The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Let me explain way back at the start of all this I saw a story reporting unexplained gouges in the car park that had been filled in by the police I no longer have the link to that story as I lost all my links but I have been looking for them ever since and this video is the bet shot I have found yet it looks to fit the bill ,they are not cuts you are seeing its a gouge that has been filled in with turf what looks like cuts is where the pieces added into the gash meet the edges .
I have no way of knowing if they are important they may be if they were caused during the incident.
I was struck by certain parallels with the Litvinenko affair as reported in the Times yesterday.
Surprise! Surprise! He was working for MI6 when poisoned by a cup of Polonium tea. So what are the parallels? He had worked for the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) the successor to the KGB. In 1998 he announced in a press conference that the then relatively unknown Vladimir Putin had ordered the assassination of Boris Berezovsky. He arrived in Britain in 2000 after fleeing prosecution (he was twice cleared by Russian courts) for “corruption”. He became a British citizen a month before he died in 2006. He was recruited and used by MI6 to attempt to trace the Russian Mafia connections – which he claimed was controlled by the political elite, including Putin – by Spanish networks. He also worked for the Spanish secret service also. Both paid into his bank account. He was due to visit that country under the direction of MI6 with Addrei Lugovoy, who is now the chief suspect in his murder. Lugovoy subsequently returned to Russia and was actively protected by President Putin by being “elected” to the Russian Parliament and a refusal to extradite him. His wife reported he had “frequent” meetings with his MI6 handler who was called “Martin”. He had TWO mobile phones, one to contact his handler and the other to speak to Lugavoy, who he rang to cancel the Spanish trip when he fell ill. He had previously claimed during his time in London Litvinenko in two books, “Blowing Up Russia: Terror from Within” and “Lubyanka Criminal Group”, that the Russian secret services staged the Russian apartment bombings and other terrorism acts in an effort to bring Vladimir Putin to power who blamed them on Chechen rebels and provided excuse for military intervention in that area. He also accused Putin of ordering the murder of Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya.
Now I could flag up all the rather “spooky” similarities right down to two telephones but I won’t insult your intellience (sic) or for that matter how the Russian activities in the Northern Caucasus mountains mirror in many respects the USA in Iraq including how those invasions were precipitated by domestic atrocities with suspicious causation.
“A policeman makes arrests. He looks for a killer, finds him, interrogates him, sends him to court and he goes to prison. A spy, if he detects another spy, doesn’t do that. He wants to obtain him, to use him, to convert him. He wants to take over his network. He wants the continuum still, under his control. There is no end point.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2011951/John-Le-Carre-In-day-MI6–I-called-Circus-books–stank-wartime-nostalgia.html#ixzz2FALoBWI4
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on FacebookIf you go and wrap up a great big network that’s spying on you, the one thing you may be sure of is that there’ll be another one soon. But if you can obtain it and make it work for you, whether it knows it or not, then the continuum is intact. And that has, I think, in the long term a deeply depressing effect on the general atmosphere of a building. It certainly did for me. It’s a renunciation of moral standards, something that’s rather shaming. ‘Ah, he’s a killer! Well, do we need a killer? Would he kill for us? Will he kill someone useful?’ It’s not, ‘Arrest him!’ The moral stream is quite different.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2011951/John-Le-Carre-In-day-MI6–I-called-Circus-books–stank-wartime-nostalgia.html#ixzz2FALR5mGl
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How strange – the well seems to have run dry.
It’s enough to make Smiley smile.
That was a good parallel to Litvinenko, Tim V. It’s downright eery.
Here’s to the ultimate conspiracy theory: if we are all part of a Matrix-like Metaverse, then one could say we are beginning to see some information leakage, also known as cross-talk. In cyber-speak that would be akin to a ‘degradation” in the firewalls between information channels. Maybe they are becoming thinner or The matrix is starting to have bandwidth issues (it’s all really easy to digest if one is just willing to abandon the idea that we – and our universe, as we know it, are actually physical). OK, so it’s a bit of a stretch, but desperate times call for desperate theories, and this one is as good as any (plus, it buys you favor with the nerds who are running the computer support bars and IT systems and you get your problem attended to in a jiffy and without even a touch of a smirk).
Then again, there are easier explanation about the strange similarities – as you brought up the MO straight from the Man himself, Le Carre. When morality is not a criterion (ie, as in ‘all morality is relative”) then anything goes indeed and right vs wrong get redefined into “useful” and “not useful”. That’s kind of the way mafias operate too – where “killing” or the taking of human life, is not measured against criteria of the “ultimate wrong” but against how important such acts are to the “cause”, however that is defined (say the survival of “The family”).
Note BTW the similarities to the MO of the israeli state – and how it deals with those it perceives as “threats” or just “uppity”. I doubt the question of the morality of, say doing away with a Mahmoud al-Mahboudh never even entered into the calculations of the Mossad. In all likelihood it was just about a cold gain-vs-loss calculation – if the gain was seen as higher than the losses (due to eg, blowback) then it’s green lights all the way (of course, in the end it was a bit of a wash due to repercussions from the passports debacle and I’d be willing to bet that some heads rolled in the Mossad bowels over that). Of course, le carre’s quote would apply to any spy agency but it is glaringly applicable to this particular one.
Standing against such dismissals of moral considerations are just three things: Conscience (for those who happen to still have it), religion (for those who have that) and The Law (for all of us). We can do little about the first two since those are in the domain of the private individual. but we can – and should – scream as loud as we can when we see offenses to the Law and indeed attempts to subvert or operate beside it.
Along with everyone else that’s what I see in this case – the murder (assuming that’s what it was – must put that in every time!!) of several members of the human family and the obvious attempts to do everything possible to skirt the law (French, british, whatever) and let the guilty – whoever they are – “get away with it”. I believe most people who comment here, or on MZT or ickes and many who just read and stay interested, do so out of a genuine sense of outrage at the ease with which all our fine western rules of law get ignored and subverted. Moreover, the way in which TPTB don’t even bother to get a decent cover-up story together show the deep contempt with which they hold the rest of us – mere members-in-good-standing of Homo sapiens.
There – dug into the well again (and then some).
Did we ever notice those two al Hillis?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/world/middleeast/30hummer.html?hp&ex=1238731200&ei=&partner=1238731200&_r=0
On another note:. I remember that at some point in the past we did link SAH with DARPA. Could anybody remember about why we did that and what were the reason and the proof for doing so?
@BB
I vaguely remember something about SAH being in satellites as is DARPA, but not the exact program. Chances are it has something to do with DARPA’s interest in lasers (as weapons, reference beams and/or crowd control), nanotechnology for robotics and/or tiny satellites (which SSTL was also pursuing – sometimes in collaboration with other entities – like in Israel). I believe Saad was mentioned in connection with both satellites and lasers (eg, through Elekta), though I found the latter rather tenuous (he was a mechanical engineer so his involvement would have been in the packaging end).
You may find (if you didn’t already) that googling on “small satellites” will yield a trove of information. Much of it NASA but SSTL shows up too.
As an aside – those double Al Hillis in the Netherlands are downright spooky. And the absence of family quite telling. Something is going on (or it could just be the “information cross leakage” I was alluding to above if you are into serious reality conspiracies).
That’s what I like about this whole subject – the crossing between spooks and spookiness…..
@Tim V: 2006 was an eventful year.
@Tim V: You’ve heard the stories about polonium and Saddam Hussein?
Here’s an interesting comment on a french forum read the exchange’s on this page.
http://forums.france2.fr/france2/Non-elucide/tuerie-chevaline-savoie-sujet_216_15.htm
Sup winning profile:
“Morally and legally I do not have the right to appoint the assassins, because I lack the physical evidence. Only investigators can. But I leave here two tracks:
the al-Hilli it does not stop at the parking lot of the whip, she continued her way. Despite the ban. Later she turned around.
The bike has passed Cherel neck to get to a certain place, that my conscience forbids me to name (I lack the evidence). But you can easily find by searching the web. Well before 16:00 as stated by the witness.
I do not consider myself smarter than you or investigators. I’m just trying to help the families of the deceased to know the truth. Three months it’s been a long time, too long.”
http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-savoie/2012/12/15/un-documentaire-de-52-minutes-en-tournage-sur-la-tuerie-de-chevaline
Three months after the terrible massacre of Horses on Wednesday, September 5, two journalists from the agency “Alert Press” prepare a 52-minute documentary (the longest to date) devoted to the matter.
While investigators are still struggling to identify the perpetrator of the massacre, or to determine the motive for the crime, Stéphane Bouchet (in g.), a former reporter and Hervé Le Parisien Lavigne wish to review the investigation, with new images .
Coproduced with TF1, this documentary will be released in the coming weeks in prime time (20 h 45) on TMC, in the program ” Suspect No. 1 . “
Marlin
I was asking because i ran across a blog entry on a blog i had not seen so far and it was from early september. It could be BS but i thought that the guy was writing with some background knowledge. He claims that SAH was very upset about a program/project that would be devastating for mankind. That apparently had something to do with DARPA and human mind control via internal (chips) and external devices satellites). Due to his blog he wanted to make that program public by releasing it to Russia. I do not know how much BS this was but the poster seemed at least as reasonably argumenting like others who received “threats” by mossad lawyers.
It is at least something to consider. Mind control would in fact be devastating for human race.
Marlin
This is the DARPA project(that in my opinion) is coming close to that description and what apparently the said “friend” of SAH who was writing in that blog must have meant most likely.
http://www.gizmag.com/tag-team-threat-recognition-technology/24208/
One could create a pretty good mass murder with such mind controlling programs who would neither ask nor even know about why he is killing. Great for military and secret service. No moral and no ethics. The killer has no conscience but he simply acts like a drone. Dont know whether or not this is science fiction or else the blog writer knows something we dont know.
http://www.greenewave.com/darpas-new-mind-control-tech-a-taste-of-armageddon/
According to this blogger who claimed to be a friend of SAH, (back in early september) this is what SAH was scared about and what he worked on and what he wanted to make public by releasing it to russia but somebody apparently did stop its information release.
@ bluebird
16 Dec, 2012 – 10:17 am
http://www.gizmag.com/tag-team-threat-recognition-technology/24208/
“One could create a pretty good mass murder with such mind controlling programs who would neither ask nor even know about why he is killing.”
This isn’t about mind-control, but rather a specific type of mind-reading to pick up electrical signals from the brain that indicate when a person’s eyes and brain have detected something unusual, even it only registers subconsciously. Then the system presents them with a visual cue in a display that they should pay attention to that location.
NR
i know. this is the released truth. but apparently there is an unreleased truth, too.
Maybe BS. i dont know what i do not know. apparently, SAH knew … perhaps. and he loved his children.
Quote:
To overcome the above limitations, my laboratory has engineered a novel technology which implements transcranial pulsed ultrasound to remotely and directly stimulate brain circuits without requiring surgery.
Pulsed ultrasound. what was longworth working on?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scalar_tech/esp_scalartech21.htm
And ….
http://sentme.hubpages.com/hub/DAPRA-The-Future-of-Mind-Control
…microwaves. what was SAH working with?
I agree that we know nothing. i try to collect some information.
What SAH probably meant by “devastating for mankind” and “armageddon”.
This would be a perfect device for military intelligence to use john doe as their terrorist. So far they had a lot of work to brainwash potential terrorist with some stupidity regarding religions, revolutions and ideologies. This was a tough and long and expensive education. And finally they had to deal with tgeir ethics and their conscience (e.g. stopping assassinations because they would not want to kill little children).
Also you had to invest into fake terror organisations like al qaida.
With mind control there is no risk of moral and ethic fail and they can use everybody as their killer or terrorist. Even you and me. We would act like drones. No conscience, no moral attitudes they could even order us to kill our own children and ourselves. Frightening. Armageddon.
But perfect warfare for a “clean” drone war.you could even use every iranian to kill iranians and they would not even know why they are doing this. And you could let americans kill americans. Whoever got that technology will rule the world in the future.
@ bluebird 16 Dec, 2012 – 10:32 am
http://www.greenewave.com/darpas-new-mind-control-tech-a-taste-of-armageddon/
“According to this blogger who claimed to be a friend of SAH, (back in early september) this is what SAH was scared about and what he worked on and what he wanted to make public by releasing it to russia but somebody apparently did stop its information release.”
This blogger is describing exactly the same system as the previous one. It is mind-reading, but he later calls it mind-control in the sense of the mind controlling something else, like an artificial limb, or a robot soldier eventually.
It is not about some person or computer controlling somebody’s mind directly – Zombifiying them, as it were.
Though that could well come later. Once you can read the brain’s output and decode what the electric signals mean, it’s theoretically feasible to reverse the procedure and direct signals into the brain to control a person.
This is already done to some extent. In brain surgery they put small signals into the brain with a fine wire probe, in certain spots to know they’re working on the right place. They have maps of what areas, when stimulated, cause a certain reaction, like a leg twitch for example.
There is also the now routine cochlear implant to restore hearing, where electric audio signals are applied directly to the auditory nervous system, bypassing damaged parts of the ear. It is also done with the visual system where a camera feeds directly to the optic nerves, but I think so far it is only very rough “pictures”.
NR
Exactly!
But according to this professor whom i quoted above, brain surgery is no longer necessary. Its done by ultrasound (longworth!) and by microwaves(SAH!). God knows how they really do it
. But i agree with everybody that this would cause armageddon for mankind. Nukes are nothing compared to that if it works
@ bluebird 16 Dec, 2012 – 10:50 am
“NR – i know. this is the released truth. but apparently there is an unreleased truth, too. Maybe BS. i dont know what i do not know. apparently, SAH knew … perhaps. and he loved his children.
Quote: To overcome the above limitations, my laboratory has engineered a novel technology which implements transcranial pulsed ultrasound to remotely and directly stimulate brain circuits without requiring surgery.”
OK, now they’re are talking real mind-control, controlling the brain by external signals without opening the skull. But who is the quote from, SAH?
I am always surprised how “war” and “medicine” work hand in hand.
Not many people say I’m popping to the Nuclear Medicine Dept for a scan. Or I’m going to have my gallstones blasted by a laser.
Then again I guess we don’t say I’m going to have my prostrate microwaved !
Sorry NR
Forgot the link of that bligger (sept 15)
http://nesaranews.blogspot.co.at/2012/09/global-apocalypse-linked-to-french-alps.html?m=1
Could be BS but i never read this before. His claims made me ask for our previously detected DARPA links for SAH.
Then i started to search about what and why SSTL and/or Darpa could create a world wide armageddon.
I agree. We know nothing. I just try to collect some facts and create some kind of locic regarding the latest assassinations and events.
@bluebird 16 Dec, 2012 – 11:29 am
“Sorry NR Forgot the link of that bligger (sept 15)
http://nesaranews.blogspot.co.at/2012/09/global-apocalypse-linked-to-french-alps.html?m=1
Could be BS but i never read this before. His claims made me ask for our previously detected DARPA links for SAH.”
This reads like too much conspiracy to me, but who knows. It doesn’t mention mind control, but SAH’s satellite work and shifting the earth’s magnetic poles with it.
I think the first users of mind-control will be the Hollywood people, who won’t need to scream and carry on to get their people to do exactly what they want – not the movie making so much – but like fetch their laundry or bring from the deli a sandwich made to exquisitely exacting specifications.
We have partial mind-control already, without much connection to the brain: people letting bad map apps direct them to their doom in the Australian desert. Or people sending large sums to Nigerian scamsters. Do we really know if there are any Nigerians sitting in Nigeria? The whole thing could be a put up job from New York or Palo Alto or Azerbaijan and all blamed on innocent virtual Nigerians.
Gotta go.
NR
I agree. The pole shift is utterly nonsense. However, in anything there might be a piece of truth. That is why i was searching for other reasons for a devastating science for mankind regarding DARPA. I did remember that it was mentioned here and marlin confirmed that.
I believe that mind controlled people(vis satellites) are the perfect warfare. You dont need your own soldiers anymore. Everybody can be made a terrorist. Everybody. an ideal terrorist without conscience. Hoe can you stop mind controlled people? With pulses such like created by tasers?
Marlin
16 Dec, 2012 – 1:14 am – A fine critique Marlin. It’s the way “National Security” trumps all other enshrined principles of justice, with no way of knowing if it is genuine or fabricated to cover the most serious crimes. As we saw with Gareth Williams case, MI6 “pulls rank” over Special Branch and Special Branch pulls rank over PC Plod which effectively amounts to the cover-up of murder. If the police are prevented from carrying out their role or subverted, what protection is there for the citizen? I wonder what Maillaud and those examining French Magistrates feel about their role? And what is the result of the Surrey Police investigation? Shouldn’t we be told or are we to believe the British authorities are implicated?
A bit of light relief and Christmas cheer? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toYfeN0ACDw
Could this be a extraction turned sour? The family could have attended the meeting with their passports as they expected to be handed over to another agency who would arrange their safe passage? Was Martin there to handle this from the UK perspective and to oversea a safe handover? Perhaps this ended up as a messy 2 fingers to our intell services and that’s why they sent a ton of staff from Paris if this happened.
The above goes somewhere to explaining why he took the whole family and was happy to let his little daughter out of the car. Perhaps they saw this as the safest way out only to find themselves in the middle of a trap.
I just thought this might be an interesting angle as I’d not seen this possibility discussed on here.
I have tons of nagging points from this case but I am still unable to explain the mistakes made by the police on arrival at the crime scene. If I were first on scene I would want to know everything I could about the tourist vehicle and the people inside. So would you not check the license plate against travel details to see who was booked on the car? If not then we can assume it must be easy to bring extra people in or out of the Country as the authorities are telling us they had no idea of the number of people who entered the Country in that vehicle. If they did they would know that one 4YO girl was missing and they would have looked at the crime scene in a different light.
@Bluebird mad indeed. makes one feel this is a rigged game!
Yes the Dutch Al-hillis fall off the cliff after they fall off the cliff after hitting the affinity and associates consultancy That Sa’aad had. But it really fell off the cliff when I started researching the other business listed at the same address an Al-Wasal Management and financial holding group
None of these or our main targets really have a website except perhaps the Silverfern, which is really odd for engineers of any kind that want to market their services..
http://www.telefoondetective.nl/telefoonnummer/0786188616/
Affinity & Associates Ltd
Duizendschoon 50
3344AL Hendrik Ido Ambacht
0786188616
Al-Wasal Management
Duizendschoon 50
3344AL Hendrik Ido Ambacht
0786188616
Postbus 9119
3301AC
Dordrecht
Netherlands
Telephone: 0786188616
Fax:
078 6188615
Al-Wasal Management
Address Duizendschoon 50
Place 3344 AL Hendrik Ido Ambacht [map]
Phone via
click here for phone number
Municipality Hendrik-Ido-Ambacht
Province South Holland
Country Netherlands
Website
Sector Financial institutions
Line Financial holding
It vaporizes…further searches pointed to a public kitchen and catering service in Kuwait.
The google engine also kept pointing me to Wasl and futbol groups instead so be careful
Frederic R Harris now AECOM certainly is huge globally with fingers in everything. Even an Areva contract out midwest. and is no stranger to mysterious deaths of an employee .
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/21/nyregion/suicide-leads-to-inquiry-into-rigging-of-a-port-authority-bid.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AECOM
http://www.aecom.com/‘
On track
I did think it curious that neither son was on the death Certificate of Saa’ds father. That he disappeared for 6 days and suffered from Parkinsons. I do know patients can wander away..I had an uncle like that. But are usually found within a day or so especially if they have a wristband on for ID. Must have had a terrible caretaker..I assume Asia the one named in the link. I understand the brothers had fired one, and don’t know if that is who they replaced her with.
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2012/09/20/costa-link-to-french-alps-murders/
http://www.gizmag.com/us-special-forces-subsonic-ammunition/25172/