The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
2cents
This is exactly what they want you to believe
No family kills the unwanted son in law that way. This would be a horrible script then.
This theory became false latest when the RLC was searching the Claygate house.
Straw
I know about the two fathers. Strange coincidence. But i cannot see any correlation. If they had killed their fathers. But they didnt. Why would they go nuts? Mind control? But for what purpose? LIBOR? NO relations there.
James
Where did you read about him being kicked out of the cycling club? What is the name of his club?
Why would they kick him out? Strange behaviour? Drugs?
@ bluebird 16 Dec, 2012 – 9:00 pm
“Tim v: This is definitely not sufficient for murder. Not in a family of such level. However, psychologically i beliwve that sylvain felt guilty when living with Claire’s money. The typical masculine response would be to make even more money soon and to pay back depths. Perhaps he promised something to calm down the family.
When you ever had depths and when you see no chance to repay, you would probably think about alternative methods to get money for feeling better. Perhaps investing the money into some business. Some guys go gambling with that money in the false hope to have luck once upon a time. And some guys would perhaps make contacts with drug dealers once they are desperate. This often is a matter of different stages. Depths, gambling, more depths, being desperate, hopeless, not brave enough to tell that all money was lost. Consequently you turn to the world of criminals for easy money. Laundering, smuggling aresome options.
This is just a psychgramm about how sylvain might have felt that mess and how he might have lived with it.”
It is a good insight. SM suddenly has access to cash or an allowance. There was talk by a friend that said he had a part-time business or was about to start one while he was still working at Cezus.
Many men of SM’s age, especially with a new gf and baby, when they have access to a bit of money – an inheritance maybe – see it as the opportunity to be done with working for a company and go alone in business to make their fortune. What if he took on co-investors in his scheme who were looking to clean some ill gotten gains.
On the other side, if it’s known in town that SM has access to money, old friends approach him with their own schemes to invest in, either legitimate or unsavory.
OK here’s an old point but never been answered. Why were there “about twenty military types” at the British Embassy in Paris? It can’t be standard practice. I previously suggested that it might have something to do with a certain Will and Kate on holiday about 100 Km to the south, in case of major problems. But I’m not sure that would explain how they they all ploughed into Chevaline. This has never been explained or what they actually DID when incredibly they were given access to the crime scene. The more you think about it the stranger it becomes. By the time they arrived any danger had gone. Did they assist with a search or were they looking for something specific? How long did they remain? To whom did they report? This and a visit from the British Ambassador are just about unprecedented. If we could work out why, we would half way to working out everything!
Straw. Most likely VERY off topic, but …
If that guy is related to the Lanza family then we can perhaps find a relation to DARPA, SAH, mind control and the shooters.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lanza
http://www.robertlanza.com/
http://blog.beliefnet.com/intentchopra/2010/06/robert-lanza-interview-by-deep.html
And the interesting thing is that Lanza worked/works for the Salk Institute:
http://www.robertlanzabiocentrism.com/an-amazing-summer-with-b-f-fred-skinner/
And even more interesting, james holmes was alinked to the Salk Institute, too.
http://www.sott.net/article/248803-Wayne-Madsen-James-Holmes-Family-Tied-To-DARPA-And-Mind-Manipulation-Work
Now we have 2 mad shooters and the SALK institute who is working on mind control.
I have no idea whether or not Adam Lanza has a relation with Robert Lanza, but if there is any, then he is in the middle of mind control science.
And then we have SAH and his apparent work for SSTL and his apparent words that there is something that would be devastating for mankind and that he would leak it. And we have the SSTL link to DARPA (have we?) and of course CT2WS project of DARPA.
Perhaps this is all coincidence.
Btw, trow will like that: the father of william herskowitz, who went nuts in israel, is a neurologist and his late uncle ira herskowitz was a leader in biogenetics and bioscience, just a teacher of robert lanza.
We have 3 boys who went crazy and shooting people for no reason and who were strongly related to the SALK institute and biogenetic science. Not confirmed for adam lanza since i do not know yet whether or not he knew robert lanza. But if he was related, then we got more than just a little bit weird conspiracy theory.
@ Bluebird Re: Mind-control via microwaves. I’ve thought of a good one. We all carry with us a small receiver-transmitter, sometimes right up next to our brains. What if the search engine and social-media people have already figured out how to make the transmitter rebroadcast small pulses that trigger the “buy something – anything” part of the brain?
They know where we are at all times and merchants would bid for the signal to be sent when we passed their doors, or stood in front of the diamond display case.
The technology might not yet be specific enough to trigger the “buy ice-cream” or “buy a 5000 Euro bicycle” but that would come later. It would explain why I came home yesterday with four things I neither intended to buy or urgently needed.
As far as SM goes, I am puzzled by the baby. A newborn needs around the clock care, until he or she goes to school, And even then, a child needs constant attention. Who was to care for SM’s and CS’s baby son? Certainly not CS! She has a business to run, and one can safely say that she cannot even work part-time. She is an entrepreneur! Entrepreneurs, men or women, do not take much leave, or holidays, or even maternity leave. They pop back to work as soon as possible after their child is born and delegate its care to someone else.
Hiring a full-time nanny or a “maman de jour” as they are called in France, is a difficult and costly process. Finding a certified, trustworthy nanny is a very difficult task. Maybe the grandparents were to help too, but, nowadays, grandmothers are not what they used to be: selfless round-the-clock carers working for love. Nowadays and in the best of cases, grandmothers help out one or two afternoons per week, and spoil their grandchildren with presents at Christmas; that’s about all they do.
So maybe SM was to care for the baby, although this certainly does not ring right. He does not seem to be a very “maternal” type of parent. he seems to find it quite normal and natural to leave partner and baby at home for a whole afternoon and ride his very expensive 5000 euro bike that had been given to him as a present by CS. That’s one expensive present! Or maybe CS had foreseen that the baby would be cared for by a combination: partly herself, partly SM, partly a nanny, partly the grandparents?
Not to mention that it was CS’s first child, she had given birth only 3 months before the shooting and her emotional state (also, post-natal depression is more common than what one would think) must have been quite fragile. At the least, CS must have been in a state of mental and physical exhaustion, what with a firstborn child, a family business to run to success, teenage step children to take into consideration, maybe financial claims put up by the former wife, and, last but not least, constant tension built up between her partner and her parents.
Something does not ring quite right about SM. I know there are a lot of middle-aged men (and women) who change life; they leave a partner, get a divorce, share custody of the kids, then remarry or at the least form a new couple, and have a second round of kids. But most struggle to cope and to reconcile the former life with the new life and I bet the vast majority struggles financially and has neither time nor means to go cycling an entire afternoon on expensive presents given by pretty young partners. Sounds a bit of a “profiteur”, this SM.
To add up the mind control CT2WS and the Salk institute.
Jonas Salk and Ira Herskowitz both worked together on many bioscientific programs, particularly research for brain cells and combining animal and yield cells with human cells. Robert Lanza was working with both of them on the bioscience of biogenetics and computer chips.
The Salk institute was created and is funded by the famous Jewish Kahn family. There are plenty of links to ZOA and Mossad regarding the Salk institute.
James Holmes was a student there. Robert Lanza worked there.
I would be curious about how far they really are in that mind control science. What is that about satellites, audio pulses (longworth!) and microvaves (SAH) to make humans act like drones? Didnt SAH say that he had something that would make Iraq secure?
Maybe i am a bit too much into conspiracy now, but the find of Robert Lanza and the links to tge Salk institute woth Holmes, Herskowitz and Lanza makes me somehow excited as well as it is frightening, too.
I do not think that the Salk institute represents an American/CIA asset. It is rather the contrary than what the USA population would like to own. It definitely represents science in favour of Israel.
More on the Salk Institute.
Works on various military projects including anthrax.
Jonas Salk was proud when collegues called him the Antichrisr.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salk_Institute_for_Biological_Studies
Here are the board members and the founding members listed. Some well known names ….
Plus some of their scientific projects.
Looks like their students come out there as some weird shooters.
http://polioforever.wordpress.com/salk-institute/
More on Salk and the “Antichrist”
Steven Weinberg at the Salk Institute: “Anything that we scientists can do to weaken the hold of religion should be done, and may in fact, in the end, be our greatest contribution to civilization.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcnTRvz87hc
Ok, thats enough digging for today. Would love when somebody could present a sort of link between robert lanza and adam lanza. That would be quite something. With 2 mad killers i would suggest coincidence. With 3 mad shooters within 6 months, however, all of them somehow connected to the Salk institute, however, i dont believe into coincidence any longer.
@ Bluebird
Ah, B.F. Skinner, who reputedly raised his own baby in a box as a lab experiment. I’d heard the story long ago, and never bothered to check. It is apparently a totally fabricated legend, which shows there were untruths circulated by magazines and gossip long before the Internet.
http://www.snopes.com/science/skinner.asp
Skinner’s daughter, according to the untrue tale, committed suicide in Billings, Montana. I believe it was you who connected a Montana judge to something, and asked if we knew of other Montana links?
There an orphanage in Montana that takes in orphans from Russia, and which the Russian government claims has mistreated them.
http://missoulian.com/news/local/eureka-ranch-for-russian-orphans-denied-state-license/article_0918800c-d116-11e1-a61c-0019bb2963f4.html
The orphan’s ranch is connected to Epicenter International Missions Ministry and a minister Evjene who has an affiliated church, the Chapel of Praise.
And there’s the lawyer in Montana, a member of a cult with intelligence community ties, who just happens to monitor the web for snuff movies at a most convenient time.
What about Mario Lanza, the old time opera singer? Is he by chance connected to Adam Lanza? Mario could easily have inserted backward masked instructions into his recorded arias, like the Beatles did later to control Charlie Manson.
Opera is easy to insert that stuff into, cause it’s full of violence, mostly beheadings, daggers and swords – I don’t remember if the terrorists machine gun someone in “Klinghoffer” or just push the victim into the sea. It’s OK to have outrageous violence in opera ’cause it’s only listened to by fully qualified intellectuals who are immune from it’s influence. 🙂
@Tim V: re 8:07 p.m.
I couldn’t agree more. I’ve never believed he wasn’t a target.
It begins Assault on Precinct 13
The last case Mollin and Curraize worked on a Railroad disaster case Involving 12 kids killed ..It took 3 years to indict..and thats with knowing all the players..Eric was in on that one too..I love his public speaking abilities..and that the system works..so the two magistrates actually shuttle between him and a separate reigional authority.Vinneman I guess…and between the 4 they decide..
SNCF and RFF were dismissed on Wednesday 4 July, by the investigating chamber of the Court of Appeal of Chambéry: they remain under investigation in anticipation of the drama Allinges trial to be held in early 2013. SNCF and RFF are therefore beside the bus driver on the dock.
The judges Michel and Christine de Mollin Curraize decided in January, more than three years after the fact, to indict RFF and SNCF for involuntary homicide and injuries in the context of the investigation of the crash Allinges, which claimed the lives of seven college students, June 2, 2008. TER liaison between Evian-les-Bains (Haute-Savoie) and Geneva had hit a school bus at a level crossing, killing seven adolescents, aged 11 to 13 years, and leaving 25 injured.
The two companies had appealed the decision of judges, for the annulment of the proceedings against them. Their request was considered the end of May, but the judge has rendered its judgment that day by mail.
“It is against RFF and SNCF (…) serious or corroborating evidence making it likely that they could participate in the commission of offenses,” writes in its judgment the investigating chamber. “Factors related to configuration, mode crossing (…) may have played a role in the accident,” she justifies. “RFF and SNCF can not hide behind the sole responsibility of the bus driver, or behind their ignorance of the state of dangerousness of the crossing, or the list of crossings known concern or lack of means including staff involved in crossings … “continues the investigation chamber.
Until then, only the bus driver, who had committed his evil turn at the crossing, was indicted on the same charges.
“This decision shows that it is prudence prevails. It is normal to have a debate and the judiciary poses questions to all stakeholders, “said the prosecutor Annecy, Eric Maillaud.
“This is an excellent decision. RFF and SNCF will be asked to answer a number of questions s, “responded the other hand Georges Rimondi, civil party lawyer evoking the” topography “places and” maintenance work. ” “Differences on track level could explain why because skated,” said the lawyer.
So they debate and take a poll..you cant get better than this.
Tim and BlueBird..I recall even though it was a reverse ip share that BM shared with the Algerian Embassy. He may be more intelligence with a private French group , Global-Metals former staff in Paris went on to a party group affiliated with Sarkozy. the German Consortium erased the Paris office but I found it on the Internet WayBack. To deep to go back.I am glad that Morange connection came up.
Blue I am crazy about your avatar!
The Zaid Al-Hilli who went diving in South Africa and says he is from Iraq and has a facebook still untouched and probably lives in the Netherlands.
His facebook:-
https://www.facebook.com/zaid.alhilli.5
Shows his interests as NANOBIOTECHNOLOGY often the Bio gets dropped to Nanotechnology,
http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/mind-control-using-nanotechnology/
What is Saad + family were killed to get Zaid Al-Hilli to keep toeing the line and using mind control on Aurora + now Sandy Hook.
Chevaline was the warning to the Dutch ZAH.
Is autism similar to being susceptible to Hypnosis.
Some people can be hypnotized very easily and make perfect patients.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnotic_susceptibility
Do people in the Autistic spectrum make ideal ‘mind control patients’?
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22james+holmes%22+autism&aq=f&oq=%22james+holmes%22+autism&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l2.12996&sugexp=chrome,mod=16&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Take your pick from the above suggested links to James Holmes autism/aspergers.
Are chem trails(big step here maybe) the hypnotists way to see who will be their mind control targets?
And finally yes Trow, I now do see that William Hers(h)kovitz could be the Al-Hilli assassin. Was he autistic? Why wasnt he captured at the scene, I dont think he was meant to escape, the others havent.
NR
Mario Lanza is Arnold Cocozza. He simply loved that name. 🙂
However, i dont think that we should make fun of that. You definitely did.
I know the family and got the straight line back into Italy to 1887. Robert – if connected – is not from a straight line. Could be a great uncle or even further related. He is the same age of his father. However, both Peter and Robert Lanza grew up in MA. Though definitely no brothers they were.
Peter J Lanza was born 16 nov 1958.
His brother Michael J Lanza born 15 aug 1955.
Brother Mark J Lanza born 7 march 1957.
There is an obituary of adam’s grandfather where the family is listed.
However, Robert’s family must be a little bit strange, too. He writes about the wedding of his sister Christine:
Christine (my sister) had had a hard life. She had finally found a man that she loved very much. My younger sister couldn’t make it to her wedding because she had a card game that had been scheduled for several weeks. My mother also couldn’t make the wedding due to an important engagement she had at the Elks Club.
Robert Lanza says that death does not exist.
http://www.robertlanza.com/does-death-exist-new-theory-says-no-2/
So when Adam just took those children with him into the next dimension like Robert Lanza predicts ….. well …. then ……
I would really like to know about what the SALK institute is doing. And what is the Elks club?
So what did the Salk institute do with James Holmes, Ira Herskowitz and Robert Lanza?
Searching for Robert Lanza’s biocentrism (i had never heard of this before) i came across some interesting results.
Biocentrism is often used by preppers : Death does not exist, death is an illusion.
They are training and teaching archery (sic!).
They are often part of the animal liberation front. (sic!).
They are often members in cycling clubs (sic!).
They are often vegans.
Does that sound like one of the Sylvain Molliers? Was Sylvain a prepper and a biocentrist?
This sounds strange and conspiracy, but there are some coincidences.
Quote:
though there is some overlap between the environmental and left agenda (that’s the whole basis of the environmental justice movement), IMHO “deep ecology” and/or “biocentrism” (the ideology of the radical “eco-terrorists” like Earth Liberation Front to which you refer) is not a “leftist” idea.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front
And something more regarding biocentrism. For those people (most of them survivalists) death does not exist and is an illusion. You continue to live in another dimension …
Btw., james holmes trained and was teaching archery, too …
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/robert-lanza/does-god-exist-or-not-new_b_802103.html
And Nancy Lanza was a prepper ….
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/17/nancy_lanza_was_a_prepper/
straw
thanks for the zaid al hilli facebook page. I like that zaid al Hilli much more. His face looks much more like the Claygate Zaid al Hilli than the other guy who (pretends?) to be his brother, did ever look like him.
I agree, most of the contacts are biogenetics and bioscience (particularly Iraq, Russia, Japan and South Africa). I wouldn’t wonder when we reserach his contacts to find somebody with a friends link to the SALK institute.
Does the Dutch Saad al Hilli have a facebook page?
@ bluebird 17 Dec, 2012 – 7:15 am
“NR Mario Lanza is Arnold Cocozza. He simply loved that name.”
Is there nothing yo do not know? The Elks are one of the old-time benevolent lodges. They based their rituals on Masonry, but weren’t Masons and since dropped most of the rituals.
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/fraternalism/elks.htm
Did you see this re the Lanza family in New Hampsire?
http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121215/NEWS03/312159999&source=RSS&template=printart
Strange you should mention Animal Liberation and Vegans. I was about to see if Nancy had any connection to veganism, but looking at her pic, she hardly looks like a vegan or even a vegetarian. However, Adam certainly does.
Animal Liberation types figure big in the event involving the cult lawyer in Montana.
That didn’t take long: “At home, Adam often stayed in his room, said family friend Ellen Adriani. Nancy would plan his vegan meals days in advance and was teaching him to cook.” [He also had an unusual medical condition where he didn’t feel pain]
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mother_devoted_her_life_to_him_then_PADqWsNSMfrx3KnO6JnlrI/1
No connection to animal liberation, peta, etc., that is obvious, but there are so many hits because both are in the news right now.
Certainly cult like behaviour..wasnt Hitler a vegetarian and an animal lover? Anyway I remember reading in another homicisde in the Annecy area where a neighbor and his fririends killed another neighbor who was a successful real estate salesman and the entire family burned them afterwards.., He was jealous of the success..but what also caught my eye was mention of the general peoples ressentment he was buying up property and selling it to outsiders,like Brits. On the Francophoney site she mentions no one is consdered from there until at least 2 generations have passed. Although the graffitti was funny..it was serious as to liberation of the Savoie area. It certainly made sense to pick France and that area..if you have groups like that running around , Russian mafia, Italian Mafia, etc at which to point a finger at, using similar arms, and making a solution almost impossible.
@BB:
I’m in a hurry, but when reading the above posts, I just had to think once again thought about that Drummond case years ago.
Nobody has a closer look at that so far.
Even, as there are more similarities than in the X. Balignant case.
But now – with your con-theory – didn’t this man work in the bio-field/research?
I wish I had your time and insight on digging, I had a closer look on that
If you don’t mind, may be you could try and find out if there are any descendants on the British/French side – or even in the investigation teams involved
Sorry, have to go.
May be later more on that!
BTW: I also don’t see the family twist in France to be the reason for this massacre… would be to easy.
But once again – some kind of a “scapegoat” to solve the riddle?
May be it’s really worth to have a closer look at this case!
Shelock
Baligant worked in the pharmaceutical industry (vaccine) due to the Scotland Yard blog.
He was from Nivelles, but there are 37 pharmaceutical companies. Not much chance to pick the right one …
http://www.goldenpages.be/pharmaceutical-products-laboratories/nivelles/
There is most information regarding Baligant (a Syrian name!) in the Scotland Yard blog:
http://scotlandyard.blogspot.co.at/2012/11/xavier-baligant-29.html
Regarding your question for digging French connections I am puzzled because I do not understand for whom (Baligant?) I shall search connections. Please explain a little bit more precise. 🙂
NR
Many thanks for those links. I didn’t know that he was a vegan. That will fit into the biocentrism puzzle. Do we know whether or not Sylvain Mollier was a Vegan and an animal liberation member? I think that this had all been speculation so far. But what if he were a biocentrist? Death wouldn’t be then any bad for him, but perhaps a perfect solution?
Thanks for the ELKS link, too. What I particularly found interesting:
“A few other jokes, all of which were contained in the Ritual Book, described each ordeal in great detail, such as “walking on broken glass,” actually egg shells, and it even mentioned how to end the “horseplay” session with real guns, loaded with blanks, being fired off behind the now-weary and very confused new members.”
Also some members:
“Presidents Warren G. Harding, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman and John F. Kennedy were all Elks. Former President Gerald Ford belongs to Grand Rapids Lodge No. 48, where his father served two terms as Exalted Ruler. Of course, many members of Congress have been Elks, too. Former Speakers of the House Tip O’Neill, Carl Albert, John McCormick and Sam Rayburn all belonged to the fraternity. Former Speaker Tom Foley belongs to Spokane, Washington, Lodge. And the late Hale Boggs of Louisiana was also an Elk.”
NR
I looked the picture of Nancy (Champion) Lanza in that NY Post article that you linked (thank you!), and although I am no expert, I would say that her face looks exactly as a face of a vegan and I am sure that I already met such very similar faces when I was walking on the streets when I saw animal liberation activists there. Her face would fit perfectly. Probably fits ideally. Biocentrism? Survivalist? It’s all making some kind of picture. Taking James Holmes as an addicted bow&arrow archer (was he a vegan, too?) and all the links to the Salk Institute, the neurologist, biogenetics, pharmacists, ….. I think we may get somewhere. However, our problem is that we don’t understand their own world and their ideology right now.
On a funny note from a bird
quote from the Robert Lanza website regarding his work with Fred Skinner:
Skinner hadn’t done any research in nearly two decades-when he taught pigeons to dance with each other, and even to play Ping-Pong.
Our experiments eventually succeeded, and a couple of our papers appeared in Science. The media made a happy use of them with headlines such as “Pigeon Talk:
A Triumph for Bird Brains” (Time magazine),
“Ape-Talk: Two Ways to Skinner Bird” (Science News),
“Birds Talk to B.F. Skinner” (Smithsonian), and
“If You Were a Bird, What Would You Say?” (The Fiji Times).
They were “fun” experiments, Fred explained on the “Today Show.”
I am trying to answer this (on a funny note):
1) I would love to learn ping pong.
2) Bird brains are pretty good in digging, seeing and logic 🙂
3) Ape Talk? We are better than apes!
4) Birds talk to B F Skinner. I am talking to you, too!
5) If You Were a Bird, What Would You Say? My answer: Peep!
http://www.robertlanzabiocentrism.com/an-amazing-summer-with-b-f-fred-skinner/
Now on a serious note:
When skinner were that far in 1978 that he could teach birds ping pong and talk with them just by using biogenetic experiments, how far is the SALK institute science 35 years later?
Would it be possible to “talk” to a human by programming his mind with some kind of electronic bombardment and using him as a willingless drone? Particularly controlling such brains that are having some kind of mental disorder? Or else is that kind of “mental disorder” a result of artificial cell fusion?
This is Robert Lanza. I tried to check his face and gave him the hair of Adam Lanza. His face looks like a face of a very close relative of Adam.
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Robert Lanza is the living embodiment of the character played by Matt Damon in the movie Good Will Hunting. Growing up underprivileged in Stoughton, Mass., south of Boston, the young preteen caught the attention of Harvard Medical School researchers when he showed up on the university steps having successfully altered the genetics of chickens in his basement. Over the next decade, he was to be “discovered” and taken under the wing of scientific giants such as psychologist B. F. Skinner, immunologist Jonas Salk, and heart transplant pioneer Christiaan Barnard. His mentors described him as a “genius,” a “renegade” thinker, even likening him to Einstein.”
Pigeons’ ‘Conversation’ Triggers a Debate About Language
Performed the World’s First Heart Transplant
New England Journal of Medicine 307; 1275 (1983)
Lanza (with Barnard & Cooper)
Growing new body parts, reversing paralysis, stretching the limits of the human life
span: This trailblazing stem cell researcher believes it is all within our reach.
Send in the Clones. Biologist Robert Lanza has a plan to help endangered species fight extinction.
Biologists have developed a technique for establishing colonies of human embryonic stem cells from an early human embryo without destroying it.
Stem Cell Test Tried on Mice Saves Embryo. Technique Could Shift Debate on Humans.
Seven Days of Creation. The inside story of a human cloning experiment.
BIOCENTRISM
How Life and Consciousness are the Keys to Understanding the True Nature of the Universe
“Like “A Brief History of Time” it is indeed stimulating and brings biology into the whole. Any short statement does not do justice to such a scholarly work. Almost every society of mankind has explained the mystery of our surroundings and being by invoking a god or group of gods. Scientists work to acquire objective answers from the infinity of space or the inner machinery of the atom. Lanza proposes a biocentrist theory which ascribes the answer to the observer rather than the observed. The work is a scholarly consideration of science and philosophy that brings biology into the central role in unifying the whole. The book will appeal to an audience of many different disciplines because it is a new way of looking at the old problem of our existence. Most importantly, it makes you think.”
Why Are You Here? A New Theory May Hold the Missing Piece
Who Are We? Experiments Suggest You’re Not Who You Think
Does Death Exist? New Theory Says ‘No’
What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots
Does the Past Exist Yet? Evidence Suggests Your Past Isn’t Set in Stone
Is Death the End? Experiments Suggest You Create Time
Do You Only Live Once? Experiments Suggest Life Not One–Time Deal
Five Reasons You Won’t Die
Judgement Day is Coming. Science Suggests Justice is Inescapable.
Anything Beyond the Universe? New Theory Changes Our Destiny
Are We Part of a Single Living Organism?
Have Aliens Left The Universe? Theory Predicts We’ll Follow
Are Dreams An Extension Of Physical Reality?
What Happens When You Die?
Now let’s think that the Lanza family perhaps lived a live of biocentrics as their ideology. Those simple questions (see above) mentioned in the homepage of Robert Lanza alone might trigger some of us to put an end to their physical life and perhaps even taking some others with them.
http://www.robertlanza.com/
Sorry when being a bit offtopic, but I don’t think that this is off topic.
@ BB 10.16
No, there’s a misunderstanding.
What I wanted to say: The press put a lot of attention in the Balignant case. But NOT into the Drummond-case. In the latter, there are quite a lot of paralleles to find.
So my idea would be to find out any links to this Drummond case. If you have a look you will understand what I mean. I’ve got a good summary, but it’s in German. Too much for translating, at least to me. Let me know if you’re interested in that one. So google can do the (worse) translation.
My thoughts were (due to Mr. Drummonds work/research and possible involvement into ISs and both crime scenes in France, not far from Annecy and.. and…. and)
– if this might be some kind of a copy-kill(er)?
– If there might be some inside war (like in US) between the
French Police/Gendarmes/Int. Service……
– Or even between British-French ?
– if there could be descendants from either the French or British side, who did some kind of “late revenge”
or… or… or….
Just another possible scenario with multiple possiblities.
So you- with your ability into digging and linking may be you could look at the Drummonds, Domminics, Maillauds, Vinnemans.
Hope this is explained understandable
Here’s the linke once again:
http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/37/37949/1.html
You’ll be quite surprised when reading this article, promised!
Please note the article has two parts.
Either you hit the button “Teil 1” at the very page or you follow this link
http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/37/37948/1.html
And good luck with google translate 😉
Oh shelock, that’s such an old case. There will hardly be anything digitally to search for. Of course, the accident was very similar.
Particularly that paragraph:
“Anne’s body was found near the car. Jack’s lay on the other side of the N96, covered by a camp bed. They had both been shot by a Rock-Ola rifle. The body of 10-year-old Elizabeth was found 77 metres away, down the path leading to the river, on the other side of the bridge over the railway. Her head had been brutally smashed in by the stock of the rifle. The barrel of the murder weapon was soon found in the river, with the stock a short distance downstream. It is likely that the force of the blow or blows used to kill Elizabeth had also broken the stock off the rifle.”
So the girl hasn’t been shot but smashed with a rifle and that blow had broken the stock off the rifle. Wasn’t that more or less exactly how they did explain Zainab’s injuries?
So we can think about it:
1) They invented a script based on the Drummond assassination (easy to copy and to study for the actors)
or
2) The killer(s) acted just like the killer(s) in the Drummond assassination.