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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Mochyn69

    @bluebird 18 Feb, 2013 – 11:13 am

    ah, the dark intel art of infiltration, penetration and turning inside out!

  • bluebird

    Off topic

    Ricki Tarr, the meteors are off topic but interesting and i suggest that jon could perhaps open a new topic for the meteors?

    I am no expert in astronomy but i am reading a lot and the meteors could have a logic explanation with the 26.000 years precision of our sun. Our sun is currently passing the dark rift of the milky way’s black hole. This happens every 26.000 years. Not dangerous enough fpr destroying the earth because this event happened already several thousand times before and the earth is still existing. However, it could be dangerpus for civilization or even for human life on earth.

    The dark rift is full of debris from the black hole of the milky way. Scientists did predict that lots of debris of various size (some debris being bigger than the moon) could pass the way of our sun system in 2013. Those are no asteriods and no known meteors but debris of the black hole of our galaxy we are not aware of because we cannot see it coming. It’s the famous flash of black holes.

    http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-alignment.html

    http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=169748

    http://globalrumblings.blogspot.co.at/2012/08/alert-nasa-upgrades-2012-solar-storm.html?m=1

    Hopefully a new topic will be opened since this is off topic.

  • bluebird

    Meta Bank

    “The bank who is beyond all banks”.
    “The bank of change”.

    The prefix comes from the Greek preposition and prefix meta- (μετά-), from μετά,[1] which meant “after”, “beside”, “with”, “among” (with respect to the preposition, some of these meanings were distinguished by case marking). The earliest attested form of the word “meta” is the Mycenaean Greek me-ta, written in Linear B syllabic script.[2] The Greek preposition is cognate with the Old English preposition mid “with”, still found as a prefix in midwife. Its use in English is the result of back-formation from the word “metaphysics”. In origin Metaphysics was just the title of one of the principal works of Aristotle; it was so named (by Andronicus of Rhodes) simply because in the customary ordering of the works of Aristotle it was the book following Physics; it thus meant nothing more than “[the book that comes] after [the book entitled] Physics”. However, even Latin writers misinterpreted this as entailing that metaphysics constituted “the science of what is beyond the physical”.[3]Nonetheless, Aristotle’s Metaphysicsenunciates considerations of natures above physical realities, which can be examined through this particular part of philosophy, e.g., the existence of God. The use of the prefix was later extended to other contexts based on the understanding of metaphysics to mean “the science of what is beyond the physical”.

    The name “meta” also derives from the name “Metatron”, an important angel of Judaism and a signature of zionism.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatron

    http://www.crystalinks.com/metatron.html

  • bluebird

    Milano communications front company.

    During the past 24 hours my software made some sophisticated search with the few data we have had from Zygier’s Milano Mossad company. At 80% likelyhood that company is Allot with an office in Milano.

    http://www.allot.com/Locations.html

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/israeli-firm-under-fire-selling-spyware-iran

    Allot delivered spy material via Denmark to Iran.

    There were two more hits with less than 10% likelyhood: Brocade and Unbranded Communications. However, my personal strong guess is that the Milano branch of ALLOT was the company Zygier worked for.

    http://www.brocade.com/company/contacting-brocade/Worldwide%20Offices.page

    http://www.linkedin.com/company/unbranded-communication-&-pr-based-in-milan-london-dubai–

  • bluebird

    We won’t find Zygier at Allot comm. directly because the clean teams did good work, but perhaps step by step …

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/gianmarco-boggio/2/5b1/632?_mSplash=1&sessionid=AxYMFoq2n4z_GeSIGjAG

    http://www.4-traders.com/ALLOT-COMMUNICATIONS-LTD-36713/news/Allot-Communications-Ltd-Allot-Olympics-Report-Shows-Social-Media-Wins-Gold-14441730/

    http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=1332952993&targetid=profile

    http://it.linkedin.com/pub/andrea-zamboni/7/138/888

  • bluebird

    There was a lot new stuff during the past 12 hours. Sorry for that, i do not want to spam here, but one exciting news gave another one. Apart from the fishy meat bank news, what can we have as a summary.

    Zygier is from Melbourne
    Ali al Hilli is from Melbourne
    Ali’s son Hashim Ali went to the same college as Zygoer did.
    Zygier is from a reknown family.
    Ali al Hilli had a reknown father.
    Zygier worked for Mossad.
    Ali al Hilli’s father Hashim perhaps worked for Mossad (made his torture by Saddam logic and the timing logic).
    Australian passports for Dubai Kidon team issued in London by Australian embassy.

    Saad al Hilli (Ali’s cousin, they grew up together) worked for Surrey Satellites.
    Perhaps he worked for Mossad, too.
    He does database design for fast datatransfer.
    His Jewish neighbpir Saltman who likely is a Mossad asset, ownes company “fastdata”.

    Zygier (80% likely) works for Mossad front company Allot Communications in Milano.
    Allot is said to have smuggled spy electronics to Iran via Denmark.
    Allot Communications UK company is located at the SAME address as Surrey Satellites.

    The fake documents were used in Dubai. Saad worked in Dubai.

    Zygier is dead and Saad is dead.

    Is Allot and its business the ley for the SAH killing?

    Did SAH start singing like Zygier did? Was he interviewed by MI 5 regarding Zygier and Allot communications? Was Saad used by Allot to spy in Surrey Satellites documents/photos etc?

  • bluebird

    Hezbollah used Australian and Canadian passports for Bulgarian bombing. Hmmmm … Australian passports … Hezbollah ….

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/opinion/hezbollah-unmasked.xml

    Interesting:

    Fairfax Media reporter Jason Koutsoukis, who back in 2010 was the first to confront Ben Zygier, also known as “Prisoner X,” with the rumors that he was a Mossad operative, told Channel 10 News Friday that his home was burglarized the day after the two spoke. The Australian reporter said that at the time, he suspected that the Israel Security Agency was behind the break-in, but stressed that those were only his suspicions and that he had no proof of any kind to that effect.

    Ricky tarr: (more recent, although the date of the links is strange because 2011 there was no Syrian uprise).

    http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-09/syrian-monitoring-project-may-end-as-italy-firm-weighs-options.html

  • Ricki Tarr

    In July 1973 in the Lillehammer affair Canadian Passport where used.

    1981 – Fake British passports were discovered in a grocery bag in London, leading to a diplomatic row with Israel over Mossads involvement in trying to infiltrate China.

    1997 – in the failed attempt to assassinate Sheikh Khaled Mashal Canadian passports where again used.

    2004 – New Zealand imposed sanctions on Israel in which two Mossad agents tried to apply for NZ passports.

  • Q

    @Bluebird 4:18 p.m.: Lachlan Cranswick was living in London at the time his passport was damaged in December 2002. He visited the U.S. in January and February of 2003. If a passport has gone through a washing machine and is no longer legible, it likely needs to be replaced. An Australian living in London would go to the Australian embassy to do so.

    Three of the Australian passports used in the Dubai assassination by Mossad were “issued” in 2003, two of which had a May 2003 issue date. Lachlan Cranswick emigrated to Canada in May 2003.

    Lachlan Cranswick attended Monash University, and his brother is a lecturer there.

  • Ricki Tarr

    Can anyone find what Australian university Erica Chambers went to?
    She studied hydrology in Australia?

  • James

    Blue….

    And what was Al Hilli (job) ?
    I mean “before” they said satellites ?

    And where did that come from ?
    Was it Stedman ?

    Of course he was (is ?) what Stedman said.
    Just “not the Al Hilli” we are asked to believe !

  • James

    Just to add….

    Code Wars ! The “all new” warfare.

    How do you install “bugs” on a system ?
    You don’t !
    You “sell them” pre installed !

  • Ricki Tarr

    Q – I don’t think anyone knows where this is going, this spans two threads and everyone is desperately trying to connect the dots!.

    I have read and followed the developments from the start, why did this story draw us in? why did it not seem right? as soon as I read the breaking news something was wrong, as soon as I heard it was an Iraqi family, the RAF guy that happened to be passing and the story flitting from the children not being alive to one being critical and another that had not been noticed in the car for what seemed like a very very long time!

    What we have learnt since then has only made things worse and has now become an abyss of intrigue, the news black out, his line of work, his background and family connections makes it impossible!

    Ask yourself if you wanted to cover this up would it not be better to blind people with information than to delete someone from the system?

    We fumble to connect this to current events and secret service operations etc etc and am sure that we have sometimes touched on the truth! we are satisfying our own curiosity here!

    There isn’t an off topic with this but we have to try and connect the dots and I respect everyone for trying, I compare this to Close Encounters where the group of people that saw the UFO are all seeing the same image, drawing the same mountain getting drawn to the same place!

  • Tim V

    Zygier’s family and friends have largely been tight-lipped about the suspected spy. Danny Burrows, one of Zygier’s close friends, told Haaretz that “the silence is because people don’t know. I don’t know anything. I don’t want to know anything.

    “A family that’s already suffered is suffering another tragedy. I lost a very good friend and my friend’s family lost a son,” said Burrows, who knew Zygier from a year abroad in Israel nearly 20 years ago. Israel Times (Note name)

  • Tim V

    What is known of Zygier’s background — his family, his years of Jewish schooling, his aliya and army service, along with the fact that he was apprehended less than two weeks after speaking with a journalist and after the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation had questioned him – points in the direction of a Mordechai Vananu-type affair, one in which the Mossad takes extreme measures, including the abduction of an individual, in order to prevent damaging, and embarrassing, information from falling into the hands of a friendly state. (Former Dimona nuclear technician Vanunu was lured from the UK to Italy, drugged, and shipped back to Israel, where he was convicted of treason; unfortunately for the guardians of Israeli state security, that was after he had sold the “secrets of Israel’s nuclear arsenal” to London’s Sunday Times.)Israeli Times

  • Tim V

    It has been widely reported that Zygier was recruited by the Mossad after immigrating in 2000, was questioned by the Australian security authorities when back in his country of birth nine years later, was arrested in Israel in early 2010, and committed suicide in his cell at Ramle’s Ayalon Prison on December 15, 2010, aged 34. He was married to an Israeli woman and had two children. times of israel

  • Marlin

    Bluebird, Ricky Tarr – so much good new information – thanks Q, NR for the digging work too.
    RT – Encounters of the Third kind, indeed….

    James – you raise a real good point about SAH I think (several points actually). Need to let some ideas along these lines ferment for a while.

    Am in a very busy patch at the moment, and can’t comment much. Shall return in no time bearing more of my [lengthy] logic nuggets, I hope.

    That Zygier case throws new light on a few things, doesn’t it?

  • Marlin

    Bluebird, 3:16PM

    Bingo! I think Allot looks just like the company I would expect to have “employed” Zygier. Rami Hadar, the CEO and president, looks young and from what I read of his profile may fit the cover to a T.

    The products the company sells are in the broadband electronics area and the company may now be a subsidiary of Surrey satellites. the insertion point of the electronics would be just in the right place(s) to conduct highly sophisticated monitoring of communications – internal and external. I’d imagine some of their clients would be interested in just such an application, too. Say for a little industrial spying?

    There’s not a whole lot about the products on their web site. But perhaps what there is is just enough for a client to know what some of the equipment would be good for. I will research further with one of my trusted IT friends.

    On top of it there’s this little hoopla about Allot products being shipped to Iran following repackaging in Denmark. That’s exactly how it would be done too.

    If this company was unmasked – or parts of it – were a highly sophisticated Mossad front, then it would represent a serious blow indeed. Whatever the purpose of the operations are (and I’d imagine Iran is just a small part), it would indeed take years and years of preparation.

    Keep digging – I will too as soon as a bit more time materializes (out of thin air?).

    BTW, Bluebird, be on the lookout for any unexpectedly lucrative job offers that may come your way – you have seriously sellable search skills…..

  • Tim V

    I agree NR
    17 Feb, 2013 – 10:07 pm. We have never been more watched inside and out, yet when they might prove useful (as for example when that “plane” flew into the Pentagon for example) very predictably they either fail to work or are seized by the security army and never see the light of day again. So Zigier/Alon/Allen/Boroughs/Burrows hanged himself out of shot in the shower cubicle. This in a new facility, specifically designed to keep a prisoner under constant observation, to prevent (among other things) suicide. Convenient that.

    Now the story has broken we are subject to the usual “damage limitation” PR. We have the Israeli Minister responsible for security assuring his audience, whatever was done must have been necessary. In fact it was a morally (Jews are big on morality) incumbent on them to do as they did, to save innocent lives. So that’s alright then. Don’t all despots east and west, north and south, say the same?

    It appears that Zigier was arrested (abducted) soon/immediately he returned from Australia, Feb/March 2010 and died 15th December, 2010, although of course we have to take the Israeli State’s word for this. We do not know if or when his family or Australian authorities were informed he was incarcerated or if a reason was given. Perhaps that’s something the Israeli and Australian media will enquire into and publish. It is not only the Israeli approach to the civil rights of its citizens but Australia’s also. Is Australia in league with passport fraud and assassination gangs? Does it take seriously the fate of those who hold joint citizenship? Will it allow Israel an easy ride on the way it has behaved?

    Now as to the reason for the extrordinary way it dealt with its own employee, and preventing any news escaping, let alone the relaxed way it has dealt with a suspicious death whilst in custody, it strikes me the proffered reason that he gave away details of the Dubai raid, would be insufficient. The information was coming from the Dubai police, it was already out there. Why would they treat Zigier and the news og his imprisonment so severely when the horse (apologies) had already bolted? It appears to me it was not the assassination job, or the use of foreign passports that was the cause but something much more serious and damaging. Either they had to believe Zigier was working for an enemy, or could not be trusted with highly secret information that was in his possession.

    We have a repeat of the Chevaline scenario here. The extreme nature of the action points incontrovertibly the seriousness of the treat as perceived by the Mossad mandarins. It cannot be otherwise. Then returning to the government PR, we are faced by murderers, liars and cheats, claiming that one of their own has acted dishonourably!

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