The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
On this phone tracking thing how would the friend have been getting a signal if there was no signal at the lay-by ?
It was in 1989 that some computer hackers were suspected of working with foreign intelligence agencies, including the Soviet KGB, to break into western defense computers. Through a link provided by the Chaos Computer Club, a group of German hackers — Karl Koch, aka “Hagbard;” Markus Hess, aka “Urmel;” Hans Heinrich Hubner, aka “Pengo;” and Dirk-Otto Brezinski, aka “DOB” – teamed up with hackers at Utrecht University in the Netherlands and in Melbourne, Australia to penetrate U.S. military computers.
It was Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory system administrator Clifford Stoll who first discovered the hackers’ portal into military computers — at the University of Bremen via the German DATEX-P network into Lawrence Berkeley via Tymnet and out into some 400 military computers from the Ramstein Airbase in Germany to Fort Buckner, Okinawa and the OPTIMIS database at the Pentagon. Koch, or “Hagbard,” was found burned to death with gasoline in a forest near Celle, West Germany in 1989. Police ruled the death a suicide.
In October 1998, another Chaos hacker, Boris Floriciz, aka “Tron,” was found hanging in a Berlin park. After treating the death as a suicide, police began to treat the death as a homicide after Stern magazine reported that Floriciz had been working for unsavory elements. Floriciz’s father reported that his son had been approached by intelligence agents who wanted the hacker to work for them.
In August 2001, Herwart Holland-Moritz, aka “Wau Holland,” one of the founders of Chaos, died at age 49 in Hamburg. Holland died after suffering a stroke. In 1987, Holland claimed that Chaos had obtained sensitive data on U.S. weapons systems from NASA VAX 11/785 computers linked to the Space Physics Analysis Network or SPAN.
In 1995, Jean-Bernard Condat, founder of the Chaos Computer Club of France, was discovered to be working for the French domestic intelligence agency, the Direction de la Surveillance du Territoire(DST). According to French investigative journalist Jean Guisnel, Condat began working for DST in 1989. Condat’s DST handler went by the cover name “Jean-Luc Delacour.”
In his book, “Guerres dans le Cyberespace, Internet et les Services Secrets,” Guisnel revealed: “Internet is controlled to the bone by such measures as turning around hackers, systematically bugging computer networks and manipulating newsgroups.”
In 2000, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), the international organization that assigns Internet domain names, elected Chaos’s Andy Mueller-Maguhn as a European regional director.
In 1998, Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu praised an 18 year-old Israeli hacker named Ehud Tenebaum, aka “The Analyzer,” who had hacked into Pentagon and NASA computer systems from Tel Aviv via a university modem in Sde Boker in southern Israel. Netanyahu said Tenebaum was “damn good.” The leader of the ViRii group, Tenebaum was detained by Israeli police along with two other Israeli hackers and an American, Calidan Levi Coffman of Carson, Washington. The FBI raided the homes of two teen ViRii members in Cloverdale, California but the Justice Department only sought probation in their criminal cases. Federal prosecutors went easy on the Israeli hacker ring even after Attorney General Janet Reno said the United States would treat computer intrusions as “serious crimes”.
Deputy Defense Secretary John Hamre said the ViRii attacks on the Pentagon were “the most organized and systematic attack” to date. Targeted by the Israelis were Pentagon personnel and payroll files. As with Assange’s deal with Australian intelligence, it was later reported that Tenebaum’s plea deal with Israeli authorities involved having him go to work for Israeli intelligence. Israel’s apologists in the corporate press likened ViRii’s hacking to tossing “electronic spitballs.”
from http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=7840&page=2
A lot of people seem to be dying from “Hacking Cough” and “Satellitis” to add to the more conventional Polonium Poisoning.
In an indication that Tenebaum’s continued his hacking for Israeli intelligence, in 2003, a New Zealand known as “VeNoMouS” was accused of maintaining links with Tenebaum and breaking into the India’s Bhabha Atomic Research Center in Mumbai. The hacking attack purged data and stole emails. There were reports that VeNoMouS and hackers linked to him were involved in hacking of Pakistan’s nuclear program computer systems.
The Pentagon’s cyber-security program, as previously reported by WMR, has been thoroughly penetrated at high-levels by Israeli agents-of-influence.
John P. Wheeler III, who, as assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force in the Bush administration and later at MITRE Corporation, was involved heavily in the Pentagon’s cyber-warfare program, was found dead in a Wilmington, Delaware landfill on December 30 last year.
In October 1990, as more and more U.S. government departments became cognizant of the threat posed by the Chaos hackers and their associates, a meeting of computer security officials from various agencies dealing with classified computer systems was held in a secure room at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. This editor took part in the meeting, representing the State Department’s Information System Security Division within the Bureau of Diplomatic Security. Present were representatives from the CIA, FBI, Commerce Department, Defense Department, DIA, and NSA.
The CIA was concerned about the KGB angle to the German Chaos gang and their hacker friends in the Netherlands and Australia. However, after about an hour back-and-forth, the lead FBI representative stood up, his brass belt buckle very prominent along with his gaudy double-knit suit, and assured all attendees that as a lead agent with the FBI’s Soviet counter-intelligence branch, he had “everything under control.” The name of the FBI agent was Robert Hanssen, arrested on February 18, 2001, for spying for 22 years for the Soviets and Russians.
@ http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=7840&page=2
Tim..
You need to be down as a “friend” on that system.
Its generally an “opt in” feature.
Pink…
It’s via satellite, not phone network.
Cerberus…. as previously mentioned.
“That’s where Cerberlink comes in. It’s a satellite device similar to the SPOT Messenger and other satellite rescue beacons. It allows you to send pre-drafted messages to friends, letting them know that you’re doing okay, and activate emergency rescue should you get into trouble – all at the push of a button.”
http://www.gizmag.com/briartek-cerberus-smartphone-satellite-rescue-beacon/21837/
CIA Part prog: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvRhUZnc7F0
Yup I got that James
2 Dec, 2012 – 6:36 pm – hence overcoming the coverage problems with the mobile phones i presume? Does it use the mobile handset or does it require separate transponder(?) The point is that if “friends” could access presumably clever national security geeks (as per article above) might get access covertly?
@james
Pink<–Phone challenged
So he could have been tracked by GPS and the phone should say who could do it unless it was hacked by a third party ?
Pink
Maybe. Not sure.
All
People here go on about “track” and “distress calls” as though they are “magic”. It doesn’t work that way.
I have an “old” watch I still wear for work, it can send a distress signal on 121.5 MHz. That’s a freq that has been/is phased out, but still monitored (over flying aircraft and ground stations), but 406mhz EPIRB. PLB, ELT would be more relevant for distress calls. I am not sure of the “time” required, but prior to the 121.5MHZ being used, it was a “two pass confirmation” system with 406MHz. They may have brought that time down now.
Maybe Brett was wearing his (121.5 MHz)watch and he turned it on. A ground station would have picked that up…and sent SAR (or in this case the Fire Dept).
Sorry for being a bit “precise” but I think people can get a tad carried away with what “mod cons” can and do these days !
After looking at the Cerberus link I wonder is this where the emergency call came from and how they knew where to go one of the ladies could have activated it .
Sorry James, satellite phones are hardly ‘mod cons’, lone yachtsmen have been using them for years, it is inevitable someone like Saad would have a similar phone.
Pink, yes, a man in fear of his life would surely have set up some sort of emergency system.
Kookie
You have no idea.
I refuse to point out to you how these things actually work in terms of monitoring and how the SAR response.
Well I will “entertain” you a little while.
Lets say someone gets drunk..and decides to activate the “phone” for a “laugh”. What happens ????
If I did such a stupid thing on 121.5, I have to pay a considerable fine. But hey, they “monitor” that.
You live in some kind of”James Bond” world. Pure fiction.
I don’t need your patronising explanations or entertainment James, it strikes me I know more about them than you do !
What do you think happens in earthquake zones when all terrestrial lines are down………do use some common sense.
Does it not seem unlikely Saad was trying to hide in any
way or he wouldn’t have had these tracking gadgets?
I am little confused about what it is tracking is it the phone or the car ,what had stopped moving that alerted the friend?
Kookie..
Infact now you have failed to explain English Law with regard to “probate” and a “known” Swiss Bank account in a Will.
And now, how SAR monitor relevant “distress” calls.
As a pilot, I tend to have a passing interest in those things.
Any other thing you want to say that shows your lack of knowledge ?
I am not being “patronising”, I am merely pointing out the “real world” to you.
“I don’t need your patronising explanations or entertainment James”
Should read
I don’t need your explanations James”
“What do you think happens in earthquake zones when all terrestrial lines are down………do use some common sense”
Erm…would that be 121.5MHz and/or 406MHz ?
Those are what are termed “monitored” !
But “earthquakes”…would there not be another “agency” monitoring those type of events ?????
James…. having shot yourself in the foot saying you believe nothing I say, you seem very keen on hearing what I do have to say.
Pink , there are two things here, one, it is probable Saad had a satellite phone, I have no idea if he would have alerted the Paris Embassy with the push of a button & a pre-recorded message, to me it’s the only answer for the Embassy to have re-acted with such a response so quickly.
The official story is far too vague.
As for the tracking your guess is as good as mine, all I’m saying is that we now know it IS possible.
If someone in the car activating the call could be established it would give an exact time of the attack and I suppose SM’s phone might have had the same thing too.
I can imagine in the Alps they need to be well covered for these things with people skiing ,snowboarding,climbing ,cycling etc
Mcafee had STRONG ties to Israel and a R&D in Israel.
And they had problems …
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000555801&fid=942
http://il.linkedin.com/pub/mcafee-israel/53/31/918
McAfee is without any doubts the next one on the list being eliminated in one way or another. He knows too much.
For those with a proper interest in these things.
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m78j0TIeVg )
406MHz system explained.
Note there is a “second pass” confirmation system.
For example, it takes 90 minutes.
121.5 MHz (the older system which still get monitored) is quicker.
Alot of pilots (myself included) wear a watch with the 121.5MHz distress feature built in (it is a distress and homing beacon)
Actaully….and we do not know this, but….
IF a 121.5Mhz beacon was activated, the registration would have come up as “a pilot” (Brett Martin) AND the area (forest) and they would have alerted the Fire Dept (a crashed light aircraft) and rather than “the local police” possible the “local military police”.
Hence !
That’s a lot of “if’s” !
Pink.
Yes & for skiers now there are systems for being found when buried in an avalanche, rescuers can home in on the alarm, a must for those skiing off piste, we also know Saad was a skier.
Jesus ! More loony Kookie !
How do we know Sa’ad was a skier ?
I have a top saying “Moto GP”. I don’t ride a motorbike or even watch motorcycle racing !
Better get rid of my Tshirt that says.. “NYPD” !
James .
God help your passengers because your memory is appalling.
Someone tell him about Saad & the skiing holiday he took, because I’m done with him !
My pax (1 principle plus family) is always fine Kookie.
Thanks for asking.
So from a “holiday” Sa’ad took (or didn’t), to a Tshirt he wore, to an off piste skier !
Yep ! That’s pure logic.
The fact is…we don’t know.
All this, pre recorded message to the Paris embassy rubbish is just Kookieness (again !).
Sa’ad “could” have held a PLB. He had a taser, was into satellites, controlled a Swiss Bank acc.
He could have made it to the car and hit the “button”.
Brett could have had be wearing a 121.5MHz Brietling (need to check that pic of him again methinks)….
But the fire dept got their first. That has to be a “SAR” mission.
And they weren’t for stopping on their way up.
Brett also said “over the net”. That could indicate an SAR mission
Actually….
The more I think about the Fire Dept, the more I think “SAR”.
For a “shooting” you’d surely send “Armed Response”.
The SAR would be Fire and Rescue and the National Gendarmerie.