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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • bluebird

    Pink

    The sapaudians club was a find of “Q” who found thierry and claire schutz mentioned in a blog regarding the sapaudians cyclist and ski club who are somehow united with the Bourgh St. Maurice cycling club.
    Sapaudia is the celtic/burgund word for Savoie, first mentioned in the Nibelungen saga

  • Q

    I’m looking back at early reports from Chevaline, which reported that Sylvain Mollier was from Grenoble. It’s a small detail.

  • NR

    @ Tim V : 10 Dec, 2012 – 2:45 pm “So now what is puzzling is the report emanating from “Philippe Didierjean” I believe (I can’t find the quote just now) that someone had looked through his pockets or some such.”

    I think it was one of the French papers, Le Monde maybe, who said they had leaked police info that SM was searched. Don’t know if that was something denied by EM.

  • straw44berry

    As Q said early reports said French authorities took pains to avoid identifying the six people found in and around a BMW at the wooded site.

    Maillaud said the car was registered to a British man born in Baghdad in 1962. He said the man, who had lived in London for a decade, and his family had been vacationing in France since August, camping on nearby Lake Annecy. The driver was identified by the Sipa news agency as Saad al Hilli.

    Sky News, citing neighbors in the British town of Claygate, identified his wife as Iqbal, the 7-year-old as Zehab and the 4-year-old as Zeinab.

    Sweden confirmed that one of the victims was Swedish. French authorities found a Swedish passport that appeared to be that of an older woman slain in the car, born in 1938, as well as an Iraqi passport.

    The French cyclist found near the car was identified as Sylvain Mollier, a man in his 40s from nearby Grenoble who police believe had no relation to the British family.

    http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/sep/06/4-year-old-goes-unnoticed-at-crime-scene/

    If EM had his way would we even now still not know the names of those involved.

  • Q

    Some recent background news from the French alps:

    Courchevel is known for the father of modern skiing, Emile Allais, who died in October 2012:

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbint/555874455–father-of-modern-skiing–passes-away
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Allais
    http://www.dimple1.demon.co.uk/skiing/saulire.html

    In other news this past summer, an avalanche claimed the lives of nine climbers in the Mont Blanc range near Chamonix:

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/french-alps-avalanche-friends-who-died-side-by-side-in-the-snow-1-2410699

  • Juno

    Tim V

    10 Dec, 2012 – 2:45 pm
    Thank you Tim, must say I agree with what you say. But, another thought came to mind, It could be assumed that if you saw a man shot with 7 bullets what ever angle you are looking from and whatever clothing he was wearing (I agree probably cycling shorts etc) the last thing to be noticed would be lack of grazing. This makes me think this was said before all other participants had their stories synced. Was there no bullet wounds to see, if shot in back, front and head as decribed how would body lay so as to show no wounds. Dont think its possible, so cyclist off bicyle lying away from bike with no visible injuries.

    No sense at all. As goes for this whole scenario.

    My brain is scrambled.

  • NR

    @ Q
    In 2010: “A friend of Kate Middleton was interviewed under caution by police after posting an online message saying she planned to shoot illegal immigrants.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343017/Kate-Middletons-friend-cautioned-police-joke-shooting-illegal-immigrants.html

    No call from the mob for throwing her in jail. She’s a friend of Royals. Probably of the late Jimmy Savile too.

    She has since opened a branch of her club in Miami. Wonder if the elite generals, their gfs, Scientologists, Khashoggis and endless assortment of Kennedys patronize it?

  • Tim V

    Yup Juno
    10 Dec, 2012 – 4:27 pm I agree. Another strange thing in WBM’s narative he makes specific mention of Zainab “covered in blood” I think he says or “lots of blood” which is factually contradicted by PD recall of events when he checks her for signs of life and records that she didn’t respond. Didierjean says there is no sign of blood in fact.

    Her injuries have never been independently described by a relible medical source. Was her skull fractured or wasn’t it? What was the precise nature of the bullet wound in her shoulder. Was it a deep wound or just a passing graze? Did the bullet have to be removed or pass through? No one has explained why EM described her as dead hours after he must have known she had survived. And for a child as badly injured as first described, she certainly seems to recovered amazingly quickly. The fact that she returned to foster parents in the UK and not hospitalization, virtually precluded the “fractured skull” that would have required quite complicated surgery and after care I would have thought.

    If she staggered around and then collapsed and almost immediately passed into unconsiousness the onset of the wound must have been ONLY MINUTES before, so again WBM’s version of events is hardly credible not even hearing gunshots let alone seeing the attack take place.

    Then turning to SM, which the blood staining evidence quite clearly locates in a safe place beside the carw, he inexplicably moves although he explains this as protecting him which it clearly wasn’t. It’s almost as if he does it to explain away any forensic contamination on the body that would inevitably link him to it? Was it he who used this as a pretext for the search of the body?

    In stark contrast to Zainab who PD said was NOT covered in blood, he describes SM only in terms of his “Dead weight” and nothing of his bloody state, which must have been the case given the seven targetted shots to head and body. In contrast to Zainab this is a fit man who had just cycled uphill with far more blood and far more serious wounds yet no mention of it, nor for that matter of his own blood stained clothes that would have inevitably resulted if he had dragged Mollier as described. If WBM’s clothes were blood free he could not have dragged him. If they were blood stained it would provide additional information. As trained pilot he would surely have realised how important his clothes were to any police investigation and handed them in at first opportunity. If not why not? Surely given the notorious nature of the crime and the best forensic team France could provide, it is inconceivable the police would fail to secure them as evidence?

  • Q

    @NR: She obviously has no remorse:

    “Days later Miss Sayle, who runs an ‘upmarket’ swingers’ club, wrote: ‘Just had a call from the old bill demanding I go in as someone has reported me for apparently making racist comments… hahaha… using my new found gun skills to control the UK’s illegal immigrant population is not what I call racist.’.

    “Just a day after her police interview, Miss Sayle posted a link on her Twitter page to a Right-wing U.S. website entitled ‘Australia says no to Muslims’.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343017/Kate-Middletons-friend-cautioned-police-joke-shooting-illegal-immigrants.html#ixzz2EgJphza9

    I don’t know about “The Sisterhood” that Kate Middleton and Emma Sayle belong(ed) to, but a quick search of “The Brotherhood” brings up a whole lot of stuff. The jet set do have a way of setting off controversy with the 99%.

  • Tim V

    Spelling corrections “Narrative” “reliable” “have recovered” Sorry for these and other typos.

    One final point about WBM you may or may not have noticed, he was wearing gloves though we dont know if they were the fingerless sort preferred by serious cyclists. We know this because he says so in connection with breaking the door glass. The comments about his other clothes would apply to his gloves also. Where are they now?

  • Tim V

    Gloves of course do provide an added benefit as any criminal type will tell you. Purely co-incidental of course.

  • NR

    @ Q 10 Dec, 2012 – 8:14 pm
    “I don’t know about “The Sisterhood” that Kate Middleton and Emma Sayle belong(ed) to, but a quick search of “The Brotherhood” brings up a whole lot of stuff. The jet set do have a way of setting off controversy with the 99%.”

    There are Abel Danger’s “Crown Sisters”. This one is fairly short by Abel Danger standards and readable, if not entirely believable.

    http://www.abeldanger.net/2010/08/crown-agent-sisters-filming-bisexual.html

    It connects pharmacists to goings-on: “Apothecaries (Production of Bodkin heroin – Dope – near Calvi Blackfriars Bridge)”.

    Then there are Oxford’s Bullingdon Club and Eliza Manningham Buller former head of MI-5.

    Dolphins are also up to elitist stuff:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9443157/Bullingdon-Club-dolphins-form-elite-societies-and-cliques-scientists-find.html

  • NR

    @ macky 11 Dec, 2012 – 12:09 am
    “On another thread I saw this comment; “I’m sure the Iranisns would have loved to have talked to Al-Hilli about that drone.”, iro ”
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/10/277233/iran-decodes-all-data-on-us-rq170-drone/

    The implication being Saad al Hilli had useful info about such things? Interesting comments on that page. I could not make sense of the religious factions, but they get into pro and anti Irish things, and I recall in our discussion mention of Irish/IRA connections to Hezbollah and Libya.

    First comment is good: “dmanwithnoname: It could be that this is a Western plant, and that this victory is in vain. Seems unlikely in today’s age this would happen.*But saying that, someone needs to give the US a bloody nose with all their meddling. Hard to tell truth from fiction latley.”

    *He is obviously not following our conspiracy discussions.

    Fun reading Iranian propaganda for a change. The US TV Network Evening Party Propaganda programs are atwitter concerning their self-created “Global Outrage” over the Australian DJs prank call, and their tearful apology, and will they be extradited to England for beheading by HRH ERII? Apparently not, but Scotland Yard will waste time interviewing them.

    One more story from Iran:
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/10/277270/us-air-force-mutiny-threatens-americans/
    “Iran threatened by possible US Air Force mutiny: Last week, the London Times reported that Azerbaijan had agreed to allow Israel to use its bases to operate drones over Iran. The president of Azerbaijan both denied the charge and asked for a retraction from the Times.”

    We (some of us) were discussing Azerbaijani multi-billionaires.

  • Mochyn69

    Just to keep our eye on the global geopolitical situation:-

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/10/israel-suspected-iran-nuclear-programme-leaks

    Spies, satellites, nuclear proliferation, zionist attempts to rein in Iran etc.! All still highly relevant here.

    But Israel is panicking and making mistake after mistake. Netanyahu making an idiot of himself at the UN, supporting the loser in the US Presidential race, the dodgy graph, the murderous attack on Gaza and so on are all clear examples. Was the ‘tuerie de Chevaline’ also??

  • NR

    @ Q : From your DM link above:
    ” Emma Sayle THE SEX ENTREPRENEUR “Starting off with Club Fever, a business organising parties for “liberated couples and single women” – a swingers’ club, to you and me – she moved on to French Letter Day, a concierge service that makes its clients’ most intimate sexual fantasies a reality (kidnap and bondage, anyone?).”

    Bondage gone wrong, a recurring theme in agency liquidations. Easier to explain than cannibalism, though what with Zombies afoot that’s changing.

    From my Abel Danger link above:
    “… compare the signature of blood oaths sworn by bisexual associates of the Bullingdon Club with the signature of snuff-film images – allegedly webcast by Crown Agents Sisters… which show ‘sextortionists’ butchering the body of a GCHQ / MI-6 man-in-the-middle operative and putting meat (?) in a bag in a bath at a Pimlico crime scene.”

    “Scotland Yard’s Homicide and Serious Crime Command probed the murder of keen cyclist … Gareth Williams… may have been killed by a gay lover…”

    Mix all our mysteries together and we have:

    One gay porn star, two gaming software experts, three keen cyclists, four alleged gay lovers… no partridge in a pear tree yet, but there was a Satsuma Orange in 1994:

    http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Stephen_Milligan

    … corrupt arms deals with Saudi Arabia…
    MI6… gay sex and pedophilia involving senior government ministers of the day… [his boss] was known to have an particular interest in Sado-Masochistic sex… shadowy arms deals that were conducted in the Ritz hotel in Paris in 1993.

    Concentrate on the elites, the spies, and their bizarre sex lives and we can keep this discussion going forever. Start our own Red Top too. I volunteer as editor (unlimited expense account) as I’m good at cutting and pasting outrageous innuendo.

  • NR

    @ straw44berry 10 Dec, 2012 – 3:51 pm

    Using your link http://www.sipa.com/en

    and searching “al Hilli” there are 168 thumbnails and on page 2 near the bottom are what may be new aerial shots of the BMW.

    These are credited to DOUG SEEBURG/THE SUN/SIPA. Some look identical to the Hoskins ones we’ve seen, but a few are from a slightly different angle, and may resolve questions about sun reflections. Maybe two photogs shared the helicopter?

    There’s one I haven’t seen before, that’s from directly overhead:

    http://www.sipa.com/en/asset/content/zoomOnly/1/id/16383953

    I could only get large, lo-res thumbnails with SIPA’s watermark, but someone maybe can do better.

    Straw44berry, who is jacintha-saldanha? I’ve lost track.

  • bluebird

    NR

    Regarding IRA

    The IRA received their funds and support from Saddam (Iraq) and from Larouche. Larouche received funds from Saddam and so did LePen receive funds from Saddam. We dont know whether or not the Iran is funding them, too. This is a national socialist network.
    The new Irish nationalist party is a Larouche party.
    I do not believe that it was an accident that Zaid married O’Reilly. Maybe my conspiracy, but there was more than just love. How often had he been in Ireland and whom did he meet there in the 1990tees?

    Mochyn
    The zionists dont want to rule iran. The Ashkenazi zionists want to make live in iran as inconvenient as possible because they want the 150.000 Mizrahi now living in iran to come to israel for settling in palestine territory, in southern syria, in sinai and lebanon.

    On the other hand, there are 500.000 mizrahi now living in israel who would love to leave israel for their home countries iran, iraq, syria or north africa when they would get their property and houses back from the arabs and aryans. This is a nightmare for ashkenazi because this violates the zionist idea.

    That is the reason for a current jewish vs jewish combat regarding iran. The mizrahi would hate their former homeland being nuked and useless while the ashkenazi want to do exactly that for pushing the remaining mizrahi out of iran and into israel.

    Currently the iran war is less about jews vs iranian aryens and arabs but more about mizrahi vs zionist ashkenazi ideology.

    However, there is also the Iran where the persian Aryens are willing to get rid of iranian arabs. Therefore there could be an unholy alliance between persian aryans (supported by the Dutch Bilderberg group) plus the Ashkenazi zionists on one side. The other side would be Mizrahi united with Arabs.
    We need to end the brainwashing thinking of the paid media that this is about israel vs iran or jews vs arabs. It isnt. This is far more complicated and once again pre WW2 situation because such alliances are world wide.

  • James

    And he’s back in the room !
    I have to work, so spend days and nights away…and then days off.

    So a quick recap of events and we’re no further on.

    Katie is “questioning” the roofbox theory ! That’s not odd.
    She again shows more lack of knowledge.
    AND is convinced (rather “knows”) Al Hilli drove to that carpark with the roof rack ALREADY broken !!!

    I don’t believe that at all (although I don’t know) and I believe that “something” was held ontop of that vehicle.

    Further, I believe that Mr Martin (a trained airline capt, a trained check capt and former Fast Jet weapons instuctor) did see Al Hilli (ahead or passing him) and that he “observed” a container on that vehicle.

    Why do I believe that ?
    Well the inconsistencies presented in his story.
    Has he been asked to “present” his story in such a way ?
    Most probably.
    Therefore, I believe, the police are following a line of enquiry that has not been released…and want to keep this private.

    I further qualify this with the fact that there has NOT been a “reconstruction” of the events of that day.
    If there were, then a maroon BMW carrying a “roof box” would have to be used…or if not, more people may come forward saying they saw the vehicle…”and it was carrying a xxxxx” which would mean the police would have a bigger job on, trying to “restrain” those people from speaking to the media.

    At present there is just WBM, PD et al and LFR et al.
    That would be a pretty simple job.

  • James

    @NR

    Re your “new” picture.
    Yep, I have seen that one before.
    Infact if you look at the “syndication” website, you can see the range of pictures that were taken.

    It looks as if Hoskins (or a photographer) was sat on the left hand side of the helo (possibly even the vacant front/left hand seat in a helo) as it did ONE over fly to the portside and turning approx 90 degrees to the scene, before leaving.

    Further (and I need to look at this more closely) I don’t imagine that the “over fly” was granted AND therefore the pictures showing the broken roof rack (which has NOT been mentioned at all by the police and media)are particularly relevant.

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