The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Felix
Sorry. Forgot to link the second amazon link that confirms that the girl was from glendale, az.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2ICETPSQR46SG/
In the previous link there is no address but states that she is a little kid with nice curly hair.
@NR
Guess those Hotspot Media pics came from a vanished FB page; JD a barman seems to be wearing a German Stinnes Logitics sweatshirt.
NR – the Daily Mail article has just been over-written by the Richard III story! Why??? [compare – DNA used to prove it was Richard III yet Norfolk police couldn’t get useable DNA from a corpse dumped at Sandringham on 1/1/12, allegedly four months previously, but perhaps less] It’ not cached.
Annette Creegan is Catholic, but I don’t see that as relevant here or if she was practising. She certainly had a funeral requiem. Daughter goes to the local convent in Carshalton. I’m more interested in Mr D and how he came onto the scene. You beat me to the Stinnes link.
Mail article cached here:
http://forourdaughters.co.uk/index.php/annette-creegan/
@Blue
google cache was here briefly for me
{http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.mylife.com%2Fc-2546048117&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a}
guess it was the sister-in-law.
house purchased 1997.
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=chevaline,+france&hl=en&ll=45.774855,6.224889&spn=0.000715,0.001725&t=h&hnear=Chevaline,+Haute-Savoie,+Rhone-Alpes,+France&z=19&layer=c&cbll=45.774815,6.224782&panoid=nuHTKADUq1XtjCX_3jxdNA&cbp=12,230.16,,0,-9.79
Vine-covered house on Rue de la poste in Chevaline. Note the absence of the construction crane seen in The Sun’s image. Google image blocks some things and Google man refuses to walk down the side of the house with the eight windows. Maybe he’ll change his mind. New construction appears across the street (?) if you zoom out. It can’t be seen on the Google Streets images.
Anyone know where the Mastros lived in that condo conversion in Marceau? News articles reported that their bags were packed and they were ready to move again when they were arrested. Maybe to another new place?
The vine-covered house appears to be beside a canal or stream, thus the stairway leading down. It’s the same one.
There’s a rather large swimming pool on Route d’Arnand, but the Google man won’t go down the road. Is this the road the al-Hillis took?
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=chevaline,+france&hl=en&ll=45.774805,6.224704&spn=0.000651,0.003449&t=h&hnear=Chevaline,+Haute-Savoie,+Rhone-Alpes,+France&layer=c&cbll=45.774803,6.224704&panoid=A8adrDfV2C7YN3kCRnWbKw&cbp=11,168.11,,0,0&z=18
There appears to be a lot of recent real estate development in old Doussard. That would take money, and bring newcomers. Not sure how swimming pools and McMansions would go down with the locals in a historic town.
Pink, were you able to follow the vehicle up the Route D’Arnand? Google man is afraid to venture there. Once the vehicle turned, we lost him. What is down the Route d’Arnand (obvious from zooming out that a large swimming pool has been built since the Google Streets vehicle ventured down the roads).
If you add photo into your google maps you can see a photo of the same house and the pool:-
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/55469847
Photo taken by the prolific B47
Did the al-Hillis take the Chemin rural dit Ancien Chemin de la Combe d’Ire? This would explain the photograph reportedly taken on the Route d’Arnand in Doussard, at the vine-covered house. The image of the eight windows and stairway leading down to the stream would be on the right side of the road, as they travelling up the Route d’Arnand, headed for the fateful encounter at the parking lot. Makes sense to me. The Route d’Arnand leads to the Chemin de la Combe d’Ire, and then to the former.
Marceau Dessus is on the opposite side of Chevaline to Arnand, with Chevaline sandwiched in between.
If they did take this route, how does that fit with Sylvie’s account of this tale?
Why won’t the Google man go down the Route d’Arnand, or the road to “Sylvie’s house”, for that matter? He seems unafraid to go elsewhere in the area.
@Straw44berry:
http://www.campinglaserraz.com/
Aha! Another Camping at that locale. Wondering if the al-Hillis stopped at the playground for the little girls, while they checked out another place to stay.
Google had grayed out the playground for me, too, but it’s working now. Can you go down the Route d’Arnand?
Negative reviews of the camping:
http://www.zoover.fr/france/rhone-alpes/doussard-haute-savoie/la-serraz/camping
I’ve been looking at that campsite too, I think that I would have chosen to stay there rather than the 2 sites they did use.
Landing field for parapentes at the Camping la Serraz in Doussard.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g229454-d284364-i18284827-La_Serraz-Faverges_Haute_Savoie_Rhone_Alpes.html
Parapentes were in the air on September 5, 2012 in the vicinity of Doussard. The al-Hillis stopped by a campground that is a parapente partner:
http://www.volbiplace-annecy.com/intl/fr/place/44553202-fly-best-instructeur-bapteme-parapente-a-courchevel-meribel-et-annecy-lathuile-france/contact
Did anyone see something from the air?
Discussion here:-
http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=50585
That discussion board were thinking that their friend Irwyn might be the guy who found the Al-Hillis that we know as BM.
Thanks, Straw. I already posted that. I still can’t understand why the parapentes were flying in fog on September 5, 2012. A blogger posted photos of same, which I posted here a while back. Maybe the fog burned off later in the day, which would make viewing easier. Who would want to fly in an airplane in a mountainous region during fog, and what is the point of going up for a parapente sail if you can’t see anything?
@Q I found these links at MZT posted by George and a comment as to how close it was to the start of BM’s bike ride.
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019542345_mastro28m.html
http://www.foleydupont.com/en/real-estate-lake-annecy/doussard-domaine-des-sources.html
Irwyn:-
http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=50668&highlight=irwyn
and his page:-
http://www.xcontest.org/axcc/pilots/detail:irwyn
shows a defunct website:-
[ http://www.maison-du-moulin.co.uk]
maison du moulin = the mill house
[https://www.google.com/search?q=Irwyn+Jehu&oq=Irwyn+Jehu&aqs=chrome.0.57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Irwyn+Jehu%22+mill+house&oq=%22Irwyn+Jehu%22+mill+house&gs_l=serp.3…3651.12849.0.13629.13.13.0.0.0.0.96.885.13.13.0.les%3B..0.0…1c.1.2.serp.pfRD15BZ9vg&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41867550,d.d2k&fp=4642c94d8fb1e858&biw=1366&bih=643]
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/france/fr6175.htm
is the house with wisteria in Doussard isnt it?
Can anyone pinpoint on a map where the parapentes and deltaplanes launch in the mountains near Doussard?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G5SFnsBwio
http://www.yumping.fr/parapente/haute-savoie/doussard
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=parapentes+doussard&oq=parapentes+doussard&gs_l=youtube.3…358572.365159.0.365462.25.21.3.1.1.0.347.2407.13j5j2j1.21.0…0.0…1ac.1.IT3dBc4Jd2M
Is this the only launch location in the area?
http://www.outdoorinfo.fr/activites.cfm?activite=Deltaplane,9&pro=387
@Straw44berry: that’s it. Has to be. Last updated September 24, 2012:
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/availability.asp?property_id=53931
That’s odd. So perfect for cyclists and all, too.
http://irwyn.wordpress.com/
http://fr.linkedin.com/pub/irwyn-jehu/4/890/943
I guess the owner of the mill house in Doussard wasn’t around in September 2012:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/activityandadventure/9626110/My-greatest-adventure-Squash-Falconer.html
http://www.annecy-paraguides.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/willj/2177474041/
http://www.pembrokeshireparagliding.com/#/holidays/4538590170
Welsh connections.
Bringing this forward for the clap of the hands and the words in English:
http://www.theweek.co.uk/crime/annecy-shootings/48954/new-witness-frenchman-tells-how-he-found-al-hillis-dead
Why Philippe D. spoke English to the little girl, but not to Brett Martin who was speaking to him in French, seems incomprehensible.
A clap of the hands and she was dead to him. Most people would check for a pulse, or put a hand near her nose and mouth to see if she was breathing. People who make a habit of hiking in the woods normally have some knowledge of first aid, in case they need it.
Please refresh my memory. Did we discuss hang glider roof racks?
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=787114
Adding this for the kind of ramp that might leave marks in the ground (previously wet soil from the foggy, overcast morning).
http://www.elementownersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73365
@ felix 4 Feb, 2013 – 2:02 pm
“NR – the Daily Mail article has just been over-written by the Richard III story! Why???”
Seems some spaces inveigled themselves in the link I posted.
We must cancel the conspiracy alert. 🙂 Also I should have put a smiley face after my remark about connecting Catholics/Masonics/Nuns with Guns. 🙂 Conspiracy Alert Level retruns momentarily to green.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197121/Norfolk-boat-deaths-Mother-strangled-NHS-worker-John-Didier-hospice-nurse.html
STINNES LOGISTICS is part of SCHENKERS LTD which stands for the transportation and logistics activities of Deutsche Bahn [German Railways]. Derived through buy-outs of the original Stinnes. They provide multi-modal transportation logistics world-wide.
Re media lying, we can use the legal doctrine that if a person is lying in one part we can assume them to be lying in all parts. Therefore, it’s likely man never landed on the moon, and Colombus never discovered the New World. It’s all a fiction the Illuminati sold us.
“If you become satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt from the evidence in this case that any witness has, on this trial, wilfully testified falsely as to any material fact, you are at liberty, in your discretion, to disregard all the testimony of such witness except insofar as you find it corroborated by other evidence that is credible.”
http://www.juryinstruction.com/members/content/national/shellow/witnesses/witness_perjury.htm
Example of a hang glider tug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN0Hk-9Drm8
It’s a motorcycle.