Buggering the Valet

by craig on May 24, 2014 1:17 pm in Uncategorized

The row over Prince Charles in Canada reminded me of the role of the Royal Family in personifying those timeless traditions which comprise the spine of British culture.  One of these great Royal traditions, which has continued right down to the present generations, is buggering the valet.

31 May should be a national holiday in celebration of this great tradition. We should call it Bugger the Valet day.  On 31 May 1810 Ernest Duke of Cumberland, fifth son of George III, was buggering his valet Neale.   While Cumberland was fully engaged, another servant named Sellis impertinently entered the room.  Naturally the Duke, having ordered Sellis to wait and be spoken to, took out his sword and ran Sellis through seven times. Sellis remained impertinent, and even after being stabbed the first time, had the temerity to grab a candlestick and hit the Duke hard on the face, inflicting a disfiguring wound.  This of course is described in official histories (and I see on Wikipedia) as having been received in the Napoleonic Wars.

Over the years, seven journalists were imprisoned for publishing an account of Sellis’ death.  The Duke failed to pay Neale the money he had promised him to lie that Sellis had attacked the Duke, and subsequently Neale talked rather a lot.  The first journalist imprisoned, Henry White, died of disease contracted in prison. Henry White deserves to be remembered.

Cumberland was to marry a woman very widely believed across the German speaking world to be herself a murderess, Princess Frederica of Mecklenburg Strelitz, whose two earlier husbands had died, the second particularly unexpectedly and conveniently.

During the reign of King William IV, Cumberland was second in line to the throne after Victoria.  Victoria’s widowed mother, the Duchess of Kent, was shagging her Private Secretary, Sir John Conroy.  Actually every summer in Victoria’s teens they did their shagging in Townley House, which I can see now from my study window.

Ten months of the year they lived in Kensington Palace, and Conroy put Victoria into seclusion.  Conroy was hated – he was far too middle class to be shagging a Duchess.  There was a successful film by that awful far right “Lord” Julian Fellowes a few years ago called The Young Victoria.  Conroy was portrayed as a caricature villain, and conventional historians have accepted the monarchist line that his seclusion of Victoria was to maximize his own influence of control.

What Conroy himself said, and is almost never published, was that he was keeping Victoria under very close guard because he was terrified she would be poisoned or otherwise murdered by the heir to the throne, her uncle Cumberland, and his wife. Where this is ever mentioned by historians, it is to ridicule it as a crazy pretext.

In fact Cumberland was a murderer,  and Frederica very probably was too.  Conroy was absolutely right to protect Victoria from Cumberland.  What the establishment would not admit then or now was that there was a very real reason for Conroy to apprehend this danger.   Ernest Duke of Cumberland had killed Sellis.  His wife Frederica was reputed throughout Europe to have poisoned her second husband in order to marry Ernest and gain the possibility of becoming Queen of England.  Only Victoria stood between them and the throne, in an age of high mortality.

When William IV died, Victoria became Queen but as a female could not inherit the other Kingdom of Hanover.  Cumberland therefore became King Ernest of Hanover.  He abolished parliament and persecuted those regarded as liberal, including the Brothers Grimm who he dismissed from their University posts.

Ahh, our beloved Royal family! Remember – 31 May is Bugger the Valet Day.

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  1. Your writing can be very witty at times, not always intentionally I suspect, but this really made me smile.

    I doubt though it is just third sons of monarchs doing the shirt-lifting of junior staff. Grapevine says Ted Heath and a whole host of others were into buggery – mostly people with heaps of money.

  2. Didn’t the said HRH at Highgrove/Clarence House have someone to squeeze his toothpaste out?

    We never heard any more about the identity of a royal in a video.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Royal_blackmail_plot

    So funny. When googling ‘royal in video homosexual activity’ brought up three pages of links to Alan Turing posthumously honoured by Her Maj. Much good will that do him. Q Was the half eaten apple found by his bedside laced with cyanide. He left no note AFAIK.

    http://www.turing.org.uk/book/

  3. Ha ha. And for the rest of the year, of course, the whole country has to bend over.

  4. ahhhh, Jersey such a great island, full of loyal subjects, tax evaders and childrens homes.

  5. And i always thought that Ernest, Duke Of Cumberland, was George III’s fifth son.

  6. Many reports have claimed that Diana, Princess of Wales was killed in 1997 due to her love affair with a Muslim, Dodi Fayed, son of Egptian billionaire Mohamed Abdel Moneim Al Fayed. However, not many people know that Queen Victoria too fell in love with her Muslim servant Abdul Karim from British India.

    British Channel 4′s documentary, titled ‘Queen Victoria’s last love’ shed light on one of many secrets about England’s longest reigning monarch. The documentary features interviews with relatives of both Queen Victoria’s household and Abdul Karim, as well as extracts from Queen Victoria’s diaries and journals.

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/05/03/queen-victorias-last-love-a-young-muslim/

  7. “Ahh, our beloved Royal family! Remember – 31 May is Bugger the Valet Day.”

    I think this is beneath you, Mr Murray.

  8. I think you are presenting as fact a version of the story that is highly contentious and debatable to say the least.

    The theory of the Duke and Neale having sex is only one of many lurid theories bandied about at the time, mostly by journalists worse than the worst tabloid journalists today.

    I was thinking about getting your book about Alexander Burns when it comes out, but this post really makes me wonder about the quality of your historical research.

  9. “I always thought that Ernest, Duke Of Cumberland, was George III’s fifth son. ”

    For once Trowbridge you are absolutely correct. As Mark D has said I doubt much else of Craig’s piece is any more accurate either. Every other account I can find states that Sellis was found dead in his room with his throat cut and anybody who thinks the Kensington System wasn’t designed to break Victoria’s will so her mother and Conroy could control her after she became Queen doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously.

  10. And what is the basis, Kempe, for third sons being practicers of buggery?

    As I see it, William IV, and the Dukes of Connaught and Gloucester were among the best of the modern Royals, but I guess I am wrong about that.

  11. doug scorgie

    24 May, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    This is certainly not what Gove would like in his new History curriculum

  12. There was a libel trial over this allegation:

    “That Josiah Phillips, now or late of Westminster aforesaid,
    in the county aforesaid, printer, being a malicious and evil-
    disposed person, and deceitfully, wickedly, and maliciously
    contriving and intending to scandalize and vilify his said Royal
    Highness the said Duke of Cumberland, and to impute to his
    said Royal Highness the said Duke of Cumberland the com-
    mission of, or the intention or design of committing, the de-
    testable and abominable crime of sodomy, or $ome other un-
    natural and indecent offence or practice with the said Corne-
    lius M’Neall, and also to impute that he his said Royal High-
    ness had been accessory or privy to the commission of the
    crime of murdering the said Joseph Sellis, and to deprive his
    said Royal Highness of his good name, fame, credit, and re-
    putation, and to bring his said Royal Highness into great
    contempt, scandal, infamy, and disgrace, did, on the 29th day
    of March, in the second year of the reign of our sovereign lord
    William the Fourth, and in the year of our Lord 1832, with
    force and arms at Westminster aforesaid, in the county of Mid«
    dlesex aforesaid, wickedly and maliciously print and publish,
    and cause and procure to be printed and published, in a certain
    book called ” The authentic Records of the Court of England
    for the last seventy Years,^ a certain false, scandalous, mali-
    cious and defamatory libel of and concerning his said Royal
    Highness the said Duke of Cumberland, and of and concerning
    the said attempt to assassinate the said Duke, and the death of
    the said Joseph Sellis, and the said inquisition so taken as
    aforesaid ; to the tenor and effect following ; that is to say :
    [here follows the libel before given] to the great damage,
    acandal, disgrace, and infamy of his said Royal Highness the said
    Duke of Cumberland, to the evil and pernicious example of all
    others in like case offending, and against the peace of our said
    Lord the King, his crown and dignity.”

    https://archive.org/details/trialjosiahphil00augugoog

    but we know that even in our own time, similar stories have emerged of backstairs activity in the royal household.

    The Duke was certainly attacked during the incident. He tells us this himself, and Sellis was found dead in his room.

    So, absent a phantom attacker, it does look likely there was some fight between the Duke and this valet.

  13. And ex-Chancellor Brougham tried to break the control of Conroy, the Duchess, and other courtiers, especially Melbourne, after William’s demise by having that private audience with Victoria soon after she became Queen – what cemented his war with the Whigs,

  14. I love Mark D and Kempe, who think that the only history is true is that which was sanctified by the Whig Tradition of history writing. Kempe was particularly outraged to be told that the Jacobites were not Catholic, and were overwhelmingly Scottish Nationalist, and that Charles Edward Stuart was not a believer in the Divine Right of Kings or autocracy. Having not read anything except what he was taught at O-Grade and the witterings of Antona Fraser and Victoria Glendenning.

    Aaah, the Whig tradition of history! Mark D will definitely not buy my book when I tell him it asserts that Macaulay was not only the uncle but at the same time the father of G M Trevelyan.

  15. Trowbridge

    You are quite right, fifth son.

  16. It’s time for us to get our own back on these buggers, fifth sons or third.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSIUf2hD6Io&feature=kp

    Bugger the bankers and politicians, bugger the bureaucrats too, bugger the buggers who make up the rules, and if you’re one of them.

  17. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 May, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    “One of these great Royal traditions, which has continued right down to the present generations, is buggering the valet.”
    _____________________

    “The present generations” is admirably vague.

    I should like to hear from Craig which of the British Royals currently alive has buggered, or is buggering, his valet(s).

  18. Russia Today, that awful overseas station that defends the nasty Putin has done a nice little take on the Royal family NAZI connections. If anybody missed it it’s almost as good as ‘Bugger the Bankers’.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyuDwprO2M

  19. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) ! 24 May, 2014 – 3:52 pm

    re: buggering valets today.

    I think the Queen did a pretty good job in buggering Paul Burrell after he disclosed the Diana letter about Charles preparing for her to die in a car-crash! :)

  20. John Goss,

    Yes I saw it (the Russian article) reported today and it inspired me to dash off this piece.

    I did it top of the head so I apologise for the “third son” error – which of course was logically impossible, as aside from George IV and William IV, there had to be the Duke of Kent for there to be Victoria. I had though forgotten Frederick completely.

    I am generally interested by those who wish to deny the story. Henry White published in 1813, when all anti-monarchist thought was very severely repressed in the “anti-Jacobin” period and Liverpool was PM. White knew he was doing something terribly dangerous and was very brave – to compare him to a tabloid journalist is disingenuous. White refused to recant and insisted he had an eye witness source in Neill. Although very horrid, the 18 month jail sentence (and large fine) was in the circumstances of the time actually remarkably light. The story could not of course be admitted to be true, but it is not unreasonable to conjecture that if the magistrates genuinely thought it was untrue the sentence would have been a very great deal harsher.

    It is not, as far as I am aware, in dispute that Cumberland killed Sellis. Sellis was found dead in Cumberland’s rooms. Cumberland claimed self-defence, and that his valet attacked him. I find that less probable than White’s story.

  21. doug scorgie

    24 May, 2014 - 4:25 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 May, 2014 – 3:52 pm

    “I should like to hear from Craig which of the British Royals currently alive has buggered, or is buggering, his valet(s).”

    Habbabkuk, for your information:

    George Anthony Smith (13 September 1960 – 24 August 2005) was a former footman and valet in the Royal Household of Prince Charles.
    Smith alleged:

    1. that he was raped by Michael Fawcett, a favoured servant of the Prince Charles; and

    2. that Fawcett was himself in a homosexual relationship with the Prince of Wales, who protected him.

    “The allegations made international headlines in November 2003 and were the subject of a legal injunction in the United Kingdom.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Smith_(royal_servant)

  22. Craig, we all make these little errors, we’re so busy, but my period is the latter half of the eighteenth century, and Cumberland may not have been the fifth son. Not many people know that the father of Cumberland got married in a secret ceremony to the fair Quaker, Hannah Lightfoot. This was before the Royal Marriages Act of 1772 making his marriage to Georgina bigamous. In a way the marriage was helpful to Quakers who in the early part of the 18th century were treated abominably by the Church. There was a daughter who married a man called Dalton but this marriage does not exist in any records that I can find. Subsequently there were other children ‘wrong side of the blanket’ and the poet Peter Pindar (John Wolcot) made a lot of capital out of the royal mishaps. Apparently all the royal children and bastards played together.

    I have a rather tatty third edition of Wolcot’s ‘The Regent and the King’ which I bought because it contains a subscribers’ list of members of Tamworth Book Club. Tamworth was very enlightened in those days. As to Daltons there have been several claims as to real heirs to the throne. xThere was somebody strutting round Sheffield in the early nineteenth century called Dalton, who according to one book on this secret marriage, was the spitting image of the king, allegedly. My family on mum’s side were Daltons from Sheffield.

  23. Having looked at Wikipedia too, I saw this DoC was the fifth son but I thought we were being referred to another third son of a reigning monarch!

    ~~

    That ghastly Trevelyan the bane of ‘O’ level history students like myself in the 50s. I hope the copies have all been trashed by now. He wrote several ‘histories’. Almost incontinent with the number of them. He played a part in our evil EmPyre too.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._M._Trevelyan#Trevelyan.27s_works

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/trevelyan_charles.shtml

    I prefer The Blood Never Dried by John Newsinger. I don’t suppose Gove is handing that out to the kids.
    http://www.amazon.com/The-Blood-Never-Dried-Peoples/dp/1905192126

  24. Georgina = Charlotte of course

  25. Could someone tell Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells about this piece of Craig’s so that they can write in here too.

  26. Mary

    There were two – George Macaulay Trevelyan and George Otto Trevelyan, both historians. We had to read both at school. Father and son. I think GM came first. C E Trevelyan was GM (or GO’s) father. Only he wasn’t. C E Trevelyan, a friend of Alexander Burnes, married Macaulay’s sister. Macaulay was shagging his sister actually both his own sisters, till one died- which I think is pretty well accepted by historians now. Perhaps even by Mark D. and Kempe.

  27. Macaulay continued to live with Charles and his sister. Charles had four Indian concubines. Must have been a fun house.

  28. “It is not, as far as I am aware, in dispute that Cumberland killed Sellis. Sellis was found dead in Cumberland’s rooms. Cumberland claimed self-defence, and that his valet attacked him.”

    Surely the official account is that Sellis committed suicide, having attacked the duke. That was the determination at inquest.

    Sellis is supposed to have attacked the duke in his bed, ran back to his room and committed suicide.

    The duke’s account is that he was asleep when attacked and had no idea who’d attacked him until Sellis was subsequently found dead in his own room and his slippers were found at the foot of the duke’s bed.

    Of course no one at the time believed that official account, and experts who examined Sellis’ body deemed it unlikely that he could have committed suicide given the fact that his head had almost been severed from the body and a number of other inconsistencies.

    Backstairs Billy:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-496390/Will-Backstairs-Billy-Queen-Mothers-eccentric-retainer-spill-royal-secrets-grave.html

  29. I hadn’t heard of that Doug. But I believe Smith was probably telling the truth. If he was lying he would most likely have lied when he told his brother he walked in on a royal and a male member of staff. It would have been much more convincing if he had told his brother he caught them in flagrante delicto.

    “George has told me there was no physical activity but you didn’t have to be a brain surgeon to work out what had been going on.”

  30. Don’t like Whig history all that much, but the Tory version which concentrates on Parliament, especially the House of Commons, and the bureaucracy, isn’t much better.

    My biographies of Brougham and Dicey were attempts to refute both models on a individual basis.

  31. The story is much bigger than that, and involves Diana, her butler, tapes, which then became the subject of that trial of Burrell which was stopped when the queen remembered that conversation…

    He died quite young, didn’t he, that other butler.

  32. Herbie

    Thanks for that detail. Yes, that account by the Duke is even less believable – in fact, given the Duke was injured quite badly, not believable at all.

  33. As for searching for George III’s marriage to Hannah Lightfoot Mary Pendered’s book is one of the best.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Quaker-Hannah-Lightfoot-Relations-George/dp/B00085NNB0

    http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_fair_Quaker.html?id=j35mAAAAMAAJ

  34. Putin: Charles’s ‘Nazi’ remarks wrong
    President Putin condemns Prince Charles’s reported remarks comparing his actions to those of the Nazis, saying his words were “not what monarchs do”.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27558825

    RT got back at the royals and so did Tony Gosling.

    Putin’s TV station sneers at UK royal family’s Nazi links
    WATCH: Russia Today highlights embarrassing ties in deepening row over Prince Charles’s comparison of Russian president to Hitler
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/putins-tv-station-sneers-at-uk-royal-familys-nazi-links/

    Prince Charles strikes another blow for the British republic
    http://rt.com/op-edge/161020-prince-charles-strikes-blow/

  35. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 May, 2014 - 5:11 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    I’m a little surprised by you, Doug.

    In answer to my question to Craig (thanks for “answering ” on his behalf, by the way):

    “I should like to hear from Craig which of the British Royals currently alive has buggered, or is buggering, his valet(s).”

    you supplied the following two bits of information:

    1/. George Smith alleged that he was raped by Michael Fawcett, a favoured servant of the Prince Charles; and

    2. Michael Fawcett was himself in a homosexual relationship with the Prince of Wales.

    Now, as you’ll be aware, Michael Fawcett isn’t a member of the Royal family.

    Therefore, you haven’t answered my question, Doug, have you.

    Never mind, perhaps Craig will.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    In the meantime, could I remind you that you owe me a link or links :

    ““Vatican defends Palestinian sovereignty ahead of papal visit”

    Yes Mary but that means the Vatican recognising Israel as a Jewish state run by Jews for the benefit of Jews; ”
    __________________

    Doug, are you putting that idea forward as an opinion of yours of as a fact?

    If the latter, could you please supply a link or links.”

  36. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 May, 2014 - 5:15 pm

    Herbie

    “He died quite young, didn’t he, that other butler.”
    ______________________

    Yes, 45 is quite young these days, isn’t it.

    Do you think that the death might not have been entirely natural and that foul play might have been involved, Herbie?

  37. The only thing I get outraged about is people spreading falsehoods, whether it be conspiracy theories or revisionist history. New versions crop up all the time, they sell books but don’t necessarily advance our understanding. Just because it is new doesn’t make it any more true than the accepted version, unless you really want to believe that the Chinese “discovered America in 1421, that Stonehenge was a neolithic A&E or that the loss of the Titanic was an insurance job.

    We’ve also yet to see any evidence.

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RDvV_zJyL5UC&pg=PT449&lpg=PT449&dq=jacobites+divine+right&source=bl&ots=QBRnEdO8CC&sig=_Y7n2RoIlofqQjicxGCq8QyyPvw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IMSAU-GwCNOA7QbtzIGgCg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=jacobites%20divine%20right&f=false

  38. Hi Craig Muray

    where can we read true history in a book?

    can you tell me what caused the war on 1812 in the american continent?

  39. doug scorgie

    24 May, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 May, 2014 – 5:11 pm

    “Now, as you’ll be aware, Michael Fawcett isn’t a member of the Royal family.”

    No but Prince Charles is.

    “Michael Fawcett was himself [allegedly] in a homosexual relationship with the Prince of Wales.”

    Read the posts properly next time Habbabkuk.

  40. I think I need to read this to get the Trevelyans straight.

    A Very British Family: The Trevelyans and Their World

    Laura Trevelyan

    The Trevelyans are unique in British social and political history: a family which for several generations dedicated themselves to the service and chronicling of their country. From their inauspicious beginnings in a small dwelling in Cornwall to the present day, some Trevelyans have been famous and distinguished, others less so, but for a hundred years from the mid-nineteenth to the mid-twentieth century family members from Lord Macaulay to G.M. Trevelyan contributed to both the writing and the making of history. This book is primarily the tale of the five men who flourished during this period – Charles Edward, George Otto, Charles Philips, George Macaulay and Humphry Trevelyan – and the clever and formidable women they married. Including many vivid portraits of the most influential members of this remarkable family, The Trevelyans casts light on the period of enormous social and cultural change in which they lived and examines why they chose not to simply exploit their position as landed gentry but instead to take their place at the centre of scholarship and politics.

    ~~~

    On the other hand perhaps I don’t having seen the name of the author. She is the BBC UN correspondent and is part of the Trevelyan family.

  41. Seems that we should be glad that the Duke of Cumberland was constantly engaging in sexual excesses.

    His son, who became George V of Hanover, was a serious suitor for Victoria’s hand until he suddenly became blind at 14. Did not stop him from becoming king there, though.

    Wonder if George was infected with syphilis as a fetus or a child by his father?

  42. What is the evidence for this story? How could one prove either the guilt or the innocence of the Ernest Cumberland?

  43. “where can we read true history in a book?”

    That’s a very good question. One of the problems is that the Royal Family are like the rest of us, except rich and powerful. It used to be that their version of events was the only one that made it into the news, and nothing seems to have changed. They are not questioned because they are rich and powerful. Their version is the royal history.

    The establishment’s version on non-Royal history is also the one presented by big money, power and those win the wars. Historians are diggers and are not guilty. They get some facts. But to get the full facts is impossible and historians have to bite their tongues when history presented as fact is clearly questionable, as in the Wikipedia version of Hannah Lightfoot’s marriage to George III. Most high society people knew about it at the time, but chose not to discredit the throne. In fact, George III’s marriage to Hannah Lightfoot would mean that the whole Royal line down to baby George was a lie.

    But Doug Scorgie posted a story that cannot be published in the UK. Likewise the film “Unlawful Killing” which takes its name from the actual coroner’s verdict into the deaths of Diana, Princess of Wales and Dodi Fayed. The film, which I have seen, makes the case that although the verdict was unlawful killing the media presented it as though they were chased to their deaths by the paparazzi, which is nonsense.

    Where do you find a true history? If you find one let me know.

  44. doug scorgie

    24 May, 2014 - 5:57 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 May, 2014 – 5:11 pm

    Yes Mary but that means the Vatican recognising Israel as a Jewish state run by Jews for the benefit of Jews…

    “Doug, are you putting that idea forward as an opinion of yours of as a fact?”

    Just plain logic Habbabkuk

    The Vatican Secretary of State (Pietro Parolin I believe) is quoted as saying:
    “On the one hand, Israel’s right to exist in peace and security within internationally recognised boundaries and the Palestinian people’s right to have a homeland, sovereign and independent, the right to move around freely, the right to live in dignity,”

    So it is clear that the Vatican is pushing the two-state solution one for the Palestinians in which the UN will insist be a democracy for all its people and one for the Jews which the UN will insist will be a democracy for all its people but which the Zionists will ignore and demand to be recognised as a Jewish (only) state.

    But that is only my view on the subject.

  45. I’m sure ‘Buggering the Valet’ or steward must be a Naval tradition as well. As a young recruit I was told to look carefully on the lower deck ‘for the golden rivet’ -apparently every warship had one…

    Every Naval ship had a ‘Sods Opera’ where the youngest ratings , with thoroughly shaved legs, would transform into beautiful* women dancing in grass skirts.

    Any video reference of these ‘opera’s’ are private or lost to the archives maybe because women women were officially allowed to go to sea onboard Royal Navy vessels since 1993.

    Interestingly in Nelson’s day Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood, discovered that women had been brought onboard his flagship, he ordered the women ashore because of ‘…the mischief they never fail to create wherever they are’. He also wrote that ‘I never knew a woman brought to sea in a ship that some mischief did not befall the vessel’.

    The Earl Saint Vincent, another friend of Nelson’s, was also against women coming to sea, largely due to their washing their clothes in the ship’s fresh water.

    *esp. after nine months at sea.

  46. doug scorgie

    24 May, 2014 - 6:24 pm

    George Smith’s claim of a sexual relationship between the Prince of Wales and Fawcett was repeated in a legal statement issued by him to the Mail on Sunday newspaper. In response, Michael Fawcett took a high court injunction to prevent their disclosure. The injunction was granted .

    The story still cannot be published in the UK.

    The cause of Smith’s death is unknown.

    http://listverse.com/2011/08/02/10-censored-news-topics-and-events/

  47. doug scorgie

    24 May, 2014 - 6:32 pm

    Kempe
    24 May, 2014 – 5:19 pm

    “The only thing I get outraged about is people spreading falsehoods…”

    LOL!!!

  48. “The only thing I get outraged about is people spreading falsehoods, whether it be conspiracy theories or revisionist history.”

    In that case when new facts are found history should not be revised?

    Can you understand Kempe why Doug Scorgie made fun of you? :)

  49. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 May, 2014 - 7:11 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    Your “plain logic” has broke down because you skip subject half way through your comment.

    “The Vatican Secretary of State (Pietro Parolin I believe) is quoted as saying:
    “On the one hand, Israel’s right to exist in peace and security within internationally recognised boundaries and the Palestinian people’s right to have a homeland, sovereign and independent, the right to move around freely, the right to live in dignity,”

    So it is clear that the Vatican is pushing the two-state solution”

    _________________

    Yes, with you so far. The Vatican favours a two-state solution. So far so good.

    But then your comment goes on to talk about the United Nations (and the “Zionists”) and not the Vatican. I quote :

    “…two-state solution one for the Palestinians in which the UN will insist be a democracy for all its people and one for the Jews which the UN will insist will be a democracy for all its people but which the Zionists will ignore and demand to be recognised as a Jewish (only) state.”

    This sort of conflation and artful changes of emphasis is dishonhest and therefore unconvincing, Doug.

    *******************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 May, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    Mr Scorgie,

    When you’re considering your response to my comment, bear in mind what you said in the comment which attracte”d my attention; that was :

    “Yes Mary but that means the Vatican recognising Israel as a Jewish state run by Jews for the benefit of Jews…”

    Yoy have failed to demonstrate that so far, Doug.

  51. This is a photograph of the gravestone of Charlotte Augusta Catherin Dalton, the granddaughter of George III from his marriage to Hannah Lightfoot.

    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=77266266

    Sir Joshua Reynolds allegedly painted Hannah Lightfoot three times. Two of them have survived. This is one the other can be found on Wikipedia, which at least gets that right.

    http://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/Portrait-of-a-lady–traditionally-identi/6D439B993096F577

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 May, 2014 - 7:38 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““Now, as you’ll be aware, Michael Fawcett isn’t a member of the Royal family.”

    No but Prince Charles is.

    “Michael Fawcett was himself [allegedly] in a homosexual relationship with the Prince of Wales.””
    ______________________

    You’re not on form today are you, Doug. Let me help you.

    Prince Charles is a Royal.
    George Smith was a valet.
    Michael Fawcett is neither a Royal nor a valet.

    All clear so far, Doug? Then we’ll continue.

    Michael Fawcett (not a valet, nor a Royal)allegedly raped George Smith (a valet).

    You cite an alleged homosexual relationship between Michael Fawcett (neither a Royal nor a valet) and Prince Charles ( a Royal).

    The question I put to Craig was :

    “I should like to hear from Craig which of the British ROYALs currently alive has buggered, or is buggering, his VALET(s).”.

    So you haven’t really answered it, have you Doug.

    Perhaps you should leave it to Craig after all, Doug. :)

  53. The historical controversy that is being fleshed out in the comments above is totally irrelevant; we all know that there are a great many interesting and risqué historical mysteries which no doubt could stimulate a similar intelligent debate. The simple purpose of today’s slimy post is to cast a slur on our contemporary Royals.

    The post from Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) at 3:52 pm asks Mr Murray to firm up his vague allegations, but the latter has ducked this volley and the subsequent reference to Wikipedia by another poster does not really hit the right spot – today’s article is in bad taste.

  54. John Goss 24 May, 2014 – 3:55 pm

    “Russia Today, that awful overseas station that defends the nasty Putin has done a nice little take on the Royal family NAZI connections.”

    It’s half time!
    I once saw for myself evidence of our Royal family’s nazi connections. I’ve mentioned it before on this blog here:
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/03/fascist-switzerland-strikes-back/#comment-397106

    “I once attended a craft fair in the grounds of Glamis Castle, the childhood home of the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret. Someone who worked there showed me something interesting.
    The fences on the estate include cast iron ratchet devices for tensioning the wire. Every wire had one wherever there was an extra strong post, a strainer as it’s called, so there were hundreds of them. And every one of these devices had a swastika on it. Perhaps the royals used their family connections to acquire some left over German military equipment.
    I took a photo and sent a copy to Private Eye, but they didn’t use it or even reply. I would imagine the swastikas are still there if anybody wants to create a bit of mischief.
    I’ve still got the original photo somewhere.”

  55. ” In that case when new facts are found history should not be revised? ”

    If new facts come to light yes, but we haven’t been presented with any yet. Some fanciful story printed in the 18th century equivalent of the Daily Sport by itself doesn’t represent a fact. Perhaps in 200 years time Craig Murray VIII will be claiming that a WW2 bomber really was found on the moon but that those nasty Whig Historians hushed it up.

  56. Canadian Free Press Dianas secret tapes
    The cameraman who filmed these revelations admits that he cannot “quote chapter and verse in fine detail”, but he is adamant that on the videos Diana claims:

    A member of Charles’ staff told her about sexual misconduct within the Royal Household staff — and that Charles “tolerated it”.

    She describes a Royal staff party that was like “something out of Caligula”.
    http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/thomas100406.htm

    The first diary (tape) was recorded on 7th March 2007 6 months later on the 31 st August 2007 she was dead

  57. I bent over to put some luggage in the back of a chauffeur car, which led one married passenger handing me the stuff to the conclusion that the appropriate action for him to take was to put his hand in the obvious place.

    Have I got to pay back the tip for grassing on the coot?

  58. Laysa ba’ad kufri thanb/ none of their crimes is greater than their crime of disbelief.

  59. Craig,
    I enter the debate to suggest this for discussion:-
    A. We do not have in philosophical and/or moral issues any absolutes.
    B. However, we can on a “utilitarian basis” determine the greatest good for the greatest numbers.
    C. I then move forward as regards the issue of buggery.
    I was born in Jamaica in 1954. I attended school in England from sixth form onwards through to University and post-graduate studies and resided fully 10 years there. I thus, have a smattering of knowledge of the English and some good friends I made there. More importantly, England has more than a smattering of us here in the Caribbean, having benefited from us for over 300 years of exploitation ( but that is not the topic of discussion today). No – you “buggers” – we shall now reflect on buggery. Please read these two articles below:-
    http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20140521/lead/lead1.html
    http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20140523/cleisure/cleisure3.html
    The students at the University of the West Indies are soon going to protest the sacking of a University Professor, for what at its simplest I understand to be the following as his scientific opinion :–
    If one engages in buggery, then if there is an infected person being buggered, there is a greater probability that the participants in the buggery will be infected.
    For my part, I take the following position:-
    i) Individuals are free to do what they want behind closed doors.
    ii) But, as the former Jamaican Prime Minister said in his support of retention of the buggery law ( i.e. a statute passed during the era of British colonialism in the 1800s) – it is better to have a moral standard set and have the law remain on the books.
    iii) The old buggery law for maybe 60 years or more has ( truth be told) not seen any convictions in just about all of the English speaking Caribbean, but it remains on the statute books in Jamaica and other English speaking Caribbean countries.
    So – what do we do?
    I think that buggery is physically, by its very nature, an unhealthy practice. Unlike vaginal sex ( where a vagina may sometimes be infected) the bugger is always indulging ( literally) in shit.
    Let the debate begin.
    CB

  60. … And I thought “squeezing the toothpaste” was a colloquialism worthy of Viz magazine.

    Someone suggested ill George was a baster job. Who knows. Like ………

  61. TRUTH OR FICTION?

    George Anthony Smith

    Article-1208279-0623Aea1000005Dc-570 468X582

    George Anthony Smith was a former footman and valet in the Royal Household of Prince Charles. In 1995, Smith made some startling accusations against the Prince of Wales and a man named Michael Fawcett. He alleged that he had been raped by Michael Fawcett, who was one of Prince Charles closest friends. Besides accusing Fawcett of rape, George Smith said that Michael Fawcett was in a homosexual relationship with the Prince of Wales, who protected him. The shocking news made some headlines in November 2003, and was the subject of a legal injunction in the United Kingdom to stop exposure.

    George Smith’s claim of a sexual relationship between the Prince of Wales and Fawcett was repeated in a legal statement issued by him to the Mail on Sunday newspaper. In response, Michael Fawcett took a High Court injunction to prevent their disclosure. The injunction was granted. The Prince’s Private Secretary issued a statement denying the allegations and questioning the trustworthiness of the unnamed Smith as a source.

    The story still cannot be published in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, but it has been written about extensively in the Republic of Ireland and Italy. Geoffrey Wheatcroft, a British media commentator, called Smith “probably the most unreliable source for any story on anything, anywhere in the United Kingdom.” George Smith claims to have only witnessed a member of the Royal Family and his aide “tucked up under the sheets, lying next to each other.”

    In an interesting twist, George Smith discussed the matter with Diana, Princess of Wales. He told her that he had been raped. He also told Diana that he witnessed the Princess’s estranged husband, the Prince of Wales, lying in bed with his aide, Michael Fawcett. Diana is said to have taped the interview. The whereabouts of the tape became a matter of considerable controversy following Diana’s death, in August 1997. On August 24, 2005, George Anthony Smith died in Newport, Wales of an unknown illness. He was only 44-years-old.

    Climatic Research Unit Email Controversy

    Sea Level Rising

    The Climatic Research Unit (CRU) is one of the leading institutions concerned with the study of climate change. In November 2009, hackers gained access to a server used by the CRU and stole a large amount of data, anonymously posting online more than 1,000 emails and more than 2,000 other documents. The event occurred two weeks before the Copenhagen Summit on climate change. Following the leak, global warming skeptics began to highlight sections of the information that showed how scientists have manipulated statistics on climate change and suppressed their critics. The accusations have been denied by the CRU. CRU’s researchers stated that the emails were taken out of context and merely reflect an honest exchange of ideas.

    According to Newsweek, climate skeptics believe that the documents show that global warming is a scientific conspiracy. In one email exchange, a scientist writes of using a statistical “trick” to illustrate historical trends in global warming. The Guardian’s analysis of the emails found that the hackers filtered the information using keywords, including Yamal, tree rings, and Phil Jones. The use of “tree rings” was an attempt to bring to notice the divergence problem. A large number of organizations released statements on the issue. The American Association for the Advancement of Science gave a quote, “There are multiple lines of scientific evidence that global climate change is caused by human activity. It is a growing threat to society.”

    Six committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct. However, the reports did criticize climate scientists for their disorganized methods, bunker mentality and lack of transparency. In several email exchanges, Kevin Trenberth, a climatologist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, and other scientists discussed gaps in understanding. “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming in 2009 and it is a travesty.” Overall, the incident was considered a public relations disaster for the scientific community. Historian Spencer R. Weart, of the American Institute of Physics, said the incident was unprecedented in the history of science, having “never before seen a set of people accuse an entire community of scientists of deliberate deception.”

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  62. It must be nice to get your toothpaste squeezed out every morning.

    Does Camilla know Chuck’s got a man for this?

  63. Looking at this they are all Mad.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGi41r9HnkI

  64. Glass

    “The simple purpose of today’s slimy post is to cast a slur on our contemporary Royals.”

    Well spotted! No slipping anything past you is there?

    A fascinating take on it here, which I had never come across before
    http://bloodandtreasure.typepad.com/blood_treasure/2014/05/no-man-is-a-hero-to-his-valet.html

  65. Kempe

    What do you mean, fanciful story? Sellis was murdered in Cumberland’s rooms. Cumberland was there at the time, and injured. Links from Herbie above and the one I have just posted give more of the background. It is not fanciful, it happened.

  66. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    25 May, 2014 - 12:41 am

    Interestingly, the Russian Civil War was fought was somewhat analogous to the Ukraine dividing lines. The Red versus White had many beefs, notwithstanding the White Army was behind the fascists and Allies.

    I think they both agreed the Royalist Tsar had to go.

  67. Well, if rich people can buy PR reps and MP’s, one must assume they can buy historians. It works a bit differently I guess, more like the propaganda model in journalism, as historians have a far better educated peer group, but the principle is the same. Someone’s career can progress by not rocking the boat, being unchallenging. Revisionism is accepted, up to a point, but not too far.

    I studied history for 2 years at Uni, though don’t think I showed particular flair for the subject. I do recall finding the subject a bit frustrating. Lots of reading to be done (not a bad thing), and a tendency to get bogged down in ‘granular’ level of details, without looking at the big picture. I now look back and wonder if there also should have been a unit on psychology, as part of the history degree. After all, some major historical figues were, to be blunt, lunatics. Indeed, it seems to be the case that if we read our history, the prevalence of narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths, and the outright insane, in positions of power and influence is really quite alarming. Over-respresented, you might say.

    I expect if we ever got a true history of the monarchy, and it became accepted in the mainstream, we’d have a republic. Full disclosure: I’m a republican, and see zero point in a monarchy. I also see zero point in replacing a monarchy with a president, thinking the presidential model just as establishment as the constitutional monarchy. However, I also think any referendum would fall heavily in favour of retaining the monarchy, so unless Prince Charles is caught on tape with a shady Mossad figure saying, ‘kill that minesweeping bitch, Paris is the place’, I fear we just have to accept the monarchy as part of life. Shame. The only argument I ever heard in their favour is that they are good for the tourist industry, which may well be true I suppose, but still not a clincher.

    I find it revealing that, after the 60’s happened, and with one of the best educated populace history has ever seen, the world is still run by its’ Kings and Queens. They are called oligarchs now, and have huge resources and power, and they are constrained, to a degree, by their parliaments, but Royals and Romans have often been constrained by their parliament, that’s not new either.

    I hope an independent Scotland has a referendum on the royals. I fear Salmond will bottle that one though. Mind, I still think the fix is already in, and a close race has only one outcome. I expect Craig will write about it, look forward to it, sort of.

  68. Alex Salmond is a Privy Councillor-which entails taking an oath to The Queen.

    How does that square with independence can anyone tell me?

    I’m not yanking chains i genuinely don’t understand the potentially split loyalty.

  69. Lord Haw-haw

    25 May, 2014 - 4:02 am

    Right, why would the ancient people of Scotland consent to be associated with the English, born and bred to kiss degenerate arse? Here’s a inbred pencil-neck that can’t take the match given seven attacks parried with nothing but a cumbersome bactile, and a whole country trained to bow and scrape to him. That’s why the Brits are doomed to be American’s butlers, Blair for Bush, Cameron for Obama and on down the ladder. Dismember Britain, it’s not even fit for buggery anymore.

  70. this post reveals ‘the firm’ for what we all suspected…

    feckin’ buggers . . .

  71. Resident Dissident

    25 May, 2014 - 7:58 am

    Really all that is being demonstrated is that power corrupts – I think Craig (and others) are being somewhat naïve in trying to push the line that this problem is somewhat unique to the British establishment – it isn’t. There are plenty of tales of its existence among the relatively new SNP establishment and the Putinistas should perhaps remember the role of the leaders’ mistress in lighting in Olympic flame.

  72. Dave Lawton That Mad Monarchs video of Heathcote Williams is as brilliant as all his others. I liked the King who thought he was made of glass!

    The first example is completely true. Maxwell published a transcript in the Daily Mirror of a phone conversation between P Charles and Camilla which an eavesdropper had recorded. Some of the content still turns your stomach considering that Diana was at home with his two children then aged 7 and 5 in 1989.

    Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles say goodnight
    http://everything2.com/title/Prince+Charles+and+Camilla+Parker+Bowles+say+goodnight

  73. Correction there. Maxwell died in 1991 and the transcript wasn’t published in the Mirror press until 1993.

  74. A Node I would definitely be interested to see the photographs of the royal wire ratchet devices with Swastika emblems.

  75. John Goss, A Node

    But are you sure they don’t pre-date the Nazis? The swastika is a very old symbol.

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 May, 2014 – 7:11 pm

    “This sort of conflation and artful changes of emphasis is dishonhest and therefore unconvincing, Doug.”

    This is not the first time you have been unable to join the dots Habbabkuk

    If you can afford it, I recommend:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logic-Dummies-Mark-Zegarelli/dp/0471799416/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1401014145&sr=1-1&keywords=logic+for+dummies

  77. Glass
    24 May, 2014 – 7:51 pm

    “…the subsequent reference to Wikipedia by another poster does not really hit the right spot…”

    What do you mean by the right spot Glass?

    Do you mean it doesn’t prove the story to be true?

    Well the story has been covered up Glass, the media has been gagged so there is little to go on.

    “…today’s article is in bad taste.”

    If it turned out to be proven as true (Craig’s article that is) would it still be in bad taste?

    If the article had been about Putin say, buggering one of his assistants would that be in bad taste?

    Perhaps you’ve had a Glass too many.

  78. Craig, I agree. It needs to known how old they are, and I know about it being an ancient sign, Hindu, I think.

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 May, 2014 – 7:38 pm

    “You cite an alleged homosexual relationship between Michael Fawcett (neither a Royal nor a valet) and Prince Charles ( a Royal).”

    “The question I put to Craig was :”
    “I should like to hear from Craig which of the British ROYALs currently alive has buggered, or is buggering, his VALET(s).”

    Pedantic bullshit I’m afraid dear Habbabkuk (pedantic = overly concerned with minute details)

  80. Don’t see this rigmarole about Prince Charles, the third son, George Anthony Smith, buggering valets, injunctions, murder, etc., going anywhere.

    Should we really be talking about Prince Edward, the Queen’s third son who was finally married in 1999, and became involved in the possible murder of Princess Di when Operation Paget was reinvestigating it, and it was told by the CIA that she learned of his buggering valets, and it became another reason for getting rid of not only her, but also most convenient and most troublesome Smith by poison?

    Lord Stevens always found such murders most convenient in whatever covert government found necessary.

  81. I always thought the distinction between the Nazi use of the swastika and the more ancient tradition had to do with the left or right handededness of the swastika. But having checked with Wikipedia it appears that is not true, and both versions were common in the ancient world. If you read the Wikipedia entry on the history of the swastika it is a damn interesting read. Quite amazing just how many cultures have used it, starting apparently 10,000 years ago. Some great stories there too such as the one about Heinrich Böll on a visit to Dublin in the 50s upset to see signs for the Swastika Laundry, until he realised it had been around since 1912. The impression it left with me was sadness that such an ancient and ubiquitous symbol for good luck, among other things, has now been rendered utterly taboo by the Nazis.

  82. doug scorgie

    25 May, 2014 - 1:15 pm

    Jives
    25 May, 2014 – 3:50 am

    “Alex Salmond is a Privy Councillor-which entails taking an oath to The Queen.”

    “How does that square with independence can anyone tell me?”

    It’s not just Privy Councillors Jives.

    Every MP in the UK has to do so or they cannot take up their seats in parliament.

    Also every member of the armed forces and every member of the police.

  83. So effective they haven’t changed it since the C13.

    Privy Councillor’s Oath

    This is the oath taken on becoming a member of the Privy Council. It has remained unchanged since about 1250.

    The vow of secrecy is not usually upheld – but it does apply if sensitive government information is revealed to Privy Councillors on “Privy Council terms”.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/a-z_of_parliament/p-q/85690.stm

    and you don’t get your MP’s or Lord’s spondoolies until you have sworn the oath. What archaic nonsense. A democracy? You’re ‘avin a laaff Your Maj!

    Swearing in and the parliamentary oath
    7http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/swearingin/

  84. “John Goss, A Node

    But are you sure they don’t pre-date the Nazis? The swastika is a very old symbol.”

    It’s possible that some pre-Hitler hardware company used the symbol as a logo, but much more likely that it is the Nazi version, given the Queen mother’s connections to Germany.
    My original photo should be in a box in the attic where it has been awaiting unpacking since we moved to this house 14 years ago. I’ll try to unearth it.
    In the meantime, if anybody fancies a nice Sunday afternoon excursion, Glamis Castle is 12 miles from Dundee, Google Map …..

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Glamis+Castle/@60.209965,-10.818442,4z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x4f414f9a83101ffd?hl=en-GB

    ….. and it’s open to the public ….

    “The 2014 Season runs from 12th April to 2nd November.
    The Castle and Grounds are open daily from 10.00am to 6.00pm, last admission 4.30pm”

    http://www.glamis-castle.co.uk/

  85. …. and at only 5 miles, its not far for Forfar either.

  86. It is obvious to all who stand outside the political world kafr ro Muslim, that it takes a heavy toll on a human being to dedicate their life energy to causing problems to others and trying to steer destiny away from God’s plan, i.e. the game of politics.

    Therefore most people who engage in it comfort themselves by putting pressure on other people who are under their thumb.

    If it’s such a tough job being a Royal, why not admit that you are an ordinary human being with absolutely no legitimacy to either political or religious authority.

    When you are in a hole, stop digging.

    Similarly, with political Islam in Egypt and Syria, when you realise that nobody wants your fanatacism, stop killing. Maybe when Egypt, Tunisia, Libya , Syria and Jordan have been completely ruined, for the sake of Allah they will give you some little mosques to shorten your trousers and grow your emnity in.

  87. Scotland’s most spectacular castle, ancestral family home of the Earls of Strathmore and Kinghorne and the childhood Home of HM Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother.

    Glamis Castle has been the ancestral home of the Earls of Strathmore for over 600 years. The present Earl is Michael, 18th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne. Please note that Glamis Castle closes to the general public for the season on 3rd November 2013.

    !!!!!!!!
    Prices:
    Adult: £10.90
    Child: £8.00
    Family: £32.00
    Concession: £10.00

    Who did they steal it from?

    I hate castles. All that fighting, killing and blood letting.

    ~~~
    Eton and the Scots Guards. Then stockbroking and a govt whip in the 90s. ie the usual
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bowes-Lyon,_18th_Earl_of_Strathmore_and_Kinghorne

    He is in the Better Together camp. I am sure he is.

    ‘The letter from James I to Lord Glamis, in which the former expresses “remarkable enthusiasm” for the Union of the Crowns of Scotland and England, was unearthed on April 19 2014 by Lord Strathmore, with whom it appears in the Daily Telegraph of that day. The monarch is known to be an advocate of a single parliament, and the fragile document makes clear his conviction that the two nations are “better together”, incidentally the name of the modern campaign against disunion.’

    The link – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/scottish-politics/10775380/Letter-written-by-first-king-of-Great-Britain-mirrors-current-campaign-for-the-Union.html

  88. doug scorgie

    25 May, 2014 - 4:43 pm

    Resident Dissident
    25 May, 2014 – 7:58 am

    “There are plenty of tales of its existence among the relatively new SNP establishment and the Putinistas should perhaps remember the role of the leaders’ mistress in lighting in Olympic flame.”

    Was buggery involved there ResDis?

  89. RD even had plural leaders …… . ‘leaders’ mistress.’

    Only one mistress for all those leaders. Are Agent Cameron and Obomber in on it?

  90. I wonder how land resdistribution will fare, when Scotland gets independence.

    Interesting article here:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10852929/Land-owned-by-Scotlands-lairds-must-be-capped.html

    I suspect they’ll make a lot of noise for very little change.

  91. Resident Dissident

    25 May, 2014 - 6:34 pm

    “Was buggery involved there ResDis?”

    I was talking about corruption that takes many forms – sexual and otherwise.

  92. An enduring image.
    https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75091000/jpg/_75091530_75091529.jpg

    Pope prays at Israel’s West Bank separation barrier
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27562919

    It is not a ‘separation barrier’. It is a bloody great concrete wall 8m in height and is built right up to the Palestinian dwellings.

  93. Chocolate wins the day.

    BREAKING NEWS:Chocolate tycoon Petro Poroshenko has won outright victory in Ukraine’s presidential election – national exit polls

    Sounds more like a chocolate chip off the old block.

    ‘Klitschko’s decision to abandon the presidential ambitions for Poroshenko was welcomed by the former head of the presidential Yanukovych administration Sergei Liovochkin.
    The internet publication Ukrainian Pravda, referring to the Austrian press, reported that Poroshenko and Klitschko formed their union on request by Ukranian billionaire Dmitry Firtash, who is facing bribery charges in the U.S. Firtash publicly confirmed that he supports Poroshenko in the presidential election.’
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Poroshenko

  94. Resident Dissident

    25 May, 2014 - 6:49 pm

    Those worried about a ‘fascist coup’ in Ukraine will be glad to know that Tyahnybok (Svodoba) got 1.3% and Yarosh (Right Sector) 0.9% according to the exit polls – rather less than the 11.6% obtained by Zhirinovsky’s fascist party in the last Russian legislative elections.

  95. Kipling used the swastika before it acquired the connotations it has now. Here is a technically v bad but somewhat informative site. You’ll easily find better, but I’m slurping wine after Sunday dinner and too sleepy to do your googling for you.

    I like Kipling (even without the usual PC qualifications) and his books on the shelves above my head have that symbol on their spine. As he uses it, it seems clearly intended as an Indian reference, nothing sinister.

    His ‘Stalky & Co’ stories scandalised a generation. Recommended.

  96. Resident Dissident

    25 May, 2014 - 8:02 pm

    Swastikas on Scottish fences sort of explained here

    http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/non-combat-uniforms-related-insignia-third-reich/swastika-churchyard-fence-scotland-help-needed-29962/

    On the other hand we could start a conspiracy theory about the hidden Nazi cell within Scotland which is now in the final stages of implementing its master plan………….

  97. Resident Dissident

    25 May, 2014 - 8:07 pm

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