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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Q

    @ NR: Another one of my asides. Could the Montreal story tie into the $3.1 billion in missing terrorism money? Lots of things go missing in Montreal: money, peeps.

  • Q

    @ NR 7:04 a.m.: This is why the batteries are important. Why did the BBs use a brand of battery that is favored by the military? Couldn’t they have used something more common, that isn’t quite so difficult to get? We are told our BBs went to a small, niche hobby store, where they allegedly bought batteries from a man who could remember them, and who says he knows exactly how they built the bomb. Or did they order them over the internet, where it would be easy to track the purchase back to them? It’s kind of like Brother #2 wearing that obscure hoodie. One might assume that because of his interest in a niche website on car audio, that he had an interest in cars, and toy cars, and so he ordered his hoodie online from the niche website. Of course he had no interest in hobby UAVs, even though we know the Tenergy brand battery is used for this purpose. Nor would he have set off the detonation with a remote car starter, which is so yesteryear. It seems the BBs made every move easily traceable by investigators, but why?

  • NR

    @ bluebird 1 May, 2013 – 2:03 pm
    http://www.gofundme.com/ChristianCarolineFund
    “NR This was definitely Christian Williams. Scroll down and look at the third picture on his donation website.”

    Yes, by their own admission it’s Christian. And he isn’t “degloved” or injured at all. Resting comfortably against a corpse or injured victim. Not very considerate.

    Note something else of interest. Certified Hero Jeff Bauman said bomber gave him bad vibes because he was dressed wrong for the weather – two layers of clothing, outer one a sweater-vest with leather sleeves.

    The man climbing over victims in front of Christian is dressed in the exact same jacket as both brothers wore, except he has one of the Craft caps.

    I still don’t see anything to connect Christian to aiding injured Jeff or did I misunderstand you?

  • Q

    Hoodies, what is with them?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10008440/Boston-bomb-suspect-cannot-speak-as-doctors-treat-throat-wounds.html
    http://www.grahamefuller.com/
    http://www.grahamefuller.com/about/

    What is the underwear brand name? The shoes on the author’s page look like Nikes. Is this the new product placement technique? Another aside:

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/nike-pulls-t-shirts-with-words-boston-massacre-in-aftermath-of-bombing-357564

    For some more reading:

    http://www.grahamefuller.com/reviews/2012/9/28/the-arab-shia-the-forgotten-muslims-1.html

    An aside on a famous name, and “lone wolf”:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-dzhokhar-dudayev-1306699.html

    As for the brain, NR, isn’t that what happened in Sandy Hook?

  • Mochyn69

    @Pink

    30 Apr, 2013 – 4:05 pm

    Thx for the link to MZT, haven’t been there for a while but the discussion over there is raging on.

    In fact some contributions from some very interesting people now, including Hasan al Hilli and ‘Fat Bastard’, a friend of Saad al Hilli.

    Check it out.

  • Mochyn69

    @Tim V

    It’s actually well worth reading all the comments on MZT, if only to help bring the main focus of this thread back to the tuerie de Chevaline.

    Boston is odd, very odd, and I hear from American colleagues here that ornery folks over there are ‘perturbed’ and whilst there are parallels with Chevaline, personally I doubt they are directly connected.

  • Ferret

    @NR

    So… Malcolm Lambert was a risk assessor for London Underground in 2005, was he? Hmmmm…. I wonder where he was in, say, 2007? Round about the month of July? Maybe any day between the 6th and the 8th?

    @Tim V

    “Oh my god that’s where we were today! And we returned at about the same time it must have been happening.”

    Well yes, if the Lamberts had actually said that, I would have understood.

    But this is exactly what they are not saying.

    They are not at all freaked out that their car was parked up the combe d’ire all day, that some random nutter might have offed them instead of the al hilli’s. Puzzling.

    They are also not freaked out at the thought that he/she might do it to them that night, before they go back home to blighty. Oh no. Puzzling.

    They are instead merely “shocked” that it could have happened to someone camped so close to them at the campsite, and heading home as a result.

    Gong! Thank you for playing.

    What gave them any assurance that (a) it couldn’t have been them, and (b) it couldn’t now happen to them?

    Unless they knew something we didn’t…

  • Ferret

    One other oddity in Mr Lambert’s testimony:

    “‘We arrived back at about 3.30pm French time and sirens were going on constantly for about two hours,’ he revealed. ‘The police helicopter was up and we knew something serious had happened.'”

    Why did he say “French time”? What a weird thing to say. I mean, what other time zone might anyone have thought? It did all happen in France, didn’t it?

    Even if he was being interviewed over the phone from the Isle of Man, he wouldn’t expect anyone would think he was running on UK time while on holiday in France, would he? Would you???

    It’s all very, very odd, if you ask me.

  • Mochyn69

    @Ferret

    1 May, 2013 – 5:01 pm

    Good to see you back, all we need now is Katie and the Sorensen to return for there to be a full house.

    About Lambert’s ‘french time’ I live in a different timezone to the UK and always refer to my local time in this way.

    I suggest all have a look at MZT and check back here to review the ideas being floated over there.

  • Q

    Other directors:

    http://www.companieslist.co.uk/07015240-the-anaerobic-digestion-and-biogas-association-limited

    Samantha Fuller’s current company, River Generation Ltd., set up business on April 5, 2013, so there’s nothing found there. Here are her other affiliations:

    http://www.companieslist.co.uk/05888980-insource-energy-limited
    http://www.companieslist.co.uk/06312223-insource-energy-rogerstone-limited

    I see she has been to Sweden, and was involved with a Nobel party:

    http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/samantha-fuller/29/902/489

    There’s something in there about Statoil, too.

  • Q

    Samantha Fuller’s interest in Statoil may be tenuous, but in case we forget Statoil:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Amenas_hostage_crisis
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100410586
    http://o.canada.com/2013/04/02/canadian-suspects-in-algeria-terrorist-attack-reveal-the-harm-travelling-jihadists-may-inflict/

    The last link refers to home-grown terrorists, previously known as nice boys in their home city.

    And now back to Samantha Fuller:

    http://www.dellam.com/06312223-PREMIER%20RENEWABLE%20ENERGY%20LIMITED.html

  • James

    http://www.manxradio.com/newsread.aspx?id=61400

    That is the Lambert (audio) interview on Radio Manx.
    For a man that claims to have driven past Al Hilli on the Combe D’Ire he hasn’t got a lot to say.

    So relaxed that he’d just been for a swim !

    Maybe he didn’t realise that the car he had past belonged to the Al Hilli family. Who knows.
    But find that fact out, you’d think he would mention it “on air”.

    And more than likely he would have not given an interview at all.
    He would have been the “star witness”. Most likely the last person to have seen the Al Hilli family alive….and at the scene !

    I would have expected him to be sat in a police station, shaking, drinking black coffee…and feeling shocked.

    Or having a nice swim before calling Manx Radio !

  • Mochyn69

    From the Telegraph article ~

    ‘Unidentified DNA that detectives suspected had belonged to the killer turned out to be that of an investigator who sifted through evidence with bare hands. It is now feared the murders may never be solved.’

    Unless …

  • James

    When this news broke, I recall that they said the vehicle was a U.K. Registered 4X4. This was a morning TV news report.
    It made me think of the “Essex Boyz” shooting many years ago.

    I didn’t see any news that day. When it later emerged that the vehicle was in fact an estate BMW, I didn’t think anymore about the first report I had heard with regard the vehicle.

    It is interesting now to note that the police are interested in.
    A 4×4. A BMW 4X4. A U.K. plated BMW 4X4.
    That would fit the first reports.

    First reports often have little snippets of later unrevealed nuggets.

  • Q

    Ordinary batteries (the kind with a copper color) and a V-brand phone were good enough for the Toronto 18. No fancy, military-brand batteries there. No toy cars, either.

    The new war on terror is homegrown, and recruits are young, some still minors.

    FWIW, the military base they targeted is the one that had a now-infamous killer colonel, although that story came a few years later.

  • NR

    @ Q 1 May, 2013 – 2:18 pm
    “@ NR: Another one of my asides. Could the Montreal story tie into the $3.1 billion in missing terrorism money? Lots of things go missing in Montreal: money, peeps.”

    They’ve made the parallel to the NYT cash-in-shopping-bags-to Kharzi and also to Saudis.
    http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/04/ghost-money-lost-anti-terror-funding-and-the-saudis-2631602.html

    From your theage.com.au link:
    “On the way to the gym, he poses in front of his Mercedes car in brilliant white moccasins, black trousers…”

    Wonder if it’s custom/protocol to deliver cash in Prada/Versace/D4S/RalphLauren shopping bags.

    Add to Bluebird’s rules of survival about avoiding tests and dry-runs another warning of standing well away from 20 to 30 year old men wearing designer gear. For the days of Charlie Manson when fiends looked like fiends. Or even Osama.

    “As for the brain, NR, isn’t that what happened in Sandy Hook?”
    Missed that one. Whose, Lanza’s?

    The pack of oxymoronic lone wolves just now grew to four. Possible two additional wolf pack members in pic at Times Square are still blurred out. Dzhokar has arm around one.

  • NR

    @ Mochyn69 1 May, 2013 – 5:07 pm
    “@Ferret 1 May, 2013 – 5:01 pm
    “Good to see you back, all we need now is Katie and the Sorensen to return for there to be a full house. I suggest all have a look at MZT and check back here to review the ideas being floated over there.”

    Here we are, within one or two hundred messages of unmasking The New World Disorder, and restoring tranquility to mankind, and you gently try to nudge us back to the many well-traveled pistes of Chevaline. [I read MZT, have little to contribute, except the Manx biz.]

    In the ancient and honourable traditions of conspiracy discussions I’m obliged to accuse you of nefarious intent. I demand to know which of the three, four or six letter agencies you really work for? 🙂 🙂 Maybe one extra, so we don’t get into a many-years-long running dispute. 🙂

    We can’t have Katie back here while James is here, though I like both their comments. Could they appear on alternate days.
    Sorensen — I’ve forgotten his position — was he the one who repeatedly objected to people using Zs instead of Ss?

    The biz of the Saudis warning both UK and US about Tamerlan and three Pakistanis, *could* link to SAH, as there was early on some story of him communicating with someone in Pakistan. If he ended up, rightly or wrongly, on some agency’s watch list, it could have triggered events at Chevaline.

  • Q

    Why do we keep hammering away at the Boston story? Because there could be common threads. Didn’t we discuss money laundering and so on with regard to terrorist groups, organized crime and despotic dictators? Isn’t the al-Hilli family connection to the CIA and to the politics of Iraq already established? The big picture is the thing, and the Chevaline incident could be part of a big picture.

    Meanwhile, AJ has already covered wire transfers and bank accounts abroad.

    http://www.infowars.com/tamerlan-tsarnaevs-links-to-cia-operations-in-caucasus/

  • Marlin

    Hello to all hard working persevering peoples (kudos!). Back [for a bit} from travels and travails. With a theory to offer (hat in hand for lengthy absence). I think it’s a decent framework to tie many of the facts around the odd Boston bombing together. Here is.

    As usual, I like to start with the Qui Bene angle, useful when facts are either not fully known or deliberately obscured. The answer in this case is clear – it’s the Russians. Not only do they look like the more competent party, but the good people in the US (cf. hostage media) to rethink the “Chechen guerilla fighters = good guys, FSB = bad guys” and they get to say; “see? we told you so! didn’t we warn you about tamerlan not once but thrice?”. They are now getting the intelligence cooperation they wanted (cf. the “warming ties”), get to sit back as the CIA/FBI are reeling from what looks like a bungled terror-watch case, and best of all, no non-caucasian descending Russians were harmed in the process, marathon watchers included. Just think how they might be playing their hand on other fronts as Obama is discussing escalation in Syria – as per = you know they got lots of those Chechens there, right? would you trust them with your RPGs?

    So the Russians score is 3:0 on political, intelligence sharing and security fronts. Anyway you slice what we now know (just the facts, not the speculations), the Russians (cf FSB + political echelons) are playing their hand like pros. At the very least, one must grant them that they have kept their cold-war spy instincts well honed, even as the CIA let theirs atrophy (probably as a result of being split into “two CIAs” and getting mired in internal fist fighting over terror territories and untoward political/ideological influence peddling).

    From this observation onto step 2 – just how could the Russians accomplish all this and what allowed them to walk away with the Tinker/Taylor/Soldier/Spy trophy? that’s where my conjecture comes in of a double plot-within-a-plot. Let’s see if I can wade through this without tripping:

    1. It’s quite possible that tamerlan was originally deployed as a FBI stooge – another would-be patsy who could be ‘radicalized”, turned to terror-planning, then arrested with big fanfare – preferably before anything really bad happens. Enter mysterious “Misha” (certainly not the one they have pointed to in the media – doesn’t fit the bill. Could be BB’s but need more information), a 6 months trip – mysteriously financed to Dagestan – more radicalization, more unknown funding sources of a comfortable life style.

    2. This FBI sting is carried out in collaboration with with the part of the CIA, or as referred to here, the “bad CIA”. Enter uncle Ruslan and the Khazakh connections. Possibly, the “other CIA” is not informed.

    3. Tamerlan could have been recruited either before or after that strange murder case that apparently elicited little interest from law enforcement. Why was he not treated as prime suspect in those all along?

    4. The Russian FSB got wing of the sting going down. They issue their first warning to the FBI in 2011 just to be on the safe side, and perhaps also to hint that they know what’s going on. Strangely, they let Tamerlan into the country, even issuing him his visa. No doubt he is followed all the way every which way – which is how they get to keep “tabs’ on the connections he makes. Both Nidal and the canadian are offed – in fire fights, while Tamerlan is “hanging around”. But they don’t come after him for a reason – they must have figured out that the danger is not to them but to the US. So they manage to “lose track” of him, as he travels to Moscow and back to the US>

    5. To cover their backs they issue more warnings: another one to the FBI then one to the CIA. The PTB, thinking that they got everything un”under control” with their own sting, sit on the warnings, doing the absolute minimum. They are however moving forward with their own “sting” continuing to steer Tamerlan towards mayhem making, all while ignoring the information they get from the Russians and failing to establish any in-depth co-operation.

    6. The effect of the unknown unknowns: Tamerlan himself. this is where the narrative splits into several possibilities: one is that Tamerlan was not really the standard patsy and kind of has plans of his own. may be he moves sooner than his “handlers” expected. Maybe he deviates from the script in whole or in part. Maybe, the drafting of his brother into the plot was unanticipated, producing complications in how things went down. Another possibility is more conspiratorial, alex jones like, and this is where Tamerlan was indeed a patsy, brain addled on steroids, causing him to believe he is actually part of a drill. There are additional, more complicated and scary possibilities. Either way, the motivation, as cited by the surviving brother is not part of the plan. This wasn’t supposed to look like a blowback but more like “they hate us for our freedoms”.

    7. Bingo! bomb goes off, FBI/CIA are ready – they do away with their sting subject (no choice – he might talk!) and are getting ready to do away with little bro too. But that’s where good old Ruslan steps in perhaps, activates CIA connections, prevails may be and decision is made to take Dzhokhar alive, iof badly wounded. Or it could just be “the good CIA” that realizes they have had rings run around them by the inside well-connected rogues. Could also be the Khazakhs stepping into the breech, who knows. Either way, little bro’ is in hospital, now even has a lawyer.

    8. This brings us up to date – almost – with the story to be continued.

    Hope you all find merit in my tale weaving – assuming anyone has patience enough to read through it all. I think it kind of does point to a possible path through the jumble of known and unknown facts and may help explain the many Boston oddities as well as this flailing aroundwith the story of what actually happened changing every day. Not unlike Chevalin.

    Meanwhile, on other fronts – there’s that sudden emergence of chemical weapons claim on Syria – just in time, as Assad’s military is making gains and the jihadi volunteers on the FSA front are in danger of losing their luster, what with all the brave Chechens in the ranks. Is that where tamerlan was supposed to end up?

  • Tim V

    Q 2.46 pm – What the CIA was up to in Latin America, it is up to in North America (and probably lots of other places) today. qUIYE AN eXETER FRATENITY.

    “Substantial evidence subsequently emerged to support the contention that Negroponte was aware that serious violations of human rights were carried out by the Honduran government, but despite this did not recommend ending U.S. military aid to the country. Senator Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, on September 14, 2001, as reported in the Congressional Record, aired his suspicions on the occasion of Negroponte’s nomination to the position of UN ambassador:
    Based upon the Committee’s review of State Department and CIA documents, it would seem that Ambassador Negroponte knew far more about government perpetrated human rights abuses than he chose to share with the committee in 1989 or in Embassy contributions at the time to annual State Department Human Rights reports.[6]
    Among other evidence, Dodd cited a cable sent by Negroponte, in 1985, that made it clear that Negroponte was aware of the threat of “future human rights abuses” by “secret operating cells” left over by General Gustavo Álvarez Martinez, the chief of the Honduran armed forces, after he was forcibly removed from his post by fellow military commanders in 1984.The cables reveal that Negroponte repeatedly urged reform of the Honduran criminal code and justice system to replace arbitrary measures taken by the Honduran government after events such as the blowing up of the nation’s main power plant at Tegucigalpa and the kidnapping of the entire business establishment of San Pedro Sula, the second largest city, in 1982. (S. Menzel, Dictators, Drugs and Revolution: Cold War Campaigning in Latin America, 1965-89(New York: Author House, 2006), 141-43). Negroponte’s predecessor as Ambassador, Carter appointee Jack Binns has acknowledged that human rights abuses carried out by the Honduran military were fostered by military assistance from the Argentine junta and the C.I.A. during the Carter administration, and that neither the Honduran government nor the CIA kept the embassy informed of what it was doing.[7] The scale of the carnage in Honduras was limited to less than 300 ‘disappearances’ during the five years of the Negroponte and Binns ambassadorships as compared with 70,000 lost lives as a result of civil war and repression in El Salvador, notwithstanding that Honduras was involved in a low-level civil war punctuated at times by invasions of its territory
    In April 2005, as the Senate confirmation hearings for the National Intelligence post took place, hundreds of documents were released by the State Department in response to a FOIA request by The Washington Post. The documents, cables that Negroponte sent to Washington while serving as ambassador to Honduras, indicated that he played a more active role than previously known in managing US efforts against the leftist Sandinistas. According to the Post, the image of Negroponte that emerges from the cables is that of an
    exceptionally energetic, action-oriented ambassador whose anti-communist convictions led him to play down human rights abuses in Honduras, the most reliable U.S. ally in the region. There is little in the documents the State Department has released so far to support his assertion that he used “quiet diplomacy” to persuade the Honduran authorities to investigate the most egregious violations, including the mysterious disappearance of dozens of government opponents.[8]” WIKIPEDIA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte

  • Q

    Thank you, Marlin. Your story offers an explanation of why Tsarnaev #2 is still alive.

    We cannot overlook the al-Hilli story’s Russian components.

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