Cui Bono?

by craig on June 17, 2014 8:18 pm in Uncategorized

Brazilian crowd whiter than a Broederbond meeting. Hard to enjoy the match without thinking of the 25 billion dollars squandered on the tournament by the Brazilian government – and plainly attendance is restricted to rich white people.

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  1. As Iraq apparently further unravels we now have a stunt to build up the fake ‘anti American’ credentials of re-elected PM Maliki, whilst he still allows near free-for-all exploitation and expropriation of the oil and gas resources by western oil companies, on terms grossly unfair to all of Iraq’s people. The few crumbs given to non-US and UK oil giants to keep the international disquiet down, will be the ones seized or put out of action, unless say China for example were invited by the Iraqi puppets to provide enhanced defences for ‘their’ own few oil sites and pieces of infrastructure.

    We can expect then an incredible, against all odds victory for the Baghdad government forces armed with just some smoke-bombs and a couple of rusty swords in the hands of retired traffic wardens, against a phantom enemy, the ISIL-ISIS jobseeker soldiers, who will melt away, with their attendant battalions of film-crews, make-up artists, life coaches and catering trucks, back to and through the Syrian Golan Heights, running the gauntlet of the well-prepared Syrian military and a justifiably enraged Syrian people, only a surviving few making it back to collect their promised rewards of Saudi and Quatari money from their recruiters and paymasters, with perhaps a grinning William Hague buying them all pints. Will they get their P45s, a bullet in the head, or go on to the next round, their their next star-billing gig, some new but still recognisable variant of the well-honed Chicago gangsters’ extortion racket, in new outfits and with new regalia, could it even be next-stop Ukraine for the terror bandwagon’s big finale?

    The Mob, major organised crime in the US of A has not since the 1920s, been an Italian dominated affair, they are very minor players despite Hollywood’s deliberate and deceptive obsessions with pasta, horse’s heads on pillows and other such Sicilian baloney.

    Maliki nevertheless will go, before his expected term ends, becoming an icon of defiance of the great satan, whose name if not his person reserved for future use, to be replaced by whoever receives his golden touch for the top job, the current Shia majority have privatised, unfavourably, self-flagellatingly the Iraqi oil industry and reserves, the former governing Ba’athist Sunnis, in 1972 nationalised it, monopolising the spoils.

    All the while the oil keeps freely from the Iraqis’ balance sheet, Maliki still serves those foreign oil interests slavishly; to the credulous US TV news victims, the ‘defiant’ brave Maliki will have prevailed, democracy of some quite bizarre sort propped-up and burnished, whilst the terrible terrorist ISIS actors, pose one last time before making it over the county line in the General Lee, the Iraqi Sheriff in hot pursuit foiled again. Obama looks doubly weak and the Republicans can later on pillory him for this ‘mishandling’ of a situation of their own creation, ooze back into power to stoke the fires of the abyss even more provocatively, engulfing all. The problem for the US is that their economy will have tanked so completely by then that such long term planning and psychological operations seem almost irrelevant now, they no longer matter as the macro-conditions for their successful fruition now seem now highly improbable, wishful thinking, America will have fragmented by then and be ungovernable.


    23 Jun, 2014 - 1:04 am

    Oops. missed your 12:42. John.


    23 Jun, 2014 - 1:06 am

    Tony M: After the US propped up Maliki, out of ostensible parity between Shia and Sunni, now they are prepared to replace him.

    Politics is a game of slow death by carbon-monoxide.

  4. No probs Ben. It’s getting late here. Craig is not anti-American though, no more than me. :)

  5. As the trolls clearly missed my response to John a day or so ago, here’s a reference to RIP Act and Habeus Corpus:

    Start reading from:

    “Further concerns about infringement of civil liberties were raised by the passing of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA), dubbed the ‘snoopers’ charter’.”

    And encrypting an email is the equivalent of sealing an envelope containing a letter that is sent through the post…

  6. World Cup ticket prices (overseas fans)
    Source: Fifa.

    Listed in order down from Category 3 > Category 2 >Category 1

    Opening Match

    Group Matches

    Round of 16

    Quarter Finals

    Semi Finals

    3rd / 4th Place Match


  7. Duh!
    s/be Listed in order down from Category 1 > Category 2 > Category 3

  8. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    23 Jun, 2014 - 7:47 am

    “….violence meted out by the Nuland Banderite Junta.”

    George Orwell would have loved that phrase (cf Politics and the English language).

    Or is the author of it just pulling our leg?

    To believe or not to believe, that is the question.

  9. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    23 Jun, 2014 - 7:52 am

    “World Cup ticket prices (overseas fans)
    Source: Fifa.”

    etc etc

    I suspect that the point of Mary’s post was to accuse FIFA of disgracefully high pricing resulting in only the privileged elite being able to afford seats.

    Could Mary please also give us the prices FIFA is charging local Brazilians for tickets?

    Thank you.


    Habbabkuk says: start the day with a little misleading, you know it’s the right thing to do!

  10. I think Kerry sees himself as Superman. In one bound from Cairo to Baghdad to deal with the CR-ISIS.

    Iraq crisis: John Kerry in Baghdad as Isis seizes more towns

  11. As we thought

    22 Jun 2014
    Britain and US ‘neglected alert to Iraq jihadist takeover’
    Head of Kurdish intelligence in Iraq says MI6 and CIA were warned of impending Isis-Baathist attack on Mosul and Baghdad but British and US governments failed to act

  12. It seems RT must be getting it right in occupied Palestine too…

    “The operation was aimed against the Palestinian company, Palmedia. The reason is that it provides services to Al-Aqsa TV, which has propagandist and inflammatory content. That’s why the search was performed there,” the representative of the Israeli military command told RIA-Novosti news agency.

    Palmedia’s offices are in another building. So either we are seeing another attack on journalists or a breakdown in IDF intelligence. I won’t jump to conclusions. Maybe they were just using an out of date telephone directory or something.

    Too bad news continues to leak out of occupied Palestine.

  13. @Peacewisher

    In March the police raided the House of Lords. They removed computer equipment belonging to a peer in relation to an investigation into the abuse of young boys at a care home.

    Should part of that equipment be an encrypted drive would you consider it an infringement of the peer’s civil rights to require him to provide the key?

  14. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    23 Jun, 2014 - 8:59 am

    Ralph Steadman was HST’s official illustrator, Ba’al.

    My extremely bad, Ben. Steadman it is. I always confuse them. Why?

    The link to the video is dead unfortunately.

  15. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    23 Jun, 2014 - 9:19 am

    Link to A Long Drawn-Out Trip here:

    Might still be uncomfortable viewing. Or the culture may have taken over so completely that it seems banal and normal. I hope not.

  16. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    23 Jun, 2014 - 9:48 am

    We don’t know who did it, but who the hell cares, we’ll bomb you anyway.

  17. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    23 Jun, 2014 - 9:57 am

    Reparations against civilian population endorsed by arsehole.

    Four Pals dead so far.

    … didn’t you know three teenagers were missing?

    Well, yes, actually. All media, incessantly, carrying undiluted self-justification.

  18. At 9:30am on Thursday, 12 June, approximately 350 police officers and special forces encircled the village of Al Araqib and rounded up inhabitants in the makeshift mosque. Homes were bulldozed to the ground in about three hours and the rubble cleared away and water tanks removed from the site. All in a days work for Dad’s heroes.

    Some images here:

  19. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    23 Jun, 2014 - 10:07 am

    On a recent trip to the United States , Tony Blair, Ex. Labour Prime Minister of the UK and now U.N. Middle East Peace Envoy, addressed a major gathering of Native American Indians.

    He spoke for almost two hours on his success in bringing about a lasting peace settlement amongst the warring nations of the Middle East, likening it to the way that the U.S. Government found a suitable agreement with the North American tribes.

    At the conclusion of his speech, the crowd presented him with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name – Walking Eagle.

    A very chuffed Tony then departed in his motorcade, waving to the crowds..

    A news reporter later asked one of the Indians how they came to select the new name given to Tony Blair. They explained that Walking Eagle is the name given to a bird so full of shit that it can no longer fly.

  20. Operation “Brother’s Keeper” has been created and engineered to detach Hamas networks in the West Bank.

    RT had video footage of IDF/Metsada raids in the West Bank…

    “By Way Of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War.”

  21. Ba’al. 10 07am

    “He spoke for almost two hours on his success in bringing about a lasting peace settlement amongst the warring nations of the Middle East, likening it to the way that the U.S. Government found a suitable agreement with the North American tribes…”

    Peace Envoy Bliar is so popular he’s made it onto Seatle public school drama sylabus.


  22. nevermind, viva beasutifull football

    23 Jun, 2014 - 11:18 am

    Walking eagle, haha, what a great story, thanks that cheered me up no end, Ba’al, and so poignant.

    Here is a personal profile of the new generation of young ministers working for Gaza. Her name is Isra Al Mudallal, she has been to school in Bradford and is 23 years old.

  23. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    23 Jun, 2014 - 11:34 am

    She’s quite something, isn’t she, Nevermind? If it all goes horribly wrong for her in Gaza – between some of her more Neanderthal friends and her not-even-vaguely-human enemies, I’m not optimistic – perhaps she could be enticed back to become PM here?

  24. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    23 Jun, 2014 - 11:39 am

    apologise for mangling beautiful, happens all the time.

    My Chickens see a beautifull centipede or worm, and its down their throats in a flash, nature does not respect beauty or fairness when hunger is involved.

    Great game between Portugal and the USA, especially the last two minutes, what a pass and what a header to come up with in time.

    We will see whether Klinsmanns will encourage his team to use every trick in the book, we shall see whether his special flying/falling abilities and training will make a reappearance against Germany, and will we see the USA dispatched back home.

  25. defo O/T

    Here you go, Sophia.
    An absolutely fascinating but pretty useless live lightning website ……
    ……. to bookmark alongside the Earth-Wind website …..,53.84,670

  26. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    23 Jun, 2014 - 12:07 pm

  27. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    23 Jun, 2014 - 12:12 pm

    “At 9:30am on Thursday, 12 June, approximately 350 police officers and special forces encircled the village of Al Araqib and rounded up inhabitants in the makeshift mosque. Homes were bulldozed to the ground in about three hours and the rubble cleared away and water tanks removed from the site. All in a days work for Dad’s heroes.”


    Thanks for that info. It reminded me that I should ask you the same question I asked California Ben the other day, which was:

    “Just to be able to evaluate your bona fides, so to speak – apart from frequently sounding off on this blog (and perhaps on others?)- what do you do in concrete and practical terms to support the Palestinian cause and help the Palestinian people?

    You are doing a grand job of talking the talk, but are you walking the walk?

    Off you go!

  28. By e-mail this morning

    ‘Invasion in Abu Dis which is now joining the terror happening all over the West Bank. “We haven’t seen anything like this since 1967″, we are told.

    On Saturday night Al Quds University was invaded by Israel soldiers. On Sunday night, the university and now the town filled up with soldiers. They often come with ten or twenty. This was hundreds of Israeli soldiers, first walking and then in vehicles. They were everywhere, climbing and jumping in and out of buildings. Going into houses, not even asking whose house it was. They didn’t stop anyone in the streets – the issue was to invade the houses. They chose more than thirty houses – ones on hills, ones in valleys, ones in the main town, big buildings, flats. These houses were searched and messed up; at least three houses had their gates blown up as soldiers entered.

    There were tear gas, sound bombs and shooting. Four people at least were arrested: three of them under 18. The whole area was invaded in this way – Sawahreh, Aizariyeh, the Bedouin area as well as Abu Dis.

    This all started with reports of three Israeli young people going missing near Hebron a week ago: there is no clear picture of what happened to them. Following this, a military operation involving 15000 Israeli soldiers has turned the lives of people in the West Bank upside down in what feels like a vast collective punishment. In the last week, several people have been killed including a thirteen year old; many hurt; house invasions in all areas of the West Bank; five hundred arrests. Gaza has been under attack again and people injured.

    People in Palestine are trying to work out what this is about. They are subject always to vast racism – the kidnaps of their own children have gone un-investigated for years: so is this about something else. Is it to bring down the unity government? Or is it military training: Israel preparing not for them but for the next war?

    A news report here:

    One of the CADFA volunteers wrote this:

    Camden Abu Dis Friendship Association
    Linking together for human rights

  29. OT

    A Node. 11 47am

    Lightening Map. Thanks.

    Now I need to learn how to interpret it.

    I reckon it’s proof that the gods don’t really do thunderbolts otherwise we’d be able to use it to track the movements of the Walking Eagle. (Badly chosen word there, maybe “location” would be in better taste.)

    Here’s an animation of the last two hours satelite images from mid- Atlantic to Black Sea. You can click box in bottom left for lightening. Double click to zoom in.


    What strikes me is the patterns the thunder storms make. I suppose it’s only to be expected when we’re standing on a vast magnet rotating through the field of an even vaster one. With all those layers of liquid, rock and gas, doesn’t that make Earth a big leaky capacitor? Can any scientifically minded person explain where all the charge goes?

    Re the Earth-wind site, have you checked out the ocean currents window?,44.34,670

  30. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    23 Jun, 2014 - 12:48 pm

    You have to be plucky and forward to do that job in Gaza, Ba’al, good luck to her.

  31. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    23 Jun, 2014 - 12:58 pm

    It’s much more to do with the collision of cold and hot, wet air masses, Sofia. Charge is generated in violent updrafts, and the lightning is the result of charge rebalancing either in the cloud or to ground when the potential gets high enough to ionise the air. Roughly speaking. Magnetism isn’t involved. Thunderstorms are generally localised on weather fronts, which is what you are seeing.

  32. Is it true that electrical storms produce nitrogen? Someone was saying that it accounts for the massive increase in leaf and plant growth this year. I think it was the amount of winter rain.

  33. YouKnowMyName

    23 Jun, 2014 - 1:33 pm

    An interesting research project here , “The Minerva Project, ”
    I’m sure that it omnivorously devours this excellent website, news on FiFa, Brazil, Blair, Russia….

    in search of….? not thunder, but ‘terrorism studies’ focussed on civil society response to events; producing hints to dot mil on how to deal with dissatisfied and dangerous populations all around the world, including the United States. The “terrorists” are involved in “the dynamics of social movement mobilisation and contagions”. I’d lay odds-on that many of the commentators here are part of the dot mil “problem”, (other than those who are posting here as part of the preliminary “answer” to how to solve this flagrant attack on the policies of the U.S., their allies and proxies)

    more at TheGuardian

  34. Ba’al.

    Thanks for the explanation. I can get my brain around it in terms of the dynamics at lower levels but when I see the constantly raging twin storms in the ionosphere it brings to mind what I said about magnets. I just wonder if we’re missing something.

    But back to earth…here’s an image of a terrorist using some of Putin’s high-tech communications equipment to report the destruction of the Glorious Ukrainian Army’s bread van…

    And there was I thinking the real terrorists were in Washington and Kiev!

  35. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    23 Jun, 2014 - 2:05 pm

    I’d like to meet the sadist who plans Walking Eagle’s schedule. Excellent work, mate, you’re driving him right round the bend. Today, Saudi Arabia.

    To discuss the ME situation…
    Abdullah: Bit grim innit, mate?
    Blair: Yeah.

    Last couple of weeks: China , ?Azerbaijan, Israel, Egypt, Kuwait, Serbia, Albania…

  36. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    23 Jun, 2014 - 2:12 pm

    There is interaction with the ionosphere, Sofia, and this was quite recently discovered. At the top of a thunderstorm, local ionisation of the very thin atmosphere takes place during a lightning discharge:

  37. @Fred re law, encryption, etc.:

    If there was a strong suspicion that a criminal offence was/had been taking place, and a warrant is obtained, then that is a different matter, Just as agents of the state can open someone’s mail if they suspect a criminal offence is involved.


    23 Jun, 2014 - 2:23 pm

    Sofia/Ba’al: Thanks for the ionosphere discharge stuff. It’s another arrow in my quiver for Electric universe theory which pairs well with String theory, the only viable (thus far) answer to Quantum Theory shortcomings.

  39. Sofia, I’m intrigued by your comment (pg.2) about having a plan to regale us with a “cock and bull story” about me and some “hoods” (of a kind I suspect I already know). Don’t let other’s rude interruption prevent you from telling us this story. I’m sure it will be interesting, and revealing, if not altogether true.

  40. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    23 Jun, 2014 - 2:31 pm

    More reaction to the latest ‘benefit Britain’ programm depicting Gt. Yarmouth hard pressed benefit parents struggling to pay their 60,-mobile phone bill each month.

    The person commenting calling himself Mick Castle, could be (is most likely) the councillor who was in charge of the shambles that is Gt. Yarmouth, hence his rather scurrillous attack on the ‘internet trolls’.
    sadly he does not deal with the issues raised.

    As for Brandon Lewis MP, who thinks that the over sixties firefighters should carry on firefighting, without being able to claim pensions earlier, he’s a twit.

  41. Sofia …proof that the gods don’t really do thunderbolts otherwise we’d be able to use it to track the movements of the Walking Eagle. (Badly chosen word there, maybe “location” would be in better taste.)…

    Or maybe “Walking” should have been “Wa*king”.
    Wa*king Eagle. Or perhaps Wa*king Bagel.

  42. Peacewisher, Why are you letting this Fred character badger you into condoning forced confessions? This password psychosis is an English idiocy that even the totalitarian USA does not share.

  43. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    23 Jun, 2014 - 2:54 pm

    Is that why bagels have holes, Winkeltoe? or is it just to make out its ‘w/holesome’? the bagel, that is.

  44. Article 7 (1f)

    23 Jun, 2014 - 3:04 pm

    With respect to Scottish self-determination,

    looks like Scotland should assume British obstruction at every turn. The stakes are very high for US torturers and their English henchmen, as Scotland is not committed to impunity for torturers

  45. Sorry to interrupt the lightning discussion but when Neville Chamberlain came back from Germany waving a piece of paper an bragging about having Herr Hitler’s signature he was not worldly-wise enough to know that you can never trust a fascist. Likewise Petro Porohsenko talked of a ceasefire for a few days but it did not last one. Not that it will affect BBC news watchers who do not know there is a civil war raging in Ukraine.

    BBC viewers do not know that 50,000 people protested in London yesterday either.

    I ask again what do we pay our licence fees for? If the BBC board is not up to the job it should go.

  46. “If there was a strong suspicion that a criminal offence was/had been taking place, and a warrant is obtained, then that is a different matter, Just as agents of the state can open someone’s mail if they suspect a criminal offence is involved.”

    Do you know of a case where someone who was not being investigated for a criminal offence has been required to reveal an encryption key? Or one where a warrant was not obtained?

  47. The most worrying aspect of the BBC not reporting Ukraine is that is exactly the same stance they took in the run up to the Iraq war at the time when NATO was enforcing no-fly zones. At that time I heard an Iraqi doctor telling of all the civilian casualties, a mix of men women and children, just like in Ukraine.

  48. Winkletoe.

    “Wa*king Eagle”. LOL. But a disgraceful smear on all wa*kers!

    Ba’al. 2 12pm
    Ben. 2 23pm

    Thanks for rising to the challenge of educating me.

    Will check out Electric Universe.

    Whether we fully understand what’s is going on or not it surely justifies the term “awesome”t .

    Will homo sapiens sapiens (Ha!) learn to cherish the Earth and thrive?

    Oren Lyons, Chief of the Onodaga Nation, wrote: 
    “We are looking ahead , as is one of the first mandates given us as chiefs, to make sure and to make every decision that we make relate to the welfare and well-being of the seventh generation to come. . . .What about the seventh generation? Where are you taking them? What will they have?”

    Seems to me we could learn a thing or two from the disposessed of the earth.

    Jemand. 2 30pm

    Re slandering you to lie my way out of a corner. I promise I’ll work on it and have it ready to cover my next cock-up. :-)

  49. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    23 Jun, 2014 - 3:21 pm

    Mr Goss

    “Likewise Petro Porohsenko talked of a ceasefire for a few days but it did not last one.”

    Because the coalition of Russophile fascists and local mobsters behind the unrest in eastern Ukraine refused to accept it, Mr Goss.

  50. It never ceases to amaze me how slavish these English have become. Here’s Fred offering to spill everything he’s thought of for the last several years at his monarch’s demand. Pathetic, how a people can be gelded.

  51. Oops!

    Fecking italics! Not a big enough cock-up. so you can relax Jemand.

  52. @Roundheads

    That’s twice I’ve seen you maligning me.

    If it happens again the gloves come off.

    Fair warning.

  53. How very fearsome! Disembodied voice Fred punches above his cognitive weight, one presumes. Quintessentially British, this business of tough talking, though it works in real life only when you can hide behind Nanny America’s skirts, Nicht wahr?

  54. @Roundheads

    Fuck off you pathetic little shit. Obnoxious little slimeball turds like you are a waste of space apart from serving as an example of why close relatives shouldn’t get married.

  55. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    23 Jun, 2014 - 4:18 pm

    I would just like to dissociate myself from the ‘Electric Universe’ lot. Summary of why:

  56. Well wasn’t that cathartic!

    Now give me your password, or I’ll take it.

  57. I forgot about the rocks in that harbor Ba’al

    But there are fish down there. Mainstream science is dismissive and don’t even care to drop a line.

    Free will versus Determinism seems to be a major issue for them. ( string versus quantum)

  58. @Roundheads

    Fuck off retard.

  59. Sorry. I’m on mobile so search is limited.

  60. The name-calling is dreadfully intimidating. Zeroes in on my secret psychic wounds in the most devastating way.

    Check the settings on your computer, though, really. Then check Infotomb. You can’t defy Her Majesty!

  61. @Roudheads

    Fuck off you repugnant armpit licking gruesome accident of nature.

  62. ba’al Zevul (Chimp Assassin) 23 Jun, 2014 – 4:18 pm

    “I would just like to dissociate myself from the ‘Electric Universe’ lot. Summary of why:

    I’ve come across the Electric Universe (EU) idea a few times and I resolved to check it out one of these days, but so far I haven’t done so. I was therefore pleased to see you offer what I assumed was going to be clear refutation of the idea. However when I checked out your link it is no such thing.

    It is a scathing sarcastic dismissal of the idea but the author provides no arguments or proof to justify his view. He ridicules EU proponents with terms such as “pseudo-scientific”, “crank”, “woo-peddlers”, “deniers”, and “loony”, but the only refutation he offers is …..

    “Most Electric Universe proponents claim some kind of relation to the “plasma cosmology” of the Nobel Prize laureate Hannes Alfvén. Too bad his model was rendered obsolete by the missing observations of the radio emission predicted by his cosmology.”

    ….. which doesn’t link to any scientific work which contradicts Alfvén’s claim or even specify which radio emissions are unobserved.

    One of the reasons I want to know more about the EU theory is because some of the scientists who support it <seem to have respectable credentials (eg Hannes Alfvén, above). EU may very well be a load of hokum, but I will need more than unsubstantiated sarcasm before I dismiss it out of hand.

  63. Goodness, your private hopes and dreams are komic gold. It will take some thought to curate this trove. I’m glad you brits are such good sports about abjectly giving up any semblance of privacy or dignity or freedom.

  64. About a week ago I was pointing up the potential dangers for Poland in front running the anti Russian rhetoric and some dirty ops, whilst older wiser west European leaders were playing footsie with Russia behind the scenes.

    I pointed out that this was an even more dangerous position for Poland because NATO hadn’t provided adequate security for them, despite multiple requests going back to 1999.

    I further pointed up Poland’s here today gone tomorrow history.

    Habby pooh poohed all of this of course.

    But here’s Sikorski himself confirming precisely what I said:

    “The Polish Foreign Minister believes his country’s alliance with the US is worth nothing and compared his government’s stance to giving oral sex and receiving nothing in return, a Polish magazine said, citing a leaked recording of a private conversation.”

    “We will get a conflict with both Russians and Germans, and we’re going to think that everything is great, because we gave the Americans a blowjob. Suckers. Total suckers.”

  65. Heseltine says that Gideon’s speech today (given at the National Rail Museum very appropriately) was ‘the most visionary he has ever heard’. LOL.

    Gideon, with 10 months to go, wishes to reduce the North South divide by proposing HS3. Yet another LOL. His lot cannot even provide a decent road network and an integrated transport system.

    Pure electioneering.

    High-speed rail link needed to boost north – Osborne 1286 comments.

  66. “EU may very well be a load of hokum, but I will need more than unsubstantiated sarcasm before I dismiss it out of hand.”

    A Node you sound like a researcher. O that there were more of the dissenters on this blog prepared to use your analytical approach and look at ideas instead of discarding them with a flippant wave of their blue handkerchiefs.

  67. Mary makes comment 666!

  68. @Roudheads

    You’re a lard arsed shit for brained cock sucking retard who smells of stale piss.

  69. This is just as bad as the imprisonment of Talha Ahsan and Babar Ahmed, imprisoned by the UK and now the US in Solitary Confinement for 23 hours a day. I wonder where the Egyptians got the idea from. What do you think ESLO?

  70. BrianFujisan

    23 Jun, 2014 - 6:18 pm

    Holland – Chile game a wee bit Boring…GEEEEZZZAA Goal

    Lovin the Electric Universe Confab, Cheers all…

    Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic! If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic — and this we know it is, for certain — then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature. –

    Tesla – ( about a Century or so ago )

    Some stuff on the lunatic Bliar –

    Unmasking Tony Blair’s ‘Interfaith’ Crusade: Using Religious Extremism to Impose a New World Order

    ” Whatever the case, Blair is not apologetic. This month he again defended the decision to go to war in a widely republished essay posted on his website, and once again called for more use of force in Iraq and the Middle East region to deal with religious extremists. Blair’s narrative ignores how Western Governments have encouraged extremism by waging foreign wars as well as directly supporting Islamist militias, which has gone on at least since the US armed and backed the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan in the 1970s, which helped to lay the groundwork for the formation of Al Qaeda. The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), responsible for the latest spiralling violence in Iraq, has also been linked to US intelligence – which has been covertly supporting Sunni extremists in Syria to fight the Assad government. Syrian extremists now threaten Iraq. Some believe a deliberate “divide and conquer” strategy is at play here with the US backing both sides in Iraq’s current fighting….

    A Quote from a Professor Michel Schooyans of the Catholic University of Louvain, a specialist in anthropology and political philosophy” –

    “One of the aims of the Tony Blair Faith Foundation will be that of remaking the major religions, just as his colleague Barack Obama will remake global society. With this purpose, the foundation in question will try to expand the ‘new rights’, using the world religions for this end and adapting these for their new duties. The religions will have to be reduced to the same common denominator, which means stripping them of their identity …

    This project threatens to set us back to an age in which political power was ascribed the mission of promoting a religious confession, or of changing it. In the case of the Tony Blair Faith Foundation, this is also a matter of promoting one and only one religious confession, which a universal, global political power would impose on the entire world.”

    On Internet content –

    “…..Perhaps Tony Blair has already made headway in influencing government policy in the UK itself. The government of David Cameron is also increasingly denouncing extremism in its rhetoric.

    I recently wrote about the authoritarian web filtering infrastructure introduced by the UK government last year under the pretext of blocking pornography. This occurred on the back of an engineered moral panic about pornography; however, the ISP filtering actually blocks a lot more than porn and the system operates without transparency or oversight.

    “Recently, the government mentioned its desire to block “extremist” and “unsavoury” content (as opposed to illegal content) on the internet. This is dangerous territory. Content that is illegal can be blocked through transparent legal processes. But who will be the faceless judge that decrees what constitutes an “extreme” view and blocks communications before any law is broken or charges are laid?”

  71. On second thoughts ESLO might be on his way home. That being the case perhaps Resident Dissident could answer on his behalf.

  72. I found this article from one linked above:

    The open source revolution is coming and it will conquer the 1% – ex CIA spy

    Given his standing as an intelligence expert, Steele’s criticisms of US intelligence excesses are beyond scathing – they are damning. “Most of what is produced through secret methods is not actually intelligence at all. […] The National Security Agency (NSA) has not prevented any terrorist incidents. CIA cannot even get the population of Syria correct and provides no intelligence – decision-support – to most cabinet secretaries, assistant secretaries, and department heads. Indeed General Tony Zinni, when he was commander in chief of the US Central Command as it was at war, is on record as saying that he received, ‘at best,’ a meagre 4% of what he needed to know from secret sources and methods.”
    “Believe it or not, 95% of what we need for ethical evidence-based decision support cannot be obtained through the secret methods of standard intelligence practices. But it can be obtained quite openly and cheaply from academics, civil society, commerce, governments, law enforcement organisations, the media, all militaries, and non-governmental organisations. An Open Source Agency, as I’ve proposed it, would not just meet 95% of our intelligence requirements, it would do the same at all levels of government and carry over by enriching education, commerce, and research – it would create what I called in 1995 a ‘Smart Nation.’

  73. Very droll Eslo/RD. If that is all you can think of to say, you really are pathetic even more so than Habbakuk and that is saying something.

    btw Have you checked that you haven’t got that number tattooed ojn the nape of your neck?

  74. More of the black anti Assad propaganda today. I heard mention of barrel bombs and chlorine.

    Yet –

    Syria handed over 100% of declared chem weapons stockpile – watchdog

    Published time: June 23, 2014

  75. BrianFujisan

    23 Jun, 2014 - 7:01 pm

    I see i forgot a link for the Electric Universe Folks

    So here it be –

    Nikola Tesla and The Electric Universe

  76. Thanks Herbie

    Check out the brilliant Graham Hancock.

  77. We had a now former minister from the previous Labor govt who tried to use the debate-terminating issue of “child pornography” to impose an internet filter on the whole of Oz. He went from one fuck up to the next, accusing critics of supporting kiddie porn as they tore into him and his diabolical plot to prevent people from researching, knowing or understanding things that must be hidden from us for our own good. The banned websites were, i believe, published by wikileaks in an act that was illegal because nobody was allowed to know what websites were to be blocked, including harmless websites that were added by mistake and political information websites. I’m not sure but Wikileaks might have also been on the list.

  78. @Roundheads: I didn’t realise that had happened. I’m on this site mostly for debate… but also to expose totalitarian tendencies :)

    The irony of the modern British State is that in the 1980s this behaviour was exhibited by the Stasi in Eastern Germany, and we were all disgusted about their behaviour…

  79. Electric Universe! Hah!!

    To be sure, there is a universe and there is electricity – and then there are the fools and frauds who turn things into cults to explain how the universe “really” works.


  80. John Snow excellent on Channel 4 news regarding George Galloway’s petition. Doesn’t mention the 50000 march though…

    I suppose they all think that getting Tony Blair out of the Middle East envoy role will be enough to pacify the peasants … of course it isn’t, but it would be a start.

  81. John Snow finished up the Ch 4 news tonight by taping his mouth in sympathy with the journalists jailed in Egypt.
    I must have missed all his protests over the years in sympathy with the many journalists that have been shot dead by Israel.

  82. Peacewisher

    Snow began his interview with Galloway with words to the effect ….
    “With your fondness for totalitarian dictators like Saddam and Assad, …..”
    ….which George immediately slapped him down for.

    Not excellent.

  83. Jemand 23 Jun, 2014 – 7:16 pm

    “”Electric Universe! Hah!!
    To be sure, there is a universe and there is electricity – and then there are the fools and frauds who turn things into cults to explain how the universe “really” works.””

    Which one is Hannes Alfvén, fool or fraud?

  84. The shame of it.

    ‘It wasn’t until the next morning that Gerry was torn from his bed and dragged back to England – where he, Paul, Paddy Armstrong and a 17-year-old English girl, Carole Richardson, were tortured by police until they ‘confessed’, in doctored statements, to being the IRA gang behind the deadly bombing of a pub frequented by British servicemen in the small town of Guildford.

    They were tortured, Gerry said, with what he believed to have been expressed, but secret, British-government immunity granted to the police. “And I mean tortured. To be held naked. To have Alsatian dogs set upon you. To be taken naked to country lanes, hooded, handcuffed. To have the hood taken off and told to open your mouth. And when I shook my head, they hit me in the head with a revolver. And when I went ‘Oh’, they stuck the gun in my mouth, put the hammer back and pulled the trigger. This is what they did. This is what they were allowed to do.”

    Gerry flushed in fresh anger as he told an audience in Dublin how from his police cell he could hear Carole Richardson being kicked down a flight of stairs. The so-called Guildford Four were finally freed after 15 years, and got an apology from Tony Blair 16 years later (the files on the case remain unopened), but Carole in particular never came to terms with how their lives had been destroyed, and she died last year.’

    Gerry Conlon, RIP

  85. Breadline Britain: One in three now living in poverty as chasm between rich and poor widens

    The major study, led by Bristol University, revealed a string of shameful findings.

    – Almost 18 million cannot afford adequate housing conditions.
    – 1.5 million children live in households that cannot afford to heat the home
    – 2.5 million kids live in properties that are damp
    – More than half a million children live in families who cannot afford to feed them properly
    – 12 million people are too poor to have a social life
    – 5.5 million adults go without essential clothing
    – One in every six adults in paid work is still poor.

    Breadline Britain: Children living with…
    1.5m – Inadequate heating
    2.5m – Damp properties
    500k – Inadequate food

    Despite the size of the economy doubling in the past 30 years, the number of families who cannot afford to heat their homes has also doubled in that time.

    There are now 13 million people living in cold or damp homes – three million more than in the 1990s.

    Recent figures also show the number of emergency food parcels handed out has soared to more than a million because of the Government’s austerity measures.

  86. Resident Dissident

    23 Jun, 2014 - 8:57 pm


    Well I presume this is another response from our Russian public schoolboy given his continuing obsession with my education and his inimitable low content high abuse style.
    However his education however seems to have missed out on the general principal that when we comment on a court case you actually bother to go and read what the court actually decided. And if he had bothered to do so by going here:{“itemid”:[“001-110267″]}
    then he might have found that his statement that
    “the ECHR makes a point of refusing to apply its own CIDT standards to America” was actually a complet load of cobblers and a fabrication. In fact the ECHR even went further and said it
    “Holds that there would be no violation of Article 3 of the Convention as a result of conditions at ADX Florence and the imposition of special administrative measures post-trial if the first, third, fifth and sixth applicants were extradited to the United States;” which is of course the complete opposite of what ropeadope claimed.
    Given that this is not the first time I believe I have caught this individual out making dishonest and unsupported claims might I kindly reword his last paragraph for him:

    “If he wants to maintain some semblance of honest discourse, ropeadope will shut up until he’s read and grasped the documents relevant to his arguments”

    He might also wish to reflect on how he has clearly frittered away what I suspect are his father’s ill-gotten gains on a public school education whose products can never quite compete with those from direct grant grammar schools.

    BTW if he were to bother to study his own history properly he would know that Trotskyites very rarely emerged from the Lubyanka at all.

    The simple request for evidence that Ahmad’s confession within the US was obtained as the result of torture of course remains unaddressed despite all the attempts at obfuscation. And in case the old **** asks no I don’t think the treatment of the journalists in Egyptian jails is at all justifiable – but that is a completely different case

  87. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    23 Jun, 2014 - 9:01 pm


    “Very droll Eslo/RD. If that is all you can think of to say, you really are pathetic even more so than Habbakuk”

    Stop being smarmy and trying to cosy up to me, Mary, you know it won’t work.

  88. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    23 Jun, 2014 - 9:10 pm

    “The so-called Guildford Four were finally freed after 15 years, and got an apology from Tony Blair 16 years later”

    Yes, an apology. Which is more than the relatives of all the people killed in the various bombings on the UK mainland ever got from the murdering IRA cunts who planted the bombs.

    Not that the UK-hating low-lifes on this blog would ever utter a peep about that, of course.

  89. I think that was just a tease, Anode. George handled it pretty well, anyway.

  90. Also, Snow deserves kudos for his part in this:

  91. Re Electric Universe theory: I didn’t know it was a grand theory and I’ve only encountered it on one occasion. As an amateur astronomer I often look at the moon. The crater Tycho is very interesting. Its distinctive rays, well-defined ribbons of uniform breadth, extend in all directions for up to 1000 km.

    Yhe orthodox view, that the rays were formed by the ejecta of a massive impact with an asteroid or some such, doesn’t seem plausible to me. The rays are too long and the lines are too clean. The best alternative explanation I’ve found comes from the thunderbolts site mentioned above. It contends that the crater and its rays are the result of a massive electrical discharge caused by the moon getting too close to another celestial body. It cites laboratory research that has replicated the scenario and which has produced results similar to those seen on the moon.

    The fact that gravitational forces cannot be reproduced in the laboratory is not a big issue here. There are plenty of craters on the moon that have almost certainly been created by impacts and we can look at those. In almost all instances their rays are much shorter and do not have the clean, uniform lines of Tycho’s. They get increasingly diffuse as they extend out, as you might expect.

    I wouldn’t care to comment on the wider implications of the electric universe theory but in some particular circumstances it might be onto something.

  92. Ah, Resident Dissident is back, characteristically perseverating on minutia divorced from context while struggling against the gestalt (it’s principle, by the way.) Go back and reread the decision, you’ll eventually comprehend what I wrote – if you did your homework. I won’t rub your nose in the paragraph you’re ignoring so intently, that would be humiliating.

    Keep at it, to rise above your indoctrination will be a hard slog. In rigid hierarchical societies like britain, this is how the subaltern classes are trained, to view human rights not as a curb on overreaching states but as a weapon against their designated enemies. It helps perpetuate the castes, you see. So think as you please, it’s not as though your betters give a rat’s arse what you think! Downtrodden but defiant, that’s John Bull, except around authority. Then they bow and scrape – quite grotesquely, to foreign eyes.

  93. Peacewisher: “I think that was just a tease, Anode.”

    Well, you may be right, perhaps I’m reading to much into it, but it seemed to me that Snow was trying to undermine Galloway’s character – hint at some sinister motive. Having played back the news clip on the 4OD website, I think George agrees with me

    John Snow’s opening words: “George Galloway, one is bound to question whether your preference for the unelected dictators Assad and Saddam Hussein perhaps beats Tony Blair’s interest in invading Iraq.”

    George Galloway reply: “Well that’s an entirely false dichotomy and a diversion from what we’re hear to talk about which is the 7 years which TB as spent as Quartet Envoy.”

  94. “Stop being smarmy and trying to cosy up to me, Mary, you know it won’t work.”

    I had to smile. :) Sorry Mary.

    His previous comment on the genocide in Eastern Russia by Willy Wonka’s fascist conscripts though I treated by ignoring. It is almost as bad as his advocation of torture in Guantanamo. But these dissenters don’t mind what happens to people as long as the west reigns supreme. RD pretends to have sympathy for the Al Jazeera journalists but has defended that disgusting penal institution illegally constructed on Cuban soil, as well as solitary confinement in supermax prisons, which he does not consider to be torture. So, you can smile at the odd humorous comment, but despair at the majority. Shame.

  95. Well, if you think that’s bad, Anode, how about this interview with Anna Botting on Sky News:

  96. Resident Dissident

    23 Jun, 2014 - 10:16 pm

    ” RD pretends to have sympathy for the Al Jazeera journalists but has defended that disgusting penal institution illegally constructed on Cuban soil,”

    Another post, even more lies from the old ****

    “Ah, Resident Dissident is back, characteristically perseverating on minutia divorced from context”

    Oh like your claims about the actual court case that were just made up.

    “Keep at it, to rise above your indoctrination will be a hard slog. In rigid hierarchical societies like britain, this is how the subaltern classes are trained, to view human rights not as a curb on overreaching states but as a weapon against their designated enemies. It helps perpetuate the castes, you see. So think as you please, it’s not as though your betters give a rat’s arse what you think! Downtrodden but defiant, that’s John Bull, except around authority. Then they bow and scrape – quite grotesquely, to foreign eyes.”

    And lets throw in a bit of racism and prejudice – because that is what it is pure and simple. Clearly you did not enjoy having your basic dishonesty exposed so you just resort to vitriol.

  97. @ habbabduk

    Well if the UK authorities had made the least effort to identify those responsible, an apology might be forthcoming, instead of, as you read above, rounding up the ‘usual suspects’ throwing them down stairs. torturing them etcetera, and only years later admitting they’d framed totally innocent people. A proper investigation would obviously have found in many cases that those responsible were rather a bit too close to the British state itself. You obviously commend such behaviour as you spend every day on the internet defending the very same disgusting criminally insanve acts when perpetrated by Israel. It’s called synthetic terror, the British state effectively ran the IRA for decades and thus perpetrated many outrages against itself. The result of such UK state-sponsored terror was to rekindle waning sectarianism, anti-Catholic and anti-Irish division, stoked-up leading to discrimination, victimisation, violence and for many people, lives of family and friends taken. From which neither Ireland or Scotland have yet fully recovered, but will. Such unproductive discord is something you get wet over, you delight in and take perverse pleasure in, and applaud, here on this site and no doubt in other places too. You have been banned here for your offensiveness and your sick gloating twisted nature, and haven’t even got the good grace to depart, knowing you are not wanted, you wouldn’t be tolerated anywhere else either.

    You are without doubt the most sick and hypocritical person it has ever been my misfortune to encounter on the internet. You really are a case, and the biggest low-life by stirring up religious and sectarian hatred, here in the British Isles and in your unconditional support for the theocratic supremacist racist state – Israel – and its depraved political and terrorist philosophy Zionism, that has blighted Europe, the middle-east and entire world, since early in the 20th century. Hate is something you must know a great deal about, to hate is your sole reason for living, you define yourself by what you hate and what you hate is everything that is not you. Zionism belongs in the dustbin of history, it is a mental affliction, along with Nazism which it spawned, the two are incestuously and forever interlinked, synonymous for unmitigated evil. Your sort are Zio-Nazis, a term the controlled establishment Guardian propaganda organ banned some time ago when it became widely used in its comments section, a mirror held up to the ego-maniacal supremacist super-race, so acutely accurate, it resulted in panic-stricken heavy-handed blatant censorship.

    The rest of the world are not like you, they aren’t psychopaths, they try to get on with everybody they encounter in life, aren’t judgemental and don’t start from a position of hubristic superiority and contempt for others. Your way is the way of the past. Creatures out of step with evolution, some vile mutated pre-homosapien throwback.

    Time and tide are against you, Bye Bye Apartheid Israel, hello Pluralistic Palestine.

  98. Dodgy refereeing in Brazil’s favour pt.94

    From tonight’s game- Fred’s blatantly offside goal, followed 5 mins later by a scything tackle from Fernadinho which inexplicably escaped a yellow card.

  99. Resident Dissident

    23 Jun, 2014 - 10:34 pm


    I hope you feel better for that rant, though I doubt it did your blood pressure much good – and all because Habba doesn’t like blowing up people and has the ability to see more than one side to an argument.

  100. Peacewisher: “Well, if you think that’s bad, Anode, how about this interview with Anna Botting on Sky News:”

    Oh yes, there are many worse journalists than Jon Snow.
    In one programme, he ….

    makes prejudicial remarks to interviewees.
    makes theatrical protests about the imprisonment of Western media stooges but ignores the Israeli murder of journalists in Palestine.

    …. and yet he can still be considered one of Britain’s better journalists. Very depressing.

  101. Habbabduk does like blowing people up. Palestinians, Ukranians, Russians, Iraqis, Syrians, Muslims etc. etc. ‘It’ glories in death, the evidence is all over almost every page on this website. And to suggest ‘it’ can see more than one side of argument is frankly ludicrous and untrue, you lie, constantly, you’re repeatedly, daily called out for it, you’ve zero credibility, just like ‘it’. Flogging a dead horse, both of you and your clones and socks.

  102. Resident Dissident

    23 Jun, 2014 - 11:08 pm


    well I’m sure your mother loves you.

  103. A Node is right.

    It’s a tad naive at this stage of the game to be expecting salvation in a mainstream media voice.

    They’re employed to present a core narrative and if they’re not doing that then they’re banished to a cubby hole at the end of the corridor, or simply pushed out the door.

    Former Guardian journalist, Jonathan Cook, explains all:

    Or you could look at what former New York Times journalist, Chris Hedges has to say:

    Follow Medialens for an understanding of how it all works, and many current email to and fros with mainstream hacks:

    And of course there’s Orwell, for those who prefer the classical and distanced view, purified by time.

  104. This is a great source of news and analysis, The Real News Network, TRNN.

    Their longer interviews are much better, more relevant and with greater breadth and depth than you’ll find on mainstream media:

  105. And to think we used to be such ardent Anglophiles. It’s tragic to see how English culture has degenerated. All the coherent commenters here are cosmopolites utterly at odds with the glittery-eyed aggression and the servile INGSOC and the sick Saville perversion of the place. Wait till the world clips your wings in the UNSC. You’ll end up like the Pitcairn Islands.

  106. Tony M. 10 28pm

    What could anyone add to that wonderful, passionate outpouring?

    I think Dad’s true value is that every now and then he blows those fuses that usually keep people too polite to give him the treatment he deserves. Thanks.

    He always gets a bit agitated when he’s down to his last couple of crates of gin so remember, if you need a rest there’s always Habbbreak, open source at it’s best!


    And leaves you with precious time for the treasures that so many other contributers drop into Craig’s blog.

    Here’s Willy Hague, showing the world the kind of company he keeps, but not convincing his followers. Poor wee mite!

    It brought to mind a song my old uncle used to sing,

    One evening in October
    When I was about one-third sober
    And was taking home a load with manly pride
    When my feet began to stutter
    So I lay down in the gutter
    And a pig came up and lay down by my side

    Then we sang “It’s All Fair Weather”
    And “Good Fellows Get Together”
    Till a lady passing by was heard to say
    “You can tell a man who boozes
    By the company he chooses”
    And with that the pig got up and walked away

    Surely Ukrainian fascists will have the pig’s instinct with this creature.

    Ben, Ba’al, Brian, A Node, Jemand and MJ.

    Thanks for your continuing efforts to educate me. What a delicious mix of rationality, poetry, healthy scepticism, an interesting clip (once the music was muted) and knee-jerk denunciation. Just this once I’m not going to fire off with my opinions because I really haven’t got a clue, though my gut response is to root for the underdog-paradigm.

    My question, “Where does all the charge go?” sure put the cat among the pidgeons. I had no idea I was treading on the ground of cherished beliefs and, dare I say it, mandated narratives / taboo subjects.

    Now my appetite has been well and truly whetted. My starting point is a feeling that we’re missing stuff. I want to knowis this. Is that because it isn’t there or because it’s important for string-pullers (academic, corporate, political and/or religious) that stuff that’s there is missed.

    Of course the very idea that there may be string-pullers in the field of science and cosmology puts me well in the camp of the dreaded conspiracists, but I’m getting pretty immune now, ever since I was denounced as one for putting up a link to Nuland’s famous coup-plotting phonecall.

    So, I’m off to explore the cosmos and may be some time.


  107. @Herbie: Yes, of course it would. However, the likes of George Galloway have clearly become accustomed to the narrative, and can use it to their advantage. In this case, Jon Snow actually managed to keep to the narrative and helped bring George Galloway’s opinions closer to the viewer.

    See him as a modern day Oskar Schindler. :)

  108. A spokeswoman for Mr Blair said: ‘These are all people viscerally opposed to Tony Blair with absolutely no credibility in relation to him whatsoever.

    ‘Their attack is neither surprising nor newsworthy. They include the alliance of hard right and hard left views which he has fought against all his political life. Of course he completely disagrees with them over the Middle East. He believes passionately in the two State solution but also believes that can only be achieved by a negotiation with Israel.

    Clearly the spokesthing for the war criminal whom should be awaiting his trial in Hague in a just world is sucking up to the “Lobby” that none dare to mention, and reliant on the money conversion conduit; take huge chunks of taxation funds and divert morsels of it to be secreted by the relevant toadies in assets and secret bank accounts.

    Because umpteen ambassadors, peers and others have been signing letters to declare the war criminal as yet not committed to any trial, and subsequent investigations into his conduct in the build up and conduct of the Iraq war; unfit for office other than the prison librarian.

    Mr Miles said: ‘Tony Blair is the wrong man in the wrong job. The wrong man because he is identified with the war in Iraq; criticism has concentrated on his misreading of intelligence and his lies, but equally important was his failure to plan for the peace, with the result we see today. The wrong job because patching up the Palestine economy sounds good but avoids the real issue, the repression and misery of the occupation; that is what the quartet should tackle. Seven years on it’s time to blow the whistle.’
    The letter says: ‘We, like many, are appalled by Iraq’s descent into a sectarian conflict that threatens its very existence as a nation, as well as the security of its neighbours. We are also dismayed, however, at Tony Blair’s recent attempts to absolve himself of any responsibility for the current crisis by isolating it from the legacy of the Iraq war.’

    ….. Mr Blair ‘misled the British people’ by suggesting Saddam Hussein had links to al-Qaeda.

    Read all about it; Three former UK ambassadors to the Middle East will tomorrow join calls for Tony Blair to be removed from his role as Middle East peace envoy.

    Blair is facing calls to step down from his role as Middle East envoy after a scathing letter signed by former British ambassadors and politicians that accuses him of trying to “absolve himself” of responsibility for the crisis in Iraq.

  109. Numbers do seem to be rising… now 5172. How many will be needed before he either (a) resigns (b) gets pushed?


    24 Jun, 2014 - 1:57 am

    Sofia et al; There is much i would like to link that I’ve already discussed on Squonk, but for those hardy souls who just love to plumb the depths of theory…….


    24 Jun, 2014 - 2:07 am

    IMO, Quantum mechanics fails to address the issue of Dark Matter. String theory is exotic and EU is extremely exotic, but AE’s dream of a unified field theory escaped the outsized genius primarily because of his age and a lack of verifiable research to augment his out-of-the-box creativity. If there is one thing we know it is that light is both particle and wave. String theory rankles many because it seems deterministic and folks don’t like being told there may be some guidance that transcends personal free will. My feeling is that there is room for both free-will AND Determinism, if you are flexible enough to concede parallel universes and alternate realities.


    24 Jun, 2014 - 3:00 am

    Sorry, the link @ 1:57 is broke-ass. Try this….

    “The incompatibility between local quantum field theory and general relativity is one of the main open problems in theoretical physics. String theory is an attempt at its resolution”

  113. BrianFujisan

    24 Jun, 2014 - 3:39 am


    Going back to the Snow..or freeezin cold fkers debate

    this cannot be justified….Here AT 2 ;50 both the Question…and answer…Snow And Chomsky Are cnt’s

  114. BrianFujisan

    24 Jun, 2014 - 3:42 am

  115. Well, Brian, you can again see it two ways. You can see it was Jon Snow being aggressive to a dear old man, or you can see it as Channel 4 News being brave enough to put a radical on mainstream prime time TV to present his views. One might think of the BBC putting on a neocon in similar circumstances. I get the impression that these two know each other and Snow is coming across as aggressive but Noam isn’t taking any offence at all. Again, could be a Schindler factor working here.

    Now 5407 signatures to SackBlair. Do you remember how the pop charts were manipulated back in 2007 to make sure this banned record didn’t have to be played as part of the BBC Radio 1’s top thirty:

    Blair was still PM at that time. Yet Channel 4 was still showing programmes such as this (sorry about the low volume level):

  116. From a doctor friend in Gaza.

    Dear All Great Friends
    Dear All Brothers and sisters

    It is with deep sorrow, that I am informing you of the sudden deterioration and death of our beloved brother and friend Dr Mofeed El Mokhallalati who passed away this morning a few hours after undergoing a CABG Surgery to replace blocked coronary arteries.

    I am sure most of you knew him or at least met him. He was the founding dean of Faculty of Medicine- IUG and the former minister of health, He was an active, sincere, kind and humble man who sought welfare for his people and worked very hard to advance the medical education and health care system in Gaza strip.

    may Allah bless his soul, forgive his past sins and guarantee Paradise for him.

    Respectfully yours


    A response

    Thank you for telling …. and me of the passing of brother Mofeed. He was all those things that you say below. I met him several times and could feel his energy and see his commitment. I recall he came from Jaffa, having been displaced by the evil hordes. I could see he had to suppress those strong feelings about the robbery of your land. In that ‘containment’ there is likely disease. Since I first went to the remnants of Palestine I could see this concealed anger and thought cardiovascular disease was possibly triggered by it.

    Tell his family that we share their sorrow for the loss of a decent man who was a giant in his efforts for the medical school. Tell them also that …and I, and good friends think of our sisters and brothers in Palestine. We do our best to help bring attention to the inhuman actions of the occupiers – now especially.


  117. Zionism in practice – Israel’s Daily Toll on Palestinian Life, Limb, Liberty and Property
    24 hours to 8am 21 June 2014

    1 attack – 49 raids including home invasions – 3 beaten – 1 dead – 8 injured – Economic sabotage – 40 taken prisoner – 10 detained – 117 restrictions of movement

    Israeli Army opens fire on people near Bab al-Zawiya
    Israeli Army home invasions death – obstruction of medical aid – assaults and injuries
    Israeli Army violates orphanage in night raid
    Israeli helicopter-borne troops occupy home as sniper post
    Israeli Army raid – news media intimidation
    Israeli soldiers abduct three 15-year-old boys
    Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in 3 refugee camps and 34 towns and villages


    24 hours to 8am 20 June 2014

    4 air strikes – 3 attacks – 55 raids including home invasions – 1 dead – 4 beaten – 25 injured – 2 acts of agricultural/economic sabotage – 50 taken prisoner – 13 detained – 136 restrictions of movement

    14-year-old boy killed in Israeli Army night home invasion
    Israeli air strikes injure children and woman – damage homes
    Israeli air strikes cause injury in East Gaza
    Hijacking: Israeli Navy opens fire on fishing boats – crew taken captive
    Israeli tanks shell Beit Hanun farms
    More Israeli Army violence including beatings – 3 youngsters aged 14 to 16 among the injured
    Settler fanatics beat up and hospitalise West Bank villager
    Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in 3 refugee camps and 30 towns and villages

    Those are the headlines. The detailed narrative is even more shocking.
    (click on Read more)

  118. Mary

    The non Jews of Palestine would have it in their best interest to leave the land and find another land to settle and flourish. The amount of good will among non Jewish people like yourselves could help them find a homeland and help them settle and flourish.
    It would need to be a fertile land and similar to Palestine in nature.
    Maybe Turkey. This then would free up Israel for Jews to settle and then Jews and non Jews could help the Palistinians.
    I am hoping that Israel will lead the world and distinguish itself in other ways satisfactory for all.
    With the Palestinians moved and aided all should be well and doing this could focus many people and resources and will nurture good will.

  119. Oh dear! Quel dommage!

    PM Accused Of ‘Incompetence’ In Secret Tapes
    In a leaked, foul-mouthed conversation, Polish politicians accuse David Cameron of failing to understand Europe.

  120. Jay you are ……. joking, right?

  121. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 Jun, 2014 - 7:29 am

    Mr Goss

    “It is almost as bad as his advocation of torture in Guantanamo.”

    There’s a certain sad repetitiveness about this, isn’t there.

    You periodically come up with that claim.

    I always ask you to substantiate it by inviting you to quote me on that.

    But you never come back with a quote.

    Variant: you occasionally come back to say that one or other of my comments (which you never reproduce either, of course) shows that I “implicitly” support torture.

    These are well-known lefty tactics, you old Commie! :)

  122. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 Jun, 2014 - 7:42 am

    Resident Dissident


    I hope you feel better for that rant, though I doubt it did your blood pressure much good – and all because Habba doesn’t like blowing up people and has the ability to see more than one side to an argument.”

    For a variety of reasons I believe that Tony M – who sudddenly appeared out of nowhere – is actually an agent provocateur and that his rant is entirely synthetic; he does not mean a word of it.

    Why this blog should be judged worthy of receiving the attention of an agent provocateur is a mystery, as the Eminences and their useful idiots are mere armchair warriors and internet heroes – as demonstrated by the silence of California Ben and the Adult Celtic Poetaster in the face of my question:

    “Just to be able to evaluate your bona fides, so to speak – apart from frequently sounding off on this blog (and perhaps on others?)- what do you do in concrete and practical terms to support the Palestinian cause and help the Palestinian people?”

  123. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 Jun, 2014 - 7:52 am

    Mary puzzled

    “Jay you are ……. joking, right?”

    Is she merely demonstrating a lack of humour…..or has she sniffed out TREASON?

    Only time will tell.

  124. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 8:33 am

    A Node –

    I am sure you can find the equations and claimed proofs of Electric Universe theory for yourself: I am certainly not going to supply them, as I am not remotely interested in the idea. Glad the RWiki link stirred it up a bit, though.

    I wouldn’t fall for the ‘reputable scientist endorses this’ argument, though, as many reputable scientists, having made their bones on good science, have then pursued completely wrong ideas. It’s part of the process.

    Personally, I reckon that any whizzo alternative theory of everything that doesn’t produce a model mathematically compatible with the known facts about everything, can be treated with suspicion. As it takes about five years’ hard work to learn the maths which describe physical events at the sub-Newtonian scale, and colossal computing power to apply some of it, I will content myself with that. Any non mathematical physicists here might do the same without shame.

    One might wonder, though, how a hole blown by an improbably large electrical discharge (thousands of miles long, through a highly insulating vacuum, into quite a good insulator, among other major objections) would differ in its appearance from an impact crater. One might be that much of its periphery would be fused solid, and there would be no Tycho – like rays. OTOH we have evidence even here on earth – also on Mercury, Mars and elsewhere – that impact events occur, and the results are what would be expected. Occam’s Razor applies.

  125. Habba “only time will tell”

    Thanks. An appeal to Meliorism right on cue.

  126. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    24 Jun, 2014 - 8:40 am

    It is obvious now that our resident bully here refs up his tactics when Craigs is away or busy with his private life.
    When Craig comes home for another session of issues, he’s much more subdued.

    Meanwhile in the bigger boys politics Cameron is still playing the moral winner when he has shown how naive his bullying of Juncker really was. He’s outplayed his hand and now will have to face the consequences.

    freely translated “David Cameron is isolated after his arghument/spat with Claude Juncker, with humiliation looming during thew forthcoming EU summit. The Britisch premiere has outplayed his hand whilst still posing as the moral winner on the island”

    Meanwhile Ms. Le Pen and her new posterboys in the EU, the populists who play with racismn and have no alternatives to the EU’s woes, who are being paid to shout obscenities at other public representatives, have failed to form a group in the EU as young Mr. Wilders has a’problem with Polish people’. you could not make it up.

    Where to go now Mr. Cameron? Is it a portion of humble pie or will you be forcefed by your own party?

  127. Jay. 6 58am


    Thanks for solving the vexed Palestinian problem.

    Of course this would create a lot of very pissed off Turks but then the non Palestinians of Turkey would have it in their best interest to leave the land and find another land to settle and flourish. The amount of good will among non Palestinian people could help them find a homeland and help them settle and flourish.

    It would need to be a fertile land and similar to Turkey in nature.
    Maybe Israel. This then would free up Turkey for Palestinians to settle and then Palestinians and non Palestinians could help the Turks.

    I am hoping that Palestinians will lead the world and distinguish themselves in other ways satisfactory for all.

    With the Turls moved and aided all should be well and doing this could focus many people and resources and will nurture good will.

    Of course this would leave a lot of very pissed off Israelis but then the non Turkish people of Israel could….

  128. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 8:56 am

    In addition to Blair’s flying visit to Egypt last week and his presence in Riyadh yesterday, his interest in Abu Dhabi should be noted. Long cache link as the FT has a paywall:

    Mr Blair has become an increasingly important contact for Abu Dhabi as tensions between the emirate and the UK have heightened.

    Abu Dhabi was rattled by the rise to power of Islamist parties after Arab uprisings in 2011 and officials accuse the Brotherhood of trying to sow trouble in the UAE. The UK, on the other hand, has been willing to deal with elected governments in the Middle East, regardless of their political orientation.

    Abu Dhabi has signalled its displeasure with the UK through commercial and political pressure. BP was temporarily excluded in 2012 from bidding for an extension to onshore oil concessions. Despite Mr Cameron’s lobbying efforts, the UAE declined to purchase the European Typhoon fighter. Dozens of British military advisers to the UAE armed forces are also heading home after their contracts were not renewed.

    UK-UAE relations suffered further strain earlier this year when three members of Islah, an Emirati organisation that the government says is tied to the Brotherhood, were given political asylum in the UK.

    Sheikh Mohammed is described by people who have visited him recently as “steaming” with anger towards London – and that makes Mr Blair and his more sympathetic attitude all the more valuable.

    IOW, Blair is acting either as a deniable back channel, or, traitorously, against UK government policy in the region.

    He also wholeheartedly supports the Sisi regime in Egypt, whose human rights record is so far none existent, which tortures and executes its opponents, and which imprisons jpurnalists not toeing its line.

    Too right Kerry’s embarrassed. He’s just handed the regime $M500 of USAID as a reward for making Gaza even less endurable for its residents.

  129. Not puzzled. Bloody angry at a suggestion that the Palestinians should evacuate from THEIR land.

    and Hassan f off with your Canadian weight training. Not wanted just like the trolls.

  130. …find another land to settle and flourish. At present the lands of East Ukraine are rapidly emptying so they could go there and solve two problems at a stroke.

  131. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 Jun, 2014 - 9:50 am

    Third time I’m asking the otherwise very voluble Adult Celtic Poetaster:

    “Just to be able to evaluate your bona fides, so to speak – apart from frequently sounding off on this blog (and perhaps on others?)- what do you do in concrete and practical terms to support the Palestinian cause and help the Palestinian people?”

    Come on, show us you’re not just an keyboard warrior!

  132. The bees and their decline.

    After a big fight with Owen Paterson, Big Agri the pesticide producers and the NFU lobby, a two year moratorium was put in place on the use of neonicotinoids.

    This report explains the science.

    24 June 2014 Widespread impacts of neonicotinoids ‘impossible to deny’

    Our lives depend on the bees and other pollinating insects.

    My lawn has turned from green to yellow with a flowering of bird’s foot trefoil. Normally there would be hundreds of honey bees, bumble bees and other species collecting nectar from the tiny flowers. There was not one solitary bee when I looked round earlier.

    Interesting that there is hydrogen cyanide in the plant.


    Killing badgers in not enough for Paterson it would seem. He got it all wrong.

    He should have been put at the MoD instead of that weedy Hammond.

    Badgers: Ministers ‘wilfully’ ignoring science advice
    Pallab Ghosh 23 June 2014

  133. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    24 Jun, 2014 - 10:10 am

    Oh dear, the Lisbon signatory Cameron is throwing his toys out of the pram and he has a stinky nappy to really embarass himself.

    Cameron will force a vote in the EU Parliament being only assured of the chaos of the populist parties, his final embarassment before he gets his fat pension.

    Cameron is speaking for nobody in Britain, a bit like Habby, his agenda is that of the Tory party bereft of many of their voters who left in disgust. Does he really believe that such antics will not hurt British business interest in Europe? gosh what a self centred stalinist ideologue, head down and through the wall, dial on No4.

  134. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    24 Jun, 2014 - 10:14 am

    Thanks for flagging this up again Mary, bees are a key specie and far more important than politicians. Maybe thats why they are not reacting, its a bit like the PR shambles they allowed us to take partin, bless, they makle the decision and nobody else.

    BAN NICOTINOIDS NOW! the evidence is indisputable so why dither?

  135. Insecticides put world food supplies at risk, say scientists

    Regulations on pesticides have failed to prevent poisoning of almost all habitats, international team of scientists concludes

  136. UN rejects Australia’s ‘feeble’ bid to strip Tasmanian forest’s heritage status

    Unesco world heritage committee discards Abbott administration’s request to open 74,000 hectares to logging

  137. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 10:33 am

    Nevermind, Cameron is simply obeying the voices in his head, where the City of London has successfully implanted a remote-control. If Europe becomes more federalist, the ability of the City fat cats to shovel gold into their bulging trousers will be severely impaired. That’s all this is about.

    Meanwhile half the Tories are praying that Cameron will go down with his unilateralist ship, and be replaced by…almost anyone, really.

    High comedy.

  138. “One might wonder, though, how a hole blown by an improbably large electrical discharge … would differ in its appearance from an impact crater”

    Perhaps by producing a long and distinctively ribbon-like pattern of rays, similar to those created in laboratory conditions marking the electron pathways that trigger a discharge event.

    you might equally wonder how a crater of Tycho’s size (medium-large) could end up with its distinctive ray pattern as a result of an impact. Not sure that that produces a model mathematically compatible with the known facts either.

  139. “Sack Blair petition is currently at 6,086

    There are some petitions you wish you could sign a hundred times at least.

  140. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    24 Jun, 2014 - 11:33 am

    Off course it is financial and most likely he’s been pushed by family members as well, but this week his feeble nature will turn to anger and he will discard his soiled nappy, not just the toys.

    The City will not succeed in diverting the course in Europe and they will loose their central point and markets after his talk of pulling out. Deutsche Bank will have to find a different place to dabble in offshoring.

  141. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 11:35 am

    You can model the impact idea in a sandpit, if you care to. Catapult, marble, contrasting layers of fine sand. (Another explanation might be that the Flying Spaghetti Monster takes a bite out of the moon every so often, but tends to dribble when He does so.)

    Alternatively, generate several gazillion volts to tear every single electron off every single atom on earth (converting it into plasma), separate the electrons completely from the earth, to which they will return given half a chance, find a planet or moon which has already had this done to it – which might just provide the potential difference you need – carefully fashion the resulting flow of electrons into a ribbon…oh, I give up. Do some ‘O’ level physics, save me the trouble.

  142. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 11:43 am

    Jon Snow giving Galloway and McTernan (Blair ex-SPAD, also SPAD for Julia Gillard) an equally hard time re Walking Eagle. McTernan comes off worst. Snow rather good.

    “Should Blair Go” is the title – a specific URL for the item is not available

  143. A Node, I think Hannes Alfven is neither a fool nor fraud. I also think he is not a cultist but rather someone who cultists have claimed, like free energy weirdos claimed Tesla, as a kind of scientific Messiah. It’s convenient that he, and others, are deceased and therefore not able to reject the more ridiculous crackpot theories that float around ‘out there’. So my advice to people is to respect, even admire this man but not to worship him as some now do with Tesla.

  144. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 12:12 pm



    Israelis go for moral equivalence with (unknown) kidnappers of Israeli students:

  145. “You can model the impact idea in a sandpit, if you care to. Catapult, marble, contrasting layers of fine sand”

    It’s easy of course to create impacts and study them. What can’t yet be done is replicate Tycho’s ray patterns this way. It doesn’t fit with our current understanding of impacts. O level physics isn’t enough, even PhDs can’t do it.

  146. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 12:25 pm

    I’ll take your word for it. It leads to less aggro, obviously. Happy modelling. And ignore the calculations.

  147. Ba’al Zevul (Chimp Assassin) 24 Jun, 2014 – 8:33 am

    I was neither defending nor attacking EU theory, merely pointing out that the rationalwiki article you linked to didn’t supply the promised summary of why you “would just like to dissociate [your]self from the ‘Electric Universe’ lot. Consisting as it did of no more than name-calling, it was an ironically irrational and unscientific defence of ‘science’.
    Your (own) summary given at 23 Jun, 2014 – 4:18 pm was much better. You should consider editing the rationalwiki article.

    Jemand 24 Jun, 2014 – 11:54 am

    I don’t think you can so easily separate Hannes Alfven from Electric Universe theory. The term didn’t exist when he was formulating his ideas on plasma fields, but if he said today what he said then ……

    “In order to understand the phenomena in a certain plasma region, it is necessary to map not only the magnetic but also the electric field and the electric currents. Space is filled with a network of currents which transfer energy and momentum over large or very large distances. The currents often pinch to filamentary or surface currents. The latter are likely to give space, as also interstellar and intergalactic space, a cellular structure”

    ….. he would certainly be classified as a loony, pseudo-scientific, woo-peddling, Electric Universe crank.

    The history of science is peppered with examples of theorists who’ve been ostracised or worse for going against the orthodoxy. Many were later proved to be correct. Whether this is due to rigid academic structures, or the control of knowledge by vested interests is another argument for another day.

  148. Above, I should have said :

    “.. he would certainly be classified by some as a loony,…”

    And while I’m at it, close inverted commas at end of first sentence.


    24 Jun, 2014 - 2:08 pm

    EU is at the other end of an uncompleted bridge, guys. Build your pylons, one at a time. Start with String. It’s ephemeral, though, and many don’t trust anything but concrete. Use some imagination and heuristics in the evaluation, but only if you enjoy the mind game.

  150. doug scorgie

    24 Jun, 2014 - 5:56 pm

    To Resident Dissident

    Doug Scorgie posed a question:

    “I think that countries with vast poverty levels should not host expensive international events.”

    “I think the priority of those countries should be lifting people out of poverty through the redistribution of wealth.”
    Do you agree ResDis?

    Resident Dissident answers:

    “Well actually I do – as would almost every other believer in social democracy and Keynesianism like myself…”

    Hold on ResDis, the ultimate aim of social democracy is to eventually create democratic socialism i.e. a democracy with a socialist economy – that does not sound like you does it?

    A pork pie perhaps.

    You go on: “…where we of course differ is the means of achieving that progress…the market mechanism has a part to play in the allocation of resources.”

    Which mechanism would that be ResDis?

    The invisible hand of the market (Adam Smith)? Not very Keynesian that is it?

    Or maybe you mean the “trickle down theory? A theory anathema to real social democrats.

    Then you say: “…before you go expounding the superiority of the BRICS…”

    I have never expounded the superiority of any BRIC country ResDis it’s all in your mind.

    I said that Venezuela would be a good illustration of a country where rich individuals and corporations have, for years, undermined the democratically elected government, which has been trying to bring about the elimination of poverty, illiteracy and health inequalities. That statement is true.

    “All you can say is: NO this is not a good illustration – the people in charge have failed to show basic economic competence, a disregard for the better features of market economies, not a little corruption, together with a disdain for freedom of speech and other basic liberties…”

    I find it unsurprising that you make these wild statements, as if they are fact, without any back up.

    You seem to be implying that you would support the forceful removal of the democratically elected governments of the late Hugo Chaves and now Nicolas Maduro. Is that so?

    You go further: “…we [I assume you mean yourself and Habbabkuk] are both quite happy with systems where governments can change in response to what people want and where they are offered a choice…You will of course say that such a choice is illusory – but then rather bizarrely back regimes where the alternatives offered is even more limited.”

    Which regimes have I “bizarrely” backed ResDis?

    You suggest: “…the main reason why democracy doesn’t work for you is that your ideas are so obviously flawed…”

    Which ideas of mine are “so obviously flawed” ResDis? It might help your case to back up what you say.

  151. Oh Luis, what have you done? ….. Again!

  152. @Ba’al:

    Blair must go petition now over 10000, and the Channel 5 news item really helped kick start. Even Rebecca Brookes can’t save his legacy now (but maybe her lawyers can?)

  153. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    25 Jun, 2014 - 10:06 am

    Peter Oborne goes the extra mile:

    That in response to this press release (all tailwagging media) from Blair:

    A spokesperson for Blair responded that all those signed onto the letter are from the “hard right” and hard left” who are “viscerally opposed” to him and averse to his approach to the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, which believes in a two-state solution that can only be achieved in negotiation with Israel.

    Not seeing much sign of the centre ground loving his approach, either. Which believes in going with the Bantustan option only as far as Israel will allow, actually. But that’s just me…

    In addition to the pointers Oborne gives to Blair’s mix ‘n match approach to charity, business interests, his personal wellbeing and his (only) official role as Quartet envoy, it might also be noted that he is planning to extend his operations in Abu Dhabi…facilitated on the ground, perhaps by his remarkable compliance with AD’s rulers’ interest in criminalising the Muslim Brotherhood as an entity throughout the region, and his eagerness to promote that agenda with the aid of multiple murderer and suppressor of free speech, Egypt’s Sisi.

  154. 24 June 2014, 22:14

    Iraq: “The influence of the West is very limited now”

    Play Podcast on the link below 30 mins

    Islamists fighting under the banner of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) say they have fully captured the country’s main oil refinery at Baiji, north of Baghdad. It comes as US Secretary of State John Kerry met Kurdish leaders in the northern Iraqi city of Erbil after he visited Baghdad and pledged US support for Iraqi security forces. Mr Kerry said Iraq’s very existence was under threat. VoR’s Brendan Cole hosts a debate.

    Iraqi Kurdish President Massoud Barzani has strongly suggested that his region would seek formal independence from the rest of Iraq.

    ISIS have overrun a swathe of territory in the north and west including the second-biggest city, Mosul. They are bearing down on a vital dam near Haditha and have captured all border crossings to Syria and Jordan.

    What kind of threat do they pose to the region and the west? Is it an existential one? Will the current borders of Iraq last?

    To discuss this Brendan Cole is joined by:

    Felicity Arbuthnot, a journalist specialising in the Middle East and Iraq

    Sir William Patey, former UK Ambassador to Iraq and adviser to Control Risks

    Jabbar Hasan, director of Iraqi Association in Britain

    Hussein al-Alak, British-based journalist and chairman of the Iraq Solidarity Campaign UK (on the line from Manchester)

    Zaid al-Ali, author of the recently published book The Struggle for Iraq’s Future (on the line from Cairo)

    Soundbites follow

  155. Note Patey ex Ambassador is connected to Control Risks. Craig is the exception having no connections to companies employing mercenaries!

    Blair phoned ambassador almost daily with instructions after Iraq invasion
    Sir William Patey tells Chilcot inquiry it was the first time he had received orders directly from prime minister

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