Euro Values

by craig on May 26, 2014 1:07 pm in Uncategorized

Brian Taylor of BBC Scotland said last night he picked up at Holyrood that the other unionist parties were pleased that UKIP had won the former Lib Dem seat in Scotland and stopped the SNP getting a third.  That was the most revealing moment of last night for me – it showed the vicious irresponsibility of the Better Together campaign, and exposed the lie that UKIP are outsiders.

The other moment worth watching was Alex Salmond confronting Dimbleby that the BBC had given UKIP four times as much coverage time in Scotland during the campaign as the SNP.  Dimbleby tamely responded that his complaint should be directed to BBC Scotland.  The BBC’s promotion of UKIP again explodes the myth of UKIP as outsiders.

The Unionist camp’s pathetic attempt to claim that UKIP’s 10% and fourth place in Scotland, squeaking one seat, shows Scotland is the same politically as England where UKIP got 29% and came first, is desperate politics.  That in order to make that point they were happy for a racist party to marginally represent Scotland in Europe, is a sign of the total moral bankruptcy of the Better Together neo-con British Nationalist programme.

New Labour are completely screwed.  To only beat the Tories by 1%, when there is a huge UKIP voteof which a significant slice will go back to the Tories, shows there is no chance whatsoever that New Labour will win the UK general election.

The people of Scotland have a very simple choice in September.  Independence, or another Tory government which will probably pull the UK out of the EU, and might very well be in coalition with UKIP.

New Labour won almost nowhere except London.  It is the party of London., with a leader who has never in his life lived outside London.  But it is a fascinating fact that of all the class, educational, geographical and other statistics you can correlate with New Labour success, the factor with the strongest correlation of all with the New Labour share of the vote is the prevalence of postal voting.  New Labour can win only where the system is open widest to abuse through massive scale electoral fraud.

Some of this is straight fraud – postal ballots being given to ghost voters, non-existent people on the register.  That is very much more prevalent than you probably imagine.  But mostly it operates through the deprivation of the privacy of the polling booth.  In a polling station nobody is supposed to be allowed to look over your shoulder (although there were disgraceful scenes in places in Tower Hamlets, Wood Green and Newham).  But if you receive your ballot paper in your home, you are extremely vulnerable if you live in a situation where others are able to enter your home and demand to check that you have voted the right way before you post your ballot.  That is beyond doubt the situation both of many family members, particularly affecting women, and of certain highly hierarchical and patriarchal communities.  Postal ballot distortion is an absolutely disgraceful blot on British political culture.  It is also fundamental to New Labour’s ability to salvage something from a disastrous electoral performance.

There is indeed a very nasty undercurrent of racism in England at the moment.  I live in one of UKIP’s strongest areas and this racism cannot be wished away.  In fact I do not believe that Farage is personally racist, and I believe he is genuine not tactical in his abhorrence of the French National Front.  But I do believe Farage has pandered to and encouraged people who are racists, and that there are a great many racists within UKIP.  These people must not be allowed to become a ‘respectable’ part of politics and must be confronted wherever they appear.

I have argued for years that the UK is not a democracy in that no real choice is offered between the main political parties.  Their policies are all the same.  If the range of possible policies on any one issue were enumerated from 1 to 100, New Labour, Lib Dem and Tories offer you choices in the range 81 to 86. The electorate has noticed, and people are sick of it.  People have noticed all over Europe too.  The politics of neo-con consensus and its lackey media is happily dead.  This is a change that will not stop.  Once we imprison enough neo-cons who ripped off the public and the taxpayer, perhaps they might concede that it turns out history had not ended after all.

It is true that UKIP’s support does represent an upsurge of dissatisfaction with the political elite, and that also is part of an unarticulated rage at the astonishing growth of inequality of wealth in society and the vast shift of resources to the billionaire middlemen in the financial sector who do extremely little for it.  It is good that rage is building, and Syriza show in Greece that it can be constructively channelled.  But it is much more often and with much more success diverted in order to awake volcanoes of atavism, and rage that should be directed at plutocrats is instead turned on foreigners.  The danger is letting that analysis divert you from the fact of how very, very real and very, very nasty that atavism is in the dispossessed classes.  We are in a dangerous place.  The neo-con establishment is fanning racist flames.

At school, we were taught about the years of revolution in Europe of 1830-32 and 1848-9.  Those revolutionary years coincided with Asian Cholera pandemics, which undoubtedly played a part in driving people beyond endurance.  You can of course argue that poverty and famine assisted the spread of the pandemics.

This current year of European change has also been sparked by economic distress, and seen an increase in poverty marker diseases, some of which we had hoped had effectively vanished. But plague has been a cause.  Europe has suffered the most devastating plague of bankers in history.

The disillusioned should not blame immigrants.  Immigrants are victims too.  Turn your wrath on the bankers, the billionaires and the neo-con parties who do their bidding.  Another world is possible.

Let’s start by ending the UK and setting Scotland free.  It is not illegitimate to judge an idea in part by the quality and motives of those who oppose it.  The full range of the neo-con establishment prefer racist isolation for a neo-con UK to a free Scotland.  Just look at them.  Then kick them where it really hurts.

 

 

 

 

 

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169 Comments

  1. Derek Bryant

    26 May, 2014 - 1:21 pm

    Just one correction Ed Miliband lived in Leeds as a child. Ralph Miliband was had the Chair of Politics at the University.

    Ed has also lived in New York which in some ways is like never having lived outside of London

  2. I attempted to leave the follow comment on your McCann post. Unfortunately the catchpa seems to be non-functioning.

    Guilty as hell? Yes. Why?

    I shall keep it simple, and I shall keep it to Day One.

    The cornerstone for the McCann’s claim for stranger abduction were the “Jemmied Shutters.” Let me give you just one example from many.

    He (Jon Corner) said: “She (Kate) just blurted out that Madeleine had been abducted. She told me, ‘They have broken the shutter on the window and taken my little girl.’

    But the shutters weren’t jemmied. Ergo; no jemmied shutters, no abduction. It’s that simple.

    Now just for a moment, image that quality of testament, being uttered in the case of, shall we say, a Post Office robbery?

    The shutters, all here in one stop. http://bit.ly/1fujWnS

  3. Excellent post, Craig. Could you supply a link to any statistics on correlation between NuLab vote and postal voting?

  4. “The disillusioned should not blame immigrants. Immigrants are victims too. Turn your wrath on the bankers, the billionaires and the neo-con parties who do their bidding. Another world is possible.”

    Great statement, great post. I blogged on Farage and his racism this morning but also mentioned the other election which the BBC this morning completely overlooked, the Poroshenko acclaimed victory. There are electronic anomolies and it is thought there might be a hand-count. Poroshenko might be good for Ukraine. The electorate, only a relatively small number went out to vote, is clearly unhappy with those who stole power. Timoshenko, who claimed she was going to win, polled 12% and she was the US choice probably because she is as corrupt as they are. It looks like the electorate made a good choice and things could get better if there is not another coup. I realise the Poroshenko is an Oligarch but there is not much chance of getting anything else in that part of the world; or perhaps anywhere today. And he is into chocolate not arms. So Willie (Porshenko) Wonker, don’t let us down!

  5. Actually this partly answers my own question- http://www.economist.com/node/16076117

  6. “another Tory government which will probably pull the UK out of the EU”

    Fat chance. Whatever the outcome of a referendum the Tories will not take the UK out of the EU. The Tories’ masters are the bankers and the bankers are the EU.

    “Turn your wrath on the bankers, the billionaires and the neo-con parties who do their bidding”

    A lot of people thought they were doing just that by voting Ukip.

  7. Pete

    Am hoping to do a detailed breakdown on this, but as a serious piece of work in a couple of weeks time.

  8. Teddy Shepherd

    The McCanns are dreadfully litigious and I suspect the Mods are trying to protect the site.

  9. Ukip are a bunch of loonies, to be sure, but they’re the only girl at the dance so whaddya gonna do?

    I love your blog, Craig, and your passion but i’ve never been anywhere close to being an idealist and much prefer that government would stay the fuck away from me so i’ve no problem with doing Kipper work – at the moment we’re hunting round for a medic to run a ‘Save our A&E’ campaign forcing a 5 way split in next year’s general so we end the Tory and maybe slip in the back door – it’s worth a punt. There ain’t no point in being moral or right if there aren’t any votes in it. More power to your elbow, though.

    Someone, Dizzy I think,

  10. Was gonna gibber on about how government is a Brazilian cock fish..oopps!

    http://www.thinkscotland.org/todays-thinking/articles.html?read_full=11856&article=www.thinkscotland.org

  11. My biggest concern for the referendum vote is the postal vote issue. What are the rules for the referendum? Ae they the same as a GE? If so, then the whole exercise is open to massive fraud and abuse. I have heard “stories” (OK, we need to be careful about hearsay) that some Labour canvassers are suggesting that people take a postal voter form, rather than “bother with going to the polling station. We can look after that for you.”

    Is here any way to establish if this is truly going on, and if so, what is the (so-called monitor) the Electoral Commission doing about ensuring that the referendum ballot is 100% honest?

    This and the massive bias of the BBC are the two key weak points in the YES campaign. Media blockage and manipulation together with voter manipulation. What has this country [UK] become?

  12. Hi Craig,

    As a new reader to your blog, and indecently in the process of reading murder in Samarkand. It is so refreshing to hear a diplomat, actually tell it as it is. I also think the level of bias in the BBC in their political reporting especially in the independence debate, as absolutely shocking. Even after several studies indicating their extreme bias views and reporting. Their utter reluctant to even accept that fact, as well as their total disregard for the license payer is mind boggling. I also think that UKIP are a scourge on society their ideology and hatred is disgusting and divisive , but the almost daily and repeated propaganda that is spewed out by the BBC has had an affect. But as you say playing the racism card is a great political diversion tactic, and keeps the masses arguing amongst themselves, conquer and divide. I am a passionate independence supporter, and I am the first to admit its not the cure to all evils. But even if it makes politics slightly more accountable to the people, and keeps racism at bay then it must be worth the risk. Great post Craig Keep up the good work. :-)

  13. Resident Dissident

    26 May, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    “The electorate, only a relatively small number went out to vote, is clearly unhappy with those who stole power.”

    So please enlighten us on the turnout excluding those parts of the Ukraine where Putin’s bully boys stopped people from voting.

    “Yes, Putin is popular, but there has been no recent history of Russian imperialism or land grabs,”

    Pure comedy

    “In Ukraine since February there has been a lot of western-promoted riots which have put the country in chaos.”

    The Euro Maidan started last November

    “Poroshenko is thought to have more than the 55% of votes necessary to take office. However the west wanted Timoshenko, who only polled about 12% in a low turnout, to win.”

    “So it would appear the Ukraine, which has recently seen racism showing all its many ugly faces, has voted against the illegal government that took over Ukraine. ”

    Would seem unlikely given that Timoshenko’s opinion poll rating were pretty low from the start of the campaign and it has been pretty widely reported that Poroshenko has been woring closely with Yats. But then you really haven’t got a clue about what has been going on in Ukraine – which is of course what happens when you rely on RT and other Putin outlets as your sole information source.

    Anyway my congratulations to the Ukrainian people.

  14. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 3:07 pm

    “It is good that rage is building, and Syriza show in Greece that it can be constructively channelled.”
    _____________________

    That comment about Syriza, Craig, show that you don’t follow Greek politics very closely. There is very little “constructive” about Syriza, whose leader lives in fear that one day he might just have to head a govt. Believe me.

  15. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 3:13 pm

    “My biggest concern for the referendum vote is the postal vote issue. What are the rules for the referendum? Ae they the same as a GE? If so, then the whole exercise is open to massive fraud and abuse.”
    ______________________

    This – for the uninitiated – is the Great Referendum Excuse N°2, to be trotted out when the “NO” camp wins. It was fraud wot lost it!.

    Great Referendum Excuse N°1 is of course “it was all the fault of the biased media!”.

  16. I don’t know how many of the disillusioned do blame immigrants. I suppose some must, perhaps many, but unless I’m completely out of touch, the predominant sentiment seems to be “they’re only doing what I would do in their situation”. The people to blame are the people who make the laws and create the conditions in which this insanity persists.

    We are talking about the management of a medium-sized, still relatively rich country. That country has been running a programme of mass-immigration in tandem with one of mass-unemployment – and they’ve been doing it for years! Is there really anybody who can claim with a straight face that that is anything other than the most appallingly bad management? You have to be either an economist or a politician to think that it’s rational.

    Yes, the people of Scotland do have a straight, simple choice in September. But not to worry. If they get it wrong they’ll have another straight, simple choice in another few years. Then, if they’re particularly recalcitrant and they get it wrong again, they’ll have another …

  17. “of certain highly hierarchical and patriarchal communities.”

    Not exactly sticking your head about the parapet there, are you.

  18. My post on the Mind Bogging thread confirms what Craig says about BBC bias in their Scottish output. Salmond/Dimblebore

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/mind-boggling/#comment-458901

    Dimbleby knew exactly what Salmond was saying. They are ALL in it together.
    ~~

    Well done to Nadira and best wishes for her success.

    Does this mean that you will not be posting in the interim Craig?

  19. “of certain highly hierarchical and patriarchal communities.”

    Not exactly sticking your head about the parapet there, are you.

    Exactly S Falcone; This blog is admirable when Craig addresses his points bluntly, courageously, and with good humour. Being mealy mouthed is a characteristic honed to perfection by establishment presstitutes; we don’t want that sort of self censorship here here.

  20. Falcone and OldMark,

    The reason these communities are so susceptible to postal ballot abuse is because they are hierarchical and patriarchal. It is not skin colour that causes the abuse, though I realise that is something you would rather discuss.

  21. Gutenberg on Medialens has captured some of the BBC coverage of the results on their ‘News Channel’. He refers to Minchin and Turnball ie the pair of presenters Louise Minchin and Bill Turnbull who occupy the red sofa at Salford.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1401114167.html

    Described as an ‘anchor’. Could suggest another word. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Minchin

    Nondescript. A Strictly contestant. Says it all.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Turnbull

  22. I really enjoy both your blogs and your books.

    We will now endure endless reinterpretation of the results as each party spins away ad lib.

    What has really happened is that vast swathes of lEurope have protested at last against governments and institutions which do not represent the people or even attempt to serve their interests. Financial scams and crony politics dominate the system

    We need comprehensive new structures both at country and European levels, and mechanisms for the people to control the actions of their so called representatives. We need Piketty’s wealth tax and radical reform of banking and the entire financial system. Otherwise? Implosion and disaster loom.

    PS. I would lose personally from such measures, but we must take action to include the excluded, and make the idea that we are all in this together ring less hollow. Solidarity and equality must override self interested reverence for the past, and an unwritten constitution which favours only those currently in power.

  23. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 May, 2014 - 4:08 pm

    Plantation owners in the South used to treat their darkies like children who needed constant direction in life. I think that societal structure was hierarchical and patriarchal as well.

  24. Ah so. But whether you have noticed or not, they are not litigious with anyone who stands firm? Something you may, or may not, wish to bear in mind.

    But whatever your decision, there is an injustice taking place before our eyes, the likes of which are unique in this country’s history.

  25. ‘It is not skin colour that causes the abuse, though I realise that is something you would rather discuss.’

    Just a simple acknowledgement that this ‘hierarchical and patriarchal’ demographic is a recent import, a by-product of the immigration which is supposedly so enriching to the cultural desert that is western Europe, will do.

    For a more measured response to the trends manifested in the Euro Elections, this is a good place to start-

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/nigel-farage-and-the-fury-of-the-elites/15045#.U4NW73JdXYR

  26. OldMark

    That the problem is particularly marked in some (but by no means all) immigrant communities I certainly acknowledge. Strongly linked to separate schooling and the lack of housing and social integration which are a hallmark of so many strong New Labour areas, and from my own experience of Blackburn a result of deliberate New Labour social engineering to keep their core vote ignorant and united.

  27. 38 Degrees Logo

    It’s splashed across The Telegraph today: a group of MPs have come together to say that they need to regain our trust. [1] And they’re right. Many of us think that politics in the UK is broken. MPs can be sent to prison, can fiddle their expenses or break their promises and we can only get rid of them on election day. [2]

    But, we’ve got a chance right now to make things better. It looks like the government is making plans to announce new powers to sack – ‘recall’ – MPs who don’t do their job properly. Good huh? It would be, but it’s a stitch-up. [3]

    Their plans could put the power to sack MPs in their colleagues’ hands – not their constituents. The MPs speaking out today don’t think this is good enough. They’re backing real recall – so if enough people wanted to hold a by-election to sack their MP in between elections, they could.

    Today’s news will put the government under pressure. So let’s add to it. Let’s build a HUGE people-powered petition so they know we’re watching. Can you sign the petition now?
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/recall-2014

    A real recall law is not the answer to all of our democracy’s problems. But it’s a step in the right direction. And above all, it puts the power into our hands rather than MPs’.

    Real recall won’t mean that by-elections happen every day. There would be checks and balances in place so that MPs can get on with their jobs. It’s only the bad MPs who will need to worry.

    We need to send the government a clear signal, which means the petition needs to be big. Every signature will build the pressure they’ll be under.

    Here’s what one Conservative MP, Zac Goldsmith said:

    “As an MP, I’ve seen how public pressure can force the government’s arm – and they’re particularly sensitive about public trust in MPs right now. A massive petition could give David Cameron and Nick Clegg no option but to go back to the drawing board – and produce recall with bite.”

    NOTES
    [1] The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10850163/Let-voters-sack-underperforming-politicians-MPs-say.html
    [2] House of Commons Library: Recall Elections:
    http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/briefings/snpc-05089.pdf
    [3] BBC: Recall plan for MPs ‘is a stitch-up’:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22784664

  28. Jermyn St. Jim.

    26 May, 2014 - 4:50 pm

    (Via Mai Kari Hartvag Zimbleman) “A must listen, 37 min. The Lisbon treaty: the loss of democratic rights: removes and bans, than reintroduces the death penalty, for riots and upheavels and allows EU forces to enter any country. 27 former EU states have no constitution, how did this happen?
    This video is based on a speech by Rodney Atkinson at a public meeting at the Houses of Parliament on 26th Feb 2008 -updated 2010 Details for purchase of the audio copy see below.
    The EU is based on the Nazi plans published in Berlin in 1942 ” The Eu was founded and initially led by “former” Nazis and fascists, as was the Charlemagne prize awarded to TONY BLAIR, EDWARD HEATH, ROY JENKINS and others for their role in removing democratic sovereignty from the nation states of Europe”
    RODNEY ATKINSON is a former adviser to Ministers and an internationally praised author of 6 books on political economy and the crisis caused by the European superstate. He has broadcast on radio and television in the UK, Germany, Poland, Yugoslavia, Austria and the USA, and his books have been sold in more than 50 countries.

  29. Jermyn St. Jim.

    26 May, 2014 - 4:57 pm

  30. Important rule in life. Anyone who self describes as ‘an internationally praised author’ is a fruitcake. Your link removed.

  31. Falcone (the S is obviously superfluous if I don't kowtow)

    26 May, 2014 - 5:24 pm

    Who mentioned skin colour ?

    It was your cowardice in sidestepping it in the first place that you betrayed by your snide allusion to our “racism”.

    Even a useful idiot like George Galloway has got the guts to identify the Biradiri system (disgracefully encouraged by Labour) is at the heart of the issue.

  32. The people have shown that half measures will no longer do. What is needed at this juncture is more EU and more immigration. People are understandably disillusioned with the political classes. It is therefore critical that we proceed with full EU integration and the replacement of the xenophobic English working class. Blame the bankers. All opposition to immigration is racism. I have met Nigel Farage and let me assure you that in private he eats kittens. That is the choice. Independence or a kitty holocaust.

  33. good post Craig, but not a case in isolation. Farage immigration issues, albeit with slightly differing tonal emphasis, is an issue Golden Dawn are viciously expressing in Greece, its what Ms. Le pen is proclaiming in France, Yobic is shouting at the Roma in Hungary and what this cheeky chappie Bernd Lucke is on about.
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-portrait-of-bernd-lucke-and-the-new-german-right-a-969589.html

    And we have not even talked of Norways fascists, still not purged after Breivigs apparent solo attack, or the Svoboda’s in eastern Europe.

    A globalised world wants to trade with each other, with all the bells and whistles attached, ideally take as much for themselves as they can, for their prosperity and theirs alone, not to be shared with those whose resources we took or traded.
    But the free movement of globalised labour, answering the needs of various countries, is once again skewed towards our western specialists and engioneers accessing foreign work, whilst labourers who want to change their lot, from Africa Asia and further afield are rebuffed, denied work and sent back home.

    Not so the 350.000 US/Oz immigrants to this country, once again their access is preferred to that of eastern Europeans.
    Schengen is good for us, its a wall to others, an extra insurmountable hurdle for a person with little means.

    This fence will grow in height and the Wilders of this world, we totally forgot our Dutch fans of simple messages.

    The political parties don’t want to give us a fair voting system they can’t manipulate anymore, they would hate demarchy, because it would end the traditional politcal oligarchies and send them were they belong, into room 101, so whats the recipe to defeat UKIP in a first past the post system?

    vote tactically wherever you live?

    We both have seen the Biradiri system work in Blackburn, we know that postal voting is fraudulent and that our vote is not secret anymore, but recorded.

    Short of organising our own general election using NGO lobby groups and a proportional system, or using demarchy cause its cheaper for us all, I can’t see any way out.
    hey what an idea, what if more people vote in an alternatiove fair election, then in a first past the post lot, what will the BBC say if a citizen organised GE has more mandate than the political parties?

  34. South Africa had so-called elections on the 7th May 2014. It was,as usual, a racial head count with the ANC winning a landslide victory despite 50 million people being treated to a truly DREADFUL, incompetent and obscenely corrupt government and an even more dreadful and thoroughly nasty-piece-of-work President.
    Zuma just spent nearly a billion Rand of tax payers money on doing up his PRIVATE RESIDENCE yet he is still cheered to the rafters (as is Mugabe) in South Africa.
    This makes the complaints about the EU look like chicken feed actually.
    Just to keep in with the ANC’s Africa-for-the-Africans meme (locally known as TRANSFORMATION) Zuma and his ANC cronies have now got a law bulldozed through parliament that will actually make it a criminal offence to publish any government official’s corruption FACTS.
    Small wonder that not a single western state nor any of the BRICS showed up at Zuma’s inauguration.

  35. forgot to finish a sentence. After simple messages it should have read..’will become more numerous and more powerfull.’

  36. We must get the Scots out of the UK and fully locked into the EU before they twig like the English have. The English working classes are thick and racist. The Scots working classes are still lovely and tolerant and impressionable. I was in Poland once touring the castles. To the visiting government official, Europe is a wonderful place. It was during such times that I realised the petty concerns of the English plebs about jobs and houses are really so very insignificant. I will be with my wife in Spain shortly. What a wonderful system that we have created in which one’s spouse can nip abroad for her Master’s degree with the minimum degree of fuss! It is one of my profoundest political hopes that one day all Scots will be able to do this without even having to change currency. The ignorant English will, of course, fester in their racist and uneducated prejudices created by their inability to accept mass-immigration. Let them stew I say!

  37. “So please enlighten us on the turnout excluding those parts of the Ukraine where Putin’s bully boys stopped people from voting.”

    I don’t really know why I should be providing a know-all with facts he could easily research. But, hey, on our side we try to be helpful. The figures given in this report is 55.3% (excluding Eastern Ukraine regions) and the source is Kiev Post.

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/05/26/poroshenko-declares-victory-ukraine-elections-low-turn/

    “Pure comedy”.

    Most of the shit you write is.

    “The Euro Maidan started last November”

    The shooting from the boys you support started in February.

    Poroshenko was not supporting Yats so much as Klitschko’s prong of the three forks, but the NAZIs have been shown the back door as long as they can get them out of the secret services, which are the bane of every government and country.

    You clearly haven’t got a clue RD. But I am glad they voted the seedy lot you’ve been supporting out.

    Anyway, back to work for you tomorrow eh?

    Treat me with respect and I will stop dismantling the shit you post.

  38. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 7:04 pm

    Davebee
    26 May, 2014 – 6:02 pm

    “Zuma and his ANC cronies have now got a law bulldozed through parliament that will actually make it a criminal offence to publish any government official’s corruption FACTS.”

    “Small wonder that not a single western state nor any of the BRICS showed up at Zuma’s inauguration.”

    Not true Davebee:

    Representatives from Brazil, Russia India and China were there Davebee.

    As were representatives of Cuba and Nicaragua. Also in attendance was the UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon.

    http://www.news24.com/Elections/News/UN-chief-heads-of-state-to-attend-inauguration-20140523

  39. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 7:13 pm

    “Important rule in life. Anyone who self describes as ‘an internationally praised author’ is a fruitcake”
    __________________

    Very true, Craig.

    A wry smile also comes to one’s lips when one sees “is a former adviser to Ministers ” written as an expression of praise (one notes that it’s not usually stated who those Ministers are).

    Rodney Atkinson and his video remind me more than a little of Christopher Booker and “Doctor” Richard North (well-known fruitcakes both) and their magnum opus “The Great Deception – the secret history of the European Union” (secret no longer of course, thanks to the unflagging efforts ofBooker and North).

    It’s an obsessive, selective, mendacious work and as such I warmly commend it to the Eminences of this blog.

  40. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    Davebee
    26 May, 2014 – 6:02 pm

    I forgot to ask…

    Can you back up your statement with a link or reference?:

    “Zuma and his ANC cronies have now got a law bulldozed through parliament that will actually make it a criminal offence to publish any government official’s corruption FACTS.”

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 7:21 pm

    “Small wonder that not a single western state nor any of the BRICS showed up at Zuma’s inauguration.”

    Not true Davebee:

    Representatives from Brazil, Russia India and China were there Davebee.”
    ____________________________

    Evasive and in your usual half-truth style, Doug.

    When saying representatives of the BRICs, Doug, you should also have said that they were from the local diplomatic representations in Pretoria.

    I believe your comment seeks to give the impression that the BRIC representatives came in from abroad and were of high rank, eg Ministers or even Heads.

    By the way, there was also diplomatic representation (again, from the embassies on the spot) from Western countries.

    Hope that clarifies, Doug.

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 7:31 pm

    Craig

    “Falcone and OldMark,

    The reason these communities are so susceptible to postal ballot abuse is because they are hierarchical and patriarchal. It is not skin colour that causes the abuse, though I realise that is something you would rather discuss.”
    ____________________

    The above comment is unworthy. As I read them, Falcone and Old Mark were twitting you about your PC expression, which sounds strange from the pen of a man who seems anything but.

    What exactly is racist about saying that postal ballot abuse is more prevalent in Indian, Pakistani and Bangla Deshi communities than in others (eg Polish, Jewish, Italian, etc etc) if that is indeed the case?

  43. “What exactly is racist about saying that postal ballot abuse is more prevalent in Indian, Pakistani and Bangla Deshi communities than in others (eg Polish, Jewish, Italian, etc etc) if that is indeed the case?”

    What Craig did is explain why.

    And that explanation added more to our knowledge than simply naming a particular community.

    It also enables you to do something about the problem, were you so minded, because you’ve identified the factors that cause the problem.

    Just saying, the brown fellas did it, doesn’t get us very far.

  44. Davebee 6:02pm

    All that you report is quite tolerable. We got what we wanted in South Africa, that’s all that matters, and in any case we’ve moved on to Israel now.

  45. Nick Clegg Defiant After Elections Disaster

    The under-pressure Lib Dem leader admits being left with just one MEP was a “huge setback” but he says he will not walk away.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1269329/nick-clegg-defiant-after-elections-disaster

  46. Whereas across the Irish Sea, there are people who know how to do the decent thing.

    Gilmore resigns as Labour leader in aftermath of elections
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0526/619609-reshuffle/

  47. You know politicians are on the ropes when they start blaming the media. Salmond failed to achieve the kind of result last night that would put him on course to win the independence vote. Calling UKIP members racists and alleging a conspiracy with the BBC is easier than looking closer to home, I guess.

  48. There was a much higher turnout in Eire than here. 51.6%

    16 local council seats yet to be decided
    26 May 2014 21.07

    Only 16 of the 949 council seats available remain to be filled in the local authority elections.

    Fianna Fáil have made significant gains in the election and now hold 265 seats across the country, having received 25.3% of first preference votes.

    Independents and Others makes up the next largest grouping, holding 232 council seats following a first preference vote of 28.3%.

    Fine Gael support is down by more than a third since the General Election, with the party currently holding 229 seats.

    Sinn Féin has experienced considerable growth and now holds 157 seats and is the largest party on the Dublin City and South Dublin Councils.

    Labour has experienced a collapse in support to 7%, holding just 50 seats nationwide.

    Turnout nationally stood at 51.6%.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0526/619617-local-elections/

  49. “New Labour won almost nowhere except London. It is the party of London., with a leader who has never in his life lived outside London.”

    Apart from Living in Leeds, New York and at Harvard.

    Labour won more seats than everyone else put together. You’re talking utter rubbish.

    What a silly, angry man you’ve become, Craig.

    There were police in the polling booths in Tower Hamlets, Craig. And the allegations are made more against opponents of Labour than Labour.

    Postal voting is most common in the Northeast. Not the anti-women patriarchy you had in mind, eh?

    Gilligan standard.

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 11:54 pm

    Herbie

    “It also enables you to do something about the problem, were you so minded, because you’ve identified the factors that cause the problem.”
    _______________________-

    And what would that something be, Herbie?

    (Should be easy for you to answer, now that Craig’s identified “the factors that cause the problem”)

  51. Does “Tubby’ come from Liebour party HQ?

    When I looked to see where that is located, Contact Us on the Liebour website gives the location as a disused pub in Newcastle. ???

  52. Completely agree Craig. On the 1830s and 1848 revolutions coinciding with cholera epidemics i didn’t know about that, but i’m wondering if it could be similar to the medieval Peasan’ts revolt in England, which came after the Black Death. The shortage of peasant farmers and workers this created let them negotiate higher wages (until the King and parliament capped them) and this may have encouraged them to think they were powerful enough for a revolt to get somewhere (though they then chickened out by assuming the King couldn’t be to blame and it must just be his bad advisors and were crushed as a result)

  53. ‘There were police in the polling booths in Tower Hamlets, Craig. And the allegations are made more against opponents of Labour than Labour.’

    T Isaacs- can you verify that ? And which side’s ‘allegations’ actually have substance ?

    From this report of serious irregularities in Tower Hamlets it is unclear who the offenders were (politically speaking)-

    http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/limehouse_woman_s_anger_at_cyril_jackson_primary_school_polling_station_1_3614552#cxrecs_s

    Anyone who knows Tower Hamlets however can deduce the most likely explanation for two women entering the same polling booth is that the older one is illiterate in English, and the younger one (probably her daughter)is telling her where to mark her ballot paper.

    BTW in the Tower Hamlets mayorial election John Biggs (Lab) received 6000 postal votes. How man postal votes did the winner (Lutfur Rahman) receive ?

  54. The ‘democratic’ outcome is a disappointment to the camp here so accusations flying everywhere against everyone and no proof of misconduct in the running of the election.

    Who’s to blame?

    The system for failing to provide real choice.
    The postal voting system for fraud.
    The patriarchal culture in communities.
    The racist voters who hate immigrants.
    The immigrants who prevent family members voting differently.

    Who’s not to blame?

    The non-voter who voted to allow voters a louder voice.
    The vote-spoiler for the same reason but more wilfully.
    The common voter who wasn’t common enough to make an impact.

  55. There were Green party candidates to vote for whose policies were a mixture of socialist, environmentalist and pro-European. There were also anti-European socialist candidates to vote for (e.g NO2EU).

    There were hard right, anti EU, center-right and Liberal parties too.

    I find it hard to believe that there was no choice for voters.

  56. No word of celebration on the fact that the Greens overtook the Lib Dems Mr Murray?

  57. Unfortunately the Greens didn’t do as well as was hoped and only got one new MEP, which is a pity. It was more that the Lib Dem vote collapsed than that the Green vote rose all that much. Green share of the vote UK wide actually fell 0.75%. Very disappointing. Maybe they need to form a coalition with the small socialist parties, who have so far destroyed themselves with splits and factionalism.

    Then the UK or Scotland might have something similar to the Green-Red Syriza coalition in Greece.

  58. Tom (26 May, 2014 – 9:40 pm)

    Insipid pea-shooter character assassination, of no substance, and though your best shot, it missed by a country mile, it was so bad if you want you can have another go, to try get the hang of it, can’t say fairer than that!

    It’s perfectly OK to blame the media when they are hugely to blame, they’re hugely to blame for cutting down gentle democracy wherever its seeds fall, it roots and opens its fragile leaves to the catch the light and warmth of the sun, they cut it down and spray all around with toxic herbicide for good measure. It’s pleasing to know the BBCs ‘big beasts’ as represented by Dimbleby & Co. Ltd., Hereditary TV Presenters, Fact Stranglers and Laundry Service (Wednesdays only) by Royal appointment, run from Alex Salmond and from honest debate offered where the Dimbleby cannot be guaranteed a rigged setup, cannot work without a script provided, freezes then panics when his masters holler in his earpiece, in panic themselves at the thought of giving the SNP or any Scottish Independence supporting party or individual airtime. I think they’d rather pull the plug and show a test card than that. No one has terrified them like this for a long time, that their knee-jerks as if wired to the mains, you’d have to go back to Labour Party conferences of old, with with Benn and Foot at the height of their rhetorical and intellectual powers to see the BBC resort to blacking out all transmission than have bold truths laid before Britain’s people for them to hear, raw, unspun, and make their own minds up, with all the facts to make a proper informed fearless, because right, decision.

    Your pseudo scientific nonsense didn’t cut it, neither does the bitter unionist’s fallback tactic you’ve resorted to – after ludicrous scare scories: Scotland certain to be menaced by UFOs etc. – have stretched credulity well past breaking point, then try personalising a quite clear-cut debate you’re losing; that debate was Independence or more of the same Westminster criminal misrule, pandering to the shrinking pool of morally repugnant haves and the deluded lot who aspire to join them but will spend their lives miserably failing, happy enough believing there’ll always be someone lower than them to despise and to rob blind; the unionists and neo-cons lost that debate, now they’ve totally lost the plot.

    The BBC have no excuse as they’re so lavishly and effortlessly funded, free from the commercial imperative, it obtains our loot by extortion and by deception, trading on a mythical, utterly groundless reputation for objectivity, when all it ever has been is the mouthpiece of the state and of a rapacious few oligarchs hiding behind the curtain. The BBCs News and Current Affairs output is and for a long time has been truly awful, you might like it, more fool you, but for almost all others, the penny long ago dropped, their Big Lie game is up. Like many more, I don’t like one bit what they’ve been doing, it’s unforgiveable and many simply won’t take it anymore, we’ve had enough too of the BBCs ‘involuntary subscription’ model and recommend telling the TV Licensing swat team goons where to stick their extortion racket, and keeping the ransom money demanded instead to keep the power and gas on, the rent paid and subsistence foodstuffs on the table; us pioneers of a post-BBC world blog back that the air is refreshing and the horizons unlimited, the living good, the only cloud is sadness and concern for those stuck behind, glued to the box not yet fully able to re-adjust their mindset, to think things through as they once innately could, before the media lies and disinformation accumulated, and became oppressive obstacles strewn wildly across their mind’s pathways, and the infinite spaces of the imagination become cages, prisons and mazes. Break out, join us. Live again.

    I’ve yet to see a convincing scrap of tangible evidence for the existence of anything so preposterous as ‘BBC Scotland’ (surely a contradiction in terms), and the counter-evidence overwhelms, it is only one of many fictions which have outlived their effectiveness, we’ve grown out of them, we’ve no need for the Tooth-Fairy or Santa Claus, know it’s all make-believe, but we pretend sometimes still, just for fun.

    Other mythical beasts of imaginative fiction e.g. the ‘Scottish’ Labour/Tory/Lib-Them Parties, were once thought to exist also, but we know now they’re myths too, all there is London calling, demanding they bleed us dry soonest, increasingly shrilly calling its quislings and minions ‘attack, attack, there is NO alternative, but attack’.

  59. Tubby Isaacs

    ‘There were police in the polling booths at Tower Hamlets’. Err, yes – where do you think my information came from? In TH it is indeed true that independents as well as the party of war criminals were cheating. But that is as well as.

    I have not claimed that postal vote fraud is ONLY found in ethnic communities. It is a New Labour thing above all. So yes, it is indeed prominent in the North East of England. And in Fife. Thanks for proving my point.

  60. 5566h
    I am delighted the Greens overtook the Lib Dems. I voted Green. Pay attention.

  61. Tony M,5.08 am,

    Excellent post.

    Nails it.

  62. I voted Green in the European elections too. You don’t always get what you vote for.

    The people of Eastern Ukraine know that, having voted in a referendum to join Russia. They are now getting bombed to eternity from the new Poroshenko government and I apologise for misleading people and myself yesterday into thinking he might be a good man. I see now what they have elected, another thug.

    http://rt.com/news/161572-ukraine-slavyansk-shelling-civilian/

  63. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 8:44 am

    Mr Goss

    “The people of Eastern Ukraine know that, having voted in a referendum to join Russia. They are now getting bombed to eternity from the new Poroshenko government and I apologise for misleading people and myself yesterday into thinking he might be a good man. I see now what they have elected, another thug.”
    ____________________

    I think you’ve just performed a reverse ferret.

    But when you say “another thug” , don’t you mean “another NAZI thug”? I’d be sad to think that you’ve dropped the NAZI accusation and am therefore opening a sweepstake on how long it will take you to discover that the new President is in direct line from Hermann Goering (deceased).

  64. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 8:45 am

    It’s a bit simpler than all that.

    UKIP found a genuinely populist issue, associated themselves with it, and stuck with it. Immigration resonates…prices are rising, you can’t get housed, you can’t get a job. And here’s the alien hordes. At the very least, that’s more competition for jobs and a house, at worst, that’s our way of life down the tubes. That’s a very broad spectrum of opinion. It’s not going to go away as far as I can see, and I very much doubt it will be swayed by the promoters of immigration insisting that it’s good for us for a variety of rather questionable reasons. The spectrum of opinion knows who really benefits; market capitalists (Daily Mirror), or benefit scroungers (Daily Mail)…whatever.

    And UKIP found itself campaigning in an atmosphere of utter disillusionment with anything that looked like a mainstream politician, because the only function of mainstream politicians is to lie for their party, and that is now widely recognised. Massive protest vote + popular issue = electoral success. Simples. No need to analyse it further.

    Now, imagine if Labour or the Greens had (a) been able to retain their credibility – LOL- and (b) go to work on the massive inequality of income and opportunity we currently enjoy. Cameron’s head would be on a pike at the Tower of London, and his lapdog, Clegg, would be in Battersea Dogs’ Home. Another wasted opportunity.

  65. As you say John, a thug. He talked of unity. He is of course working for his masters.

    Clashes over control of Donetsk airport left at least 30 pro-Russian separatists dead, rebels say
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27584718

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 8:46 am

    Where’s Mary and her tag team this morning?

    Perhaps our “loss” will be her garden’s gain?

  67. Oddie

    Cutting and pasting articles into this comment section is not allowed. If you want to make an argument yourself and quote or link, that is fine, as long as it is on=topic (which they weren’t either).

  68. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 8:49 am

    Oh dear, I’ve just seen that our comments crossed.

    Please reconsider, Mary, bearing in mind that the garden might need you whereas we don’t?

    But whatever you decide, have a great and productive day!

  69. Mary, all war is abhorrent. If a country, region or island wants independence by a vast majority then that should be allowed, as in the case of the Falkland Islanders in their recent referendum. But I suspect that Kiev wants to treat Ukraine like Westminster treats Newcastle and the North of England in general, telling them you do the manual dirty work, and we’ll strut around in pin-striped suits. You keep the money coming in and we’ll keep counting it.

  70. Oddie, I don’t like John Kerry, but climate change is a very big problem that none of the main parties, and certainly not UKIP, can solve. The culpability lies, as I see it, with the US and started in the late sixties when Billy McCormac, father of the man who works in Sweden in partnership with Karl Rove to get Reinfeldt re-elected, was conducting high-atmospheric nuclear explosions causing a depletion of the ozone layer. This is destroying the coral reef around Australia and melting Antarctica. It is probably too late for the world so you are better off keeping your head in the sand as long as it’s not too close to the seashore.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2014/05/19/antarcticas-accelerating-ice-collapse-massive-sea-level-rise-in-decades/

    As with their wars the Yanks never do this shit on their own doorstep.

  71. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 10:09 am

    a depletion of the ozone layer. This is destroying the coral reef around Australia and melting Antarctica.

    No. Not on its own. Ozone depletion may contribute to the former by increasing solar UV irradiance, but high temperatures and ocean acidification (due to increased dissolved CO2) are much more important:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_bleaching

    Ditto Antarctica:

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/12/antarctic-ice-melt.html

  72. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 10:14 am

    …and ozone depletion is generally agreed to be due to emissions of refrigerant gases worldwide. Controls have not proved 100% effective, and new CFC’s were identified recently. Their source will be difficult to establish, but it is rather less likely to be the US than India or China.

    http://ec.europa.eu/environment/integration/research/newsalert/pdf/372na1.pdf

  73. Unbelievably they are still counting in Tower Hamlets!

    27 May 2014 10:13
    Tower Hamlets count to restart after two suspensions
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27585346

  74. The resident inviligator/interrogator is, as usual, displaying his vicarious nature.

  75. Thanks Ba’al for your explanations. I’m not sure the science about CO2s is correct. It is too convenient to blame it on ordinary people, though I do not doubt that CO2 gases can cause depletion of ozone. I confess I don’t have the science but I can remember dentists telling us to brush our teeth side to side, then it was up and down, then it was circular, that filling your teeth was better for you than leaving them alone, and false teeth were better for you than the ones you were blessed with, and much of it turned out to be shit. Science and scientific explanations for events can historically prove to be as false as false teeth.

  76. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 11:05 am

    Your criteria for belief are different to mine, John. Let’s leave it at that.

  77. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 11:24 am

    He’s never far away. Ok, he’s just back from Kazakhstan.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2640015/We-not-bothered-migration-Blair-criticised-complaining-voters-elected-Ukip-MEPs.html

    Elsewhere on record as saying:

    You look a little bit beneath that Ukip facade and you see something, in my view, pretty nasty and unpleasant.

    Didn’t look under the regime’s facade in Astana last week, did you, Tone? Hard to find out what you did contribute, apart from some platitudinous noises about globalisation.

    Of no interest to the Faith Foundation ™ –

    http://barthsnotes.com/2014/05/23/kazakh-atheist-may-face-seven-year-sentence/

  78. The BBC version who give him a lot of house room. Is that the Purnell effect at work?

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/freedom-cheaper-than-iraq-war/#comment-459099

  79. Who is behind the ICM poll giving the thumbs down to Clegg?

    Nick Clegg and Lib Dems face wipeout in damning opinion poll verdict
    Exclusive: Internal ICM polling shows Clegg would lose his Sheffield Hallam seat in 2015
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/nick-clegg-and-lib-dems-face-battle-for-survival

    It was being said that it was a wealthy LD donor.

  80. ICM are also saying this about Scotland.

    What future for the British brand?
    In the event of Scottish independence a third of Britons are less likely to deal with companies based in Scotland.
    https://www.icmresearch.com/data/media/posts/slideshow/scot-1.png

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICM_Research Very little info there.

    Company Check

    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/02571387/ICM-RESEARCH-LIMITED/directors-shareholders

    Parent http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00210505/CRESTON-PLC/directors-shareholders
    Crikey! Assets £37.6m

    City Group plc is a ‘director’ of both companies. Can a plc be a director? I don’t know.
    http://www.city-group.com/

  81. My congratulation to Molly Scott cato, newly elected Green MEP for the South West. She is an economist who will make some very pertinent points to the accounting methods and silence at display by the auditors of the EU, I’m sure.

    Wheter she will make a ban on freemasons in public office the biggest ever feminist issue to be righted, is to be seen.
    Labour performed dismally, just made sure their supporters came out, an election decided by those who did not vote.

    In South Norfolk UKIP nearly pipped the Tories and the Greens were the fourth party, not the Lib Dems. If UKIP would field a locally well known person as their GE candidate they might be able to get elected.

    http://www.south-norfolk.gov.uk/democracy/media/South_Norfolk_Result_of_Poll.pdf

  82. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 2:30 pm

    Guess who’s coming to Rossendale and Darwen…

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/will-straw-im-deeply-angry-with-blair-for-taking-us-to-war-and-for-the-shoddy-way-he-betrayed-my-fathers-loyalty-6732417.html?action=gallery&ino=3

    Think you’ll find your new constituents are deeply-angry-with-blair, too, Will. But also with your dad. For-facilitating-uncontrolled-mass-immigration and progressing-universal-surveillance, perhaps.

  83. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 2:34 pm

    100% of the LibDem’s MEP’s are women though….score 100 feminist points.

    That’s all one of her.

    http://www.libdems.org.uk/meps

    Complete list.

  84. Thanks for that link, Ba’al, that could have been me being put in jail for the exact same reasons, what a dangerous farce, poor sod.

    TB was giving artificial resucitation/advice to Radio 4 this morning, as if it was their ultimate arbiter, the indefinate answer to the problem of rightwing parties exploiting otherness and imigration in Europe.

    In Peterborough and Blackburn with Darwen Labour thugs beat up UKIP candidates, alledgedly, the other Blair legacy from the attack on Iraq.

    Has the BBC not learned enough from his lying days that they still attach themselves to his navel?

  85. Phew, that earlier comment grew somewhat beyond its original origins.

    What has become apparent in short is that BBC ARE the NO campaign, the rancid brain and the bloated bulk of it -they’re not helping it, supporting it or anything so ordinary: they comprise it, not content with mis-reporting and biased commentary on politics, they’ve joined in and are running the NO show, this is mission creep at its terrifying worst. The other parties, the NO-bodies are just the supporting cast playing all other parts.

  86. ‘My congratulation to Molly Scott cato, newly elected Green MEP for the South West. She is an economist who will make some very pertinent points to the accounting methods and silence at display by the auditors of the EU, I’m sure.’

    Everyone had hopes that Ms Andreasen would expose the frauds within but what happened? She got sacked, joined UKIP and left them to join the Tories.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marta_Andreasen

  87. I do not know Ms Andeasen, but I do know Molly scott Cato. All the power to her arms, I wish her well.

  88. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 3:39 pm

    I also was mystified by Radio 4 wheeling the million-dollar pariah in, this morning. Fortunately I was elsewhere when he spoke. Summaries I have seen suggest that he is as usual talking complete bollocks and has no real understanding of the situation as it applies to Nude Labour. Labour has to admit that there is a huge mismatch between massive immigration and the provision of housing, services and jobs in an economy which assumes that real wages at the lower end of the scale must continue to drop. To that extent it has to agree with UKIP. Then, the problem admitted, it can offer alternative solutions. If it has any.

    BTW, anyone know where all the letter ‘t”s dropped by Osborne lately might be recovered? He’s developed a terminal case of what we lovers of English call “Demo’ic Glo”al Stop”. I think this may be down to UKIP, too, as the hapless toff tries to adapt to Essex Man.

  89. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 3:49 pm

    “BTW, anyone know where all the letter ‘t”s dropped by Osborne lately might be recovered? He’s developed a terminal case of what we lovers of English call “Demo’ic Glo”al Stop”. I think this may be down to UKIP, too, as the hapless toff tries to adapt to Essex Man.”
    ______________________

    Well, he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. I agree it is pathetic for grown men to affect an Essex Man accent – the accent of the uneducated vulgarian – but you see, the problem is that if he speaks with his normal, good accent you’d immediately have middle-class ignoramuses like Mary bitching on about his “poshness” and how “out of touch” he is.

    Of course, the vulgar accent holds sway these days wherever you listen and look. It’s all very sad.

  90. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 4:08 pm

    Memories….

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18569101

    On Friday Mr Miliband said that Labour had made a mistake in allowing unlimited access to work in the UK when the first wave of eastern European countries joined the EU.

    Asked about the criticism, Mr Blair said: “I think it’s fair in some ways – I actually took the decision.

    Copyright 2012, Anthony “Jesus Calls Me Tony” Blair Associates LLP

  91. We are not supposed to have a class system now. We are ALL in it together. Remember or were you somewhere else at the time when Agent Cameon was sounding off? Anyway, it proves what phonies Gideon and his crowd are.

    http://www.newstalk.ie/Growing-numbers-taking-lessons-to-sound-less-posh

    btw I am not middle class. I come from working class roots of which I am very proud.

    Shirley Williams has just been on Sky News defending Clegg. What a fine man. Noble too for joining in a coalition to save the country! Nothing whatsoever to do with a grab by him for power.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1269595/nick-clegg-it-has-been-a-massive-set-back

  92. PS I cannot prevent the troll including slurs against me or mentions of me in his comments.

  93. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 5:00 pm

    Mary

    “btw I am not middle class. I come from working class roots of which I am very proud.”
    ___________________

    Evasive. Your roots may well be working class (and there is no reason for you not to be proud of them), but you are – in the here and now – firmly middle class.

    Or do you wish to deny that?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    On George Osborne’s accent: can you assure me that if he were to speak only in his normal, good accent, you would not at some stage – probably sooner rather than later – use that to throw a few sneers in his direction?

    **********************

    Ban estuary English and low, vulgar accents.

  94. Craig turns his back and our most pityfull cyberstalker Habby is once again acosting Mary with his spurious and shallow dalliances.

    Nothing at all to say about EU values as he has no knowledge of them, just as the rest of the misguided, fed on celebrity gossip and best EU information he has nowt but bent bananas on his mind.

  95. Craig is busy packing Nevermind. If only he could take some extra baggage with him to Spain and the baggage could then play some volleyball there to amuse himself. I think it is too wet and cold here for volleyball 😉

    PS Were the BBC exaggerating about the Norwich weather today?
    Hope you and yours are OK. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-27585524

  96. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 6:42 pm

    Nevermind

    “he has nowt but bent bananas on his mind.”
    _______________

    And you sound as if you have a bent banana lodged firmly in your fundament

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Mary

    Don’t worry, I’ll soon be beach volley-ing away again (NOT volleyball, that’s for the girls!), gamboling around on the beaches, flirting with the ladies, yacking away with friends and so so. But never fear, I shall continue to keep a vigilant eye open for this blog, willing as always to praise and to censure without fear or favour and keen to follow progress.

    But to business and I’ll ask you again Mary : do you consider yourself to be middle class or not?

    All the indicators point in that direction, but do feel free to tell me I’m mistaken.

  97. No Mary, it was attrocious all day with more to come tommorrow.

  98. As the troll seems to be obsessed with ‘class’ perhaps we could be told where he sees himself fitting in.

    People are people. I do not like divisiveness of any kind.

    Class – a system of ordering society whereby people are divided into sets based on perceived social or economic status.

  99. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 8:18 pm

    Mary

    “As the troll seems to be obsessed with ‘class’ perhaps we could be told where he sees himself fitting in.

    People are people. I do not like divisiveness of any kind.”
    ______________________–

    But you do your best, through your posts, to foster divisiveness.

    Your answer really won’t do.

    When you’re not wittering on about Israel/Palestine you spend a lot of time denouncing the Royal Family, the rich, the successful as well as those who are married or even just related to any of the latter; and you spend a lot of time defending (as you see it) the oppressed workers, wage slaves and underpriviledged.

    So I was merely wondering whether you were yourself one of the sufferings masses on whose behalf you so often post or whether you were a Tony Crosland or Tony Benn type of person who leads a relatively (even very) comfortable middle-class type of life while at the same time issuing a steady stream of denunciations.

    No criticism intended, just asking out of interest ‘coz you’re such a frequent commenter and usually negatively.

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    La vita è bella, life is good!

  100. You are very boring. I am not responding as I am sure people coming here do not wish to read such drivel nor do I wish to be involved in your attempt to dominate the thread with it.

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