The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ Q: Also off-topic — mostly pointless.
Your St. George and War Measures Act mentions set me reading some Canadian history — the story of Prime Minister MARTIN Brian Mulroney and his excellent adventures in corruption. Brown bags of either $225,000 or $300,000 given to him by a German-Canadian, Karlheinz Schreiber, in New York City. Airbus comes up, as does Thyssen and the unusual number of major corporations of which he is board member. Apparently he’s attending the Margaret Thatcher shindig/riot in London.
For fun, I looked for Masonic symbolism in the Verdi Requiem. Experts don’t note any. No ominous triple thumps on tympani. Not even in Mozart’s Requiem, though he did a Masonic Mass.
For Dan Brown fans: “Professor Beyer’s 33 Keys to The Lost Symbol: A Reader’s Companion to the Dan Brown Novel” and http://keystolostsymbol.wetpaint.com/
Finally, Iqbal had henna hair. Believe we established long back that henna counted as a RED clue. 🙂
Tim v.
Katie uses the same avatar as she did use before. Welcome back. She follows the same Obama theory as she did before. Her theory isnt unlikely and was one of the many we had discussed before.
However, we have to know the people and to evaluate what Eric does and what he tells media from time to time. Given the current information, the French must be deeply involved. This is no cover up for the British nor any for Obama. They are involved. In what kind of involvement they are, we dont know. However, i found some evidence and something to investigate to connect the Morange family with Iraq, Didier Julia and Philippe Brett.
Philippe Brett could be the joker who connects the Iraqi family and Schutz/Morange.
If we just knew more regarding the Christian Marechal assassination! Arent there any French people who would kindly investigate? Didnt French ever investigate background regarding Christian Marechal and Morange/Didier Julia? No French forum discussing the Christian Marechal assassination? That background info and more info regarding Philippe Brett and Iraq could help to solve the French involvement in the al Hilli assassination.
I bet that this was about money and/or blackmailing.
@ katie millington 14 Apr, 2013 – 7:54 pm: “BB, these murders were not assassinations. They were very different & not political but personal, in my opinion.”
“Q: You are not talking about Obama when you talk of CIA.
I believe it is all personal nothing to do with the US government just O, but emanates from his UK Iraqi connection…… and money.”
You mean Mr X from Chicago, last address a Swiss prison, whose name we dare not mention on penalty of a letter from Carter Ruck? Or the Syrian from Chicago, last address an Illinois prison? Or the late Frank Marshall Davis of Chicago/Hawaii, alleged Communist and paedophile, Barak’s mentor and possibly Barak’s real father? The last one would make Barak a natural born US citizen after all, and not a Muslim from Kenya. I mean, he could still be a Muslim if he wanted, just not from Kenya. 🙂
@NR: Off-topic again, and also mostly pointless. Last week’s events and the event on Sunday come to mind with St. George. A cryptic message, perhaps, bringing 40 years of history into the present? Remembering de Gaulle’s dislike of the father.
By strange coincidence, the grand-nephew of Georges Vanier is married to a woman who is still in jail in Mexico, while legal proceedings against and investigations into the construction company that employed her continue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vive_le_Qu%C3%A9bec_libre
Memories are long. Grudges live on past their originators, and through the generations.
Trivia about the Verdi Requiem, and its connection to Poland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theresienstadt_concentration_camp
Another aside:
Here is an article with a slightly different perspective on the Zygier story, exploring the possibility of Mossad agents posing as CIA to recruit for a false flag operation; also involving an American “passport farm”:
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/02/14/ben-zygier-rip/
Rhetoric or reality?
“While some historians[who?] have speculated that France under de Gaulle went so far as to set up a spy network in Canada and even give aid to Front de libération du Québec (FLQ) terrorists in the years leading up to 1967, France’s intervention in Canadian intergovernmental relations remained largely in the realm of diplomatic rhetoric.”
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93France_relations
@ Q 15 Apr, 2013 – 3:08 pm
“Memories are long. Grudges live on past their originators, and through the generations.”
Scots take their grudges seriously, clans still not speaking over something that happened 400 years ago. In the Middle East the grudges go back 5000 years. Contrasted with The West where major disputes, including vaporisation of cities, is quickly forgotten and within a decade everyone is best-buds again.
Some loose ends:
1. Monash University in Australia had a reputation as a hotbed for student radicalism in the 1960s and 1970s. A student siege once forced the country’s Prime Minister into hiding in a basement.
2. Monash University has a campus in Italy, not far from Florence.
3. The Australian Synchrotron and CSIRO are among the scientific research facilities located on or adjacent to the university campuses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University
Monash University is connected to various Italian cities, and provides a way for students to obtain visas for study in Italy via its overseas partnerships:
http://www.monash.edu.au/study/campuses/international.html
http://monash.edu/study-abroad/outbound/exchange/partners/italy/
There are many unanswered questions in the Ben Zygier story. Was Monash University used by Mossad as an operating base for agents other than Ben Zygier? Were Mossad agents not only recruited there, but used as recruiters for false flag and other operations elsewhere in the world? If so, was anyone who worked for Monash University or on its campuses aware of this? Were the overseas campuses of Monash used for espionage? Is this how Ben Zygier got his visa for Italy? Did Lachlan Cranswick find out about this while he attended Monash, during his work at CSIRO, or at some other point? Is it a coincidence that Cranswick disappeared on the day of the Dubai assassination, and died in the same year as Ben Zygier? Is it a coincidence that Monash University has stayed very quiet about all of this?
Thanks for the opportunity to bring up past discussions and old memories, KM. Now back to the discussion at hand.
YET MORE NONSENSE! It wasn’t a “He” it was a “She”. It wasn’t “in” to Chevaline, it was “out”. It wasn’t a “large” white car, it was a “small” one. And rejected because it was “too imprecise”!!!!! Now after seven months a forestry worker “remembers” a white wide BMW driving INTO the forest. So they take 7 months to discover and announce a vehicle never mentioned before that would be important for the investigation???? You couldn’t make this stuff up.
“An eyewitness close to the murder scene had already told detectives he had seen a “dark” individual careering into Chevaline in a large white car and almost hitting another vehicle, but the testimony was reportedly dismissed as too imprecise.
Now, according to Le Parisien newspaper, there is renewed interest in such a vehicle after an employee of the national forestry office told inspectors he too had seen a white BMW X5-type model in the same area. It added that it was “unusual” to see such a wide vehicle on the narrow roads leading into the forest.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9995367/Alps-murder-investigators-seek-white-BMW-driver.html
To the questions you pose Q
15 Apr, 2013 – 7:40 pm – universities have always been favourite stamping grounds for recruiting spies. Oxbridge before the war is well known. The Australian SIS is the child of MI6 from Colonial days. Its ethos and approaches are still probably the same not to mention the channels of communication still very much open. Monash is ideal not only as a source of young intelligent people with specialist skills but also with strong Muslim links.
“From a single campus at Clayton with fewer than 400 students, Monash has grown into a network of campuses, education centres and partnerships spanning the globe. With approximately 60,000 students (and 250,000 almuni) from over 170 countries, we are today Australia’s largest university.We have six local campuses throughout the state of Victoria, as well as two international campuses – one in Sunway, Malaysia and another in South Africa. We also have international centres in the People’s Republic of China, Italy and India.”
“The Islamic Perspective Of The War On Terrorism And Current
Indonesian Responses
Jawahir Thontowi1This paper was delivered at the Human Rights
2003: The Year in Review Conference held by the Castan Centre for Human Rights Law, Monash
Law School, Melbourne, 4 December 2003.” http://search.monash.edu/?cx=001621737867968046729%3Ansl4i5alcty&cof=FORID%3A11&q=moslems&sa=Find
“We gratefully acknowledge the expertise and generous commitment of time of our committee members. The
Gen08 project is directed by its Melbourne Steering Committee, chaired by Laurence Joseph, with membership
comprising Anton Block (Past President, Jewish Community Council of Victoria), Bill Appleby, David Brous, Dr Nicky
Jacobs, Grahame Leonard, Geoffrey Zygier, and Professor Andrew Markus.” http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/gen08/files/2012/12/gen08-report4-antisemitism.pdf
Oh, I forgot to mention…. a BMW X5
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bmw+x5&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=h5ZsUYuIE8qM7AaG4ICwAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CF4QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=712
couldn’t in a month of Sundays be confused with a “Peugeot 206”
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=peugeot+206&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=DJZsUdTpN4fPOdiigfgO&ved=0CEcQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=712
or a Peugeot 306
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=peugeot+306&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=TpZsUe-fAcK-O_DggagB&ved=0CE4QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=712
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Just what is Maillaud on?!!!!!!!!!
With that I think it’s time for shut-eye. Goodnight one and all.
Surprised there are no comments on the Boston bombing here. Taliban I notice have denied responsibility and no-one else has yet claimed it. Whoever is, and after the debacle of 9/11, no-one can be ruled out. Apart from the human tragedy it causes, the impact is largely psychological on a nation used to isolation and security. Let’s hope the FBI do a better job of investigating it than the French at Chevaline.
Tim, I thought of posting about Boston as it was happening yesterday, but stepped back. “False flag” was the term circulating on the internet yesterday.
Where are the other contributors to this forum?
As for Monash, its role, whatever that is, in the Zygier affair, deserves greater exploration. Australians should be asking some serious questions about that school. More and more it seems possible that Lachlan Cranswick, whose disappearance and death were greeted with the same cloak of silence as Ben Zygier, may have had his fate determined at Monash, and nearby CSIRO. The biggest question of all in relation to Monash, IMO, is the extent to which Mossad and other intelligence agencies have infiltrated the university and the country’s scientific research agency, CSIRO, as well as the synchrotron research facility.
Another story flew under the radar yesterday:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/15/world/meast/iraq-violence/index.html?hpt=wo_c2
Q
16 Apr, 2013 – 2:41 pm it looks as if after only 14,000 + posts we are running out of contributors and the contributors are running out of steam LOL. Like you I delayed mentioning Boston as I have absolutely no idea. However it is a very different public now to that of a decade ago. A sizeable proportion of the internet generation is perhaps not quite as gullible as it was. The defining moment here was the “dodgy dossier”, there and internationally the slowly emerging revelations regarding 9/11 that proved government must have been involved, and which in turn has introduced a deep scepticism to all such events, at least in a sizeable sector of the population. This undermining of faith in government is far more profound and damaging in the long term than “That was the week that was” and the revelations concerning Suez. Now we know that (perhaps rogue) elements of government were able to countenance a conspiracy to commit mass murder, for foreign and other policy objectives. So we must view all “terrorism” now in that light, whether genuinely enemy action or not.
The worrying thing about this latest outrage is that we have somewhat familiar elements. The location: Boston with all its Kennedy/Irish/Mafia/Catholic/Tea Party associations. (An event first reported as bomb then a “fire incident” at JFK Museum?) Timing: Patriots’ Day/fifty year anniversary of Kennedy’s assassination in which CIA/Mafia involvement is now proved. Bomb practise being carried out same day apropos London and New York events. Similar psychological effects on population and law makers (remember the “Patriot Act” closely followed 9/11) So just to illustrate, a couple of quotes:
From the Telegraph: “Frances Townsend, a homeland security adviser for President George W Bush, said her law enforcement sources told her that the explosions were a “well co-ordinated, well-planned event”.”
“But an incident at the city’s John F Kennedy presidential library that was initially feared to have been a bomb explosion was later said to have been “fire-related”.
A law enforcement official said that mobile phone service was shut down in the Boston area to prevent any potential remote detonations of explosives.
Asked if the bombs were a terror attack, Ed Davis, the Boston police commissioner, said: “We are not being definitive about that, but you can reach your own conclusions.”
And this rather strange one: “At least two other suspect devices were found near the marathon route. A third explosion was heard about an hour after the first two after authorities warned spectators to expect a loud noise from a water cannon that police were using to destroy one of the devices.”!!! Since when have water canon been used to defuse explosive devices? And since when have the made the sound of an explosion? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9996332/Boston-Marathon-explosions-three-dead-dozens-injured-as-bombs-hit-race-finish-line.html
Then there is this from Infowars.com:
“Bomb squad was running “controlled explosion” on the same day
What’s not yet being reported by the mainstream media is that a “controlled explosion” was under way on the same day as the marathon explosion. As the Boston Globe tweeted today, “Officials: There will be a controlled explosion opposite the library within one minute as part of bomb squad activities.”” http://www.infowars.com/boston-marathon-bombing-happened-on-same-day-as-controlled-explosion-drill-by-boston-bomb-squad/
Time will presumably tell. I guess Maillaud would give it ten years.
Q
16 Apr, 2013 – 2:56 pm when I tried to access that I got this! “We’re sorry! This page is not available. Please visit the CNN homepage or use the search box below.” Has it been pulled? A brief summary might come in handy if you can spare the time. 🙂
re Monash you no doubt the ref. to Geoffry Zygier in that anti-Semitism paper. Monash also seem to have a female member of the Zygier family on their staff. I have no idea if they are related or how closely but it can’t be that common a name out there. That and the family’s silence raises the question of if more/former members of the family, actually entrenched within the establishment, were/are assets of Israeli Intelligence?
@Tim V 16 Apr, 2013 – 3:25 pm
But the good old Telegraph keeps on plugging the story.
So it hasn’t really run out of steam.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/15/world/meast/iraq-violence/index.html?hpt=wo_c2
“Baghdad (CNN) — A series of bomb blasts across Iraq on Monday killed at least 42 people and wounded more than 257 others, police said.
The attacks took place in at least six provinces: Baghdad, Anbar, Babel, Kirkuk, Salaheddin Diyala, and Nasriya, police officials across the country told CNN.
Two of the bombs exploded at a checkpoint near Baghdad’s international airport.
Most of the attacks in Baghdad targeted Shiite areas, police told CNN. Al Qaeda in Iraq, made up of Sunni extremists, has claimed responsibility for many attacks in recent months.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/15/world/meast/iraq-violence/index.html?hpt=wo_c2
Attacks elsewhere hit security checkpoints, Shiite areas and political offices.
With provincial elections scheduled to take place in five days, ongoing attacks have politicians worried that violence could skew the outcome, if Iraqis who fear attacks on polling centers stay at home.”
@ Tim V: Louise Zygier, Ben’s mother, worked at Monash as the philanthropic relations director for the law school.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/aussie-agent-ben-zygier-jailed-for-treason-in-israel/story-fn59nm2j-1226577492430
@ Mochyn69: Strange you should mention that. I decided to look up some other news stories written by Andrew Hough of the Telegraph, and look what came up:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7819201/Nasa-warns-solar-flares-from-huge-space-storm-will-cause-devastation.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9983093/Carol-Thatcher-to-be-accompanied-by-on-off-boyfriend-at-Baroness-Thatchers-funeral.html
Hough wrote this piece:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9964128/Armed-guard-on-Alp-victims-brother-Zaid-Al-Hilli.html
I was looking for articles that might relate to Saad al-Hilli: satellites, the Alps, etc.
More from Andrew Hough, including helicopters, spies and British Muslims fighting in Syria:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/andrew-hough/
In other news today, Iran has been hit with a magnitude 7.8 earthquake:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22168202
Israel celebrated its 65th birthday starting last night and into today.
http://www.israelifrontline.com/2013/04/yom-haatzmaut-israeli-independence-day.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/israel-independence-day-2013_n_3092100.html
Mochyn69
16 Apr, 2013 – 3:58 pm and Q
16 Apr, 2013 – 4:45 pm Let’s hope that Haugh is more accurate than another of their reporters Henry Samuel, in that Paris 3:10PM BST 15 Apr 2013 dispatch. could you get more factual errors in a short piece? Or does it just reflect the latest crazy approach of Maillaud and the French police. If the latter it must be interpreted as them rubbishing completely Sylvie Lecouer’s testimony. How could a WHITE BMW X5 suddenly appear or be remembered by a Government Official seven months after the event. If remembered at the time what possible excuse was there for keeping it secret? The story is so crass it beggars belief that they could put it out. How could the Telegraph report this information without challenging it?
Q
16 Apr, 2013 – 7:29 pm – “Shall we celebrate with a few fireworks?”