The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
“Sylvain Mollier’s brother, Christophe, apparently speaking to the media for the first time, told the paper that his family had been interviewed for less than an hour by the police. “We expected far longer interviews in an inquiry of this gravity.”
Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/annecy-shootings/50638/al-hilli-massacre-cyclist-was-embroiled-inheritance-row#ixzz2FMDBPCIU
Even the French find the approach of the French investigation inexplicable.
Funny coincidence. Read the obituary of the Marquis Manfredi Lanza again! He was the first Lanza in America and he should be the great great grandfather of Adam Lanza.
In the obituary it states that his father (Count Tandori) was related to Queen Marguerite His uncle was Cardinal Rampolla. Both names are explosive.
Queen Marguerite is the Princess of Savoie and the Queen of Italy. The Lanzas are family related to the Princess of Savoie and her ancestors. I am not a royal expert and it took me some time. Then i saw this Marguerite.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita_of_Savoy
Many Sapaudians (SAVOIENS) would likely want their Royals back.
Marquis Lanza is also a relative of Cardinal Mariano Tandori Rampolla.
Cardinal Rampolla would have been the Pope in 1903, but the Austrians had a veto because they knew that he was a free mason.
Marquis Lanza moved into the USA in 1870. He married Clara Hammond, Marquise Manfredi Lanza. Now, the Hammonds have Royal ancestors, too. Scroll the link down to Hammond.
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/lyman-horace-weeks/prominent-families-of-new-york-being-an-account-in-biographical-form-of-individ-kee/page-44-prominent-families-of-new-york-being-an-account-in-biographical-form-of-individ-kee.shtml
Hammonds are ancestors of the Duke of Normandy.
Lanzas have Royal ancestors from Savoye and Normandy.
This might be just coincidence, though the imbreeding of Royals could cause a mental illness from time to time. Sometimes even 100 years later.
I find it exciting to link Lanza to the Queen of Savoie who should be his great great great aunt, and to the “almost Pope” Rampolla who must be his great great great uncle.
This is not a normal family like you and me …..
Q
17 Dec, 2012 – 6:12 pm I agree Q. Maybe even me and you??? This aside we know the advanced capability of the USA in such matters and less about other nations but you can be sure in the technology race everyone plays catch-up. The operation at Chevaline was co-ordinated and as I have said from the beginning either the meet between killers and targets arranged, or the meeting between the parties was known by the killers. If the latter and if this was a state assassination as I think looks likely, it is quite possible that satellite surveillance was used to confirm the meeting and time the assault to perfection. Presumably weather conditions (cloud) would be a factor although other techniques (infrared, heat etc) may be used. Even Maillaud raised the possibility when he said they had checked satellite movements which incidentally rather give the lie to his theory of crazed gunman, criminal of Serb paramilitaries. I think it is only Martin who refers to 4×4 as far as we know, although there is suggestion that village witnesses might have suggested seeing it. Apart from it changing colour from “green” through “dark” to “black” we have the twin baffling suggestions, both equally incredible, that it was a forestry vehicle or that it could be confused with a white Peugeot 208! For some Reason Martin dropped it into his account both “speeding” past him towards the scene and leaving it, together with a motor cycle. It’s almost as if this is another method of undermining the official French story line, which has had more revisions than a script from Dad’s Army, without giving too much away. Has a trained pilot ever been less effective in a debrief? How long do you think it will be before Maillaud plays the part of the scapegoat (Hebrew) and falls on his sword (Roman) or suffers a heart attack whilst traversing a bog?!!!
And yet still no one has taken up my challenge to offer a viable explanation for the presence of the military types (SAS?) at the BRITISH Embassy. They can’t be stationed there all the time I would think so was this coincidence or coterminous?
@ Bluebird : Further to the mentions of veganism and appearance above. DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor nor do I play one on the Internet, so take this with a grain of [iodized] salt.
Protruding eyes, Exophthalmos, Proptosis, Bulging eyes: Image
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4663033940018113&pid=15.1
Below is from:
http://www.vegansociety.com/lifestyle/nutrition/iodine.aspx
“Iodine is typically undesirably low (about 50 micrograms/day compared to a recommended level of about 150 micrograms per day) in UK vegan diets unless supplements, iodine rich seaweeds… About half the iodine consumption in the UK comes from dairy products. In the US iodised salt is widely used and some other foods are fortified with iodine. In Canada all table salt is iodized…”
“It is important not to over-consume iodine as it has a relatively narrow range of intakes that reliably support good thyroid function (about 100 to 300 micrograms per day). Someone consuming large amounts of iodised salt or seaweeds could readily overdo it. Excessive iodine has a complex disruptive effect on the thyroid and may cause either hypothyroidism or hyperthyroidism, in susceptible individuals.”
They mentioned it can cause a related illness, Grave’s disease, one symptom of which is hyperactivity. With health concerns and many people, not only vegans, cutting back on salt and using un-iodized kosher salt, the amounts of iodine added to table salt may no longer be sufficient.
“The track cyclist closed 99.9%”, for the Attorney
12.17.2012
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/tuerie-de-chevaline-la-piste-du-cycliste-fermee-a-99-9-estime-le-procureur_188727.html
Thank you Tim for the link you gave at 12.05 this morning.
For the first time I hear that Pierre Morange was Claire’s uncle, and a quick calculation leads me to the conclusion that he is the brother of her mother. And the article cites The Sunday Times for the following:
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So for the first time we have a link to French power politics. Now I can better understand why all the family’s Twitter and Facebook activity has been brought to and end. That all of it terminated suggested some central instruct, and in the top-steered France they just follow what this prominent family member had advised them to. The good name of Morange undoubtely plays a role as to why the Schutz-Morange Pharmacy has been a succes story, either through Morange start up capital and/or political influence (always nice to have in top steered France, I should imagine.
Bluebird – What can you come up with re the Morange’s. Where do they come from?
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I agree with Tim that this has all the hallmarks of a arranged visit in order to “kill two birds with one stone”, and Israel has connections in the Interior Ministry in Paris since the days when Shimon Persky from white Russia set up office (In the French Interior Ministry!) and coordinated the joint French-Israeli development of nuclear bombs, so a phone call from shimon to the relavant parties in the French interior Ministry would be quite enough to delay certain investigations.
U-P-D-A-T-E.
Googling an image of Pierre morange, shows a very strong resembance to Claire’s mother, so I guess this brother-sister relationship is settled then?
Been away for a while, the internet here has been dead slow and stop too, I was blaming the not so Great Firewall, or even my local area network. Maybe it was more widespread!? I mean, can they do that? Can they slow down the whole worldwide web? Whoever ‘they’ are?
So much to catch up on.
Pink re the location. Good question. I did ask whether there was any significance in Martinet being so close to the departement boundary? Presumably being so far away from the administrative centres of both Haute-Savoie and Savoie could cause some kind of jurisdictional wrangling, or at least delay while the authorities sort themselves out to enable the perps to make a clean getaway!? A tell of a very well organised attack, or just another coincidence?
And so,it emerges that both the al Hilli and Mollier/Schulz families were embroiled in some kind of family feud re money. Pure coincidence again? Strange that the sums involved are all over a million pounds or euros, I don’t think it matters! Are we all millionaires these days? Or is there a website for lonely onlies with family disputes worth more than a million? Is this how SAH and SM met up?
And now even Trow is getting some recognition for his theory re Herskowitch as a possible perp on behalf of the Mossad.
And the Lanza and Holmes shootings and now even B. F. Skinner and his Behaviourism.
Who would ever have thought when this started where this story would reach? Amazing, absolutely amazing!
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I am still looking for links I saw this that I am curious about .
Scroll down to the bottom of this mirror story to the photo gallery ,the second picture is of a map with a red flag in Giez ,can anyone see why that is there ?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shootings-saad-al-hilli-1310898
I was looking at a golf club in Giez ages ago so I will link to the map for that if you zoom in you can follow the border line .
http://www.1golf.eu/en/club/golf-de-giez-lac-d-annecy/map-and-location/
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On this DI link go to post 460 09-09-2012, 11:19 AM
2nd picture credited to Matrix news agency
What are the photographers taking pictures of they are all looking at something I can’t see anything there?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221659&page=23
A cautious assessment about what the British and the Americans thought about France and Israel getting nuclear weapons, would be that they didn’t like it one bit! Neither of them thought that the French contribution to the WW2 effort had been particularly glamourous, and that spreading of nuclear weapons generally was a mess that should be avoided, and that France could just as well be covered by the American nuclear umbrella. A good deal of French self-assertiveness and intransigence in the De Gaulle years could undoubtedly be attributed to this new found prestige and glory stemming from being one among only a handful of countries possesing these weapons.
That it wasn’t a good idea either to let Israel have them, we were painfully reminded in October 1973, when Israel began to talk about using nuclear weapons, if they did not get supplies of conventional weapons. That naturally spooked the Americans, so that they started the airlift, which in turn led the Arabs to turn of the tap, which triggered the most severe economic setback since the Depression.[Click on me name to see the consequences for ONE country, and go on ans set up your own website for the consequnces in YOUR country] This was the first example in the world of nuclear blackmail, not being carried out by some roque regime but by a country that consider itself as belonging to the West, and which after this blackmail went on to become the “dearest” friend of The United States; from 1975 it became the greatest beneficiary of US Foreign aid, a position it has had ever since. It is quite possible that this whole show was eneabled just in order to tie the US firmly to it as a strategic partner.
Of course YOU never heard any of this, and what really triggered the Arab oil boycot. YOU always thought it was these pesky Arabs. And the chief reason you have had NO clue all these years, is that noone really knew whether Israel had nuclear weapons or not. And without the Internet we probably still would be in the dark. I think it was at the turn of the century that I first read about how Israel got the bomb, on some [obscure] website. Then in 2008 former President Jimmy Carter said at a book-fair in Wales: “Israel has 150 nuclear weapons” . And in 2010 we got this video-recorded speach by the emminent professor at Chicago’s University, John J. Mearsheimer telling us about Israel’s nuclear blackmail. So after all these years the truth has come out, and as John himself has put it, the internet has been a game changer in this respect.
So it’s really just a couple of years since Israel’s veil of “ambiugity” about whether or not they have nuclear weapons, was torn down. Remember if the French and Israelis could have it their way, you still would be in the dark about this, and if it had been up to them, the internet would not have existed.
So even with reports of a dispute over money on the French side, Eric rushes to England to “blame it” on roots there !
Mollier is brushed into a grave and the village thanked for their “silence”.
Yet someone must have “released” information with regards this local “mystery”.
Once the reporting had started, it was said that Mollier was on “three years paternity” leave.
A fact much debated on this forum. (How was this so ?).
Clearly someone in “the willage” or at CEZUS wasn’t playing ball.
Tim V 1:15AM – quite likely as you know I agree on this score :
1. An arranged meeting – Mollier, SAH + family.
2. killers part of the meeting or get wind of the meeting – either way – it’s a double or triple cross.
3. BM – whatever he was up to – keeping tabs on Mollier or part of the meet is not a happy puppy – he/his agency were double crossed – result: he ain’t playing ball. You brought up the 4×4 – a dead give away of displeasure + refusing to admit to 3:48PM call – both have the effect of “sticking it to the French”, a la – you figure out a way out of thi – nice try with that forestry vehicle – looks like the good folks at CM not buying. neither are TMZ folks.
Now, my add:
4. EM desperate – story with lone crazed tourist killer gunman not working out – absolutely no one is buying – one can sense the sketicism even on MSM (pathetic that they are). As for Zaid Al Hilli and the inheritance dispute – again – got no legs. Zaid just ain’t up to the task of murder most foul in Combe d’Ire. Katie’s Mr. X – not bad (anything is possible) but kind of dangerous – that guy has got lawyers! maybe better leave along…ah – so here’s a bone – the ire of famille Schutz-Morange – Le crime passionnelle (sp?). maybe someone will bite? anyone?
5. One good clue – SM needs funds -but what can he provide? what does SM got (other than the lovely Claire and 2 handsome boys + baby for the road)? we really never figured that out – what is it that SM could sell that someone would kill for and go for lots of trouble to make sure no one knows.
Darn, a cul-de-sac – again….**
Back to BB’s mind control and nanobots (more later BB – when time allows…but you’ll be disappointed I fear – –).
___**reminder; I know you guys don’t believe it – but the extraction scenario has answers! only problem: too complicated. My suggestion – may be it had to be?
___***2cents: I claim credit for first suggesting that it could also be an extraction scenario gone wrong. This is copyrighted and I am pursuing a trade mark as we speak —–(too bad Tim V ain’t buying – could have sold the rights for mucho dinaro if only I could get his stamp of approval!).
I will urge any of you to set up websites about how much the Israeli threat [about using nuclear weapons] costed YOUR country, like the one you can see when you click on me name.
It should be possible to get hold of charts from your Central Bank about how the debt exploded, following the threat.
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Reminder: I will remind everyone that because the Arabs had no suicidal leanings [And knew about the Israeli nuclear weapons: Could have been told by the US, the USSR, the UK or discreetly by the Israelis themselves] they had no intention of entering Israel proper, but instead sought to take small slices of the territory back that Israel had conquered in 1967, in order to enhance their bargaining positions in peace negociations after the war. And when the US conventionel weapons arrived, the Israelis had gained the initiative, so this [unheard of ] threat and what followed was a complete waste that costed the world dearly. But of course, as I said, Israel got itself a firm strategic partner thereafter. And that a country like the UK was punished — the crisis there was much more severe than for example in Denmark (which I deal with beacause I know it better), to an extent that Great Britain was almost put under administration by the IMF!
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It is my experience that such a series of websites that exposes Israel in this way will be very effective in pronouncing it as an outcast in the international community and towards all decent behaviour among countries for what it did at that time. And as I said it would have been difficult to make these websites just 5 years ago. Only now when we have firm testimonies of Israels posetion of nuclear weapons — which made the threat credible — are such websites possible.
I hate to write this and thus move myself further into the sick Israeli thinking, but the paragraph above should — If you for a brief moment try to enter into these outlandish realms — read:
And that a country like the UK was punished — the crisis there was much more severe than for example in Denmark (which I deal with because I know it better) — to an extent that Great Britain was almost put under administration by the IMF! was undoubtedly regarded as an added benefit [by these bastards!]
@Marlin
18 Dec, 2012 – 9:34 am
‘le crime passionel’ – That’s the spelling! I know as I advanced the very same theory weeks and weeks ago. Glad to see you taking it up.
I have always believed SM was the key component to the shooting, if that’s what actually happened, as the killers’ (careful where you place that apostrophe!)kicked off their action as soon as he arrived on the scene and seem to have unleashed an especially furioius ire and extreme violence against him.
I can only assume EM thinks he’s being cute and playing the reverse psychology card by totally denying SM’s involvement in the hope of flushing out the perpetrator(s). (‘Sacre bleu, Eric, tu es fou .. of course Sylvain was the main target!! C’etait moi!’).
Claire sure is a fit chick, and I daresay she has a lot of disappointed paramours, none of whom would be too fond of horny old Sylvain!
@Marlin
18 Dec, 2012 – 9:34 am
I was thinking about this cycling up the hill on my way home just now. I think you’ll find ‘extraction gone wrong’ or other covert operation gone wrong has been a favourite theory of many of us from the outset.
This is what CM says right at the head of this thread. There is certainly enough evidence to point to a covert HUMINT operation to justify this point of view also.
Keep digging guys!
NR
thanks for the veganism links. Interesting. What about Mollier and veganism. Do we have any infos?
Interesting about Morange-Schutz connection. Will try to find something.
I am also digging into a Schutz-Royalist link. Will take time. Marguerite, Queen of Savoie, Queen of Italy and (!!) Queen of Jerusalem! Did not know that the Savoiens were kings of jerusalem. Then we have the family link between Marquis Lanza and the Queen of Savoie who was his aunt or his cousin. Schutz Royalists? Who else in Savoie is a Royalist. Savoiens were the Kings of Jerusalem? Crazy!
Sorensen: Google for the Samson Option (Gulda Meir). That is why Europe is so afraid of a nuclear war in Israel. Of course, israel has nuclear weapons.
Re nuclear incidents. Somebody mentioned that SM was involved in a nuclear accident. And that he apparently had no hair caused by that accident. Is that approved? I was thinking about Brun who was 35 and who had no hair, he even made jokes about it.
Do we know where the French do have their nuclear bunkers for military organisation and government? Could one of those be uphill? I saw two blank spots in that forest approx 500 meters uphill. Could that be digged in ramps for intercontinantal nuclear missiles? This is just an idea, no reason to take this for serious with the missile and command centre. SM perhaps being selected as the guide between parking and command centre? Bit somebody did interfere before they could get there? Just a guess.
I am going to dig deeper into Schutz/Royalist connections. Who wpuld be the next Queen of Savoie and Jerusalem if the Royalists would come back? Does anybody have a name? There still must be a royal ancestry waiting for the throne … Perhaps after a devastating war?
These are educated bastards. They know psychology, they know sociology amd how to interact with any populace! And they are a nation at war [That’s why the world generally are very anxious to find a peace solution, because its not good for the international ‘climate’ to have such people who regards themselves as being constantly at war], and they hold antagonism against the UK (Due to what they regard as unjust British holding back Jewish immigrants to Palestine in the 30’s and 40’s], and they know that the UK was more dependent than the US on Middle Eastern oil, so they knew all this beforehand, what it would mean to be threatening using nuclear weapons in order to get conventional weapons. They knew an international crisis would follow. And not only did they do it, but they created the story that the Arabs had been trying to throw them into the sea! and that the Arabs were some crazy nutters who couldn’t be reckoned with.
As this story shows, the reality was quite the opposite. But now it is important to get the news out, because in my experience many, many people still don’t know anything about this Israeli threat, which happened in October 1973.
@Bluebird
18 Dec, 2012 – 11:09 am
Totally O/T unless you find another royal genealogical link. Is there not still a living Jacobite claimant to the thrones of England and Scotland lurking around somewhere?
Those Hanoverians and the Saxe-Coburg Gothas are mere interlopers!
@ Pink 18 Dec, 2012 – 6:40 am
“On this DI link go to post 460 09-09-2012, 11:19 AM
2nd picture credited to Matrix news agency
What are the photographers taking pictures of they are all looking at something I can’t see anything there?”
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221659&page=23
I can’t see anything either. In all these pics of the photogs gathered round “something” the caption never explains exactly what it is (except one where they say blood on a stone, which we can see).
I thought of the reason why some show one of the photogs putting a hand in the frame and pointing. It is to give scale to the pic so we know the size of the “something” that they don’t describe.
The video you linked to on the Daily Mail a few days ago of the filled cuts in the earth, I can’t play it on my setup. The DM is using some sort of embedded video player.
Eric Maillaud is saying that Sylvain Mollier was killed purely because he was there at the wrong time and place, and he is 99.99% sure of that.
I wonder if he is willing to take bets at 10,000-1 that he is incoreect.
I would certainly be willing to bet a fair few Euros on him being wrong.
Any other takers?
@ Mochyn69 18 Dec, 2012 – 11:16 am
“@Bluebird 18 Dec, 2012 – 11:09 am
Totally O/T unless you find another royal genealogical link. Is there not still a living Jacobite claimant to the thrones of England and Scotland lurking around somewhere?
Those Hanoverians and the Saxe-Coburg Gothas are mere interlopers!”
Even more off-topic, there is a still living descendant of the Romanovs, the rightful heir to the seat of the Czar of all the Russias. The same as Mr. X, it is better if we don’t say his name here. [It is like Charlie, when asked if a witness feared him, the witness said, “Not Charlie, but the friends he has.”]
Mochyn
Perhaps you are right and it is off topic. However, this is the first reliable reason and link about why sime Savoiens might have a feud with Jerusalem’s current owners and why there is an obviously deep sympathy for Palestine and PLO in Savoie. Its the Royalists and the Nationalists. Savoiens were king of Jerusalem even less than 100 years ago! It is definitely worth to dig deeper. The Marquis Lanza family relations with the Queen of Savoie are likely OT, but those made me find the Savoie-Jerusalem link.
Also we know that Kadhim al Hilli was a Royalist. He said – according to Olifants arab links – that he wanted the Royals back in Iraq. Royals are relatives all over the world!
I found the guy who should be next King of Savoie, King of Italy and King of Jerusalem. He lives in Geneve.
Biographie d’Emmanuel-Philibert de Savoie
Emmanuel-Philibert de Savoie (à l’état civil italien Emanuele Filiberto di Savoia), né le 22 juin 1972 à Genève en Suisse est second prétendant au trône de roi d’Italie après son père en cas du retour de la monarchie en Italie. 1972 il naît le 22 juin à Genève en Suisse. Fils unique du Prince Victor-Emmanuel de Savoie (actuel chef de la Maison royale d’Italie (Maison de Savoie)) et de Marina Doria (fille d’industriel roturier). Il reçoit le titre de prince de Venise et de prétendant au titre de chef de la maison de Savoie. 1983 suite à la mort de son grand-père Humbert II d’Italie, dernier roi d’Italie (monarchie italienne est abrogée depuis le 2 juin 1946), son père devient duc de Savoie et lui devient Prince de Piémont (titre jusque là porté par son père qui donne son titre de prince à son fils) Il vie en exil à Genève en Suisse : les membres de la Maison royale d’Italie (Maison de Savoie) ont été exilé du territoire italien en 1946, à la suite du référendum instaurant la république italienne. Le peuple reproche à son roi Victor-Emmanuel III d’Italie d’avoir cosigné les lois raciales de Benito Mussolini en 1938.
And the wife is French actress Clothilde Coureau. I think they have two little girls as children.
More Martins: The writer David James Smith, in The Sunday Times (UK), 16 December 2007, (Kate and Gerry McCann: Beyond the smears) wrote about the Madeleine McCann case:
“I heard that a PJ officer had been surprised to find a member of MI5 at a UK meeting about the case, and this made him suspicious that shadowy forces could be at work.”
“The Sol journalist Felicia Cabrita mentioned the ‘mysterious Clarence’ – Clarence Mitchell, the former government PR officer turned McCann spokesman – and I was told there was suspicion too about another government official, Sheree Dodd, who had acted as a PR officer for the McCanns briefly in the early days…”
“The McCann’s employed no fewer than 14 former MI-5 and MI-6 agents to assist with this investigation. They’ve brought nothing more to prove what happened to Madeleine.”
That leads to an impossibly convoluted story about Martin van Wyk, aged 44, ex – Military police investigator, security company owner and private investigator who works out of South Africa. He wants to contact Martin Brunt, “please advise, or forward this email to him”.
But also involved is Stephen* Birch who is 47 years old and a South African businessman, who claims to have discovered the mortal remains of Maddie. Van Wyk sues Birch (or the other way round) for stealing his evidence.
The McCanns were in cahoots with Murdoch’s UK Sun and star reporter Alex West, allegedly faking a FaceBook page to discredit a Portugese policeman, as a trade-off for exclusive rights to McCanns’ story. West’s father, you’ll recall, is Baron West one-time security adviser to the PM.
Why did South Africans travel to Portugal? The Mcanns paid or they or the tabloids offered a reward? The charities set up to help solve the mystery collected hundreds of thousands of pounds. Later, the McCanns had a falling out with the press (don’t know if it was The Sun) and testified before Lord Leveson’s Commission.
* We had a STEPHEN JOHN KELLY who was the nominee director of tens of thousands of companies, many registered at 21 BUCKLE STREET ALDGATE EAST LONDON E1 8NN and some involved in HSBC, BVI and Magnitsky murder in Russia (+1 in Surrey recently).
@ Mochyn69 18 Dec, 2012 – 11:16 am
@ Bluebird 18 Dec, 2012 – 11:09 am
I forgot to put my smiley face 🙂 behind what I said about Romanov, to show it was a joke, and not to take too seriously.
Bluebird, what we were saying about Adam Lanza and vegans, it is funny the vegans put many comments after the stories of Jared Loughner and James Holmes, saying if they were vegans the massacres would never happen, because it is only flesh eaters who kill. They demanded the government put them on a strict vegan diet, maybe with a little salt and some distilled water, and monitor all their bodily fluid outputs until they are detoxified and back to normal.
With Adam Lanza there is not a mention of this. It blows the theory and even suggests veganism may cause problems.
Bluebird I appreciate if you direct your considerable talents towards the Morrange family. It is in evey way news, that a guy involved in French power politics should be the uncle of sylvain Molliers wife!
And I wouldn’t bother to venture into any French royalist dealings, because — as anyone who have spent ½ hour in that country can testify — royalists are very much a thretened minority in this Republique par excellance.
Anyway, for anyone interested in the murky realms of French political history, here’s a chart of the Vichy-zone dureing WW2. As far as I can make it out, the area that we are concerned with here — i.e. around lake Annecy — was occupied by Italians (!) from 1940-43.
Confirmation genevieve morange
http://lesconseilsdupharmacien.info/pins.htm
However, this isnt necessarily a relatives link to pierre morange. But it is a good start.
It looks pretty impossible that genevieve morange is the mother of claire schutz. She wasnt even married to thierry schutz in 2001. She must be the step mother.
Also on the genetic part, claire schutz has no identities with ms. Morange. Claire Schutz looks like an athletic, strong, muscular and tall woman, even more an athlete than her father, while ms. Morange looks like a barbie doll compared to claire. There are no genetic similarities, face and skull completely different, too. I bet 10.000 dollars that claire had another (more athletic built) mother and that mrs. Morange is the second wife of mr. Schutz.
Bluebird said:
Right, but according to your own link, they were called “Geneviève et Thierry SCHUTZ” in March 2001