The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
BB
LFR-
https://plus.google.com/109091265050190457730/about?gl=uk&hl=en
[http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061038308&postcount=1024]
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?num=10&hl=en&sa=X&tbo=d&biw=1099&bih=560&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:6/9/2012,cd_max:6/9/2012&tbm=isch&tbnid=TxlRsEsAFJ1ANM:&imgrefurl=http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D1061039461&docid=bi5hVGDrP5BRAM&imgurl=http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1308585.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/BMW%252B&w=615&h=409&ei=Z33mUMmFDuGM0AWEu4E4&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=793&vpy=56&dur=462&hovh=182&hovw=273&tx=219&ty=83&sig=112673049740154760789&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=202&start=0&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0,i:118
NR
Thanks for the NYT link.
So the cousin of Ziad Jarrah is a Mossad agent? Surprise, surprise!
According to Saddam and history of Iraq, Hashim al Hilli worked for a foreign secret service and therefore he was jailed and tortured. Hashim was trained by OSS and travelled together with Saddams father Hassan Ibrahim and his uncle Hammoudi al Madjid to Ann Arbour as diplomats in 1938 to receive US training and briefing. Since the Saddam Hussein family was trained by CIA, i see no reason why Hashim would have been tortured as a spy when he were just working for CIA like the Ibrahim and al Madjid family did. They were on the same side, except when Hashim would have started to work for Israel, too. That would be a good reason for arrest and torture in 1969 when Saddam took over the Baath party.
Therefore there is a chance that SAH worked for Israel. And i am still looking at tge likely event of SAH being one planning or executing part of the 9/11 operation. Perhaps somebody who became an enemy and a dangerous threat for leaking the truth and leaking other planning members of that false flag operation? Then a dearh penalty would be the only option. Just a theory, but the now confirmed Jarrah-Mossad link gives that theory new proof.
Tim V @11.56 pm
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?num=10&hl=en&tbo=d&biw=1099&bih=560&tbm=isch&tbnid=gg2HN_7X3IQmaM:&imgrefurl=http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3532793.ece&docid=SiOhn5gjGPBqbM&imgurl=http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00334/112825739_witness_334617b.jpg&w=780&h=520&ei=E8HmUOivHseP0AWHkIHgDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=4&vpy=170&dur=138&hovh=183&hovw=276&tx=152&ty=108&sig=112673049740154760789&page=1&tbnh=129&tbnw=201&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:89
Thanks straw.
However, check this picture on linkedin. Enlarge it. This is – for my eyes – 100% the same guy who is in that telegraph picture. The job description does not fit at all and neither the region. This is not looking right, is it?however, this is the same guy on the newspaper’s picture.
http://fr.linkedin.com/pub/laurent-fillion/25/ba1/b5a
No Bluebird, its not the same guy. The bricklayer/builder/mason guy looks honest and decent, something that his honest and hard work gives him, whereas the graphical designer has this indoor, unsound and unfit look about him, you know people sitting indoor all day in neon-lights
To be honest Bluebird, I can’t see him being the same guy.
But what did make me chuckle was the “Institut des GOBELINS” !
WTF ! French Gnomes !
Then it made me go “Jeeez”. IF it was him, then the term “it was like a movie set” would really apply ! Have you seen Le GOBELINS !
Very media !
Alas, it looks like it’s not.
And I do seem to recall LFR being in the French Golden Pages.
And little ads on the interweb re “masons”.
Of course this could be “planted”, but I don’t feel it was.
That’s the one Pink
4 Jan, 2013 – 5:30 am – Thanks. What can be the reason for it not being included in any of the photographs if you Google “Al Hilli Images” I wonder?
Thanks james and sorensen.
I am not that good in identifying faces. I would certainly call “hello” to both of them when i knew only one of them, simply because i would believe that they are one and the same guy. But i am not good in doing face identification.
Cheers Straw for the links you provided.
Yep, looks like “Laurent” is all over the web as a “macon” (mason).
“Fillion Laurent Eurl” or rather “Laurent Fillion LTD” (EURL).
I say he was/is most certainly not an actor.
If anything, he is a thorn in the side of the French investigation.
He’s the one that supports WBM did not see SAH on the R. D’Ire.
And further.
If we accept “Laurent Fillion EURL” saw the BMW at the time he stated (14.40) then this would clearly show that….
A. The police for whatever reason are not disclosing information (at best) or are providing false information (at worst).
and B. It is “likely” (due to the time spent at the carpark) that he was preparing to or actually departing that location.
James
“French Animation School”
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobelins_School_of_the_Image
It’s a crazy coincidence. He’s a graphic designer there. However, i accept it when the majority believes that he is the builder. On the other hand, it is bizarre as his body looks more like a body of a computer expert than the body of a builder usually looks like. But thats my imagination.
Blue
It was funny that he was in animation etc.
BUT our guy is here…
EURL LAURENT FILLION
The company named LAWRENCE EURL FILLION headquartered at 74370 Promery PRINGY. It was registered on 12.02.1991 with the Registrar of the Tribunal of Commerce under number 380 783 738 ANNECY with the legal form: LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY. Its main activity is: Real Estate Management and unfinished buildings building
ROBIN FILLION Laurent
ROBIN FILLION Laurent holds the position of Manager within EURL LAURENT FILLION. This is a decision maker MAN born
EURL LAURENT FILLION
The company EURL LAURENT FILLION has an establishment named LAWRENCE EURL FILLION registered under number 38078373800012 and at 47 TEN PIECE OF PRINGY 74370. This is a Head Office. You can reach them by phone at 04 50 27 17 34. The fax is 04 50 27 33 13
http://www.numero-tva.info/numero-tva/00/87/00873035.html
NR
4 Jan, 2013 – 5:55 am
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/world/middleeast/19lebanon.html
“For 25 years, Ali al-Jarrah managed to live on both sides of the bitterest divide running through this region. To friends and neighbors, he was an earnest supporter of the Palestinian cause, an affable, white-haired family man who worked as an administrator at a nearby school.
To Israel, he appears to have been a valued spy, sending reports and taking clandestine photographs of Palestinian groups and Hezbollah since 1983.
He was finally arrested last July by Hezbollah, which now has perhaps the most powerful intelligence apparatus in this country. It handed him to the Lebanese military — along with his brother Yusuf, who is accused of helping him spy — and he awaits trial by a military court.
It is not the family’s first brush with notoriety. One of Mr. Jarrah’s cousins, Ziad al-Jarrah, was among the 19 hijackers who carried out the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, though the men were 20 years apart in age and do not appear to have known each other well.”
WIKI:- “Ziad Samir Jarrah (Arabic: زياد سمير جراح, Ziyād Samīr Ǧarrāḥ) (May 11, 1975 – September 11, 2001) was one of the perpetrators of the September 11 attacks who served as the hijacker-pilot of United Airlines Flight 93, crashing the plane into a field in a rural area near Shanksville—after a passenger uprising—as part of the coordinated attacks.”
ME: So we gather one of the alleged hijackers of Flight 93, – the one that crashed before reaching target – Ziad Jarrah was the cousin of a long-standing spy for Israel. Amazingly his charred passport was also found after the crash. His family disputes his involvement. However it lends credence to those who claim that bot Mossad and CIA were deeply implicated in the 9/11 attacks.
Yep Marlin
4 Jan, 2013 – 10:11 am it is. but now if you google “Al Hilli Images” in the dozens listed there it is no where to be found. In other words unless you are clever like Pink and know where to look, it is difficult to find. Or am I being overly paranoid?
Thanks to you too Straw44berry
4 Jan, 2013 – 11:33 am. I see that Fillion address at https://plus.google.com/109091265050190457730/about?gl=uk&hl=en for a masonry builder is north of Annecy so it could be him.
Good try Bluebird
4 Jan, 2013 – 1:42 pm. You know how unreliable Identity Parades are? At least it gave me a few minutes of frustrating enjoyment going backwards and forwards comparing. As Private Eye would say “Are they by any chance related?” LOL
well found James
4 Jan, 2013 – 1:57 pm. the internet search skill of ppl on here never fail to amaze!
Tim…
I’d like to take credit, but it was “Strawberry” that posted the link, I merely “cut n paste’d” the name (including the French “LTD” on it) into google. Hey presto, there’s Laurent’s company.
But if you wnat to know about “searches”, something has always bothered me.
You mentioned 9/11.
Well a little thing also got reported at the time. It was “unknown” share dealing that went on.
One of these deals (although there are several) didn’t get “claimed”.
One a PUT option on the Airline (basically a leveraged sell order, without getting to much into that). The San Francisco Post ran with investigations, can’t remember what happened in the end, but serious money was made that day (and some accounts never claimed).
The problem was, the exchanges also were closed for 4 days after 9/11. I guess some people didn’t know how BIG it would end up.
You can’t really turn up later and “claim your side bet” now can you !
Wonder if “this” were the “papers” Al Hilli once refered to ?
San Francisco Chronicle. 3rd Oct 2001
“In the days before the terrorist assaults, unusually high numbers of put options were purchased for the stocks of AMR Corp. and UAL Corp., the parents of American and United — each of which had two planes hijacked. A put option is a contract that gives a holder the right to sell an asset at a specified price before a certain date”.
http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Stock-trading-probe-expands-to-Canada-2873734.php
San Francisco Chronicle. 29th September 2001
“Investors have yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, according to a source familiar with the trades and market data.
The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors — whose identities and nationalities have not been made public — had advance knowledge of the strikes”.
http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Suspicious-profits-sit-uncollected-Airline-2874054.php
Now I’m not saying who knew what about whatever.
Or trying to start a debate on the 9/11 subject…..but
It isn’t clear what Al Hill was doing “pre 9/11”.
We understand after 2001/2002 he was a contractor and he was also in Dubai. And there are “noises” saying that he had been in Iraq, pre the invasion, helping with “the locals”.
I don’t know what is “true” and what is “fancy”, but I do know ole Bush II didn’t just pick Iraq out of the air when he decided to pay them a visit.
There would have had to have been alot of ground work (prior to the WTC attacks).
It would be quite something if one day someone actually popped up and said, well what I was doing was XYZ. And this was in the July of 2001. I realised something was going to go down…and heard mention of the WTC and an airline….so to sweeten the deal up, I put a little side bet on !
That would not look good at all !!!!
No I cant take the credit either, back in late September MollieMalone who posted on Icke and here did the detective work.
“In the days before the terrorist assaults, unusually high numbers of put options were purchased for the stocks of AMR Corp. and UAL Corp.”
Well the shares price of both companies was already on the slide so it would’ve seemed a reasonable thing to do.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp
Kempe
Not normal levels though.
And the put strike price was way out.
BUT, my concern is….why this “killing” ?
Shares and 9/11 ? Diamonds ? Hf ? Titanium ? Drugs ! Money transfers ? Intel ? Indusrial sabotage ? Jews ? Iranians ? Iraqi property ?
I do think we have got…not alot !
Eric is doing his job damn well I would say.
Hi James at James
4 Jan, 2013 – 2:56 pm – I have followed the You Tube Doc suggesting that it was the very offices of those firms directly involved that were targetted as was the FBI Offices in the third block to come down that wasn’t even hit by a plane. Sorry to be so vague but can’t be bothered to go through all that stuff again. Suffice it to say I am convinced at least that 9/11 WAS a conspiracy but not in the slightest in accordance with the official script. It did far more damage than bring down two iconic buildings (besides the other stuff). It has undermined our confidence in what the USA stands for, and what elements of its government is prepared to do. If they can do this they cease to be a force for good and become rather a force to be feared. The irony is that these evil acts, generated by secret associations internally, become the very justification for more extreme measures of incarceration without trial, torture, state kidnapping and extra judicial killing at home and around the world. Even a “Democratic” President has signed up to it. I was brought up, as were many others, on the Hollywood myth of “cowboys and Indians”, a 19th Century equivalent, so I suppose nothing much has changed?
The thing with the CIA (et al) they use agents adhoc.
By that I mean “part time”, but also offer out their “friends” to other intel organisations (that are friendly).
Was Al Hilli “ad hoc”, the “offered out” ?
James Bond was “om the payroll”. But that is just fiction !
“I was brought up, as were many others, on the Hollywood myth of “cowboys and Indians”, a 19th Century equivalent, so I suppose nothing much has changed ?”
Tim. That’s the thing. Everything hasn’t changed.
It was always “the way it was”.
As for the “films” (or movies if you are from another part of the world) they were always “wrong”.
Then again, take a look at the “Arab/Muslim” world.
They do the very same thing.
The cowboy in the white hat…and the other in the black hat, is only provided…in the same way as “everything else” sadly.
I am sure James
4 Jan, 2013 – 3:11 pm that indeed happened. The point I flagged up before that wasn’t picked up or commented on by any in here as far as I know, was the inferences that can be drawn by
1. The fact that SAD got British citizenship only months before the 2003 invasion
2. That he was able and willing to go back there almost immediately after the invasion was complete, and
3. Despite getting a bloody nose from the occupants of his family home, he was able, amidst all the chaos, without enlisting the help of his immediate family or resort to legal proceedings, and despite not having been there for some thirty years, he was able to get it back – the inference being that the occupants were turfed out.
The only real power was in the hands of the Americans at that time. He said cryptically to his brother he had used his contacts, or words to that effect. Knowing what we know about the family I suggested he must have used the American Forces an offer they (the occupants) couldn’t refuse. It is inconceivable that an ex-pat for decades could just walk in, in the middle of war, and get his house back without the occupying powers help. Nor it conceivable that the occupying power would have troubled itself with the issue unless SAH had some very important (CIA) contacts.
This was 2003 but what did he know about 2001? He most probably was working for British Intelligence primarily, but UK and US were close partners in that enterprise. Saad had Boeing contacts, he had satellite technology expertise and quite possibly a good deal of the intelligence it brought with it, he had lines of communication with the middle east. Did he possess damning information about the alleged conspirators of the 9/11 attack or others connected with it that could have proved highly damaging? Did the interests of the USA, Israel and France coalesce in 30 seconds of gunfire?
Hi James at James
4 Jan, 2013 – 2:56 pm Oh I should have mentioned the shenanicans relating to Kazakhstan ie huge bribes from CIA sources to secure oil and exclude the russians that has been rumbling on ever since but firmly supressed. When twin towers collapsed it obliterated all the files and all the computer records i guess. Oh how inconvenient. Oh and perhaps its worth repeating the saying that despite it being arguably one of the biggest crimes in history, there has never been a proper criminal investigation. Now how does the USA explain that on top of all the inexplicables?
Here is a news report with a longer bit of overhead footage,
at 1.31 you can see a shot of a lorry with a white cab what is that alonside it I can’t make it out but it looks big ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oklwPEnkeao