The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ Q Off-Topic
“Former Gadhafi guard to be deported — Board finds him complicit in crimes”
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Form+Gadhafi+guard+deported/7890762/story.html
From NR’s Ben Zygier link above:
Quote:
TREVOR BORMANN: well we had the story of Prisoner X, and the challenge for us was to match him with this many Ben Zygier in Melbourne, and we knew they kind of died around the same dates.
+++++
Doesnt that sound common?
Marlin, NR, James et al
I did some routine research on the Dutch al Hilli orphan particularly about where he lives. I have a valid telephone number. If you wish, you can call him now.
This is his address:
50 Duizendschoon, Hendrik Ido Ambacht
This is also the address of “al Wasal Beheer” and of Affinity & Associates b.v. as well as the address of SM A al Hilli.
On one other forum there was already a pretty good research regarding the Dutch orphan:
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=announcements&num=1347056926&action=display&start=139
What does not fit with our Saad is the age regarding education. University of London 1968-1972. Our Leonardo wasnt a child genius, was he? On the other hand, his first job was in 1980. That would fit with his age pretty well. If the education dates are correct, what had he done then from 1972-1980?
He is searching for a job from 2012-present. Really?
Al Wasal Beheer i could not locate. There is a Beheer company in Dubai and there is an al Wasl soccer club in Dubai sponsored by Beheer. However, i have no idea about finding a proof for al Wasal.
http://www.myoffice.nl/gids/Al_Wasal_Beheer.html
Here are all links i found including address, job history and his phone number:
http://bizzy.co.uk/nl/230919390000/affinity-associates-b-v
http://www.yatedo.com/s/Al-Hilli
http://www.yatedo.com/p/Sa%27ad+Al-Hilli/normal/84d792ffd2c5a95633ffb0335a3a863e
Are below Saad’s children Zeena and Zainab together with an unknown boy? The girl on the right looks like Zeena.
http://www.yatedo.com/p/Zeena+Al-Hilli/normal/3f577e69bdf929a5632c8e3b9590c4a0
More on the Dutch:
http://www.jaap.nl/te-koop/zuid+holland/zuidoost-zuid-holland/hendrik-ido-ambacht/3344al/duizendschoon+56/9573297/buurt
http://www.zoekenbel.nl/zoek.asp?Pagina=2&provincie=Zuid-Holland&rid=12&plaats=Hendrik-ido-ambacht&plid=1999&straatnaam=Duizendschoon&zp=2&zoekopdracht=&zoekop=P&zoekop_woord=1&Plaats_zoekresultaten=
http://www.cylex-bedrijvengids.nl/bedrijf/affinity—associates-b-v–hendrik_ido_ambacht/11460934.html
http://telefoon-gids.com/a-l-hilli-duizendschoon-hendrik-ido-ambacht-3344-al
http://tel.opendi.nl/hendrik-ido-ambacht/49496.html
http://www.masterseek.com/Companies/Netherlands/Hendrik-Ido-Ambacht
Maybe some of you will ne able to dig deeper. Particularly al Wasal (Wasl?) Beheer should be worth digging.
Blue
“No-one in the community would speak to us. In fact, there was hostility among the acquaintances, the family and friends that we approached”.
That does !
“look, we’ve heard all the rumours too. This is not a matter of public interest. It was a very tragic situation and a very private one”.
And that !
I just posted a long and very interesting research regarding the Dutch al Hilli.
It is awaiting moderation. Jon?
Too many links i am afraid.
Here in short are links for preview:
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=announcements&num=1347056926&action=display&start=139
50 Duizendschoon, Hendrik Ido Ambacht
http://telefoon-gids.com/a-l-hilli-duizendschoon-hendrik-ido-ambacht-3344-al
http://www.myoffice.nl/gids/Al_Wasal_Beheer.html
Please come back to read my full link once moderated. It is interesting enough.
Marlin.
A contractor without a LinkedIn page.
A Swiss Bank Account which contains a decent pot of cash.
The postman that knew little about the people at the house.
The accountant who knew little of his clients work.
The Link is…. The name, to the CV.
So it’s taken as fact. That is what the man does.
And the companys statement confirms this is so.
James, read the ufocasebook link. Extremely interesting news (has nothing todo with ufos but with the Dutch al Hilli).
I did some al Wasal research.
This fits best as an office in the Dutch al Hilli house:
http://www.meastonline.net/bd/index.php?id=305470&pagenum=27&company=&country=&city=&keyword=%20Chartering
And do not forget George Xanthis, the husband of his cousine Balsham al Hilli. He is a Greek billionair in the maritime and ship business. Would fit very well to the Dutch al Hilli and his al Wasal office in his house.
However, there are dozens of al Wasal businesses in Dubai and UAE. The maritime just fits best and was my first guess. No proof yet.
Al Wasal’s maritime homepage is this one:
http://www.tdw.com/
Are they connected to the famous tidewater fleet?
And then we have Xanthis, too!
And they got an office in al Hilli’s house?
That is getting very interesting ….
Bingo
Al Wasal Dubai is Tidewater Dubai. They share the same phone number and the same website:
http://www.tdw.com/locations/middle-east-india/
Tidewater has a European office in Milano and another European office in Paris. Paris is run by Lebanese Sami Nasrallah(!!!!!)
Oil for food?
An office in Milan !
He gulps.
Blue…
Sami Nasrallah.
Try Samy Nasrallah
http://fr.linkedin.com/in/nasrallahsamy
Note vsatech.
Then click the link below…and look at the picture !
You’ll laugh very loudly !
http://www.vsatech.com/
NR 4.10
“TREVOR BORMANN: Well, about 10 months, really.
I was in Israel in April of last year and it was quite by chance that I caught up with a contact, and in a 15 minute meeting he gave me this story.”ELIZABETH JACKSON: So what sort of response, then, did you get from Ben Zygier’s family when you approached them?
TREVOR BORMANN: We approached his parents – his mother and father – they declined to be a part of the story, they didn’t want anything to do with us.
ELIZABETH JACKSON: Were they curious about the information that you might have had?
TREVOR BORMANN: They were in a very difficult situation and still are – more so, I’d suggest.
They were dreadfully bereaved and traumatised still at the death of their son. But I guess it’s reasonable to say that they tried to throw us off the scent.
We put to them that we had information to suggest that Ben had died in this prison in Israel in 2010 and they got back to us and said, ‘no, look, we’ve heard all the rumours too. This is not a matter of public interest. It was a very tragic situation and a very private one.’
And they said, ‘we saw our son slowly slip away and then he left us.’
ELIZABETH JACKSON: So they were convinced that he killed himself?
TREVOR BORMANN: Yes. Yes, they were convinced that he killed himself.
We now believe that they were also aware that he was incarcerated earlier in 2010 and were kind of embraced into a process where Ben was going to be tried in secret in Israel for his transgressions, whatever they were.
ELIZABETH JACKSON: Did that puzzle you that his family would respond in that way?
TREVOR BORMANN: It did. I thought about it day and night. None of us could work out exactly why they would feel that way, but I guess it’s difficult to second guess them, and in the end, it’s difficult to rationalise how they might be thinking in their great distress.
But look, I guess as we now believe and know, this man worked for the Mossad.
That would have been weighing on them as well, so they found themselves in a very difficult situation.” http://www.abc.net.au/correspondents/content/2013/s3696744.htm
Ben Zygier was no traitor, he was betrayed
Ben Zygier didn’t betray his country. Ben Zygier was betrayed. Between his two home countries, he was placed in a situation he couldn’t deal with.
By Sefi Rachlevsky | Feb.21, 2013 | 3:49 PM
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/ben-zygier-was-no-traitor-he-was-betrayed.premium-1.504672
“A week ago, North Korea carried out a breakthrough nuclear test. Its collaboration with Iran over uranium requires Israel to utilize everything in its power to deal with the threat. The fundamentals of its power have not changed since David Ben Gurion established them: might, the support of friendly powers, the mobilization of world Jewry that can also influence their home countries, and the memory of the Holocaust. But the Zygier affair highlights how in an existential moment, Israel isn’t “only” immoral, but tramples over these fundamentals, arrogantly, without boundaries.
Australian Jewry – and its key activist Ben Zygier’s father Geoffrey Zygier – epitomizes part of the fundamentals of Israeli power. Most Australian Jews went there after the Holocaust. This memory induces them to be of service to Israel, which in turn affects the way Australia supports Israel.”
@ NR: Fake passports figure into this, too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PgZF9dLgCU
Maybe the evil dolphins of Eilat did it.
Tim
Remember “Jew” is not “Zionism”.
There’s a difference.
It’s hard, I know.
Even the flag that flies over that territory is a Zionist one.
Then they called the place “Israel”.
It’s quite clever see ! It gets everyone.
It even caught out (some of) the Jews.
But that place where Ben Z went to, was “Zion” (for want of a better word). And he was a Zionist.
There are many many examples of terrorist that use a religions as a smoke screen ….and morph the two together.
It makes for good recruitment.
You can throw in “a cause” also. That’s always good.
Morph “terrorism” with religion and a cause.
But they’re still murderers. And it’s all about money and power.
P.S. “Terrorism” is a broad expression also.
Paramilitaty groups with black masks and AK47’s are amateurs compared to The Big Boyz like Mr Bush and Mr Blair.
Dec 2009/ Jan 2010 Australian journalist Jason Koutskoukis had several telephone conversations with him in which he asked if he was a Mossad operative. Koutsoukis was tipped-off by Australian counterintelligence, which suspected Zygier of supplying the Mossad with Australian passports in his possession.
19 January 2010 assassination of Palestinian arms merchant Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, in Dubai by team of Mossad agents including at least two holding Australian passports who escaped beck to IRAN.
24 Feb 2010 Australia notified “through security channels” that Zygier was in detention.
June 2010 News of a “Prisoner X” leaks out but immediately subject to an Israeli banning order.
April 2012 Trevor Bormann (presumably of Jewish descent) an Australian journalist whilst in Israel in a “chance contact” is tipped off that a prisoner X who died in gaol was Australian.
12 Feb 2013 After 8 months of research and being fobbed off by Zygier’s immediate family, he establishes that Zygier has a number of aliases one of which Alon, is on his Melborne death certificate and an ABC film about the affair is released causing international interest.
“The detention of “Mr X” is just the latest in a series of high-profile cases in which Israeli citizens were secretly arrested and held by the country’s security services for days or weeks before they were charged, without any details being made public. Israel’s criminal procedure laws allow for a person to be detained by a court order for periods of up to 30 days before facing formal charges, and in special cases the detention is permitted to last for up to 75 days or even longer.
Cases involving espionage tend to be the most shrouded in secrecy. In one of the more prominent such cases in Israel’s history, Marcus Klingberg, a Polish-born top Israeli scientist, was imprisoned for 20 years in 1983 for giving the Soviets a vast amount of information about Israel’s chemical and biological weapons programmes, with his incarceration kept a secret for a decade. More recently, Israel held Ameer Makhoul, a leading Israeli-Palestinian human rights activist, incommunicado for nearly two weeks after imposing a media gag order on his detention for several days. His attorneys said that Mr Makhoul, who was charged with spying for Hizbollah, was denied a lawyer, kept in a small isolation cell, deprived of sleep and food, and shackled tightly to a small chair that was bolted to the floor.
In a related case that was also under a gag order, another Israeli-Palestinian activist, Omar Said, was also arrested, denied a lawyer for more than two weeks and then charged with transferring information to Hizbollah. The blanket gag orders that were initially imposed on Israeli media coverage of those arrests proved partly ineffective after details from the investigations were reported by foreign media and by bloggers in Israel and abroad.
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OT rambling: 1 Horse Guards Road is the location of HM Treasury.
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/fin_sanctions_index.htm
I have been wondering why this comes up when I search SH Tech:
http://www.tradetag.com/c0/c06c407d760ba866-company.html
OH JEZUS CHRIST !
Now Tony Blair now wants intervention in Syria !
NOT ONLY IS HE AN ABSOLUTE NUTTER. HE MUST BE “THE DEVIL” HIMSELF.
And they can’t even beat “the enemy” in Afghanistan or Iraq !
Two countries that were virtually on their knees to start with.
What does he think he’ll do with Syria… erm, Iran….erm, China.
Tony Blair…equals WWIII.
More OT: Out of curiosity from articles like this:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/05/us-iran-medicine-idUSBRE8B40NM20121205
I did some research and learned that the Israeli pharamaceutical industry has connections to the air force and intelligence. One such connection is affiliated with a space agency and was involved in weapons development, including lasers.
Disconnected fields, one might think, but one would be wrong.
This may sound strange….but
Question. Is there anything that mentioned Al Hilli being into Motor Cross ? Or anything to do with Off Road Motorbikes ?
The reason I asked….there looks to be a “carrier” for a motorbike in the front garden of the house in Claygate.
The photo is of the rear of the house…looking towards the reporters standing at the front. (probably from a helicopter…again !).
It looks like that…but its in orange (an hasn’t got a bike on it !)
http://www.rpamx.co.uk/blog/motocross-guides/motocross-bike-transport/motocross-bike-transport-bike-trailer/
funny – the inaccuracies that pop into stories: by the MSM which supposedly checks so carefully on every detail. From NR’s link above:
“I guess one eureka moment was when we accessed information from the death certificate in Melbourne, and the name on that death certificate from Israel was Ben Alon, and we knew this to be Ben Zygier, the man that was buried in Melbourne on December 15, 2010.”
Buried or died? elsewhere in the story we read, ben Zygier was buried 7 days after he dies and we believe he died December 15, 2010 (or did he die then?), That makes the funeral on Dec 22, 2010.
For some reason, I find myself not wholly sympathetic to the suffering Zygier family. There is a saying that when you sleep with dogs you wake up with fleas and the current version of zionism, the almost pathological attachment of jewish people – good citizens of their countries – are attached to what is essentially a colonial state that lives by the rules of the mafia. It’s like they – the good jewish people of the world – are sleep walking into the jaws of a mad shark, sacrificing everything that was ever good about the religion and the people.
Admittedly many good jewish people around the world are fighting this travesty of the hijacking by a rogue ultra-militarized state of the soul of people, just because they share an affinity with a religion, whether they are ethnically related or not, religious or not. The muted and pained responses of the Zygier family is what gives this the Greek tragedy dimension.
More dual passports, and a wig?
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/05/australian-suspected-in-bulgaria-bus-bombing-that-killed-five-israelis-u-s-officials-say/
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/03/bulgaria-identifies-terror-suspect-in-deadly-attack-on-israeli-tour-bus/
The ears and the way he holds his mouth might be important. Eyes were brown or green.
@Marlin: http://www.canberraconnect.act.gov.au/Services/r/register-a-death-abroad
http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/tips/death.html
Back to basics – early on I seem to remember references to the following :-
1) That Al Hilli worked for The Allies persuading senior Iraqi tank commanders to offer limited resistance.
2) That SAH had been given (or taken) full British Citizenship approx 2003.
(At first sight it would appear he was a British asset working on occasion out of Dubai)
3) The media state that naughty people have been trying to get SSTL secrets, and that the PTB were monitoring the situation.
4) That “Jordanian hackers” were giving SAH grief after he posted on various forums.
5) That Al Hilli said something to the effect that he was working on an £800,000 deal just prior to going on holiday.
Now if early and verbal information has higher weight than later web based stuff, then what can one make of the above?
For what little it is worth I think he may have been doing business on his own account.
One (known) purpose of his holiday was to try to get access to the Swiss bank account. He apparently did not succeed.
Another purpose (to feed his apparent need for cash) may have been to meet with, and pass information to, a buyer. Given his web-based persona he was probably offering real and/or bogus info from SSTL. As to a buyer, given the prescence of “Iranian born” Iqbal, I would first guess Iran. My second guess would be obviously be The French.
Now, remind me, just why did WBM search SM again?
Now whether this was a fund raiser on his own account, or a British planned sting is moot. Someone thought it was the real deal. Someone put a stop to it. Someone in a hurry. I don’t think it was Jordanian hackers.
If WBM is not equivocating, then the timeline is very tight.
Alternately, the buyer met Pan and went postal.
I type my find from this morning again and split it into two foldrrs because it is still awaiting moderation.
Part 1
Marlin, NR, James et alI did some routine research on the Dutch al Hilli orphan particularly about where he lives. I have a valid telephone number now. If you wish, you can call him now.
This is his address:
50 Duizendschoon, Hendrik Ido Ambacht
This is also the address of “al Wasal” Beheer (Beheer means Manager or Management in Dutch). So he is a manager of al Wasal (Dubai).
This is also the address of Affinity & Associates b.v. as well as the address of SM A al Hilli. There is nobody else registered in that nice house. Just Saad al Hilli and the two companies. No wife, no children, no boyfriend. A lone guy …
On one other forum there was already a pretty good research regarding the Dutch orphan in December:
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=announcements&num=1347056926&action=display&start=139
What does not really fit with our UK Saad is his age regarding education. University of London 1968-1972. Our Leonardo wasnt a child genius, was he? On the other hand, his first job was in 1980. That would fit with his age pretty well. If the education dates are correct, what had he done then from 1972-1980?
He is searching for a job from 2012-present. Really?
Al Wasal Manager: http://www.myoffice.nl/gids/Al_Wasal_Beheer.html
Part 2 follows.
Part 2
Here are more links i found including address, job history and his phone number:
http://bizzy.co.uk/nl/230919390000/affinity-associates-b-v
http://www.yatedo.com/s/Al-Hilli
http://www.yatedo.com/p/Sa%27ad+Al-Hilli/normal/84d792ffd2c5a95633ffb0335a3a863e
Are there in the link below in that picture Saad’s children Zeena and Zainab together with an unknown boy? The girl on the right looks like Zeena.
http://www.yatedo.com/p/Zeena+Al-Hilli/normal/3f577e69bdf929a5632c8e3b9590c4a0
Part 3 follows
Part 3
http://www.cylex-bedrijvengids.nl/bedrijf/affinity—associates-b-v–hendrik_ido_ambacht/11460934.html
http://telefoon-gids.com/a-l-hilli-duizendschoon-hendrik-ido-ambacht-3344-al
http://tel.opendi.nl/hendrik-ido-ambacht/49496.html
http://www.masterseek.com/Companies/Netherlands/Hendrik-Ido-Ambacht
Maybe some of you will be able to dig deeper. Particularly al Wasal should be worth digging.
Al Wasal maritime is the Dubai subsidiary of TIDEWATER!
The guy running the Tidewater subsidiary in Paris, Sami Nasrallah, does the same in Satellites like Saad. All fits together. International maritime oil cargo supervised by uptodate live satellite images and satellite navigation. Even the assassination of the Exxon guy in Brussels could then be related since Tidewater is shipping for Exxon.
Did Saad al Hilli control the Dubai oil freight via Satellite in the Netherlands? Being close to Rotterdam would make sense when you navigate nd supervise oil vessels.