The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Sorry James
14 Feb, 2013 – 12:57 am – I stand corrected. I thought you were making the case whereas you were satirically presenting the Maillaud/police view. Just to help my fuddle brain please prefix TWTWTW (you’d have to be of a certain generation to work that one out) in future. LOL In any event it was a good excuse to repeat my reasoning on vehicle. I see ppl on MTZ still accept the police line that those marks are from the BMW. Like the importance of the 3.48 call, the interpretation of those marks have profound consequences for what happened and what couldn’t have happened. Oh and my only excuse for the “splurge” is a disabled space bar. I need a key hole surgeon.
Recall the Fordow explosion story at the end of January? After denials by Iran, Israel, the US and the IAEA, there is no more mention.
However, Iran is now de-enriching (unenriching, disenriching?) 100 kg of their 20% enriched uranium, allegedly to stay below Israel’s red line. At the same time saying they’re installing new centrifuges to speed up enrichment.
Think maybe that story of about Fordow — planted in the pro-Israeli World Net Daily, was a warning to Iran what would happen if the kept on with enrichment.
How does de-enriching uranium work anyway? You can’t just spin the centrifuges backwards. Do you add tiny ball bearings, step on it with Infamil? Or just mix it with unenriched uranium or uranium hexafloride? Is it then as difficult to re-enrich it as it was in the first place?
Don’t forget that SAH came under supervision of the MI6 in 2003!
We did suggest that this was because of the Iraq war. However, SAH was long ago in the UK.
However, what we had not seen so far was that SAH married Iqbal in 2003 and that in my very first investigation on that matter in the other threat I already said that whenever I was searching for the al Saffar family, I found links to Hezbollah.
we didn’t take notice, but came the MI6 supervision perhaps because of his marriage with a perhaps already known Hezbollah family. When did Saltman become a resident of his neighbour house?
2003 could be a key when we are searching for double agent links. Could a former CIA/Mossad agent have started working for Hezbollah due to his wive’s connections? Was Iqbal perhaps some kind of Mata Hari, marrying him for getting access to Mossad/CIA?
Everything is possible, but we should look at 2003 from another point of view. Not the Iraq war but his wedding into the al Saffar family!
That article by By Dimi Reider |Published February 13, 2013)is very interesting. I assume it’s an internal Israeli one unless its based in the US for a jewish readership?
“In January 2012, a few days after another assassination of an Iranian nuclear scientist, Foreign Policy published an expose by Mark Perry, an expose that met with a fierce backlash and clampdown reminiscent of the one experience by Israeli media over the last few days. Drawing on testimonies and memos from senior intelligence officials in the Bush Jr. and Obama administrations, Perry revealed that as recently as 2008, and perhaps even to this day, Israeli agents “touting American passports and flush American dollars” posed as American intelligence operatives in order to recruit members of Sunni terrorist organization Jundallah, infamous for attacks within Iran (targeting both officials and ordinary civilians). According to the report, the recruitment took place in Pakistan, but also in Morocco, London and elsewhere.
What do we know about Ben Zygier? Apart from biographical details preceding his involvement with the Mossad, we know that he changed his name several times: first to Ben Alon when immigrating to Israel, and then, in a new Australian passport, to the nearly-homonimic Ben Allen; later still, he also added Benjamin Burroughs to the list. We know that using at least one of the latter two identities, Zygier visited Syria, Lebanon and Iran; and that his name changes and his movements, along with those of several other dual Australian-Israeli nationals, were enough to arouse the suspicion of Australia’s own national security service, the ASIO. According to The Age, in early 2010 Zygier was even confronted by Fairfax Media correspondent Jason Katsoukis, who discovered Zygier was one of three Australians who ran a front company set up by Mossad in Europe (possibly in Italy), selling electronic equipment to Iran and elsewhere. Katsoukis asked Zygier upfront if he was working for the Mossad, an allegation an “incredulous” Zygier heatedly – and, it now appears beyond reasonable doubt, falsely – denied.” http://972mag.com/prisoner-x-a-false-flag-agent/66036/
ME: I know in the past there has been some brief discussion about the Al Hilli’s possibly being Iraqi jewish family – BB I think? What if SAH was ostensibly an Israeli asset? It would give Mossad access to cutting edge British satellite technology and indirectly to European defence and American aircraft industries. He was also perfectly placed to be accepted by Tehran, disaffected Shia. But this is a murky world. What if in parallel he was working for British Intelligence as insight into what Israel was up to? Was this an Israeli operation that Britain was monitoring an operation to drill into Areva/Iran connections? But one that became an exercise to obliterate a weak link in Israeli sabotage in Iran.
It is significant that , Abdolmajid Rigi the leader of Jundllah’s the terrorist organisation in Iran funded by Israel, was arrested and subsequently executed at about the same time as Zeigler was incarcerated in February 2010. No doubt Iran not not renowned for their delicate treatment of prisoners, obtained a good deal of information about Mossad’s clandestine operations.
So in brief, my suggestion for the pot, is that SAH may have been working for Mossad at the direction of MI5/6, and posing to Iran preparedness to act as an Iranian spy? Sorry it’s not better thought through.
Tim V.
Yes, I was previously mentioning that there was a possibility that the al Hillis were crypto Jews. Being a crypto Jew was normally for Sephardi Jews in Iraq beginning from 1948 as it was suggested by the government to avoid problems and for safety concerns.
I did also mention because more than 80% of the important factories, banks, commercial agencies and even government seats were held by Sephardi Jews in Iraq prior to 1969. Iraq was a Muslim country but Sephardi Jews were the economic and political ruling class.
All this changed in 1967 with the zionist movement that was a nightmare for the Sephardi Jews who in common do not support zionism and who don’t need Israel at all.
1969 was NOT – as some here who do not have sufficient historical background did suggest – an Iraqi cleanup of Shia. Quite the contrary. The Shia cleanup started 10 years later.
1969 was a Sephardi cleanup run by Saddam.
We know as a matter of fact that Hashim al Hilli was an Iraqi diplomat and that he was the Un ambassador of Iraq at the United Nations in New York.
We know as a matter of fact that he was in the USA from 1938, being educated on a military field in Ann Arbour. He stayed there together with Saddam’s stepfather Hasan Ibrahim and with Saddam’s uncle Hammoudi al Majid. They were educated and trained on a US military base. So we can assume that they were OSS trained agents (later becoming CIA).
Saddam came from a family traned in USA by US military and intelligence, and so Hashim al Hilli was trained by American intelligence.
As a matter of fact, we can assume that Hashim was working for CIA, but so did Saddam. There was no reason about why the al Hilli family should be treated badly just for working for the CIA as this was exactly the same what Saddam and his family did.
However, Hashim was treated badly because he worked for another intelligence source. But for whom did he work? For Russia? Possible. For Iran? Possible, but Iran was no enemy at that time and with Reza Pahlevi, Iran was ruled by a CIA agent in 1969, too. Therefore we can exclude Iran. Remaining for the unknown intelligence office Hashim worked would be Russia, MI6 and Mossad.
MI6 is possible, but it wouldn’t really hurt CIA when one of their agents would work for MI6, too, would it?
So we are left with Russia and Mossad. But wasn’t Russia supporting Saddam’s Baath party, too? So we are left with Mossad.
1969 was a severe and massive cleanup of Iraqi Jews (Sephardim) in Iraq. Many of them were forced to leave to Israel, many others were killed and some were imprisoned and tortured. When Hashim al Hilli was a crypto Jew then Saddam had to know this as he was a friend of his uncle and step father as they spent their time and education on the US military base in Ann Arbour all together from 1938-1942/43. Therefore Saddam’s family must have knwon everything about the al Hilli family at that time, including their true religion.
The above are facts.
Now about the speculation:
When the al Hilli’s really were crypto Jews, then it makes sense that they fell apart the Iraqi givernment in 1969 as this was exactly the time when Sephardim were removed from government positions and when their assets (factories, etc.) were seized by the Baath party.
The 1969 events regarding the al Hilli families and regarding Hashim in particular are historically seen logic if:
1) the al Hilli’s were crypt Jews
and/or
2) if Hashim worked for Mossad and for CIA at the same time.
Now let’s follow the family lines back to London. Kadhim and Hashim always live next to each other in London. Their children grew up together and played together. Kadhim purchases a house in Claygate with his neighbour being a Mossad agent, Saltman. The family is deeply involved in the “London Group” with anti Saddam and anti Iraq politics, a group that is mainly responsible for lobbying for both Iraq wars.
I don’t find it unlikely that Saad, Zaid, Ali and Balsham continued their fathers work and continued to work for CIA and probably for Mossad, too. That doesn’t make them guilty in any way and it would be a serious work.
However, in 2003 there is Iqbal coming into Saad’s life in Dubai, but who is she? She is from the famous al Saffar family. Researching the al Saffar family in the first days of this event did ring a lot of bells regarding Hezbollah. In fact, whomever I did investigate of this family, I did always find Hezbollah links.
So we have SAH likely working for CIA and Mossad and perhaps for MI6, too, suddenly united with Iqbal and a possible Hezbollah link in 2003. No surprise when MI6 begins to supervise him. Was it Saltman who told this to media? I wouldn’t wonder that he knows about this. Perhaps SAH refused to work for Hezbollah but maybe recently he found that he was betrayed by Mossad and he changed his mind. That could have been that “Error” Saltman mentioned that made him panic and fear for his life.
The latter is just speculation while the beginning are facts. However, to me it looks logic and it would not exclude the theories of Trow regarding a Mossad killer.
That one was in response to your posted article Marlin
14 Feb, 2013 – 1:30 am. Thanks. Now I’m going to read what you wrote. (Looks interesting)
tim v.
it would be interesting if you could find a link between Zygier and Ali al Hilli in Melbourne. That would be something. Unfortunately my personal time is limited these days.
Some more information on Zygier in case you don’t know.
Zygier’s father Geoffrey Zygier (did he update his name, too?) is director of the Jewish zionist B’nai B’rith organisation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B'nai_B'rith
First mentioned in the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/world/middleeast/israel-australia-prisoner-x.html?_r=0
And here he is in an interview for the organisation ADC (Australian Anti Defamation Commission):
https://www.jewishnews.net.au/nova-notes-concerns/29551
http://www.jwire.com.au/author/geoffrey-zygier
here is the Zygier family branch, including Ben
http://www.geni.com/people/Geoffrey-Zygier/3792136
Geoffrey Zygier linkedin
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/geoffrey-zygier/62/a32/877
http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=987910402&targetid=profile
Singer Deborah Conway is Zygier’s sister in law.
Blogs:
http://en.wordpress.com/tag/geoffrey-zygier/
Good summary of Ben Zygier’s life by a friend of him (worth reading!):
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4345062,00.html
Ben Zygier’s aunt Deborah Conway (wife of Willy Zygier, who is brother of Geoffrey Zygier, who is Ben’s father).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Conway
Here are some photos of Ali al Hilli in Melbourne from 2009. He looks like Saad’s twin but with a mustache.
http://www.aiforum.org.au/activities.php?event=Iraqi%20Cultural%20Day-%20Sydney%202009
We have to accept that the Al Hilli’s were up to their necks in politics, diplomacy, subterfuge and espionage for more than seventy years. That much is certain. They also, perhaps uniquely provide bridges between Sunni, Shia, Jew and Christian States and organisations even if ostensibly they are secular.
There are also demonstrable links with Irish Republicans (indicative name but specifics not proven) and Hezbollah, and to CIA and MI5/6 at least!
The fact that western press have not even hinted at these connections except briefly and disparagingly, indicates they must have been worked on and warned off. This of itself is sure indicator that the British Government considers it important to try and keep a lid on it.
The way they responded in sending a platoon of we presume SAS to the scene and the extrordinary way the French have obsfucated and prevaricated confirms that view. At least two European Capitals want to limit the story to conventional “crime” whilst making it clear it is far from being so.
We may be sure that in the higher reaces of the respective security services, there is clarity over what this whole incident was about, and who did what. It is just us the “plebs” who cannot be told. If we knew why we couldn’t be told we would also learn the reason for the attacks.
So far so good. We might be able to work up several fairly plausible reasons why the Al Hilli’s were wiped out, by Russia, Serbia, Pakistan, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Israel or America. Even Uk or France or Sweden at a push. However once you factor in the response of France and Britain the list is much reduced. Why? Because one, I don’t believe France would have permitted an action of this type by arab or eastern entities, and if they had would have responded very differently.Basically the same goes for Britain who would have been eager (William Hague at the ready) to point the accusatory and condemnatory finger.
That is why I am convinced the perpatrators are either notional “friends” or “friends of friends” who cannot be publicly accused without significant and far reaching consequences for the whole east/west configuration. Particulary as the stakes (another major middle east war) are so high. Everyone is terrified to puncture the boil for what would come out.
I still can’t get my head around Mollier though. Such an insignificant little fish. Did he have to go because he knew enough of the dummy reason postulated for the meeting to blow it? Is the French Government eager to cover-up so as not to offend lucrative Dubai and UAR nuclear and other contracts, if it was proved Areva was assisting their enemy Iran? All just ideas for the melting pot.
What is clear from the Ziegler/Alon/Allen/Burrows(?) case is that small companies and European passported/named individuals can have incredible importance in the clandestine world of espionage as we saw with that earlier CIA article I posted. And that Israel is quite ruthless when it comes to protecting its intelligence activities either to confine its own and throw away the key (it has taken two years for the suspicious death of a foreign national whilst in custody, to even surface) or execute its opposition. Chilling.
3.33 I notice. Perfect timing?
News regarding the al Hilli children:
Aunt of little girls orphaned in Alps massacre ‘wants to adopt them after they were put into foster care’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276427/Saad-al-Hilli-Orphans-Alps-massacre-adopted-aunty-foster-care.html#ixzz2KtBsEdXM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276427/Saad-al-Hilli-Orphans-Alps-massacre-adopted-aunty-foster-care.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
According to the paper, the officer said: ‘Until the investigation is drawn to a satisfactory conclusion the girls’ safety and anonymity are of paramount importance.’
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Does that mean 10 years foster care according to Maillaud that investigation will be 10 years long?
@ straw44berry – Christopher Dorner:
This conspiracy theory is becoming mainstream and it’s splitting the leftists and the rightists amongst themselves. On the left there’s the greater-gun-control sector that says if assault weapons were banned, this wouldn’t have happened, and there’s the anti-cop faction that believes Dorner had a grievance and we all need assault weapons to protect ourselves from racist police.
On the right there’s the no-gun-control groups that also believe citizens need assault weapons to protect themselves from guv’mint, while another part is pro-police and law-and-order that believe police and military are the good guys.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/Chalk+River+spent+fuel+rods+shipped/7954672/story.html
http://www.areva.com/EN/operations-1209/mixed-oxide-fuel-fabrication-facilitymfff–savannah-river-usa.html
@Tim V: I think Monash University must be a very dangerous place since it began its Middle East education program.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/ben-zygier-asio-suspect-who-died-in-israeli-jail-20130213-2edid.html?skin=text-only
I also find it odd that it is the alma mater of the late, disappeared Lachlan Cranswick, who once had to have his Australian passport replaced, as documented on his website.
I also find it odd that Lachlan Cranswick disappeared on January 18, 2010. Wasn’t it already January 19, 2010 in Dubai?
More on Zygier: http://www.melbournetimesweekly.com.au/story/1302982/zygier-planned-to-expose-deadly-use-of-passports/?cs=5
Did anyone in the al-Hilli clan have a passport replaced? Why have we heard nothing more of the passports found in the vehicle at Chevaline?
For anyone who noticed, the last article I posted is dated with tomorrow’s date, as it is not yet February 15, 2013 in other parts of the world.
FWIW re Larouch in Australia: http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/cec.htm
Another FWIW is this viewpoint on the Larouche Movement in Australia by the B’nai B’rith Anti-Defamation Commission Australia:
http://www.wej.com.au/adc/profiles/paranoid.html
@Marlin: Lachlan Cranswick allegedly disappeared just before midnight on January 18, 2010, as the 18th was becoming January 19, 2010. There were no witnesses. It is assumed by investigators that the safety-conscious Cranswick went for a midnight stroll alone in the woods in the middle of a Canadian winter (leaving his GPS, flashlight and cellphone behind, but taking his work ID), where he was chased by wolves onto the icy river and drowned, in 30 inches of water. The meticulous, detail-oriented Cranswick also set out his recycling bin on the wrong day, which happened to be the collection day for the town of Tweed, Ontario (home of a famous non=serial killer). Surely Cranswick knew the recycling was collected on alternate weeks. He documented similar trivialities in great detail on his website.
For those unfamiliar with wolves, this type of behavior would be worthy of news coverage in itself, as it wolf attacks on humans in North America are extremely uncommon. No sign of blood, human remains or clothing was found at the time, adding to the mysterious nature of the Deep River “wolves”. It is strange that the Deep River police would advance such a theory, given their experience in that neck of the woods.
How the people of Deep River did not notice Cranswick’s remains in 30 inches of water until six months later is not explained. Maybe Deep River is one of those towns where nothing ever happens, and no one would notice if it did. It is worth noting, however, that bodies were washing up on shore at various points in the Ottawa River with great regularity in those June days of 2010, including a female graduate student whose professor was a well-known uranium mining protestor. She was found near the Prime Minister’s residence in the nation’s capital, dressed in clothing suggestive of a homeless person.
http://footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.ca/2012/02/011810-lachlan-cranswick-41-deep-river.html
“Wolves”, “lone wolf”, etc.
Another aside: the brother of Lachlan Cranswick is an honorary lecturer at Monash University and associate professor at the University of Melbourne. He has also worked in clinical pharmacology doing clinical drug trials at the Royal Children’s Hospital. You can find details of one research project here:
http://www.mcri.edu.au/research/themes/phge/community-child-health/
Another kind of research done at the institute:
http://www.khc.org.au/node/121
On another story, for those following it, was any attempt made by Australia to determing the date of death of Zygier, and whether the official date was accurate or not? Also, was DNA testing done on his remains? There is no indication of either here:
http://www.jewishnews.net.au/prisoner-x-may-have-been-a-melbourne-man/29603
It would indeed but I’m afraid I’m not up to your computer search cleverness quotient (yet) (ever). Zigly was apparently educated at jewish schools. That can work either way. Conform or rebel. It’s usually at university attitudes gel, associaions form and sympathies arise. If there was a Hilli/Zigley connection i guess that is where we’d find it. Or work contacts. Or if we are in the realm of spying, “chance” meetings can be arranged. I know nothing.
From Q’s article above (Feb 15 date):
“Israeli intelligence informed ASIO of the arrest and detention of Mr Zygier just eight days after authorities in Dubai had revealed that suspected Israeli agents had used fraudulent Australian passports in the assassination of a Palestinian militant.
The consequent crisis in Australian-Israeli intelligence relations provided the context in which the Australian diplomats did not seek consular access to Mr Zygier, who was regarded by Australian security officials as a potential whistleblower on Israeli intelligence operations.”
This has helpful hints for my timeline in the comment above (1:30AM).
Feb 14-15, 2010: Authorities in Dubai reveal use of false passports by Mossad operatives in Dubai, used in the assassination plot of al Mabhouh (the earliest news articles I found – remember the time differences).
Feb 22-23, 2010 – israel notifies AISO
Exact date still to be verified
February xx, 2010 – Disclosures about Rigi’s arrest and extradition to Iran break out. makes no ripple around the world, already consumed by the Dubai news.
The veil i think is being lifted on what the real problems were behind the scenes. It appears that AISO HAS notified the diplomatic channels, which apparently did not pass further AND took no action to provide consular help to the detained Sygier. Why?
Two possibilities only:
1. pressure from the powerful Australian jewish ‘circles” to “let it go”. Unbeknownst to us at the time, there must have been huge pressures applied by the very very powerful zionist organizations in Australia to “limit the damage” from the Dubai disclosures. They were, effectively “activated”, just as AIPAC is in the US when embarrassing israel related details see the light. Example: the front company in the US used to launder money for the Dubai operation. Violated any number of US laws. Heard any more about it since 2010? i bet you didn’t. now, why is that prey do tell?
2. there was subterfuge by the Israeli intelligence which saw to it that no visitation could be worked out. May be they told whoever inquired from the embassy that they did not have such a named prisoner on their hands and that ASIO misunderstood who it was.
Possibility means that someone somewhere told ASIO to “stand down” . The two possibilities are not exclusive BTW – both elements were used.
If possibility 1 is true – and some of that must be just from the facts – the big question is – was Zygier’s family in Australia notified of his detention? if they were and kept silent for an entire year – that is almost more callousness than we can imagine. If they were not told, yet their son just disappeared off the face of the earth – there’s a problem again. people can be kept quiet – especially ardent zionists by being roped into the ‘circle’ of “he is on a secret operation” somewhere. Jewish people outside israel are totally fascinated and in awe of Israel’s “spook” operations. the easiest way to keep them mum is by allowing them to pretend to be part of the “spooky”. Israeli operators – political and intelligence – have long ago figured out how to pull that lever.
The most likely reason cited by israeli “authorities” for both Australian and israeli families of Zygier when inquiries were made is that Ben was one of the Dubai operatives whose passports may have been “compromised’ and so for his own safety he had to disappear for a while. have we ever wondered what happened to all those other operatives whose ID face pictures were flashed all over the globe? what of the people in Israel who recognized them? what of their families? what kind of operation did it take for it all to be so hushed down in a country, Israel, where ‘everyone knows everyone who is anyone”?
Here is a very strange thing:
http://www.news.com.au/pictures/gallery-e6frflv9-1225834142480?page=3
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/gallery-e6frg6n6-1225834210250?page=2
http://www.vosizneias.com/50127/2010/02/25/sydney-australia-warns-israel-over-dubai-assassination/
All of these fake passports were issued in 2003. When did Saad al-Hilli get his British citizenship papers? In 2003?
FWIW, Lachan Cranswick travelled to the U.S. in January and February 2003. He also relocated to Canada in May 2003. His passport was damaged in late December 2002. His passport would have required the appropriate visas, which we can readily assume would have required notification of the Australian government.
I should say “issued”.
Continuing the line of thought (using logic tools honed to almost-perfection thanks to obsessive-compulsive al Hilli cover-up speculations):
What is amply clear (be it possibility 1, 2 or combination thereof per the above) is that the political/diplomatic echelon of Australia was implicated in a cover-up of this Prisoner x affair. There were evidently individuals who did not pass information along and it is also likely that ASIO was told to “back off”. Such a cover-up operation was no doubt moved along by powerful zionist elements who rattle and shake inside Australian politics and indicates the extent of penetration by forces more loyal to israel deep into the Australian political power structure.
Above it was suggested (oops forgot by whom – NR was it you?) that Rudd was “removed” as party leader through internal machinations. Possibly we can see why that must have happened. He was perhaps too keen on pursuing the passports debacle with israel.
This is a very serious business for Australia’s Jewish community, not all of whom are hardly sayanim, and most of whom are no doubt fiercely loyal Australian citizens (and there’s much good to be loyal to). Imagine – for this to happen to a son of one of the community’s scion families? no wonder both parents resigned from their activities and disappeared following the burial of their son. Did any of their many acquaintances wonder why two such prominent people would go into seclusion? there must have been all kind of whispers about what might have happened to their son! My guess is that they disappeared probably so they won’t have to face awkward questions. this not to mention that the fall out from the sordid affair will open up the entire community to accusations of dual loyalty, something to which Jewish citizens of most western countries are extremely sensitive to.
But also, for those of you with imagination – can you imagine the cognitive dissonance that befell Ben’s parents? to be ADL you must be loyal to a fault to Israel’s interests, and do so from deeply ideological zionist place. Israel knows just how to exploit these feelings too to help limit criticism of Israel’s foul actions in their own backyard. To suddenly hear your idealist son is dead under obviously ‘suspicious” and extremely “uncomfortable’ circumstances, probably with hardly any information forthcoming other than “died in the line of service to the great land of the jews, that “light unto the nations” place of milk and honey (actually a bit more like a honey-trap)”… Must have been some light! I may not have much good-will towards israel because of their abominable treatment of palestinians, abuse of the US system that’s too open to influence peddling by lobbies and their generally racist/exceptionalist/arrogant attitudes that are excessively and narrowly selfish (and i should add, counterproductive) at the core. But I can empathize with the tragedy of individuals who get “burnt by the sun”. Humans may be misguided in their ideologies and often are. But suffering is universal – –
Like a “typical James Bond Movie”:
http://www.news.com.au/national-old/meet-australian-woman-nicole-mccabe-set-up-in-spy-scandal/story-e6frfkvr-1225834556008
A Palestinian representative warned the Australian government about fraudulent passports in 2004.
@ Bluebird – thanks for bringing up that suggestive 2003 connection! how could I not have noticed? (rhetorical question – there’s is much I don’t until later). My hunch tells me that you are right – 2003 is the year Sa’ad met and married Iqbal – a whirlwind kind of courtship too. In Dubai of all places. Then we have the surveillance. The year of the invasion of Iraq. there’s definitely something there.
We are BTW, always assuming that Saad was the key target of the shootings at the Martinet. What if it was the al Safaars? what if Sa’ad was told to bring his family along to the meeting rather than, as we often assume, they were there as a kind of insurance by a man who was too naive to realize what brutal forces he was involved with? was he promised they would be whisked to safety?
Another quick thought in passing – if the Al Saffars are under suspicion, what is the chance they’ll let Iqbal adopt the children, like ever? seems to me that this is exactly the reason they are keeping the children away from their relatives.
BB, I appreciate your many good comments and suggestions and was intending to follow up on some of tyour excellent suggestions, as they gave me renewed inspiration. Just didn’t find the time yet to do it all, especially with this Ben Zygier business popping in. Ah, the forces of diversion….
@Q – 6:42 PM very interesting information and speculation about Cranswick. The coincidence in dates with the Dubai assassination is downright spooky. Let me muse over his for a while as I did not follow up this case earlier.
One unfortunate side-effect of all these coincidences, especially the Monash university connection now popping up – significantly – in this cases, is that it takes me on one of those diversions to The Matrix. you know, the information cross-leakage between otherwise unconnected “bins”. I know you all have your masonic and illuminati connections. Well, i got The Matrix as an override concept. perhaps they are the same – I am just a bit more sanguine about the capabilities of humans.