The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
“Great minds think alike” Marlin
21 Jan, 2013 – 7:17 pm (I know “Fools seldom differ” but we will leave that to one side for the moment) I have started to do the same as you, actually logging the statements as published with times and dates to illustrate how the official line has changed and developed. Some of this I suppose can be put down to revelations of the investigation itself but many cant. It can also illustrate how the story has changed to meet objections and contradictions. I feel rather sorry for Maillaud the face of the investigation but lacking any control over it, and presumably saying what he was told. He announced his retirement from it some time ago and hasn’t been so obvious as press interest has cooled. I haven’t seen much research done by our internet experts on his identified magistrates/judges, nor for that matter their equivalent of the Coroner’s proceedings. Sorry I know very little about their judicial system and how it interfaces with their national police force. We should know more to try to guage who is really pulling the strings and if there is an honest jurist amongst them all.
Facts:
Drugs, pedocriminals, money laundering, close connections to the Dutch Royals, Serbian hitmen, killing all their enemies with 2 shots in the head. Involved: MI6, Serbian intelligence, Dutch intelligence, French and Spanish intelligence and Bulgarian intelligence as well as SOCA.
Summary:
Both Darko Saric and Sreten Jovic are CIA assets.
Connections to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey and Bulgaria as Eastern opium smuggling cartels, as well as connections to Colombia, Mexico and Brazil as Western opium and cocaine smuggling routes.
Before 2008, Sreten Jocic got a “wild card” from Serbian mobster politicians who were setup by CIA. “Wild Card” means that he could do criminal activities without problems including killing, as long as he helped the government with smuggling. Saric was the international drug money laundering King.
Jocic was the guy who killed with his mercenaries Klaas Bruinsma, the former boyfriend of “Mablegate” Witte Smit Royal Princess.
This is most interesting to read. MI6 agents helped the new Serbian government to uncover the Balkan cartel!
http://oraclesyndicate.twoday.net/stories/killing-the-journalist-or-sreten-jocic-alias-joca-amsterdam-the-bloody/
http://www.cins.org.rs/?p=8711
More on Drugs, CIA and balkan mobsters:
The only surviving terrorist of the Madrid train bombing travelled with a fake Iraqi passport and did try to hide himself … in Serbia.
http://m.brne.ws/world/madrid-bomb-suspect-detained-216720.html
More on CIA and drugs:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/07/2012721152715628181.html
More on the Balkan cartel:
http://jia.sipa.columbia.edu/failed-divorce-serbia%E2%80%99s-government-and-organized-crime
http://www.rferl.org/content/saric-serbia-drug-lord-political-protection/24825516.html
http://english.blic.rs/m/In-Focus/5379/Jocic-ordered-assassination-of-Minister-of-Justice
http://titanprotectiongroup.com/blog
Balkan cartel/CIA supported retaliation on MI6 for uncovering their structure and mafia boss?
They did even kill a prime minister before. Why not going to slaughter the “horses” then?
What we did not consider so far is the French Legion. There are one third of their recruits coming from the Balkans and Russia. They were fighting on the Balkan, in Iraq and still are fighting in Afghanistan and in Mali now.
Some of the Legion recruits left the Legion after a few years of service and are working for the Balkan cartel (see last link in my post before).
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33946916/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/t/fabled-foreign-legion-finds-new-war-fight/
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Foreign_Legion
Some of you might know this blog regarding the al Hilli case:
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/9/6/12538/19248
Search for “French Foreign Legion” and i suggest to read that blog entry plus the first answer. Some is already known, some was new to me.
tHANKS FOR THIS bb 2.17 It provides a fairly recent example how maginalized regimes (in this case Serbia) use criminals to facilitate arms-length activities for their secret services, whilst profiting from illegal drugs, and being given blanket amnisty to do it.
“Next Stop: Romania
Sreten Jocic, now better known as Joca Amsterdam, did not stay very long in a Dutch prison. He escaped to Romania together with a Romanian criminal by the name of Ile Priescu.
Not long after his arrival, not only in the country but also in Romania’s drug dealing underworld, he got an invitation from the former Serbian leader and war criminal Slobodan Milosevic.
A former member of the Jugo-Criminal-Gang in Frankfurt (M)/Germany by the name of Zeljko Arkan, whom we mentioned already, had recommended him strongly and Joca turned out not to be a disappointment, at least for that, what Milosevic had in mind.
Milosevic tasked Jocic to bring goods into Serbia, goods, that had been put on an embargo list by the UN. This was supposed to be facilitated by importing them officially into Romania or Bulgaria, and from there ship them to Serbia.
At the same time Milosevic gave him a free hand to continue with whatever criminal activities Joca Amsterdam had in mind, and a lot he had.
Jocic also was equipped with a membership card of the Serbian secret service.
He delivered to Milosevic and at the same time continued to smuggle drugs from Asia into Europe, especially into the Netherlands.” http://oraclesyndicate.twoday.net/stories/killing-the-journalist-or-sreten-jocic-alias-joca-amsterdam-the-bloody/
Sorry I meant Bluebird
22 Jan, 2013 – 10:17 am
Success after success: One of the first major successes in the newly established channels of cooperation was the action „Balkan warrior“ that started in 2009. It cut the rise of the „Balkan cartel“ which at that time took a leading place in the smuggling of narcotics from South America to Europe. A joint operation of Drug Enforcement Administrationand Serbian Security Information Agencyled to seizing 2.7 tons of cocaine in international waters off the coast of South America on October 17th, 2009. and thus forced the organizer of the smuggling Darko Saric to escape that still hasn’t been ended. Investigations and prosecutions in Montenegro and Serbia resulted in the collapse of Saric’s clan and displayed the intention to wash huge amounts of „cocaine“ money by means of the privatization of enterprises in Serbia and Montenegro.http://www.cins.org.rs/?p=8711
Later on, the English captured Zoran Dresic who, according to their information, was a part of the broken clan of Darko Saric, and a man of one of the most powerful agents in Latin America Goran Nesic called Ciga. For the intelligently organized intent to mask drugs in the „lobster trap“ Dresic was sentenced to 25 years. According to the SOCA, one of the biggest hits on the „Balkan cartel“ took place last year in Spain, when more than 700 kilograms of cocaine from Brazil were discovered in two shipments. The action „Dogma“ led to the arrest of several citizens of Croatia, Albania, Serbia, Montenegro and Bosnia and Herzegovina. For years Spain has been a Europe gateway in the cocaine route from South America. From there, small quantities of drugs were transported across Europe by land. Balkan drug dealers play an important role in that transport so it is not surprising that Luka Bojovic was also hiding in Spain.
The Spanish connection: During the above-mentioned action „Dogma“, if not before that, Spanish police began to track persons related to Serbian underworld. Back in July 2010. Spain received the information from The Secret Service Bureau and Serbian National Security Council that Spain has been a refuge for the self-proclaimed chief and protector of „Zemun“ clan Luka Bojovic, together with his associates Vladimir Mijanovic Zub, Sinisa Petric Zenica and Vladimir Milisavljevic – Vlada the Fool.
It is interesting that Spanish authorities have let this group freely perform criminal activities for nearly two years, and that they actually tracked them during the surveillance of Vladimir Mijanovic Zub, the only one among them who did not have a „serious“ record. They were arrested last week at a restaurant in Valencia, and Luka Bojovic, already known for posing for cameras, sent kisses to media crews.
Personal possessions of the arrested included automatic weapons, silencers, more than half a million Euros, laptops and mobile phones. Although Spanish media have not dealt with this theme for the first few days after the arrest, the importance of this action was evident in the appearance of Spanish Minister of Interior Affairs Jorge Fernandez Diaz at a news conference. He showed the weapons, money and other equipment that was found among the arrested Serbian mobster and stressed the importance of this action in the fight against organized crime in Serbia and the region.
“Serbia is part of a European front against terrorism,” he said.
Spanish authorities had issued an international warrant for Bouchar’s arrest. Bouchar has the right to appeal an extradition order, so the entire procedure could take weeks.
The March 11 attacks on Madrid’s commuter rail network killed 191 people and wounded more than 1,500 others. Islamic militants claimed responsibility, saying they acted on behalf of al-Qaida in revenge for the presence of Spanish troops in Iraq.http://m.brne.ws/world/madrid-bomb-suspect-detained-216720.html
The Spanish judge investigating the bombings has jailed 31 people – mostly Moroccans or Spaniards of Moroccan origin – in connection with the train bombings. About 70 others have been questioned and released but are still considered suspects. A trial in Spain is not expected until next year.
On April 3 2004, Bouchar and the other accused ringleaders in the Madrid attacks were holed up in a suburban Madrid apartment when the police came to arrest them, Spanish investigators said.
Thanks to BB for all these references which generally support my earlier assertion. Thing is if Chevaline happened a decade earlir Serbian criminal might have been a far more important possibility because 1) the gangs were far more prominent and 2) we could have postulated an undercover operation by British Intelligence to identify criminal links and connections to assist a Serbian Government intent on convincing the EU of its democratic credentials. Of course incorrectly suggesting the Skorpion was a convenient way of implicating them as in this article:
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IT LOOKS like a contract killing. The Skorpion machine pistol gives the game away – it is the signature weapon of the disparate and aggressive Balkan nationalist/criminal fraternity sometimes referred to as the Serbian Mafia, but which includes nationals of all the former states of Yugoslavia.
Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/crime/annecy-shootings/48966/gun-used-al-hilli-serbian-mafias-signature-weapon#ixzz2IiTjgbFA
@Straw
I looked at
45.76121,6.221255
and it seemed OK for me.
I notice that the Sylvie Lecoeur publicity photo at the Mail is by Roland Hoskins…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198777/French-Alps-shooting-Police-question-Saad-Al-Hillis-brother-Zaid-inheritance-row.html
Didn’t she appear in a video beside a car (early thread)??
@Felix: Has Sylvie Lecoeur disappeared along with images of her house?
Sylvie Lecoeur = heart of the forest.
I decided to see if there were any “Sylvie Lecoeur”s the same age as the one quoted in the news at the time of the Chevaline shootings. Sylvie Lecoeur in the media was quoted as being 49 years old.
I did find a Sylvie Lecoeur born Feb. 24, 1963, who passed away on October 5, 2007. I find it interesting that she would have been the same age as the Sylvie Lecoeur of Chevaline who wore the South Beach, Florida tank top. Can anyone find more information on Sylvie Lecoeur, who also wore a faux newsprint jacket, and who was a witness to a passing vehicle on the day of the Chevaline shootings?
This is important if her statements are to be believed. Was she and is she still a villager, or is she no longer found?
How to get away with murder ? Do it in France…and in public.
Mollier goes on the wrong route ?
What was the route he should be on…nada
If on the “wrong” route, why did Mollier not see the sign 3KMs down the road saying what type of route he was heading to ? ..Nada.
For the defence. The French do not give information to the public.
And so “conspiracy” takes place. What a rude word.
Outcome…
Govt.com (.eu. .uk .fr .whoever) are not trusted.
YET we are requested (asked) to believe what “they say” is true.
The Al Hilli killings prove one thing. Trust no government. Ever.
Sylvie Lecoeur was returning from a supermarket near Chevaline when she nearly collided with a vehicle coming from the direction of the Combe d’Ire. The nearest supermarket I could find was in Doussard, a Shopi. I am wondering if that is also the nearest supermarket to the campground where the al-Hillis stayed.
How’s this for strange:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopi
http://www.shopi.com/
Same name.
” No taxation without representation ” Was the call.
I believe this to be true.
We “the people” have NO representation. we are anonymous !
Also odd that the Brit police have said nada !
Yeh he was a bad guy. He was ended. That’s that.
OR
He was X Y X ! and he was a “right on” guy.
Either way, the french (small F) and the english (small e) are hiding something ??? Or just sh*t ! ?
As Stalin once said…
One is a tragedy. One thousand is a statistic.
What’s the difference. Just, everyone is Anon.
Obvious question Felix
22 Jan, 2013 – 4:21 pm but are they the same person – photo and BBC interview that is? Oh and apologis for misspelling of “amnesty” earlier plus any others!
Every “terrorist” becomes a “leader”.
Yet every “man of terror” has a cause to fall back on
That’s history.
Bin Laden could have been…would have been who ?
Isrunreal have done it !
Ireland
America
China
The “former” USShhhhR
Algeria is funny. They started out that way.
Maybe Bin Al Hilli was going that way ?
Pink 12:27AM – I looked at the video you posted of the car picture and along the way found this video of a french television program discussing the Chevaline “Mystery”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Vjb5DM-ms
It’s from November and I was wondering whether it’s been posted before here. It must have been – nothing escapes the eyes of our intrepid internet detectives. A couple of interesting illustrations of the victims’ positions (which we must assume were somewhat corroborated by police – or came from them), positions of the shot victims in the car, pictures of the car with busted windows (presumably real) and of the road. Lots of Maillaud talking (in French…shucks), some journalists speculating etc. Could not watch to the end due to time issues.
I would like to have a transcription into English – anyone knows how to do that?
Also, if people already made comments on this, may be someone could point me to where?
If anything, this whole sorry episode, or rather my fascination with it (yet to be satisfactorily explained by me to myself) has done much to dust off some french language bits. It’s interesting how dormant skills can be awakened sometimes ….. salas, much more needs to be “awakened”, cf. relearnt before I can make heads or tails of this lengthy video.
One little early Vinnemann quote I came across that I hadn’t noticed before:
“This same man had overtaken him only moments earlier on his bike ride. t-Col Vinnemann said that the Briton had seen ‘various cars leaving the scene including a 4×4′.
NB – “CARS”. Apart from the suggestion that he saw the Green 4×4 going up AND down, we have never heard Martin talk about “various cars” have we – just the one?
Then there is this Maillaud quote I think (or it might have been another by Vinnemann I must check) This is after a “long debrief with police so you would think it would be an ACCURATE representation of that wouldn’t you?:
“The cyclist, who has a holiday home in the area, noticed the British-registered BMW estate in the forest car park and went to investigate. He discovered the engine was running before he spotted a girl near the front of the vehicle fall to the ground. He immediately put her in the recovery position and called the emergency services from his mobile phone at 3.48pm on Wednesday. But he grasped the full extent of the horror only after he smashed the driver’s side window to reach in and turn off the engine. This was when he saw the bodies – the man at the steering wheel and two women in the back – two shot in the face. Then he saw a cyclist slumped on the ground near his bike, also shot dead. This same man had overtaken him only moments earlier on his bike ride.”
Now you will surely notice apart from the glaring disparity about him making the 3.48 call – they surely would have gleaned that fact after hours of interview? – the sequencing of events diverges significantly from the version Martin gives to the BBC and Sky less than a week later.
For example in the BBC interview the first thing he sees, he says, was the abandoned bike/rider from which he assumes he is resting. In this one he sees the BMW first and goes to investigate, and THEN sees Zainab fall to the ground, and not as he says later “staggering about” from a distance before falling.
Then in this version, “immediately” after attending to Zainab, he calls the emergengency services; whereas in the BBC interview he doesn’t attempt this until having completed ALL his checks, several stages later, and of course claims he couldn’t get through.
Leaving aside the rather unbelievable claim that he only sees bodies in the car when he smashes the car window, there is a BIG divergance at this point: In the BBC interview he moves directly from Zainab to Mollier and moves him despite knowing he is dead to a “safer location”; whereas in this police version, he doesn’t even notice Mollier until AFTER he has turned off the car. Not only is this significantly different, it is quite impossible to believe because we know Mollier and Zainab lay close together. But even if he lay to the RHS of the car as many French news outlets showed him, he still could not have been missed for so long. Indeed to get to the car window in either case he would have virtually had to step over him.
Then notice the story is that Mollier had overtaken him “moments before”. This simply cannot be made to fit the later story put out that Mollier passed him at the bottom of the Combe that Martin said took him about 30 minutes to climb. In no sense could half an hour be confused with “moments” in anybody’s book, let alone the police, after a long and detailed interview.
These conflicts of the principal witness’ memory of events are not minor. They are sustantial and can only be explained in terms of misrepresentation or very, very sloppy police work.
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Mossad…
Let me tel you about them !
Well nada.
But when is Anders being buried ?
I’d like to have a look in the ole coffin. Just to make sure and all.
You can’t be so sure. Just to check and see the feck isn’t blowing air.
Is “Katie” and “Ken” going to *** soon ?
That will make Christmas for me
Tim V – to your last post – take a quick look at the video I came across – it’s long but right at the beginning there are several “crime scene layouts” showing locations of Zainab and Mollier near the car. Mollier shown on the ground next to his bike – I believe on the driver’s side – must have been the original position.
Anyways, I’d appreciate hearing how you think these recreated positions jibe with your take on events and WBM’s testimony.
Q
I still believe that Silvie Lecoeur (Lacoeur) is a fake (scripted) person. Bit that is just my opinion.
Tim V.
The Balkan cartel has some significance when we remember that guy in the camping aerea who was described as looking as somebody from the Balkan. This was a “horse” slaughter. I just don’t know for what reason.
Drugs? (Hezbollah as a competitor or owing money?).
Leaking information? E.g. About the Balkan cartel being responsible for the Madrid bombing?
Dutch Royals connections?
I still believe that this could be some kind of revenge for leaked information regarding their drug smuggling/pedophile rings or perhaps regarding the whereabouts of the mafia boss.
“revenge for leaked information”
I agree
@Bluebird: This is merely an aside, but Peter Barnes worked as a pilot for Sloane Helicopters. The company has a base in Mallorca, or Majorca, Spain.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/capt-pete-barnes/26/35/493
http://www.sloanehelicopters.com/
http://www.sloanemallorca.com/
@BB: As I’ve sai, purely an aside:
http://my.telegraph.co.uk/expat/annanicholas/10141831/why-majorca-attracts-posh-criminals-possibly-even-bin-laden/
Marlin
22 Jan, 2013 – 9:51 pm Interesting new French video Marlin. Like you frustrating when your conversational French is poor. I hope it’s a sign that the media will eventually get stuck in. You see it repeats the old chestnut of the positions of Zainab and Mollier that in no way fit the bloodstain evidence. If Mollier really was found there, Martin placed him there. And the police themselves commented early on they were surprised to find the body lying neatly not spawling as depicted. So yet again the official line is shot through with holes. (No pun intended) Like James says the silence from the British on top of their unprecedented response in both France and here, can only be taken as deeply intriguing to say the least. What is the British Coroner to make of it all? How inconvenient but ultimately ineffective as with Gareth Williams? Meanwhile the obvious deception and lack of candour is deeply corrosive in our system of government.