightens-security-after-triple-murder
http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/28/senior-slayings-unsolved-5-years-later
Five years on, security is finally being beefed up, but the case remains unsolved. One blogger has definite views on the story, which he claims has to do with Airbus:
http://dandeilgat.blogspot.ca/2010/12/alban-garon-murder.html
Background info: an unprecedented inquiry into corruption in Quebec has been going on
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/quebec-corruption-inquiry-focuses-on-dealings-at-exclusive-club/article5749675/
A new development yesterday:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/ex-boss-of-snc-lavalin-arrested-by-quebec-anti-corruption-unit-1.1057201
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/28/arrest-of-snc-lavalins-former-ceo-raises-alarming-questions-on-hospital-construction-contract/
The story reaches into Libya and Switzerland. I see Russia dragged in now, too. What is it with oncologists in the news these days?
Q
That box….and cash.
He could still have the cash there. His problem is, he can’t get it.
There is no way “legally” he can get the cash.
The regulations are so strict, no “lawyer” would go near it.
There are other “accounts” that rely on a “pay book” system. The holder of the “paybook” is the one with the “cash” so to speak.
That system is used if you rent somewhere and you have to give a deposit, BUT you don’t want to pay the landlord.
You pay the cash in…and give him the pay book (or pass book).
He can’t get it…but has control.
You can’t get it..as he has the “book”
It’s the “kind of” way that the Knights Templar worked when the pilgrams went abroad and need cash.
They’d give him the money, and he’d give them a “letter”.
At the other side (and without being rolled for your cash) you present the letter…and someone else pays you that amount.
It’s an effective way of “banking”.
Built on a network. The network trusting each other.
Bluebird
29 Nov, 2012 – 8:19 am
“But around 2pm last Monday, Doyle finally met his match. He was travelling in the front passenger seat of a BMW 4X4 driven by one Gary Hutch. As Hutch drove the car towards La Cancelada outside Estepona they were ambushed. According to eyewitnesses two men from a green car opened fire, smashing the windscreen and hitting the passenger door. Hutch crashed the car and he and Doyle ran for cover.
What happened next demonstrated a clinical, military-style ruthlessness on behalf of the attackers. One of the gunmen singled out Doyle and shot him at least twice in the head. At least 13 bullets were fired at Doyle who died at the scene. A terrified Hutch, meanwhile, crouched in terror and waited until the gunmen had left before presenting himself at a local police station.
Reports back in Ireland tried to link Doyle’s murder to the feud between two criminal gangs that have been at war in the Crumlin-Drimnagh districts of south Dublin since 2001. However, a senior Garda officer and veteran of the force’s ‘Operation Anvil’ revealed the real identity of Doyle’s assassins – the Russian mafia.” http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/10/ireland.russia
method?