Shootings in France 479


Let me be upfront: none of my usual contacts, so far, has any knowledge about the very clinical murders in France of the Iraqi origin British Hilli family. I have seen various internet reports of the links of Mr Hilli to the defence industry and that the French cyclist victim was linked to the nuclear industry. I am not immediately concerned that the other cyclist who raised the alarm was ex-RAF; had that fact been sinister, it would have been hidden or he might not have raised the alarm at all.

In short, I really do not know what is happening here and I don’t think normal hierarchies within British security agencies know either. It may be genuinely random, or not. I am not posting to speculate or to spread knowledge, but because unless I do post, commenters will derail other threads to discuss this. Should I discover anything, I will let you know. But we may well never know; we still don’t really know who killed JFK, or Hilda Murrell. There is always an answer, but it is not always known to the public.

No excuse can justify the failure to identify and help the poor little girl who was still alive in the bottom of the car. Discovering if anybody was alive in the car should have outweighed every other consideration for the emergency services. Protocols for the dead will not help them much, whatever they may achieve for abstract justice. The living are easier to serve well, and this was a gross failure.


479 thoughts on “Shootings in France

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  • nuid

    And the French cyclist, Sylvain Mollier, who was shot and killed, was on paternity leave, apparently. The whole thing is appalling.

  • Anon

    Nuld,

    The ex RAF guy staunched the bleeding from a major wound according to the Prosecutor yesterday. He also kept vital airways open and kept her breathing.

  • nuid

    “The ex RAF guy staunched the bleeding from a major wound according to the Prosecutor yesterday. He also kept vital airways open and kept her breathing.”

    Good for him. All I read was “the recovery position”.

  • Anon

    Nuld,

    Yes I know French reports say that he has approached police in the UK. But no confirmation of that from officials here yet. Presumably the national newspaper editors probably know if it is true or not. Personally I’d have maybe turned up at a local newspaper office first. I’d also be very worried about my safety if I was an innocent brother right now.

  • Anon

    Nuld,

    BBC said ex-RAF guy is under witness protection and all details are being withheld because of this.

  • Vague Hague

    This Jack Saltman chap who is next door neighbour of the family is a former journalist, working for the BBC and Thames amongst others. He’s the guy who told the British police why the father was worried. He hasn’t expanded publicly on this.

    Anyway, he seems to have been involved in making a TV prog about the MLK assassination and has given testimony in court.

    http://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/MLKACT/MLKACTvol07.txt

    May be interesting. May be not. In any event, he’s not unfamiliar with spookie goings on.

  • John Goss

    I’ve discovered from a David Kelly site that Mr al Hilli was a member of the ba’ath faith just like David Kelly. So if you can find the murderer(s) of Dr David Kelly the two might be the same.

  • Anon

    This Jack Saltman?

    An Interview with Margaret Thatcher

    As part of the election coverage an interview with the leader of the Conservative Party, Margaret Thatcher

    Broadcast details
    ITV, 24 April 1979 (27 minutes)
    Production company
    Thames Television
    Medium
    TV
    Genre
    current affairs
    Producer
    Peter Pagnamenta
    Director
    Jack Saltman

    Editor
    Mike Townson
    Presenter
    Llew Gardner
    Cast
    Margaret Thatcher
    Notes
    This Week/TV Eye – Thatcher

  • nuid

    “I’d also be very worried about my safety if I was an innocent brother right now.”

    Sure. But not if my brother was a nuclear scientist who had recently started working for Iran and was executed by Mossad. Just saying …

  • Pera

    I’m sure his brother will commit suicide while detained,and a threatening note made from cut-out magazine letters will be found on his person reading:

    “Assa lamb, Ally-kum dear brother, you will never get me now I have left for Iraq. Don’t bother to look for me, as I will be travelling along quiet roads and staying in small camp sites, like this one in Annecy [picture included]. Hasta luego, your hateful brother. PS Allah Akbar.”

    His body will be buried in the Mediterranean in accordance with Islamic tradition, and the letter will be destroyed to prevent it becoming a high value auction item on ebay sold to finance Al-Assad’s balaclava-clad, knife-wielding shabiha death squad.

  • nuid

    Alex Thomson has tweeted:
    ‘public prosecutor says dispute over money in family is main lead’

    I wonder who pushed the prosecutor in that direction?

  • Anon

    Nuld,

    Why? especially if that was true, I’d be terrified of being “suicided” as a convenient “patsy”.

  • Anon

    Nuld,

    The Prosecutor has not said that a dispute over money is the main lead. In fact, according to French media he advised that theory be treated with “caution”. Unless he has changed his mind very recently since speaking earlier today.

  • nuid

    They didn’t kill the families of the Iranian scientists. I’d say the wife and grandmother were killed because they were witnesses …
    But who knows, maybe the whole thing was revenge.
    Does anyone know if, under Iraqi law, daughters can inherit? Because if they can, there’d be little point in leaving them alive in the event of a feud over inheritance.

  • Vague Hague

    Does anyone know if this Jack Saltman chap is the neighbour who allowed the spooks to spy on the family from his home and is he also the source of the inheritance dispute story?

  • Mary

    Vague Hague Are you connecting with this link to a Jack Saltman, writer, producer, director? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1306421/

    If so, I see his work for ITV included
    Editor (1 title)
    1972-1991 This Week (TV series)

    – Guns of Baghdad (1991)
    – Gulf 5 (1991)
    – Dover Air Base, Delaware – Where the Dead Come Home (1991)
    – Rain of Terror (1991)
    – At War in the Gulf (1991)
    See all 59 episodes »

    I still think it’s odd that on the electoral roll since 2002 there has been a succession of different people at his address. My link 8.25 am.

  • nuid

    “Why? especially if that was true, I’d be terrified of being “suicided” as a convenient “patsy”.”

    I don’t think Mossad bothers with patsies. Too much trouble.

  • Mary

    BBC Breaking News
    FRANCE SHOOTINGS:Cyclist who discovered crime scene told police he saw a four-wheel-drive car driving away

    Any chance he got le numero? 😉

    and

    FRANCE SHOOTINGS:British cyclist who came across crime scene did not hear shots fired – prosecutor

    There is a live press conference from the prosecutor.

  • rwendland

    Paris Match reports that the french cyclist killed was a metallurgist in the nuclear industry. But lots of coincidences is not proof of anything.

    Google translate: “Sylvain Mollier … Employed for twenty years in the field of metallurgy – the company is a subsidiary of Cezus Areva manufactures zirconium alloys for nuclear power plants … [on] paternity leave … Avid cyclist … had the habit of tackling the climbs of the region”

    http://www.parismatch.com/Actu-Match/Societe/Actu/Sylvain-Mollier-la-mort-au-tournant-426743/

  • Villager

    Hi John G,
    I think you mean Bahai.
    David Kelly’s (R.I.P.) killer…wasn’t Blair? Bloody instigator, anyway.

  • Vague Hague

    Mary

    Yes. That seems to be him. His address is given in the US court testimony I posted above.

  • Mary

    Some new faces at the FCO including Warsi’s.

    Rt Hon William Hague MP Secretary of State for Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs with overall responsibility for the work of the FCO.

    Baroness Warsi was appointed Senior Minister of State at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office on 4 September 2012.

    Rt Hon David Lidington MP Minister of State responsible for European issues and NATO.

    Rt Hon Hugo Swire MP was appointed Minister of State at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office on 4 September 2012.

    Lord Green of Hurstpierpoint is Minister of State for Trade and Investment. Responsible for cross-Government strategy for trade and inward investment.

    Alistair Burt MP was appointed Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office on 14 May 2010.

    Mark Simmonds MP was appointed Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office on 5 September 2012.

  • Vague Hague

    So anyway.

    Were it the case that Mr Saltman is the sole source of the inheritance dispute then that may well be very significant.

    Were he also the chap who allowed his home to be used by the spookies to spy on the family that would certainly be quite interesting too.

    Mr Saltman was quite a senior journalist, indeed a producer and director at a time when journalism was a much more serious business than it is today, and will have been involved in all manner of stone upturning.

    I’d love to know exactly when he became the family’s neighbour.

  • nuid

    Prosecutor at live press conference (on Sky News now) says he has no knowledge of ‘inheritance dispute’. Says another police source said there was a “dispute over money”. But he knows nothing of inheritance issues.

    Brother rushed to police station (in UK) after he heard on TV his brother was dead in France. Was looking for information.

  • Jives

    Vague Hague,

    “I’d love to know exactly when he became the family’s neighbour.”

    When he was ordered to?

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