The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@NR: So now there is the Ofeq-10, which was set to launch and become operational in late 2012. Countries which do not have this kind of satellite are left out of the loop, or presumably find partners from whom they can purchase/exchange information. We know that Saad al-Hilli worked for DMC International Imaging, which provided information to China.
The thing about the shipment of HEU to France is that when HEU is shipped, the destination listed may not be the final destination for the HEU. If processing is required, the destination is listed as the place where the processing is done. No information is provided as to where the HEU may eventually end up. I have not found definitive information as to where the 2012 shipment of HEU in the form of broken metal was sent for processing. However, using deduction, it appears to be here:
http://www.areva.com/EN/operations-933/cerca-fabrication-of-fuel-for-research-reactors.html
http://blogs.knoxnews.com/munger/2012/04/nnsa-says-heu-shipment-to-fren.html
The term “fuel assemblies” comes up. Yes, that includes fuel rods. Fuel rods are made from various alloys.
What is the role of Tricastin in all this?
The 2012 shipment of HEU to France is said to be for the Lauer-Langevin facility, but will it all end up there, or does France have a secondary market for this HEU once it has been processed?
@NR: Perhaps I have been too oblique. Iran had an interest in Tricastin. Would this be the obvious weak link?
@Tim V: In some countries it is rare for a judge to leave the courtroom, let alone the country. This is done in circumstances when seeing the site will enable the judge/jury to better understand the evidence in a trial, but it is not a common or ordinary procedure. The role of the judges in France is quite different (closer to the role of law enforcement elsewhere in the world), but it would be helpful to know where else they have been or will go. Can we take this as an indication of where this investigation is headed?
And the conclusion is: ?
I do not know if this has any bearing on the case at hand:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/areva-belgin-unions-calls-for-strike-2011-11-07
http://www.wiseinternational.org/node/3816
http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2011/10/18/areva-s-appreterait-a-supprimer-800-emplois-en-allemagne_1590037_3234.html
http://owni.fr/2011/11/07/le-nucleaire-debraye/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dessel
Dessel employees angry over the loss of their jobs, Dessel in direct competition with Romans, HEU shipped to France in the spring of 2012, HADES research recommendation in 2011 to store nuclear waste in the clay layers of Dessel.
Background information for your consideration.
HADES is in Belgium:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ONDRAF
“RT has released excerpts from the purported Blumenthal-Clinton memos. RT, which is a propaganda arm of the Putin regime…”
“The timeline reported in the Blumenthal memo is curious. He reports the President meeting with advisors during the day of September 11. The organized attacks in Benghazi did not begin until after nine PM that evening.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/03/19/russian-television-rt-partial-release-of-hacked-hillary-clinton-emails/
As if 90% of major US media aren’t propaganda arms of the Obama regime.
Whoever hacked and leaked this will soon be sharing a cell with Bradley, or an air mattress in an Ecuadorean embassy. A high crime and misdemeanor; embarrassing The Hillary.
On cyber-war and cyber- espionage:
“First comes the bogeyman, and then comes the protection we need – more legislation and more law enforcement. Again, this all has a strangely familiar feeling.”
“There is a huge lobby in the US desperate to reclaim engineering jobs that have been shipped to China, and there is a huge lobby of hawks who are beginning to realise that the military digital complex can be even more profitable than the military industrial complex was. There is a powerful lobby that constantly pushes for increased regulation and there is an ever-increasing call for freedom-restricting technology that limits anonymity and online whistle-blowing.”
“The NSA intercepted communication between Airbus and the Saudi Arabian government during contract negotiations and forwarded this communication to Boeing and McDonnell-Douglas (who went on to win the contract instead).”
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/02/201322510446268971.html
On cyber-whatever-events there is zero physical evidence for conspiracists to speculate upon. Just take your pick from the basket of fast-talking cyber-experts that explain the Rosetta stone of code and packets.
@ bluebird 20 Mar, 2013 – 10:33 am
http://nooralzahraa.co.uk
On the link you gave, did you notice on the “about” page all three of the founding women met in the school of pharmacy?
@ Q — too many links to read right now. Did you notice that the resolution publicly stated for the Israeli satellites, even if
if it’s an order of magnitude greater it’s still not enough to determine the colour of Maddie McCann’s eyes.
The answer to your question I think Q
20 Mar, 2013 – 2:55 pm is “the long grass”.
Of course French law is based on Roman Law in which the role of the judge is more inquisitorial in contrast to British practice developed from the Common Law, where the role is more akin to an umpire. We are completely in the dark as to the mechanics of this investigation. Our Eric was obviously the appointed spokesman but despite opining on many aspects he later distanced himself from the actual investigation, so we don’t know who is actually taking the leading role, or how the judges, prosecutor and Gendarme are actually interacting, not to mention what involvement the DGSE have, or whether the French and British are acting as one team or two semi-automonous ones on parallel rails. Maybe the two stick to their respective territorial areas? None of these questions have been posed by the British or French press as far as I can see. How useless are they? I suppose we shall have to wait for a Crimewatch reconstruction before even basic information is revealed.
Its impossible to know the significance of this famous quote NR
20 Mar, 2013 – 7:50 am. There is no doubt the it was the monarch’s intervention saved his bacon. It would not have been done without good reason and much consideration by her advisors. It was a damage limitation exercise rather than a friendly gesture – Burrell knew too much and it was better to shut him up. As to the quote it can be interpreted as a “wink-wink-matey” empathetic remark. On the other hand a much more sinister warning. The fact that Burrell has never been invited up to Balmoral for the weekend since rather suggests it was more the latter than the former.
And whilst on the subject of “powers at work in this country about which we have no knowledge” not to mention abroad, does Craig have any way of checking on the well-being of “Marlin” who was a regular contributor here, and was in the middle of a two-part opinion before disappearing without trace? I’m afraid I don’t quite share BB’s confidence that all is well on this one. Does anyone here have any knowledge or method of making sure he’s OK?
This was his last entry nearly two weeks ago:
“Marlin
8 Mar, 2013 – 10:02 pm
@Tim V 8:04 PM
To clarify: The jason Koutsoukis I was referring to is the author (together with pearlman) of that article in The Age that came out on February 27 2010 and was prominently referred to in the Bormann abc report. You should save this for your files as it provides some key early dates, if you haven’t yet.
http://www.theage.com.au/world/asio-in-fresh-israel-spy-probe-20100226-p949.html
Note that Zygier is not named in this article and neither are the two other australian-israeli Mossad agents. Jason was BTW interviewed by Bormann in the documentary and refers to a tip that goes back to october 2009 (see why we need a timeline?). I wonder why the co-author pearlman (obviously jewish) did not mind his buddy Jason getting all the attention.
Obviously he got a very clear and specific tip from ASIO, back in 2009, which included names and possibly phone numbers. What that tells us is that ASIO was on to some shenanigans involving passports back then. remember the Australians who took a boat to Iran in 2009? that’s where the thread starts.
later, no doubt as a direct result of the Dubai assassination passport revelations, ASIO must have hinted that it’s Ok to publish that article. Clearly, this was a shot across the bow to israel. Saying we know who you have in jail (by that time – Feb 27, x was already jailed). read that article with a view towards who must have encouraged its publication and why at that time.
The article by Koutsoukis and Pearlman was squashed in israel, as were later attempts at revelations of prisoner X in June 2010.”
Rather ominously you may think he added this….
“As for the lebanon spy network, yes, that was all blown up in 2010 – and 2011 – but there were rumblings in 2009. I believe that the discovery/compromise of the milan company played a role in that though obviously it would have taken time to figure out what’s what and where. As you know I sort of go along with the Israeli Blogger Yehuda bello that the Benjamin Zygier in Milano was NOT the X Zygier though he used that persona with the aiding and abetting of our one and only ben Alon/Allen/Zygier/Burroughs (I don’t go along with everything Bello suggests – for obvious reasons. He is blissfully transparent though so I can tell the line between honest speculation and whitewash/wishful thinking – must not be too mean to Mossad, right?). Part of the reason it may have been so important to keep X in jail is so that there wouldn’t be too many “Zygiers” running around.
Unfortunately, it was too late and the spies – were already caught though some probably managed to escape.
My significant project will be soon done (no, it’s not a mossad operation…ha! much more laid back, if not uninteresting), at which point I hope to share my complete, unabridged, definitive 2009/2010 timeline of events. So stay tuned (and if you want to, by all means beat me to it – I am not over-possessive, as you may have noticed…).
That being said, I have some worries about Craig Murray and his heart condition. What if something were to befall him (here’s hoping he’ll leave to his 90′s) – where would we all congregate? he has BTW some great commenters on the other threads, but it’s good to be our own groupies. And this particular thread has a treasure trove of information – I always worry about the clean teams…..”
@ Tim V 20 Mar, 2013 – 8:39 pm
“This was his last entry nearly two weeks ago: Marlin
8 Mar, 2013 – 10:02 pm”
Someone else is missing too. I called to make a report: “Yes, I’d like to report a missing screen-name… Felix aka felixfelix some places… description? a very large red holdall… yes, yes, exactly like the one at Alderney street, that’s why we’re worried… felix was here at Craig Murray a few weeks ago, and last seen at David Icke… yes, that’s the one, the place with all the Reptilians and Jimmy Savile… investigating strange murder/suicides, like Norfolk Broads, operation Menzies… how do I know about that? it was on your own web page… OK, I’ll forget about that bit… yes, we’ve already had the search engines check other threads, nowhere to be seen… Emma Sayle’s place? we didn’t think of that… you mean like furries… they’ve moved on to soft luggage now?” 🙂
One version of HM cutting off Burrell is the Royals were royally pissed at him for violating confidentiality.
@Tim V 8:04 pm: Of course! The one place no one thought to look.
NR
20 Mar, 2013 – 9:23 pm I obviously take things far too seriously. It’s a personality disorder. I’ll up the tablets.
NR
20 Mar, 2013 – 3:24 pm the Benghazi has CIA printed all over it. In fact it was so clear the Israelis could probably see it from one of their new satellites. An American Ambassador in a war zone with no marine protection? Really! Who told the attackers he was there? (He was only there for a day meeting the Turkish Ambassador!) Who organised them?
“Four Americans died in the attack. J. Christopher Stevens, the Ambassador and Sean Smith a communications expert. Glen Doherty and Tyrone S. Woods were former Navy SEALs. Senior intelligence officials later acknowledged that Woods and Doherty were contracted by Central Intelligence Agency, not the State Department as previously identified, and were part of a Global Response Staff (GRS), a team that provides security to CIA case officers and counter surveillance and surveillance protection.” WIKI
Highly embarrassing for both Obama and Clinton. (CIA have a history of disliking Democratic Presidents) The Presidential election followed on the 6th November but the event wasn’t sufficient to tip the balance. The attack was on the anniversary of 9/11. (How ironic that?) Neither Obama or Clinton made public allegations of a set-up (how could they) but only three days after the election, CIA Director David Petraeus dramatically “resigns” over an alleged affair. Pure co-incidence of course.
“The President himself attributed the anti-American activity at the Tripoli and Benghazi facilities to efforts to undermine his regime by tying him to the CIA. The President warned that his enemies were working to take advantage of his suspected links to the CIA at a time when Western intelligence services are under scrutiny in Libya.” http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2013/03/19/russian-television-rt-partial-release-of-hacked-hillary-clinton-emails/
Do I take it NR
20 Mar, 2013 – 9:23 pm YOU are Marlin? (It’s OK you can trust me. I’ll only tell one person)
“Flight International” Breaking News.
Bo Jiang, a research scientist employed at NASA’s Langley research center was arrested on 16 March for lying to federal agents about his possession of a laptop, external hard drive and memory stick, after boarding a flight to China.
Suspicion fell on Bo starting on 7 March, when US Representative Frank Wolf announced at a press conference that concerned NASA employees informed him of lapses in security regarding Bo, a scientist studying imagery enhancements for contractor National Institute of Aerospace.
On 18 March, Wolf called on NASA to take down all public technical information so it could be reviewed for potential violations of export control laws, which tightly regulate spacecraft and satellite components.
Satellites, contractors, Imagery Enhancements….but no “mass shooting” !
Tim V, 8:39, 8:49Pm + NR’s report on “missing handles”:
Not to worry, still here, but wrapped up in busyness. One project ran into another (which is good – they are all paying!). Good to be missed though. And since I was, and no I am not NR (which is something NR would know all too well) I’ll share something with you Tim V – since you quoted that last post – Marlin is a “she”, honest (i thought it was obvious – why would I think that?)….now you know I have something in common with Kattie (sp?)……and a few billion others.
James
FYI
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bo-jiang/1b/bb5/104?_mSplash=1&rs=false
http://m.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/03/nasa-china-fbi/63286/
Tim V, forgot to say am really sorry for making you worry (though in this conspiracy business, it’s only natural (to worry, I mean). I’d worry too were some, otherwise quite present, were to disappear for days on end. Will try to be better about dropping notes of eminent disappearance/demise etc. The good news is my timeline is done (not just Zygier either – hey, it rhymes!). I did have to get over the shock when I discovered that Rudd visited israel on the day before the “suicide” (which you first brought to my attention, I believe), but it did check out- totally not connected, of course….so they say. Why, it never is, right?). The bad news is I still need a couple of days before I can get around to posting anything of substance.
PS am humbled by the careful attention you paid to my meager postings.
PPS haven’t lost interest. It’s only time (and chance) that happeneth to us all….
PPPS hope the gender bender doesn’t throw anyone off. It’s that analytic thing, I know…..but that too is good exercise for the properly conspiracy-minded. Expect the unexpected should be the rule (which I try to remember, not always successfully).
James, you could be on something here.
Edge detection!
I was a little bit on research. Edge detection is used to detect radiation, nuclear devices, diamonds, etc. in trucks, ships and even underground by edging satellite photos or customs pictures when ships or trucks pass certain imaging regions.
Canny Edge detection is used to find nuclear radiation spots on images made of regions or objects, whether or not those objects are covered or underground.
There is a significant science on Canny Edge detection at the University of Surrey in Guildford who are working in joint venture with Rutherford Labs (RAL) on edge detection in terms of radiation.
I cannot copy PDF files here, but simply search for
“Paul Sellin STFC”
on google and there are 2 PDF files listed. There you can read what i tried to explain.
With Canny Edging you can find radiation even then when the objects are underground or inside trucks or ships, just by methods used in image and satellite image processing. Bo Jiang did exactly that in Langley. You would have a world wide map of radiation devices and radiation objects whether or not covered and underground, if you had those satellite images and if you were an expert in canny edging.
Must read that link!
This is it what Bo Jiang was working for. And perhaps Saad al Hilli, too.
Could you have important information that is worth an assassination or an arrest if you worked for that research and investigation? Image Canny Edge research. That might be a missing link!
http://nnsa.energy.gov/aboutus/ourprograms/nonproliferation
The cutting-edge research and development being done by the men and women at Los Alamos National Laboratory provides critical technical support to our key nuclear nonproliferation programs as we work to implement President Obama’s nuclear security agenda.” — Anne Harrington, NNSA Deputy Administrator for Defense Nuclear Nonproliferation
http://nnsa.energy.gov/mediaroom/pressreleases/pnnlcrl41911
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?reload=true&arnumber=6459923&contentType=Conference+Publications
@ Tim V 21 Mar, 2013 – 12:34 am
“Highly embarrassing for both Obama and Clinton. (CIA have a history of disliking Democratic Presidents)… three days after the election, CIA Director David Petraeus dramatically “resigns” over an alleged affair. Pure co-incidence of course.”
I agree the CIA is more biased against Democrats, but with Nixon there was anger over his China policy and they may well have helped speed his exit, though he didn’t need much help.
With Petraeus, there’s the matter of him and Rumsfeld bringing to Iraq Cols. Steele and Coffman, veterans of Central American dirty wars, Honduras, etc., to set up interrogation centres, as reported on 07 Mar 2013. There was a blip of outrage for a few days, then all quickly forgotten.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/07/donald-rumsfeld-iraqi-torture
“Tim V 21 Mar, 2013 – 12:46 am: Do I take it NR 20 Mar, 2013 – 9:23 pm YOU are Marlin? (It’s OK you can trust me. I’ll only tell one person)”
“Marlin 21 Mar, 2013 – 8:09 am: Tim V, 8:39, 8:49Pm + NR’s report on “missing handles”:”
Tim V: No, I’m not Marlin, ’cause Marlin once accused me of not being SIS ’cause I had a sense of humour and they don’t.
Marlin: Good to hear you are living long and prospering. Incidentally I discovered our missing red holdall posting a comment in some obscure blog in Feb., but that predates the last comment on Icke.
Bluebird.
This (below links) is how I expected Al Hilli to be. But he wasn’t.
Bo Jiang publishes his work (papers).
http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=_1q8WiMAAAAJ&hl=en
http://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=list_colleagues&hl=en&user=_1q8WiMAAAAJ
James
I am afraid that you have the wrong Bo Jiang in your latest two google quotes.
“Our” Bo lives in america and he is specialised in imaged canny edge detection. That science sees things that eyes cannot see on pictures/images. It is used for satellite images and for spectroscope images. By using mathrmatical procedures in image analyses of pixels you can detect hidden objects, radiation or other items that ypu could not see with your eyes. You can e.g. locate ships carrying HEU (MOX) by analysing satellite images with canny edge detection formula.