Cui Bono?

by craig on June 17, 2014 8:18 pm in Uncategorized

Brazilian crowd whiter than a Broederbond meeting. Hard to enjoy the match without thinking of the 25 billion dollars squandered on the tournament by the Brazilian government – and plainly attendance is restricted to rich white people.

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  1. And no news on the poor people squatting near the main stadium brutally attacked by police when they tried to demonstrate for their basic human rights! Seems the news channels are focusing more on multi million dollar so called football stars rather then oppression in the favelas.

  2. Talk about not seeing when looking. I have only just noticed ‘Vauntie Cybernat’ in the banner. Has is been there for long?

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/cybernats-and-phantoms/

  3. You’re probably mostly right, but I think it’s also partly that the cameramen are racists (and also perverts)!

  4. Need Food Not Football: Brazil’s Anti-Fifa World Cup Graffiti

    http://www.graphicdesign.com/article/anti-fifa-world-cup-graffiti/#.U6Cjtqhn8zU

  5. lucythediclonius

    17 Jun, 2014 - 10:04 pm

    Referee was frankly disappointing.Missed two or three clear opportunities to grant a dodgy penalty.

  6. Dreolin,

    Those images are interesting but the friggin page is link bait for a marketing whore web site. The spectacle will use anything to sell us consumerism. Food not football? The irony is haunting.

  7. Lucy

    Yes – if there had been a straight referee for the first game Brazil would be well on the way to being knocked out now

  8. Sorry Phil, I didn’t notice!

  9. Resident Dissident

    17 Jun, 2014 - 10:51 pm

    Yes 3 out of the 4 BRICS have all spent vast amounts on vanity sporting projects and all have eye watering levels of inequality – yet our ersatz lefties all see them as models to which we should aspire!

  10. Chee Bai Charlie

    17 Jun, 2014 - 11:09 pm

    For those interested in the subject of match fixing and it’s connection to squeaky clean Singapore, a new article by Declan Hill is up at:
    http://www.declanhill.com/blog/item/the-officials-and-the-fixers

  11. The white crowd in football stadiums is not a world cup exception, on the years 2000 the entrances´s prices increased in Brazil. One of the reasons was the violence inside the stadiums. Now they are called Arenas (Fifa Standard). It is good that is safer and more modern, but more and more the game is distant from the crowd. If you think about money, football is hard to enjoy anywhere.

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  13. On Tuesday, British prime minister David Cameron, an Israeli poodle, announced that his government has decided to re-open its embassy in Tehran. He said the decision was made after realization that Iran under the presidency of Sheikh Hassan Rouhani can play a positive role in the region especially the conflict in Syria and Iraq.

    Talking to media representatives in Vienna on Tuesday, Iran’s deputy foreign minister Majid Takhte-Ravanchi said that exchanging ambassadors between the two countries was not on the agenda for now.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/18/london-to-re-open-its-embassy-in-tehran/

  14. Argentina 1978 excepted, it seems to me that white, middle class crowds have always been a feature of world cups going back until at least the 1970.

  15. As RD is so obsessed about the rise of the BRICs (worried perhaps at the decline of the USUKIsNATO alliance), here is a different brick for him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgdMmYG8aU

  16. Res Diss

    ‘Yes 3 out of the 4 BRICS have all spent vast amounts on vanity sporting projects and all have eye watering levels of inequality – yet our ersatz lefties all see them as models to which we should aspire!’

    But we already have eye-watering levels of inequality and recently spent a shed load of money on a vanity sporting project so what is there to aspire to?

  17. For 250,000 Brazilians, there is little to cheer about as the World Cup has made them homeless.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/05/brazil-evicted-won-celebrate-world-cup-201452012437552695.html
    It really does feel like the last days of Rome sometimes.
    The inequality can’t last.

  18. A good way to protest about the waste and corruption of the World Cup:-

    Stop watching it and find something more constructive to do.

  19. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 9:31 am

    “Yes 3 out of the 4 BRICS have all spent vast amounts on vanity sporting projects and all have eye watering levels of inequality – yet our ersatz lefties all see them as models to which we should aspire!”
    __________________

    Well said, Resident Dissident, you’ve taken the words out of my mouth.

    I hope we’ll be hearing a little less in future on this blog about the BRICs being the shining new model for all of us.

  20. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 9:37 am

    “But we already have eye-watering levels of inequality and recently spent a shed load of money on a vanity sporting project so what is there to aspire to?”
    ______________________

    Another foolish comparison from KingOfWelshNoir, to accompany the foolish comparison on the previous thread.

    Inequality levels in the UK are nothing compared to those obtaining in all the BRICs.

    That may be unpalatable news for (1) the BRIC groupies on this blog and (2) the West haters on this blog, but that’s just tough. LOL

  21. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 9:45 am

    I agree with Kempe. Opiate of the masses…

    This is well written and relevant (I don’t imagine Kempe will agree):

    http://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-06-17/kamikaze-culture

  22. Never mind eh! They are back to executions by lethal injection in the US and Agent Cameron here is chairing a meeting of the National Security Council, so all’s well with the world.

    PS Brazil lost. That must have caused the BRIC haters to cheer

    oh and btw Petro has offered a ceasefire. He’s worried there might not be any Russian gas for his electorate to use come the Winter. Half way through the year already. My life!

    Ukraine’s president has proposed a unilateral ceasefire by his troops to allow pro-Russian separatists to lay down their weapons.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27902109

  23. Well said Frazer. Brazils abilities seem to reflect the overal state of society, torn apart by some who want to exploit this poor country some more for their sporting/business aims.

    If promoting the potentially fastest ferry service from Norfolk to Holland and increasing tourism here is called domestic extremism, then I’m clearly one.
    If telling useless councillors that they are useless and can’t string two sentences together means that I’m extreme, so be it, this immigrant will not be intimidated.

  24. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:29 am

    Seems the news channels are focusing more on multi million dollar so called football stars rather then oppression in the favelas.

    No money in favelas. Innit. And they are places where even hardened reporters rightly fear to tread.

    The answer is to run something like the Manx TT through plaguepits like Middlesbrough and peripheral Mexico City. Only locals would dare to be out watching, and the TV rights and advertising opportunities would be limitless. Rio, with its steep terrain and moderately endemic hunger, would be a natural for competitive cheese rolling, maybe.

  25. “This is well written and relevant ”

    Not so sure about it being that well written but it does in many ways echo the warning Sir Kenneth Clark gave about heroic materialism back in 1969.

    http://www.wordonfire.org/Written-Word/articles-commentaries/September-2010/Kenneth-Clark-and-the-Danger-of-Heroic-Materialism.aspx

  26. Mary “oh and btw Petro has offered a ceasefire. He’s worried there might not be any Russian gas for his electorate to use come the Winter. Half way through the year already. My life!”

    BTW-Russia also supplies ALL the fuel for Ukrainian power plants, which will be the next step. After which a small squeeze on oil (Russia exports MORE than KSA) and yats will be off to israel in a jiffy before the freezing Ukrainians hang him.

  27. “Yes – if there had been a straight referee for the first game Brazil would be well on the way to being knocked out now.”

    As it is it just looks like our lot are on their way to being knocked out, yet they played remarkably well. Hope that’s not right, but has a high possibility.

    P.S. Tomorrow marks two years of asylum for Julian Assange. Another refereeing travesty.

  28. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 11:23 am

    Thanks for that, Kempe. Not sure I agree I definitely don’t agree with Fr. Barron’s conclusion – proselytise, proselytise, proselytise – but a good contribution. In Clark’s time, the purely materialistic culture was still becoming formalised. Now it is institutional. The Market is prioritised over the needs, rights and, dammit, cultural expression of its serfs. Anything is justifiable purely in economic terms, usually untruthfully as even the word ‘economic’ has changed its meaning. And the old American model -if labour costs too much move the plant to a cheaper state – is now global.

  29. Resident Dissident
    17 Jun, 2014 – 10:51 pm
    Says:

    “Yes 3 out of the 4 BRICS have all spent vast amounts on vanity sporting projects and all have eye watering levels of inequality – yet our ersatz lefties all see them as models to which we should aspire!”
    __________________________________________________________________

    I think that countries with vast poverty levels should not host expensive international events.

    I think the priority of those countries should be lifting people out of poverty through the redistribution of wealth.

    Do you agree ResDis?

    I doubt it:

    Such policies requires (among other things) higher taxation to pay for development of housing, healthcare, infrastructure, job creation etc…

    That is prioritising the poor (majority) over the rich (minority).

    Something the wealthy individuals and corporations don’t want and will do anything to prevent by fair means or foul.

    A good illustration of this is Venezuela where rich individuals and corporations have, for years, undermined the democratically elected government, which has been trying to bring about the elimination of poverty, illiteracy and health inequality.

    Democracy, of course, is only acceptable to the likes of Resident Dissident; Habbabkuk et al, if the government elected is right-wing neoliberal capitalist.

    Any other form of government should be overthrown, violently if necessary, and replaced by one acceptable to them.

    That is their “democracy.”

  30. It might not be so bad if the host countries actually benefitted financially, FIFA will make $1.8 billion out of the World Cup on which they will pay no tax.

  31. $ 1.8 billion aint a bad take for FIFA,especially as its a non-profit organisation ..(ho ho).

  32. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 1:26 pm

    http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=news

    Not behind paywall.

    STRANGE but true: every one of the World Cup’s 3m tickets comes via a modest two-storey office building on a business park in Cheadle Royal, south Manchester – some through the front door, others through the back door and into the black market.

    The proprietors, Mexican brothers Jaime and Enrique Byrom, chums of disgraced bribe-taker and former Fifa president Joao Havelange, who have enjoyed exclusive World Cup ticket concessions for many years, are now guaranteed them for another decade under their latest deal with Sepp Blatter and his scrupulously honest executive committee. Whether the tournament is staged in Qatar, North America or Australia, the boys in Cheadle are certain winners. (snip)

  33. My Swedish agent in Brazil tells me;

    “England will beat Uruguay and Costa Rica to go through to the next round!!”

    He has more confidence than me.

  34. Habbabkuk, I see that, like the Grand Old Duke of York, you are marching your army of straw men, ‘The West Haters’, up to the top of the hill again. Take care in this hot dry weather with all that straw around. One stray spark…

  35. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    18 Jun, 2014 - 2:03 pm

    1.8 billion is what percentage of the NATO expenditures in Iraq/Afghanistan?

    a few basis points is all. BUT BRICS?FIFA is a tragic waste of resources according to our fascist enablers, but there haven’t been casualties in Brazil, have there?

  36. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    18 Jun, 2014 - 2:35 pm

    ” Iraq’s Shi’ite rulers defied Western calls on Tuesday to reach out to Sunnis to defuse the uprising in the north of the country, declaring a boycott of Iraq’s main Sunni political bloc and accusing Sunni power Saudi Arabia of promoting “genocide.””

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-17/not-going-planned-iraq-prime-minister-defies-us-accuses-saudi-arabia-genocide

    An unprecedented statement. Of course, that makes the US complicit with the Wahabis.

  37. Just as the Zionists created the JNF to stake their claim to the Palestinians homes, villages and land, the émigré Jews from Europe created the JCA in Brazil to establish a foothold.

    See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Brazil

    Agricultural Settlements

    The page seems to have started life in 2008 but cannot see who started it off.

  38. “there haven’t been casualties in Brazil, have there?”

    Don’t know about casualties, but pictures all over Twitter a few days ago of heavy police presence – in riot gear – in favelas. Even a tank.

    And this

    https://twitter.com/FutbolBible/status/478306980017496064

  39. I took Craig’s comment, on an earlier World Cup thread, that crooked officials were assisting the host country, with a pinch of salt.

    Half way into the first half of the Mexico game yesterday I had second thoughts, when a fingertip save by Julio Cesar should have resulted in a Mexican corner, but the Turkish referee turned a blind eye and awarded Brazil a goal kick instead.

    If Brazil exit before the semis, or lose on penalties thereafter, it is likely to spark major disorder in the favelas and beyond. I wouldn’t be surprised if FIFA have therefore attempted to ease the host’s passage via the appointment of sympathetic officials at all their matches.

  40. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 3:05 pm

    Christ. Clusterfuck on clusterfuck. Reminds me of the time the US abruptly ceased talking to Iran during a period of relative co-operation on the Taleban (whom Iran detests) Quid pro quo? Chess? Visceral loathing of Saudi trumps all other considerations?

    Roll on windfarms and Chinese nuclear power stations. We can ignore all these bloodthirsty cunts then.

  41. By the way Habbabkuk, I hope you don’t mind me saying, but I think the acronym LOL is probably a bit young for you.

  42. Another interesting picture, but I can’t be sure where it was taken. The name Blackwater makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

    https://twitter.com/mrdaveyd/status/476822087110127616

  43. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    18 Jun, 2014 - 3:26 pm

    They look like Orcs, Dre. Or. Dr Doom. I wish the Thing would sing ‘It’s clobberin’ time”.

  44. The photos came with this article. Meant to put it up before.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldcup2014/article-2631839/Rio-bocop-armed-ready-World-Cup-Elite-troops-carrying-rifles-stun-grenades-combat-knives-tackle-fans-cause-trouble-Brazil.html

    We have seen similar before, eg The G20 at Toronto June 2010.
    This came back to mind. Some of the thugs were identified by the colour markings on the soles of their boots. ttp://www.globalresearch.ca/the-toronto-g20-riot-fraud-undercover-police-engaged-in-purposeful-provocation/19928

  45. “The photos came with this article.”

    What photos Mary? Not the ones I put up from Twitter.

  46. “Integration and miscegenation were actually government policy in Brazil. Around the time that slaves were freed, in 1888, the government sought to whiten its population through the importation of European immigrants. This idea was made law by Decree 528 in 1890 and opened the country’s borders to foreign immigrants, except for those from Africa and Asia.

    “The goal of this immigration effort was depicted in an 1895 painting by Brazilian artist Modesto Brocos known as The Redemption of Ham, which features a black grandmother, mixed-race mother, white father and white baby. The grandmother stands to the left with her hands raised in prayer, praising God that her grandson is white. This, says Brazilian entrepreneur and activist Carlos Alberto David, is the “final point” of racism in Brazil.”

    Extract from here
    http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/06/world_cup_2014_racism_in_soccer_in_the_spotlight.html

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 4:51 pm

    KOWN

    “Take care in this hot dry weather with all that straw around. One stray spark…”
    __________________-

    I hear your warning, but you don’t seriously think that any of the rent-a-mob on here are going to provide the spark, do you?

    They possess neither marks nor sparks.

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 4:55 pm

    KOWN

    “By the way Habbabkuk, I hope you don’t mind me saying, but I think the acronym LOL is probably a bit young for you.”
    ____________________

    No offence taken, KOWN. In fact, I ‘ll let you into a little secret : I noticed that Mary’s used it a few times lately and so thought I might do so also, fortified by the knowledge that Mary’s a wee bit older than I.

    :) (if you’ll allow, KOWN!)

  49. doug scorgie

    18 Jun, 2014 - 4:56 pm

    Daniel
    18 Jun, 2014 – 4:58 am

    You say:

    “Argentina 1978 excepted, it seems to me that white, middle class crowds have always been a feature of world cups going back until at least the 1970.”
    ______________________________________________________

    Why would that be Daniel?

    Any explanation?

  50. All robocops look the same to me. :) Google robocops Brazil and there are dozens of images.

    This one within perhaps fits the bill.
    http://warriorpublications.wordpress.com/2014/06/12/the-world-cup-mega-disaster-is-on/

    MrDaveyD put his tweet up on June 11 with that double photo.

    MrDaveyD @mrdaveyd · Jun 11

    Aaah the world cup.. a pretense for military games.. I see ya down there in Brazil Blackwater..I see ya.. pic.twitter.com/3Rl6YNm5lv
    Embedded image permalink

    Isn’t he out of date with the name. I thought it was Xe and then Academi, or vice versa.

  51. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 5:02 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    BTW, I have a question for you from the previous thread which you appear to have overlooked:

    “Almost daily, eh.

    On a point of information, can you let us know how many drone strikes have been authorised on targets in Pakistan and Afghanistan since the beginning of this year?

    The information is available to the public, but in the light of your comment (above)I would like you to have the pleasure of telling us.”

    Off you go, Doug.

  52. Brazilians seem to be very uncivilized people. In October 2012, visiting Brazilian Foreign Minister Antonio Patriota told Israeli president Shimon Peres that Israel’s threats of military action against the Islamic Republic (just propaganda barking to force Obama to attack Iran on Israel’s behalf during the election year) over its nuclear program are dangerous to the stability of the Middle East. In response, Shimon Peres, whom his fellow American Jewish writer, Stephen Lendman, called a war criminal – told Patriota that his government should boycott Iranian President Dr. Ahmadinejad.

    “We expect Brazil to boycott future meetings with Ahmadinejad. When we met in 2010, I told former president Lula that it was a mistake to sit and talk with Ahmadinejad. Do not be mistaken, Iran is developing nuclear weapons. The Iranian nuclear threat casts a heavy shadow over the whole region,” Peres told Brazilian foreign minister.

    “All the options must be on the table, we would all prefer to solve the problem through negotiations or economic sanctions but if those methods fail the military option will remain and will be serious and credible,” Peres added.

    Patriota also stressed in his meeting with Peres the need for progress in the diplomatic process with the Palestinians. “We are very aware of the tensions in the region; this is a source of great concern for Brazil. We look at some of the situations around the region with concern. We would also like to see peace between Israel and the Palestinians,” he told Peres.

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/10/16/peres-tells-brazil-to-boycott-ahmadinejad/

  53. doug scorgie

    18 Jun, 2014 - 5:21 pm

    My post:
    18 Jun, 2014 – 11:38 am:

    …has been totally ignored by Resident Dissident and Habbabkuk.

    Are they scared to engage in serious debate on the issues I raised?

    Yes, of course.

    They go weak at the knees when any challenge to their ideology is made.

    They simply ignore or insult the messenger.

  54. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 5:58 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “They simply ignore or insult the messenger.”
    ______________________

    The above characterises very nicely the behaviour of the Eminences and their useful idiots, whereas even a cursory glance at any thread will show that Resident Dissident and I (and others) are always ready to engage in vigorous debate and challenge the pensée unique of this blog.

    In that context, may I remind you of the question I posed yesterday concerning the frequency and number of drone strikes (you has said that they occurred “almost daily”)? In case you have already forgotten the question, I’ve re-posted it on this thread at 17h02 today). Look forward to your figures.

  55. “Hard to enjoy the match without thinking of the 25 billion dollars squandered on the tournament by the Brazilian government. . .”

    Gilbert Mercier says very much the same.

  56. I answered the troll partially on drone strikes on the Deadly Fiasco thread.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/06/deadly-fiasco/comment-page-3/#comment-461859

    He didn’t like it and has just said:

    ‘Mary

    “And who invented the evil Predator? Why, one Abraham Karem of course, now in the US, but originally a designer in the Israeli air force.”
    _________________

    Why the “of course” – because he’s a Jew/Israeli?

    *******************

    Habbabkuk says fight racism and hate-speech.’

    ~~

    Note I said nothing about Jews. I do like the way in which extracts from our posts are repeated. Very useful. All publicity is welcome.

    He should go on that BBC 1 programme Pointless. Should be a winner.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    BBC London News have just reported on the 2nd anniversary of Julian Assange’s incarceration in Ecuador’s embassy. They used the phrase ‘facing trial in Sweden’, which is a lie, and were most exercised about the cost so far to the Met for the police presence, £2m.

    LET JULIAN ASSANGE GO FREE!

  57. doug scorgie

    18 Jun, 2014 - 7:56 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    18 Jun, 2014 – 5:58 pm

    “On a point of information, can you let us know how many drone strikes have been authorised on targets in Pakistan and Afghanistan since the beginning of this year?”

    As you know Habbabkuk US drone strikes were suspended for five months to allow the Pakistan government to have Peace talks with the Taliban.

    The drone strikes have now started again though I admit the use of the term “daily basis” was overstating the frequency.

    Now please answer the points I made on 18 Jun, 2014 – 11:38 am.

    I will allow you some time to confer with Resident Dissident on any reply you make.

  58. Did anyone see this?

    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/89056233474/ed-miliband-speech-to-labour-friends-of-israel

    What planet is he on?

    Sorry if this has already been posted.

  59. “BBC London News have just reported on the 2nd anniversary of Julian Assange’s incarceration in Ecuador’s embassy. They used the phrase ‘facing trial in Sweden’, which is a lie, and were most exercised about the cost so far to the Met for the police presence, £2m.

    LET JULIAN ASSANGE GO FREE!”

    Mary, I mentioned the cost in my article, of not £2m but £7 million based on figures published 6 months ago.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2014/06/17/swedens-politically-motivated-persecution-of-wikileaks-assange/

    Figures can of course be misleading but what is worse than the cost to the taxpayer is the despicable manner in which Australia has let down their citizen in sycophantic homage to its puppeteer, Uncle Sam.

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/the-hypocrisy-of-australian-foreign.html

    I realise this is not football, I’m watching the world cup champions going down to Chile, which following their other defeat does not, at this point in time look good for their chances of qualifying should everything remain the same. I have no doubt Professor Marcello Ferrada de Noli will be pleased that his native Chile, where he was imprisoned under Pinochet, are winning. He has been and still is an ardent campaigner for the Wikileaks founder.

    LET JULIAN ASSANGE GO FREE!

  60. Just as I posted my comment Chile went 2 – 0 up.

  61. A crawling Milliband gushes:

    “I want you to know that if I become Prime Minister in less than a year’s time, I will be proud to do so as a friend of Israel, a Jew and, most of all, someone who feels so proud to be part of the community gathered here today.”

    Seems it’s got as bad as Amerika. You can’t get elected in Britain unless you first prostrate yourself at the feet of Israel and its criminal elites.

    Britain, Europe and the US have no future unless they put their own interests before those of Israel.

    There’s no sign that’ll happen until we rid ourselves of the current class of political creeps.

  62. No Aidworker1 it had not been posted. I read it through growing more despondent by the minute. He is a disgrace. One thing though, he will never be PM and Liebour have had it especially so recently connected to Blair the war criminal.

    We have no electoral choices whatsoever at the present time.

  63. Mary Herbie,

    Coming home today I though exactly that. We have no electoral choices whatsoever.

    It’s depressing and any dissent will be met by watercannon.

  64. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 9:55 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “The drone strikes have now started again though I admit the use of the term “daily basis” was overstating the frequency.”

    ______________________

    Thank you for admitting you exaggerated when you claimed that drones strikes take place “almost daily”.

    In fact, on the figures your mother (Mary) supplied and figures I’ve looked up myself there have been (very roughly) 300 drones strikes on all countries (ie not just Pakistan) under President Obama’s watch. That is equivalent (again, very roughly) to about one a week.

    Hence you over-stated your case by a factor of 7.

  65. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 9:59 pm

    Mary

    “He didn’t like it and has just said:

    ‘Mary

    “And who invented the evil Predator? Why, one Abraham Karem of course, now in the US, but originally a designer in the Israeli air force.”
    _________________

    Why the “of course” – because he’s a Jew/Israeli?”

    ************************

    Go on, Mary, answer the question – why the “of course” in your comment?

    Why Abraham Karem “of course”??

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:03 pm

    This comment of Mary’s:

    “And who invented the evil Predator? Why, one Abraham Karem of course, now in the US, but originally a designer in the Israeli air force.”

    would, ironically, be more at home on Stormfront* than on CM.

    Shameful and vile.

    _____________________
    * where Mary was once suspected of commenting (we accepted her denials of course)

  67. The extent of pernicious penetration and power is so much so that none dares to point to the origins of the power and its source for fear of “antisemi,…….” and the usual barrage of insults and epithets (that is the degree of control, note the number of shills permanently assigned to push the prescribed narrative and keep the proscribed notions of “fools” in check);

    Musings of a “Tokyo Rose”, “Lord Haw-Haw”, and a poopy pants second rate ……..

    It is cheaper to buy a “congressman/Member of Parliament/Apparatchik” from the western Parliaments/Congress/Senates emporiums than a tank, the former provide the soldiers too at no extra cost, to fight the wars they are ordered to, at considerably less costs, and great savings!

    Depressing is mentioned? Obviously domestic extremists and haters to a man!!!

  68. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:17 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    Now that you have admitted your exaggeration, I propose to salute that rare event by quickly answering the two questions you posed. I hope you will pay attention to my answers.

    1/. “I think that countries with vast poverty levels should not host expensive international events.”
    __________________________

    I would tend to agree with that (unless in the unlikely event that another country or other countries paid the bills)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    2/. “I think the priority of those countries should be lifting people out of poverty through the redistribution of wealth.”

    _________________________

    I agree that lifting its people out of poverty should be a priority; whether it should be the first priority, however, might depend on the characteristics of that country and the exact circumstances it finds itself in. Furthermore, whether this should be achieved solely through the redistribution of wealth, as your statement seems to imply, might be a matter for discussion in that it is possible that a palette of means might be called for/be more effective.

    PS – you will have to take those answers as they stand; as the saying goes “The Editor will not enter into correspondence on this matter”. :) But in exchange, I shall not press you for answers to various outstanding questions from me.

    ***********************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  69. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:19 pm

    Fedup

    Your language seems to have improved since you last put in an appearance on this blog and so it is with some diffidence that I would respectfully ask you to:

    fuck off.

    Thank you.

  70. Jack Fletcher

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:28 pm

    Spectator demographics is a weak fundament for the argument being presented here. A good case is snooker where the level of diversity among spectator demographics bears so little resemblance to player demographics. And if you compare tv spectator demographics versus physically present spectators you get a totally different dynamic picture. Don’t please muck around with presenting crass argument based on personal impression and then somehow pretend that it is an educated observation. Just present your case as a personal impression. As it stands your blog entry this time round says more about your prejudices than those you present as defending your argument.

  71. Is the cheap sherry kicking in? Sound out of control..
    Your facile question containing another pathetic Storm front slur was answered much earlier on the Deadly Fiasco post. You are both deadly and a fiasco. Go to bed and sleep it off.

  72. Resident Dissident

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:48 pm

    @scourge

    My post:
    18 Jun, 2014 – 11:38 am:

    …has been totally ignored by Resident Dissident and Habbabkuk.

    Until about an hour a go I’ve been doing a little thing called work – you really should try it sometimes as you clearly need something to stretch your rather lazy brain.

    So let’s look at your original post:

    “I think that countries with vast poverty levels should not host expensive international events.

    I think the priority of those countries should be lifting people out of poverty through the redistribution of wealth.

    Do you agree ResDis?

    I doubt it:”

    Well actually I do – as would almost every other believer in social democracy and Keynesianism like myself – where we of course differ is the means of achieving that progress – the little word “democracy” and also believe that the market mechanism has a part to play in the allocation of resources.

    “Such policies requires (among other things) higher taxation to pay for development of housing, healthcare, infrastructure, job creation etc…

    That is prioritising the poor (majority) over the rich (minority).”

    Well again here I agree – but before you go expounding the superiority of the BRICs perhaps you could go and do a little research and compare tax rates and public spending levels in Western European democracies on all those good things with say that in Putin’s Russia – I think once you completed your survey you may have a rather different view as to what has been achieved by our democracies despite the opposition from wealthy and individuals and corporations and their fair and foul means. You see if you can convince people of the strength of your arguments (difficult in your case admittedly), show some basic competence and on going respect for democratic means – then those who wish to oppose will find it rather more difficult.

    “A good illustration of this is Venezuela where rich individuals and corporations have, for years, undermined the democratically elected government, which has been trying to bring about the elimination of poverty, illiteracy and health inequality.”

    NO this is not a good illustration – the people in charge have failed to show basic economic competence, a disregard for the better features of market economies, not a little corruption, together with a disdain for freedom of speech and other basic liberties which has then allowed their opponents to legitimately claim their commitment to democracy and liberty is skin deep and as a result erode their core support. I’m afraid this level of incompetence is often associated with the infantile leftism than you support – which does not realise that democracies work by making coalitions with some of those that do not fully share your thinking ( at a rough guess something in excess of 99% of the population in your case)

    “Democracy, of course, is only acceptable to the likes of Resident Dissident; Habbabkuk et al, if the government elected is right-wing neoliberal capitalist.”

    Well Habba can speak for himself and my guess he would like to a right of centre government as opposed to the more left of centre one that I would favour – but I should add that we probably both agree that despite all your protestations to the contrary we are both quite happy with systems where governments can change in response to what people want and where they are offered a choice, and then their periodic decisions are respected. You will of course say that such a choice is illusory – but then rather bizarrely back regimes where the alternatives offered are even narrower and the freedom to campaign and argue for a change is even more limited.

    Might I ever so kindly suggest that the main reason why democracy doesn’t work for you is that your ideas are so obviously flawed that they will never convince a sufficient number of people to support them – and that rather than seeking to elect another people it might be your ideas that perhaps need a little bit of examination before they are given any further airing in public. I come from a family with a long radical history and was given an upbringing that was well versed in democratic socialist thinking and lets just say if you cannot even start to convince me and others from a similar political background – lets just say you days as a political irrelevance are likely to continue for a long long time.

    Just a hint if you want to set up a straw man try and make it look just a little bit realistic.

  73. Resident Dissident

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:54 pm

    “We have no electoral choices whatsoever at the present time.”

    So can we expect to see LAdy Dorking, and her over powering arguments, on the Ballot paper in Surrey Central at the next General Election? Or don’t you have the courage of your convictions?

  74. Resident Dissident

    18 Jun, 2014 - 11:00 pm

    @Aidworker

    “Coming home today I though exactly that. We have no electoral choices whatsoever.”

    Very easy to register yourself as a candidate and then we would have an electoral choice – what you really mean is that you know that next to no one could be convinced to vote for your crackpot ideas so best to try and bring them about through other means. Meanwhile you prefer to defecate all over the memories of our descendants who fought tooth and nail for the democratic freedoms that we have.

  75. Resident Dissident

    18 Jun, 2014 - 11:03 pm

    I always find it slightly ominous how those who attack western democracy are always rather less vocal on the alternatives that they would like to see.

  76. Resident Dissident

    18 Jun, 2014 - 11:09 pm

    “Just as I posted my comment Chile went 2 – 0 up.”

    I suppose the linkage between these events is rather greater than we normally see from this source. Lets talk about how Mother Russia scraped a lucky draw against plucky South Korea – surely punishment for all those tanks and other military goodies they let slip into Ukraine.

  77. Fedup

    Well said…Been a while, nice to see ya back

    P.S Don’t fall for it

    P.P.S. An old regular returns after a Long absence… And is told to fuck off… No Debate… Just Fuck off

    Mods FFs

  78. ” I always find it slightly ominous how those who attack western democracy are always rather less vocal on the alternatives that they would like to see.”

    Include.

  79. I’m getting that déjà vu feeling all over again:

    Resident Dissident (18 Jun, 2014 – 11:00 pm) wrote:

    “Meanwhile you prefer to defecate all over the memories of our descendants who fought tooth and nail for the democratic freedoms that we have.”

    You mean antecedents/ancestors, surely? Please try to do better. Jacket: Shaky nail.

    Next!

  80. Resident Dissident 18 Jun, 2014 – 11:03 pm

    “I always find it slightly ominous how those who attack western democracy are always rather less vocal on the alternatives that they would like to see.”

    I’d settle for a form of democracy that works. It is plain that ours doesn’t, otherwise ‘we’ wouldn’t be spending billions imposing it on middle east oil-producing countries.

    Direct democracy is the most promising system that I am aware of, and I would gladly swap it for our system. A recent example of a country using this system led to such unheard of improvements in standards of health, education, wealth and gender equality, housing, employment, national prosperity, infrastructure, and general standard of living, that less successful democracies invaded it and had its leader horrifically beaten to death in front of TV cameras to discourage other countries from trying it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

  81. They fought tooth AND nail. How unusual.

  82. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:04 am

    ‘I always find it slightly ominous how those who attack western democracy are always rather less vocal on the alternatives that they would like to see.”

    I’ve noticed that you and Hab are always the last to see and respond to undeserved replies. Stop repeating the same inane bullshit and try reading along with comprehension of same.

  83. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:19 am

    BTW; Also stop the pusillanimous drive-bys. Your pot shots reveal a cowardly foundation, RD.

  84. Fedup.

    Let me join with Brian in welcoming you back.

    Your return got Dad and RD all excited and competing to see who could earn the first bonus.

    Dad is confident that his debating classes have put him ahead of the game and I have to admit his nuanced (“Fuck off.”) was, by his standards, pretty impressive.

    But I think tonight’s award has to go to RD ( “…you prefer to defecate all over the memories of our descendants.”

    Who can argue with that?

    However hard our Deadly Duo try tough, I don’t believe they’ll ever match Putin’s secret propaganda weapon. Here she is explaining the latest Ukrainian peace initiatives…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY2ghdAUpf4

  85. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:36 am

    RD and Habdad frequently debate with a frenzied circular firing squad’s competence, or a round-in-the-chamber accident.

    http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/macon/2014/06/16/crime-reports-macon-june-16/10631943/

  86. BrianFujisan

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:38 am

    Cameroon, Deary, Deary Me…And Spain WTF.

    Best stick to other matters….Such as –

    This Brilliant, Brilliant, interview – 8th june…
    R.T. with the Wise DR Jan Oberg.

    It Covers Very Much.. Nato, Russia, Ukraine, industrial military complex, Nuclear policy, MSM, Ect, Ect… EVEN PEACE… And More PEACE….

    So i dedicate this to all PEACE WISHER’S…. And also Oor Very Own Peacewisher

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAbVwAqpFwk

  87. Pope Francis: ‘Inside every Christian is a Jew’!

    Don’t you love this guy!

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/19/pope-francis-inside-every-christian-is-a-jew/

  88. Brazil – then – and now?

    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/brazil-inconvenient-history/

    Interesting.

  89. What a piece of work. That is Cathy Newman of Channel 4 News last night in her failed attempt to harangue Julian Assange on a mobile outside the Embassy. She got Michael Ratner instead, his lawyer. She would hardly let him speak.

    In this thread on medialens, ‘Brooks’ has made a transcript of her comments and parses them. This was the British corporate media in full flow.

    I thought this one of hers was ace. She is referring to supporters like John Pilger and Craig Murray who I am sure have continued to stick by Julian.

    ‘Newman…One by one, supporters of Julian Assange have become disillusioned.’

    ~~~

    And by the way Resident Dissident, I keep telling you that there is no such person as Lady Dorking and why would I want to join any of the fascists in Pugin’s Palace or County Hall anyway. I think you have to go to the root of our ‘democratic’ system, ie a parish council to see democracy in action. Any interests are honestly declared and there is proper representation. In the borough council and county council systems there is greed, preferment, collusion and gross inefficiency. Councillors are party political and that is the problem as they act at the central government’s bidding like sheep. An Independent or a Ratepayers’ representative is now a rare beast.

    Did you enjoy firing out your five posts last night in the space of 20 mins? Do you have your comments all ready prepared on a pro forma system? You are a really impressive contributor here!

  90. Link to the Cathy Newman/Julian Assange thread.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1403126808.html

  91. Paxman packed up last night but I bet it’s not the last we see of him on the box. Earlier in the day he was shown on the back of a wobbly tandem with the ambitious and faux buffoon Boris.

    I like this tweet. Says it all.

    Tony Shenton
    @tony_shenton

    Paxman willingly riding a tandem bike steered by Boris Johnson. A better metaphor for the current state of @BBCNews would be hard to imagine

    10:37 p.m. Wed, Jun 18

    Paxman is said to ‘earn’ £1m from the licence fee pot.
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jul/13/bbc-pay-cuts-million-pound-stars

    He was given a nice little series to do on WW1 which coincided with the publication of his spin off book Great Britain’s Great War. Both were dull and pedestrian. Who wants to be reminded again of that terrible slaughter? We have had enough recent bloodshed. The ‘lessons to be learned’ go unlearned.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/book-review-great-britains-great-war-by-jeremy-paxmanfighting-on-the-home-front-by-kate-adie-8886724.html

  92. “Pope Francis: ‘Inside every Christian is a Jew’!”

    Wow, our very Catholic habba (and CMs personal court jester) is even known personally to his Pope , bwahahahahahaha !

  93. Resident Dissident

    19 Jun, 2014 - 7:00 am

    You mean antecedents/ancestors, surely?

    Yes – but is that the best you can do – really?

    Anode

    And what do you mean exactly by direct democracy – cutting out the persuading people and getting them to vote part? Or Lenin’s democratic centralism? Or sitting unwashed in a tent for many weeks claiming that you are part of the 99%? I’m afraid a little more precision is required.

  94. This is absolutely classic. The same speech made by the Australian and Canadian heads of state two days apart which helped take us into an illegal war in Iraq. Who pulls the strings in Resident Dissident and Habbabkuk’s free west. Any relevant comment welcome from non-eminences.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvnaLs_jsI4#t=92

  95. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 8:22 am

    Did anyone see this?

    http://press.labour.org.uk/post/89056233474/ed-miliband-speech-to-labour-friends-of-israel

    What planet is he on?

    That is an eye-opener.I knew he was Jewish, of course. I didn’t realise quite how Jewish. He plays it down for general consumption, but he obviously inhabits that exclusive little alternate universe with its own language and no interest whatever in UK priorities. So, Planet Israel.

  96. RD.

    I know trying to sit through those endless planning meetings with Dad can wear a person down but is that really any excuse for this morning’s offering?

    BTW A node gave you a link explaining Direct Democracy in english. How about reading then we can get to the discussion part.

    And while you are educating yourself here’s a map, courtesy of CNN which just clarify the whole ISIL / Ukraine thing…. http://en.alalam.ir/news/1593598

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