I am not a Pacifist

by craig on July 13, 2014 1:47 pm in Uncategorized

I am an anti-militarist. But I believe violence in defence can be justified. The Israeli mass killings by bombing in Gaza are absolutely unjustified. I also oppose the random and ineffective rockets being fired from Gaza into Israel. But when Israeli ground troops actually move into Gaza, it is my sincere hope that the Palestinians kill as many as are necessary to stop them. That is justified, legal and necessary.

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  1. Peace will never be achieved in this region until israleis go back to where they come from, name east europe, england, etc.

  2. Tito

    I don’t think that is practical, or desirable. Peace is going to have to be based on people being broadly where people are, but ending the racial and religious segregated states. Just as the solution in South Africa was not to send the white people to Europe.

  3. “But when Israeli ground troops actually move into Gaza, it is my sincere hope that the Palestinians kill as many as are necessary to stop them. That is justified, legal and necessary.”

    If that happens then you are, of course, right, just as when Argentine forces moved into British territory. But that wasn’t right.

  4. Miss Castello

    13 Jul, 2014 - 2:13 pm

    If the Devil incarnate came back to earth, he couldn’t do a better job than this bunch of Nazis. Israel, the Anti Christ.

  5. “Peace will never be achieved in this region until israleis go back to where they come from, name east europe, england, etc.”

    And yet across virtually the entire region we have a situation in which the Jews have fled or been forced out, but the violence continues.

  6. Anon

    The British retaking of the Falklands was legal. The Argentinian invasion was not. But lots of things are legal but not sensible. The government deliberately resolved the Falklands war in the most violent way possible to benefit from jingoism and overcome a disastrous popularity crisis for the Tories at home. Britain’s continued colonial rule over the Falklands is ludicrous.

    Having answered you, any other off-topic derailment efforts (from anybody) will be deleted.

  7. I’m not a pacifist either but I hope some settlement can be reached which forestalls any ground invasion so no more people have to die.

  8. I am appalled by what Israel is allowed to do in Gaza – i.e., concoct a justification for whatever kind of intervention it chooses, allow reporting which only suits its fancies, dragoon the cowardly international community to go along with whatever it wants, as lot as it wants, etc., ad nauseam

    When Slobodon Milosovic attempted similar behavior in Yugoslavia when it came to his treatment of Bosnia and Kosovo, the UN not only kicked the crap out of him, but arranged the dismantling of the country – culminating in his conveniently dying while on trial in The Hague for war crimes.

    The USA even hit Turkey with a devastating earthquake when it tried to help him out during the bombing campaign, resulting in the end of its military rule

    The so-called international community should deal even more harshly with the current thugs running Palestine, but, of course, it will just continue giving them the green light to do whatever they want with the poor imprisoned Palestinians.

  9. “If the Devil incarnate came back to earth, he couldn’t do a better job than this bunch of Nazis. Israel, the Anti Christ.”

    Nicely put. No doubt Murrayistas will be queuing up to denounce your rabid anti-Semitism..

  10. John Hilley has posted the names and ages of the 135 Palestinian people killed by the Israelis since last Tuesday. There do not appear to be any Israeli deaths.


  11. The Palestinians have two choices they can die while Israel bombs them to bits or they can fire some rockets while they die while Israel bombs them to bits.
    In the past they had the choice of being shot while they ran or being shot while they threw a stone.

    These fireworks and stones the Palestinians use are useless against Israel. But the Palestinians choose to do so instead of living in a state which the Israelis call peace.
    It is there choice to make.
    But when it comes to what will work against Israel. The only thing which will work is the prospect of war with a nation that can defeat it. Sykes Picot needs to be reversed. Just as Saladine reversed the devision between the Abasid Khilafah and the Fatimid Khilafah before he dealt with the Crusader states.

  12. The word is sumud, Arabic for steadfastness.

    ‘We stay together, or we leave this world together’
    July 12th 2014

    From the rehabilitation hospital he heads, Dr. Basman Alashi can see where Gaza ends and Israel begins. If he needed a reminder of just how close the border is, it came early Friday morning, when Israel fired two “warning” rockets at the El Wafa Hospital, stoking fears that its 14 remaining patients – all elderly and all dependent on round-the-clock professional care to survive – would become the next victims of a bombing campaign that has so-far killed more than 120 people.


  13. I am a pacifist. I do not know whether I can live up to that ideal under certain circumstances since I have not been put to the test. The people of Gaza have been put to that test. I do not blame Israelis. I blame their government. Until governments are forced to destroy all weapons we cannot have a peaceful world. This little girl from Gaza says it all.


  14. Does Godalming BDS keep such an accurate count of Muslim on Muslim violence, which kills scores more than Israel has in nearly 70 years? Does she publish names and ages, provide us with body counts and tallies of the injured and displaced, keep us updated with dozens of posts per day, describe their actions as sick and unbearable?

  15. خاله ووسو

    13 Jul, 2014 - 3:32 pm

    So where do you draw the line? If to stop Israel killing Palestinians you had to kill/silence most of the politicians in the world who back Israeli violence, would you do it?

  16. خاله ووسو

    13 Jul, 2014 - 3:34 pm

    Craig/mods, while you are around can you please delete Anon’s Godalming Ad Feminem

  17. There are 750,000 occupiers from the “Land of the free and home of the brave ” where “All men are created equal” living in israel, but are among the most strident in advocating evil apartheid upon the original inhabitants. I wonder how a person born under the hallowed and immortal American Declaration of Independence can turn out to become the opposite, it has to be Wendy Shermans DNA then?!

  18. Arsalan – the third choice is total non-violence. Yes, they’ll still suffer descrimination, apartheid, land seizures, beatings, assassinations, imprisonment etc while they demand their civil rights but they won’t hand the Israelis their excuses.

    Unfortunately we’re talking about various disparate groups and its a hugely tall order for them all to change to passive resistance. But its the only way out.

    The Palestinians with Israeli citizenship also have enormous voting strength – but again their vote is hugely fractured. “They are fools” as one senior Isreali politician put it.

    At the moment the Israelis have the Palestian authority (with their own personal vested interests) working for them as the most ardent supporters of the one state, two ghetto solution.

    If Hamas announced a unilateral ceasefire today, excepting the UN calls for one that would completely wrongfoot the Israelis. They need to stop playing into the Israelis hands, demand their civil rights, and resist passively.

  19. “the third choice is total non-violence”

    That was actually Arsalan’s first choice.

  20. “Craig/mods, while you are around can you please delete Anon’s Godalming Ad Feminem”

    Why? Does it shame you that there is so much Muslim violence around the world while you remain silent?

  21. Resident Dissident

    13 Jul, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    Kempe +1 – but as the leaders on both sides are spoiling for a conflict I fear the worse.

  22. MJ. “That was actually Arsalan’s first choice.”

    No it wasn’t. Without the rockets Israel’s don’t have the excuse to bombs them to bits.

  23. @Anon – for your information, the BDS movement is not anti-Israel. In fact, it legitimizes the Zionist entity.


  24. Anon I know nothing about ‘Godalming BDS’ if you are meaning me. I know nothing about Palestine solidarity in Godalming.

  25. I wonder if there is a point (?invasion of Gaza) where it would be legally justified to target foreign supporters of the Israeli government?

  26. Je
    They do have an excuse. They always do. And when they do, the people who support Israel keep on supporting it.
    They didn’t start killing Palestinians like this as soon as Palestinians learnt to make rockets. This has been happening as soon as Zionism started and they needed to kick Palestinians out to take their homes.
    Most of the Rockets are fired at Sidrot. Which was a Palestinian villiage, one were the Palestinians had actually sided with the Zionist. It didn’t stop the Zionists from killing and expelling them all, taking their homes and farms did it.
    They didn’t need the excuse of rockets did they?
    And the supporters of Israel supported that just like they support all else Israel does.

    All the provocation Israel needs to kill is the fact Palestinians breath.

    Jews are now a minority in the land controlled by Israel. So now you will see more of this to keep the Palestinian numbers in check so Israel can carry on claiming to be both a Jewish and a democratic state.

  27. “No it wasn’t. Without the rockets Israel’s don’t have the excuse to bombs them to bits”

    That’s Arsalan’s second choice. The point he was making was that the Palestinians can either do nothing (total non-violence) and get bombed to pieces or offer some token resistance and get bombed to pieces.

  28. Craig,quite a few of the rockets are falling on Palestinian land . Hot of the press .The truth of the matter.

  29. Rehmat – I’m not Jewish.

    I’ve heard a member of Hamas reported a while ago, saying he knows that the violence is counterproductive. He said, they just don’t know how to stop. The Israelis have the freedom. The Palestinians are in the trap. But the statistics are stark. Over a hundred Palestian dead to no Israelis. They have to acknowledge the greater strength of the occupier, and fight for their freedom and their land and their lives in better ways.

  30. Sjb- “I wonder if there is a point (?invasion of Gaza) where it would be legally justified to target foreign supporters of the Israeli government?”

    PS – Anon is in Godalming, if thats what you are after, bwahahaha!

  31. Arsalan/MJ “They do have an excuse. They always do.”

    No, without the rockets, they don’t have the excuse for aerial bombardment. Sure they’ll always find an excuse for all the other stuff. The rockets just play into the Israelis hands – and they’re increasingly futile as weapons.

  32. “I wonder if there is a point (?invasion of Gaza) where it would be legally justified to target foreign supporters of the Israeli government?”

    No, is the answer basically. You have the right to target combatants attacking you. That’s it. In modern warfare a country’s infrastructure also gets attacked – as the Israelis frequently do in Gaza. I think it would be legal for the Palestinians, had they the capability, to take out Israel’s utilities and transport system. It would certainly be a proportionate response. But to take out Tony Blair, sadly, I don’t think is legal.

  33. Je

    Absolutely, the rockets are counter-productive and deplorable.

  34. خاله ووسو

    13 Jul, 2014 - 4:25 pm

    Violence arises when agreed limits are breached. The Agreed Limits in this particular negotiation so far as Israel is concerned are that Israel permanently owns the land that their ancestors were promised. So far as Palestinians are concerned the ownership of the land is very often established by Ottoman Empire records in Istanbul.

    The starting point for ending violence would be that both of those claims are now obsolete. The Ottoman Empire fell when its Muslim political rivals in the Middle East conspired with the British Empire to remove it.

    The lesson to be learned from that, which political Islam has still not managed to learn, is not to try to gain advantage for Islam through political collaboration with its enemies. Muslim power comes from Muslim good deeds, establishing Justice and worshipping God. Anything else is like a worm ouroboros.

    To break the cycle of violence Muslims have to rediscover the meaning of justice from the forgotten teachings of the Qur’an instead of doing it the political way their fathers have done for over 1000 years.

    If the mosque starts with spying on the Muslims at micro level and goes on to deal unfairly at business or local or government or international level, eventually you will get violence, and violence against violence. Human beings do not appreciate being cheated. You think that 2 + 2 = 4, sign the deal and discover that your counterpart in the agreement is saying that 2 + 2 = 5.

    Somebody finds you a wife, then after you are married they tell you that because they found you a wife they can spy on you to check if you’re being a good husband.

    The British knew what they wanted from breaking the Ottoman Empire, oil, Palestine etc and it cost them 2 world wars and an Empire. The Kurdish knew what they wanted from breaking the Ottoman Empire, Caliphate and increased power to Sunni Islam, but it cost them by their country being divided and placed under the power of their enemies and the complete loss of the Caliphate for the Ummah.

    Both sides were trying to cheat the other. If you don’t want violence, then don’t cheat. As both of them like violence as a way of sorting out their cheating, the world has been in a mess because of them ever since. The main mess being the British creation of Israel on account of Kurdish ambition for theological power.
    History repeats.

  35. “without the rockets, they don’t have the excuse for aerial bombardment”

    Israel needs no excuse for air strikes. It goes on all the time. Are you not aware for instance that when the EU funded a new hospital in Gaza, Israeli contractors built the thing, then as soon as it was completed the IDF bombed it to pieces?

  36. And the French built airport and the electricity and water plants over and over.

  37. Short and to the point. Couldn’t agree more. Big regards to you, Craig.

  38. “No, without the rockets, they don’t have the excuse for aerial bombardment.”

    And that’s all it is, an excuse. They’re bombarding Gaza in revenge – for the deaths of three teenagers. They have blamed Hamas for those, but have provided no evidence. None. Reminds me of Bush announcing bin Laden was to blame for 9/11 and then bombarding Afghanistan. The U.S. is another “exceptional country” which thinks it can do what it likes. The U.S. and Israel are well suited.

    I’m so angry I have to take time out and read a ‘funny’ book. Some of the photos on Twitter would make you cry. It’s not a case of people being ‘quietly smothered’ under piles of rubble. There is blood everywhere and gaping wounds. There is a lack of hospital space, a lack of medics, and a lack of medications. Lack of water and lack of electricity.

    It is horrific. Disproportionate doesn’t even cover it. It’s fish in a barrel. And it’s disgusting.

  39. “Follow @ReturnPal for PHOTOS of #GazaUnderAttack reality not shown by your media. Don’t complain they are graphic. Genocide is ‘graphic’!”

  40. I found this excellent essay which provides perspective.

    Repetition and Death in the Colony: On the Israeli Attacks on Gaza
    by Nimer Sultany • 11 July 2014

    Repetition is merely the sign for the oppressed to surrender to fate. Either you accept your suffering or you unleash more suffering. Only eventual freedom will give meaning to the deaths of Gazans.


    Only one thing. The people are Palestinians, not ‘Gazans’.

    About the author.


  41. Je

    But Israel did use airstrikes before rockets existed. And they did use airstrikes during during ceasefire.
    The way Israel sees things is, peace means they attack when they want whenever they want.
    You said such attacks without Palestinian rocket fire can not be justified.
    Well they wouldn’t need to be.
    The press wouldn’t even report it.
    The press only start reporting on things when Palestinians start fighting back.

    What Israel does is it attacks, and kills some people without need to justify because no one will say anything.
    And when Palestinians do anything in response, they will kill a lot more people using that as an excuse.

    The Palestinians have the right to do whatever they want.
    I wont hold it against them that they scare a few people who stole their homes and their farmland with a few fireworks inresponse to the Israelis killing lots of them and maiming loads more.

  42. I can find a Wikipedia list of ‘Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel’ in great detail but absolutely NO list of ‘Israeli attacks on Gaza’. Isn’t that strange? ;)

  43. arsalan “But Israel did use airstrikes before rockets existed. ”

    Yes, when there were other forms of armed resistance. Zionism can be defeated – in the same way Apartheid was. By demographics, peaceful resistance, a demand for justice, and outside pressure. Armed resistance doesn’t work when the imbalance of arms is so great. All we’re seeing is a one-sided slaughter.

  44. Good on President Maduro.

    Venezuela’s Maduro Launches “SOS Palestine” Campaign to Demand End to Israeli Bombardment


    13 Jul, 2014 - 5:41 pm

    Part of the problem is the public perception that all is well until Hamas, or ISIS or Takfiris are firing rockets at civilian centers,

    The IDS facebook page was full of caucasians cheering the Israelis for returning fire. What’s missing is the human face of oppression leading to malnutrition, high infant mortality and scarce potable water. I’ve had many direct conversations with Palestinian emigres and they never have an answer when I remind them of the futility of fact-to-face military confrontation with Israel,. Just as it would have been foolish (but understandable) if Mohandas became a mad bomber, or MLK had called for insurrection, rather than ‘non-cooperation’.

    Of course all this would be easier if the Media would assist with the humanitarian side of the equation. Lacking that, just as many were crushed/killed by the British/ Southern US juggernaut, there has to be a willingness to turn the tide of public perception with suffering that is not muddied by random violence.

  46. Hell brought to earth. Unwatchable. From Harry Fear’s Twitter.


  47. Norman Finkelstein on HRW. HRW should be renamed.

    …. War Criminals’ Stooge Inc. or similar.

    Roth’s record is appalling esp on Syria.


  48. Britain’s chief Zionist, Lord Janner, is pulling an Ernest Saunders and avoiding prosecution for paedophilia by claiming senility. Can someone with a research bent find out for me when he last claimed his House of Lords attendance allowance?

  49. “it is my sincere hope that the Palestinians kill as many as are necessary to stop them”
    – The logical and morally correct aspect of that statement is of course it’s applicability to ALL Zionist theft and aggression against the indigenous population of Palestine. Zionist Israyhell has no legitimacy other than that of the “right” of overwhelming brutality. My Zion be purged and Palestine restored sooner rather than later.

  50. My friends who are muslims deplore the islamo-fascists, I am not a christian – but coming from that culture, I deplore those fundamentalists who claim “christian” justification. The greatest condemnation of extremism comes from those whose beliefs are traduced. I do not know a supporter of ‘radical’ Islam, I have many friends who are radical in the sense that they wish, pray and work for a fair society.

  51. Miss Castello

    13 Jul, 2014 - 6:55 pm

    Anon; 2.31pm

    “No doubt Murrayistas will be queuing up to denounce your rabid anti-Semitism.

    ‘Murrayistas’ (whoever they are)can all fuck off.

  52. I haven’t even started to mention my friends of the Jewish faith – Miss Castello, do you have friends?

  53. It is tiresome for westerners to tut that Palestinian rockets are counter productive.

    Israel treated the Palestinians like shit before the rockets and they would treat them like shit if the rockets stopped tomorrow. It has nothing to do with the rockets. The rockets are a sign of desperate rage.

    Illegal? Who the fuck cares about the law? Funny how the law cannot stop relentless massacre but it will be quoted to defend mass murderers.

    Kick a dog for years and when it eventually bites back would you say the nip is disproportionate because it is against the law?

    Any Palestinian, no anyone, who killed Blair would be a hero. Fuck the law. It’s their law.

  54. Mary @ 4:59pm


    As usual for Wikipedia articles on Israel/Palestine, the associated discussion pages (including in this case the AFD page) can be more illuminating than the article itself (click on the “Discussion” and “View history” tabs).

  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jul, 2014 - 7:16 pm

    “Venezuela’s Maduro Launches “SOS Palestine” Campaign to Demand End to Israeli Bombardment”

    His energies might be better deployed in trying to solve his own country’s political, economic and social woes, which are considerable.

    Typical distraction!

  56. I agree about David Mellor Craig. There is no one with a wide world view in the present government. The emphasis is on increasing personal wealth. The greater good does not enter into it. Mellor was a Swanage Grammar schoolboy and there’s the difference from the Bullingdon Boys posse with their Eton background.

    Ref Janner, the last claim I can see is for August 2013 for one day @ £300. In July, 2013 he claimed £2,850 for 19 days.


    I had not realized that there were so many lords and ladies at the collective trough. 21 pages or so x 35 entries per page = 700 approx.

    His dementia must have been sudden and rapid.

    His daughter is a Reform rabbi. http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/prof_184.html

  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jul, 2014 - 7:23 pm


    You have certainly stirred the troops into “action”. But, nevertheless, there are some nuggets of good sense among the dross of the comments.


    But it’s Sunday evening, I’m feelong strict,and I want to tease you. So would you please compare and contrast the following :

    “Having answered you, any other off-topic derailment efforts (from anybody) will be deleted.”


    “Britain’s chief Zionist, Lord Janner, is pulling an Ernest Saunders and avoiding prosecution for paedophilia by claiming senility. Can someone with a research bent find out for me when he last claimed his House of Lords attendance allowance?”

    Disclaimer : I am not related or in any way connected with Lord Janner and/or any organisation with which he is connected.


  58. Miss Castello

    13 Jul, 2014 - 7:25 pm

    John Goss; 3.09 pm

    Do israeli’s not have a mouth, and a brain to go with it? They don’t appear to have any problems shouting “Death to Arabs” do they? isra-hell doesn’t need apologists for its filthy war crimes. It has Britain & the US of Assholes for that.

    ‘Show me the Fuhrer to lay all the blame
    Where were the cry’s of “not in my name”
    As you watched from the sidelines, ‘Gurion’s Game’
    immune to the suffering of grief loss and pain

    Dave to Goliath, roles now reversed
    Victim to bully, chapter and verse
    Goebbels to Gaza, shades of ‘Mein Kampf
    Checkpoints and cameras, ID cards to stamp’

    Hard to believe, in the land of one’s birth
    1.7 million denied freedom, self worth
    Whilst Wankers in Whitehall, free roam this earth’


  59. Miss Castello

    13 Jul, 2014 - 7:37 pm

  60. Neil Thanks for that. Although Operation Protective Edge is ongoing place at this very moment, I see that there is a suggestion that the page should be deleted. WTF?

    Nishidani contributor has been accused of being a Jew baiting Anti Semite! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nishidani and Fitzcarmalan contributor prefers to keep a low profile.

  61. Mary @ 7:50pm

    I see that there is a suggestion that the page should be deleted. WTF?

    Click on the link “this article’s entry” on the deletion notice for the AFD (Articles for Deletion) page. As I said, also quite illuminating (BTW, there is no chance that it will be deleted).

  62. You see, or not as the case maybe. Sure I am not really interested in Football…The Band were Brilliant…There was No TV on..and my wife went to Th Cider and Garden Festival Before Me…

    So I had Two Pints of Tap Water..she had another half…I walked home alone///I asked at The Porteguese Restraunt…and well I do understand…Normally they would have invited me in…

    We do have some Argentinian Friends…

    Did it start at 7pm?

    Is it now Half Time???

    I have no idea what the score is…if it has even started yet…

    But I want The Argentinians To Win…

    Now How do I switch My Telly On???

    Not Finished Yet.


  63. technicolour

    13 Jul, 2014 - 8:16 pm

    “We’re part of a club, and we paid a very expensive membership fee to get in,” said Rami Elhanan, an activist with the Parents Circle, which includes both Israeli and Palestinian families who have lost loved ones to the conflict. His daughter Smadar was killed in a suicide bombing in 1997.

    “We are not going to let them use our pain to enlarge this club,” he said.

    Elhanan pointed out the other dozen activists — this one lost a mother, this one a brother, this one a son.

    “Every one of the people here has on their back a very heavy weight,” he said. “We paid that price and we know how important it is not to have other people join.”


  64. ….on going/taking place….

  65. “Illegal? Who the fuck cares about the law?”

    Oh, they’ll bluster in public, but in private, safe behind Nanny America’s skirts, they beg for protection from the “most dangerous issue”: http://wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10TELAVIV417.html

    Because times change.

    “the ball is now in the court of Palestine”
    “we are waiting for them”

  66. Looks like there has been one Israeli death.

    “An Israeli soldier was killed and three others were injured after their vehicle was targeted north of Gaza.”



    13 Jul, 2014 - 8:25 pm

    Chos; You should stick with one identity. I think it was you who counseled patience, yet your link indicates a very long wait indeed.

    “Indeed, after Operation Cast Lead, I recommended to President Abbas that Palestine accept the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court, which President Abbas did do. And what happened? Mr. Moreno-Ocampo, the ICC prosecutor threw it out and said, “Well, it’s not for me to determine whether Palestine is a state,” despite the fact that Palestine had de jure diplomatic relations with 133 states and also state membership in UNESCO, a U.N. specialized agency. Still Mr. Moreno-Ocampo this coward and this hypocrite had the gall to just throw aside Palestine’s acceptance of jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court and to investigate Israel for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide.’

  68. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    13 Jul, 2014 – 7:23 pm
    Craig can write what he likes, say what he likes and do as he likes, unlike you on his blog.

    PS La vita non è bella per i Palestinesi.

  69. Not a Pacifist?

    Oh come on Craig..I can’t imagine you with a gun unless you threatened to take his gun off him and stick it up his arse.

    Great Match

    My Wife is home now…

    She is asking me if I can do The Gravy…

    We have Roast Chicken on a Sunday.


  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jul, 2014 - 8:56 pm


    “Craig can write what he likes, say what he likes and do as he likes, unlike you on his blog.”

    I quite agree, dear girl! Good to see you recognising it’s Craig’s blog, because some of your previous utterances gave me the impression you sometimes think it’s yours.

  71. Mads Gilbert is back in Gaza. Déjà vu. Cast Lead revisited.

    Israel hits Gaza with banned weapons: Norwegian doctor
    13 July 2014 06:54 (Last updated 13 July 2014 19:20)

    At least 166 Palestinians, mostly civilians, have been killed in Israeli airstrikes since late Monday


    Renounced Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert on Sunday accused the Israeli army of using internationally banned weapons in its ongoing offensive against the Gaza Strip.

    Gilbert told a press conference in Shifa Hospital in Gaza City that examinations of the bodies of the Palestinian victims showed that they had been subjected to internationally banned weapons.



    Reference http://guevents.georgetown.edu/event/mads_gilbert_eyes_in_gaza_what_did_i_see_what_can_you_do#.U8Lm73JwbSd

  72. Apparently this is what they are using:


    Does anyone else agree with George Galloway’s plea to stop paying your BBc license fee??

  73. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jul, 2014 - 9:09 pm


    La vita sarebbe ancora più bella pei Palestinesi se cessassero di sparare razzi contro Israël.

  74. I think they meant ‘renowned’. Some years ago, I heard Mads Gilbert speak at UCL about his experiences in Gaza during Cast Lead. He has a terrific personality and spoke very movingly of what he and his Palestinian doctor colleagues dealt with over that dreadful time which lasted for 23 days. Some of his photos have stayed in my memory.

  75. Does anyone else agree with George Galloway’s plea to stop paying your BBc license fee??

    At least in USSR the population were not forced to pay for their propaganda. On the other hand in the capitalist UK the population are forced to pay for the propaganda that they are subjected to, in the format of the bbc license, that is so rigorously enforced and any one transgressing through none payment are fined and jailed to boot. We the people need to start thinking about license strikes.

    DIME weapons are filthy nasty weapons that dismember anything at the height of 30cm to 75cm (one foot to two and one half of a foot) ie any children in its path are decapitated their heads cut off clean a well as lots of limb amputations leaving the wounds highly impregnated with the super heated cloud of the vaporised heavy metal that in turn creates weird infections and an agonising death. The remains are often discoloured and have a distinct odour. I am sure you are aware of that.

    The crimes against humanity and peace committed by the mad rabid zinoists and explained way by the coterie of the zionist apologist scum somehow never entertain the horrid realities of the war crimes of the zionist mercenaries.

    Although fact that Palestinians are still preserving their identity after seventy year of sustained war on them and fighting the occupation is a testament to the Palestinians tenacity and bravery, and clear indication of the failure of the mad rabid zionists in subjugating the Palestinian nation, despite the applications of enormous amounts of force and explosives.

  76. One has to admit that Gaza Muslims are more humane than Israeli Jews.

    Dr. Izzeldin Abuelaish 54, a Hebrew-speaking Gaza-born Israeli doctor at Chaim Sheba Medical Center, Tel Aviv and peace activist, was getting ready to join his new posting at the University of Toronto – but his dream of living a safe place with his eight children was smashed by the Israel Occupation Force (IOF) shelling of his house in Jabaliya during the final days of Israel’s 23-day attack on Gazzah, world’s most crowded place with 1.5 million Muslim and Christian Palestinian natives living on a small piece of land surrounded by Israel and its Arab collaborators. As result of Israeli shelling, Dr. Abuelaish’s three daughters, Bisan 20, Mayar 15, and Aya 13 along with their cousin, Nour 14, were martyred while seriously injured one sister Shatha 16. Dr. Abuelaish’s wife, Nadia, had died of leukemia before the Israeli attack.



    13 Jul, 2014 - 9:37 pm

    John curry-comb. Horse face and a horse’s ass.

  78. Messy? I blame my Dad..He went to Ushaw College..They were Trying To Make Roman Catholic Priest Out Of Him…

    They sent me to Upholland Priests Training College when I was 10///

    I Looked Around and Immediately Realised There Were No Girls Here…and Demanded To Be Taken Home

    So as Catholics…my Dad didn’t say ..how could he tell me…

    It is much Better Without a Condom…

    It Just Doesn’t Feel the Same…

    Has anyone Scored Yet?

    I am rooting For Argentina.


  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jul, 2014 - 9:42 pm

    California Ben

    “John curry-comb. Horse face and a horse’s ass.”

    Gosh, that was witty, Ben. And very subtle with it.

    Now you can have a final smoke before going to bed (dried horse dropppings, perhaps?), happy in the knowledge of having done another day’s useful and productive work. :)

  80. Je

    South African Blacks did use armed resistance.

    And Israel would love it if Palestinians just sat back and got killed without lifting a finger to defend themselves. They would expel, kill, take houses and towns and demolish them to build what they want to on top of them. Just as they do now, except they would use the fact that the Palestinians don’t resist to say, they don’t mind.
    Sort of like what they say about all the discrimination Palestinian citizens of Israel face.

  81. I think it is wrong to compare South African apartheid with Zionism. South African Aparthied wanted to seperate whites from Blacks.
    It had no desire to expel all blacks out of South Africa and imports whites in their place.
    Zionism attempts Genocide and expulsion of the native population to be replaced by imported Jews.
    The closest comparison to Zionism is Nazi Germany. But even then, Zionism compares badly with Nazi Germany because Hitler had abolished the reichstag while Israel is a democracy. So Germans shared none of the blame for what Hitler did, while the people who voted for every Israel Government since the establishment of Zionism share the blame for all the actions of those governments.

    To tell Palestinians to stick to none Violent resistance while they are cramed and starved in concentration camps like Gaza would be no differnt to telling a Holocoast surviver that he should have limited himself to non-violent resistance while he was in auswitch.

  82. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jul, 2014 - 10:10 pm


    Just a couple of points, the first one historical:

    1/. “South African Blacks did use armed resistance.”

    And they got hammered.

    2/. “They {the Israelis}would expel, kill, take houses and towns and demolish them to build what they want to on top of them.”

    They wouldn’t – we are talking about Gaza here.

  83. In the Arab world, does World Cup soccer trump the Gaza war?asks that vile racist rag, the Jerusalem Post.

    Can we guess what the Zionists would say if say an Iranian or Egyptian newspaper asked, in connection with a hypothetical slaughter of hundreds of Israeli Jewish civilians in Tel Aviv, in the latest massacre in a conflict which killed one Jewish child every 3 days for more than a decade, “In the Jewish world, does reading the business pages trump the Tel Aviv massacre?

    Use the word ‘Zionazi’, people! It’s accurate.

    If anyone reading this is still buying their underwear at Marks and Spencer’s, shame on you!

  84. I never betrayed her and she never betrayed me. I never betrayed my wife, and she has never betrayed me. She is not interested in football…and whilst I am watching Extra Time in The World Cup Final…She Asks Me if I can make her phone work…Its Been (I suspect hacked to fuck…or maybe its a hardware fault..So I did..whilst eating my TeA. hAS ANYONE SCored YET? I don’t Do Penalties


  85. Oh Come on..Even David Beckham can do Better Than That…Good Match Though…They Didn’t Fake It.

    Thank God , we are not going to a German Beach Next Week in The Greek Islands…

    They will be even Nicer than normal.

    My Audi is now in Lithuania.


  86. The uncle of a slain Israeli teenager consoles the father of a murdered Palestinian teenager. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.

    The words on dreoilin’s twitter picture, above link,

    How many people is it ‘necessary to kill’? How many armchair warriors are cheering on this violence? How many deaths are too many? How hard is it to just say stop?

  87. More Israelis opposing the Israeli state.


    via media lens forum

  88. Phil

    Marginalised non-entities. It means nothing.

  89. Meanwhile back in the real world

    zionist Lynch mob hunting for Arabs

  90. “Simon Cowell donates £100,000 to Israeli soldiers to please pregnant girlfriend Lauren Silverman”


    Jolly generous of Simon.

    Can’t be bad for the old careerio neither. I mean, what if he’d refused.

    Anyway, you don’t have to be rich to help out.

    You can keep 5 Israeli soldiers slaughtering for a whole day, from $28. Lashings of oats at 10 cents a pop would of course make them even more efficient, but whatever they’re into, eh.

    Go on. You know you want to:


  91. “Marginalised non-entities. It means nothing.”

    I can hear ‘them’ saying that about ‘us’ – the majority of the British people – in the run-up to Afghanistan/Iraq.

  92. …. targeted water wells in different parts of Gaza City, leaving thousands of families without access to clean drinking water. An Oxfam official said going into the weekend that 90 percent of the water in Gaza was already unsafe to drink .

    The sewerage system is also a target, with Israeli warplanes targeting sewage treatment stations in West Gaza City early on Saturday. The areas most affected are Shati refugee camp, Tal al-Hawa, Sheikh Ejleen and most Western districts, according to Saed al-Din Atbash, head of water facilities at Gaza Municipality.

    That is in addition to whatever restrictions that there are on the scant water allocation and access that is given to the Palestinians is further eroded by deliberate destruction of the water infrastructure, and creating an environment for pandemic water born diseases to extirpate the indigenous populations of the Palestinians in the way of realising the fairy stories that the murderous zionists are weaned on.

  93. Hurrah for the Communist Party of Israel (e&oe)

    “The Communist Party of Israel Strongly Condemns Israeli Aggression in Gaza, and Rejects Any Attack on Civilians – Israelis and Palestinians Alike”


    (thanks, Phil)

  94. The Times of Israel reported that Zionist prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Friday: “I think Israeli people understand now what I have been say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security of the territory West of the River Jordan (the Wes Bank).”

    Israel’s justice minister Tzipi Levni and Israel’s outgoing president Shimon Peres have admitted that Netanyahu has never missed an opportunity to sabotage peace negotiations with Mahmoud Abbas. Like Netanyahu, Israel’s president-elect Reuven Rivlin also don’t believe in an independent Palestinian state, but contrary to other Israeli leaders, he wants the Zionist regime to treat non-Jew citizen of Israel “more humanly”.

    Anyone, who has studied history of Zionism from some objective source, he would know that Zionist leaders will never like to live with Palestinians and neighboring Arabs in peace – because they fear that would be the begining of the end of the Zionist entity.


  95. Craig,

    As a pacifist i have to disagree with one part of your post.

    I hope the Palestinians kill as FEW as necessary to repel the invasion.

  96. Habbabkuk moaning about distractions on this blog??

    LOL…Jeeez…we’ve seen it all now!

    You’re such a piss poor sockpuppet troll Habba why don’t you expend your useless energy on blogs where the punters are stupid enough to buy your schoolboy-level schtick?

    You’re woefully bad at your job Habba…try somewhere else eh?

    Even your line manager is weeping at your ineptitude.

  97. If an Israeli solider as much as tears a nail in a ground invasion, it will be held as proof that the invasion was necessary, because Palestinian monsters had to be killed.

    We – the US, Canada and the UK – “recognise Israel’s right to defend herself”, or words to that effect. But that’s all we recognise, because it’s a coward’s limited vision. We do not recognise the rights of Palestine at all. Not even its right to its own citizens’ human rights. Certainly not a right to exist – afaik, only Israel has that right – unique in the world. Does Holland have a declared “right to exist”? Poland? Any other country at all, less still a chemically, biologically and nuclear arm country ?

    The Irish must be might grateful this philosophy was not in place over the past few decades. Surely the US would not object to the bombing of every building in which a potential IRA operative and/or sympathiser might reside.


    But I would regret every casualty of the IDF , because it would only make it easier to blur the portrayal of this one sided atrocity.

  98. “People are passing around a disturbing exchange at the State Department Tuesday (first spotted by Megan Iorio at Just Foreign Policy) in which the State Department spokesman emphasized Israel’s right to defend itself from rocket attacks from Gaza but was then incapable of saying that Palestinians have a right to defend themselves from Israel’s onslaught of missiles.”


    (transcript and video)

  99. Twitter

    A rocket fired from Gaza hit a power cable running from Israel to Gaza strip, disrupting electricity flow to 70,000 Gazans.

    Netanyahu and Minister of Infrastructure Shalom jumped on the opportunity to announce the cable won’t be repaired until Hamas stops firing.

    But the rush by both politicians to announce is intended to rally their right-wing base, which wants Gaza disconnected from electricity


  100. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Jul, 2014 - 6:52 am

    Good morning everyone from sunny …..!

    I hope no one – and especially not the defenders of the rights of children everywhere – will forget that the United Nations have proclaimed today as MALALA DAY.

    Please spare a thought for the child victims of Taliban intolerance and obscurantism.

    Thank you!

  101. Bowen has just said on Radio 4 Today ‘It’s a question of how much blood is spilt before there’s any ceasefire’. !!!

  102. Craig
    “Marginalised non-entities. It means nothing.”

    Aren’t we all marginalised non-entities?

    I like marginalised non-entities. Much preferable to entities. The marginalised non-entities shall inheret the earth!

    Don’t be such a dismissive knee jerk Craig. Was it the commie bit that offended you? I suspect if it was a small group of liberals organising against the Israeli state you would have applauded their efforts.

  103. Mira Bar Hillel
    Friday 11 July 2014

    Why I’m on the brink of burning my Israeli passport
    I can no longer stand by while Israeli politicians like Ayelet Shaked condone the deaths of innocent Palestinian women and children

    She is young. She is pretty. She is a university graduate and a computer engineer. She is also an Israeli Parliamentarian – and the reason why I am on the brink of burning my Israeli passport. Because behind that wide-eyed innocent face lurks the Angel of Death.

    Ayelet Shaked represents the far-right Jewish Home party in the Knesset. This means she is well to the right of Benyamin Netanyahu, just in case you thought such a thing was not possible.

    On Monday she quoted this on her Facebook page: “Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”


    Shaked is a charmer.

  104. Protest tomorrow outside the BBC. 5.30pm
    Join the demonstration the BBC can’t miss – on their own doorstep. The BBC’s reporting of Israel’s deadly assault on Gaza fails to explain the years of occupation and siege Palestinians have endured. We say, give the full picture – report the truth on Gaza.

    Also, co-sign our letter to the BBC: http://act.palestinecampaign.org/petition/bbc

    Plus, on Saturday 19th July, join the national demonstration for Gaza: https://www.facebook.com/events/1432359410378067


    Brian Eno joins criticism of BBC’s bias against Palestinians
    Amena Saleem 07/13/2014
    Palestine Solidarity Campaign

    Musician Brian Eno and a former BBC Middle East correspondent (Tim Llewellyn) are among the public figures who have condemned the BBC in recent days for lack of impartiality in reporting Israel’s assault on Gaza and the West Bank and for valuing Israeli lives above those of Palestinians.

    Meanwhile, there have been large public protests outside several BBC facilities and more are planned in coming days.


    Good comments below.

  105. Mary; “Bowen has just said on Radio 4 Today ‘It’s a question of how much blood is spilt before there’s any ceasefire’. !!!”

    He probably means Israeli blood, you know that the Israelis cannot tolerate losing any lives to those “worthless insect-like” Palestinians; actually it’s the best tactic for the Palestinians to try to kill as many as possible asap to force the Israelis to stop their mass murdering spree.

  106. It is actually Bastille Day today

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!

    We are still waiting.



    Poor deluded little Malala. So used by the Western gangsters-in-charge.

  107. I think Jeremy Bowen’s arrival has markedly reduced the absolutely crazed pro-Israeli bias of the BBC. He is one of the few genuine reporters surviving there.

  108. Yes Macky why do the Zionists use such phrases such as ‘drugged cockroaches in a bottle’, when referring to the Palestinians.

    I mentioned Rabbi Baruch Goldstein earlier when quoting these horrid words from Rabbi Perrin in 1994.

    ‘ “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail,” Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said in a eulogy. At the service in Jerusalem, attended by 300 people, one man shouted, “We are all Goldstein,” an opinion echoed across Qiryat Arba by neighbors who said variously that they approved of his attack on the Arabs or at the least could not judge him.’

    There is a definite exceptionalism.

  109. There are many other similar threads on Medialens ref BBC output on the ME from Bowen, Marcus, Urban, Simpson, Somerville, Reynolds, Muir, Pannell, Wood et al.

    Jeremy Bowen carefully steers viewers away from the crux issue.

    Posted by rippon on July 13, 2014, 11:59 pm

    Bowen: “When Israel says they’re responding for attacks on their civilians, so Hamas is responsible, no Palestinian listens.”

    It is crystal clear to Bowen that it’s not the case that no Palestinian “listens” to Israel but that no Palestinian believes Israel.

    This is crystal clear because, just seconds earlier in his report, a Palestinian is making that clear (disbelieving Israel because he has listened but does not believe).

    Since this must be clear to Bowen, it raises the question of how/why Bowen deliberately distorts Palestinians’ disbelief of Israel into an unwillingness to listen.

    This distortion requires significant skill; it’s not something a journalist can do accidentally. Bowen’s motive is clearly not to raise the question of why would Palestinians not believe Israel because that would raise the question, Does Israel lie?

    So Bowen’s journalistic practice in this instance is one of mendacity – carefully steering viewers away from the crux issue (Israel’s lies).

    Re: Jeremy Bowen carefully steers viewers away from the crux issue.

    Posted by John Hilley on July 14, 2014, 1:15 am, in reply to “Jeremy Bowen carefully steers viewers away from the crux issue.”

    Indeed. It’s just the most perfect lesson in boundaried journalism watching Bowen’s tortured and ultra-cautious efforts to avoid specifying Israel’s true mendacity and getting to the heart of the issue: the illegal siege and occupation.

    He bears witness to the killing, and gives a certain voice to suffering Gazans, but the language is still that of ‘two intractable, warring sides’ battling out another ‘familiar conflict’.

    It’s a dark paradox, because while Bowen appears to show sincere feeling for the victims, his resort to false language and suppressed context is an actual human betrayal of those dead and broken people he’s just witnessed.



  110. Craig; “I think Jeremy Bowen’s arrival has markedly reduced the absolutely crazed pro-Israeli bias of the BBC. He is one of the few genuine reporters surviving there”

    “Genuine” or delusional !?

    “I am not saying criticism from both sides makes the BBC perfect. We’re not. But if viewers around the world want the best account there is of what’s happening, then it’s on the BBC”


  111. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    14 Jul, 2014 - 8:40 am

    Israel treated the Palestinians like shit before the rockets and they would treat them like shit if the rockets stopped tomorrow. It has nothing to do with the rockets. The rockets are a sign of desperate rage.

    In a nutshell, Phil.

    And memories seem to be short regarding the current outbreak. Three settler teenagers. Remember? Hamas denied responsibility: plausibly, as this was not Hamas’ MO. Then multiple raids all over the occupied territories, targeting Hamas, hundreds of arrests, including the re-arrest of ex-prisoners freed in the latest exchange. Settlers all but openly encouraged to kick the shit out of the untermensch. Even Ghandi would have a job swallowing that (and did India gain its independence because of Ghandi? I doubt it).

    Indeed this all tracks further back: to the Palestinian efforts to obtain recognition st the UN, which absolutely infuriated Netanyahu, and to the detente between Hamas and Fatah. This last is absolutely unacceptable to the Zionists, as the old and successful policy of divide-and-conquer is threatened. To read the assault as simply a response to the rockets is far from accurate. Israel can unfortunately trigger the rockets whenever it likes, at very little risk to itself, as we have seen. Why? Because it will do anything, anything to avoid a fair settlement of the territorial issue.

    The R4 Today programme this morning prefaced its coverage of Gaza with the words, “This is an asymmetrical war.” No doubt that is the perception we are now being fed, but perish the thought that these ‘wars’ (roughly every two years) are actually desired by and instigated by Israel. And that the asymmetry consists in one side’s being completely without the means to defend itself or effectively to attack.

    The Gaza death toll will rise to 300*, and then the Israelis will magnanimously submit to the gently restraining hand of the US and reduce the incursions – they never wholly stop, but that’s a detail. Moves will be made to restart the peace process, which will unaccountably run into problems re settlement building, which will continue unchecked. Then there will be an incident. Then there will be another ‘asymmetric war’

    Pencil 2016 into your diaries for that.

    *that’s 100X the number of dead teenagers, right?

  112. Mary,

    Bluntly, I think that analysis is nonsense. It gets into fine linguistic distinction while ignoring context and more crucially image. The images are very powerful, of dead Palestinian children and other civilians and of grieving Palestinians. It is plain that is why they don’t “listen” to Israel, not stupidity or stubbornness. The closing image of the blood being sluiced off the morgue trays, and the comment that this is to get ready for the next night’s arrival, is devastating.

    I don’t think Medialens do themselves any favours by criticising the BBC on the rare occasions when they do a good job.

  113. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    14 Jul, 2014 - 8:57 am

    Tony Blair, meanwhile, after what one hopes was not an agreeable day in Baku, seems to have headed back to Egypt, and then again to Israel, but details are sparse. In Cairo, here he is chatting to al-Sisi. Who may be more worried than he is about what is happening in Gaza.

    As yet nothing has emerged as to what Blair actually hopes to do that official channels are not well able to accomplish, but no doubt he has Netanyahu’s approval, and no doubt Price Waterhouse Cooper and some money are involved somehow.


  114. The “Communist” Party of Israel supports the existence of a Jewish-supremacist state, albeit in its pre-1967 borders. And to restrict the word “occupied” to the territories occupied in 1967 is a lie. Imagine South Africa. Imagine wanting a bantustan state alongside South Africa itself.

    There are a small number of people with Jewish backgrounds carrying Israeli passports – and an even smaller number of people who carry Israeli passports and still call themselves Jewish – who are genuinely anti-racist, opposed to the existence of Israel, in favour of the Palestinian right to return, and in favour of paying of reparations to the Arabs. Opposition to the existence of the state of Israel is an absolute sine qua non as far as I am concerned. Such people are even more marginalised than the “C”PI, of course. To use the word “non-entities” is rude and unnecessary. Everybody who is on the right side should be encouraged and respected.

    There are various arseholes who say they are “anti-Zionist” who actually support a two-state solution and who basically don’t like some of the actions of the Zionazi state because they make Jews look bad (causing a shanda fur die goyim). I am talking about the sort of fuckers who say they don’t like Arabs being made to play the violin at Zionazi checkpoints – especially when news gets out – because it oppresses themselves “as Jews”. These bastards even dragged the name of Israel Shahak into the dirt after he died. Shahak was opposed to the Jewish-supremacist entity and would have been absolutely disgusted if he’d heard anybody say that he agreed with the position that Jews should have a special role, because they are Jews, to lead the opposition to racism. He utterly rejected such an obnoxious and racist view, and it was especially vile to see that view attributed to him in obituaries. Such of course is the power of Zionist scum in the western media.

    Fuck all racism. Genuinely human values necessarily apply to everyone “as humans”. It’s very very simple.

  115. This is probably a bit off topic but it concerns the American boy who was visiting family in Palestine, was beaten up by the Israelis and then arrested.

    Florida sounds like the Israel of Southern USA. The Israel lobby is alive and well there.

    Florida Congresswoman sides with Israeli police over her own brutalized teenage constituent
    by MAX BLUMENTHAL on July 13, 2014

    ‘On July 10, Democratic Representative Kathy Castor of Florida’s Tampa Bay area issued an impassioned plea for the protection of endangered manatee whales. At the same time, she remained conspicuously silent about the brutal beating and ongoing detention of one of her constituents by a foreign government.

    Tarek Abu Khdeir, a 15-year-old Palestinian-American high school student from Tampa, was brutally beaten in a videotaped July 3 incident in occupied East Jerusalem by Israeli border police. After being thrown in prison, he is now held under house arrest without charges, unable to receive adequate medical care for the extensive injuries he sustained during the beating. (Video of the alleged beating at the bottom of this article).’
    ‘Florida Representatives Bill Deutsch and Ileana Ros-Lehtenin recently embarked on a junket to Israel where they met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, issued statements of sympathy for the three Jewish Israeli teens kidnapped and killed last month apparently by Palestinian militants, and expressed vehement support for Israel’s ongoing military assault on the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Neither lawmaker has said a word on Abu Khdeir’s beating and detention, however.

    While Florida Senator Bill Nelson has kept mum over Abu Khdeir, another Florida Democrat, Representative Dennis Ross, sent a letter to a member of the Abu Khdeir family questioning whether Tariq Abu Khdeir was actually innocent. “Though all of the facts surrounding the incident remain somewhat unclear,” Ross wrote, “it is widely reported that Tariq was participating in a protest in Palestine in response to the kidnapping and murder of his cousin, a Palestinian teenager.”’
    ‘Shibly, the Abu Khdeir family’s legal representative, captured the sense of frustration: “The silence we’re witnessing from Castor and the rest of Congress gives the impression that they care more about Israeli police officers than an American teen.”’


  116. I do not ‘know’ rippon but I ‘know’ John Hilley on the internet. He runs a weekly Scottish PSC stall in Glasgow, protests at Faslane, and supports Scottish independence I believe. I will pass your comments on to him Craig just for information and not with the aim of driving any wedges between this blog and Medialens, both very valuable now more than ever.

    His blog http://johnhilley.blogspot.co.uk/

  117. Mary

    The loyalty of most American politicians is to Israel and not America.
    The Reason for this is AIPAC. AIPAC pays for their election campaigns. The minute they stop supporting Israel is the minute their funding will stop and they will loss the next election.
    The same applies to this country to a lesser extent with the Conservatives Friends of Israel, The Labour Friends of Israel and the Liberal Friends of Israel.

  118. Miss Castello

    14 Jul, 2014 - 9:32 am

    Paula Rose; 6.58pm

    In relation to mine, your comment is incomprehensible. In answer to “do I have friends”? yes thanks; but not the sort that would do this to another human being; or condone it.


  119. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    14 Jul, 2014 - 9:33 am

    I’ve never been greatly impressed by Jeremy Bowen’s radio coverage of previous attacks on Gaza. Still, he was actually in Gaza this morning, and delivered a fairly neutral – bordering on anodyne – report on ‘Today’. On the other hand, Kevin Connolly in Jerusalem must have been personally briefed by Bibi.

  120. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella)
    Black Armed struggle in South Africa played a key part in making apartheid ungovernable. And the blacks got just as hammered when they took part in non-violent protess. Or when they were being expelled from their homes.

    You might be talking about Gaza seperately, but I am not. And even if you are just talking about Gaza, every now and again, someone would get shot from an Israeli guard, and a house would get bombed and Israel would call get peace as long as the Palestinians did not retaliate.
    And the media would agree because most of this would not even get reported. It would be just business as usual.

  121. But even without the Israelis killing Palestinians as individuals, when an Israeli soldiers sees him in his farmland close to the exclusion zone Israel has enforced that occupies most gazan farms, or the assinations of people who Israelis have said are millitants by bombing their houses. Or the killing of fishermen catching fish to eat and sell. Even without all this, being stuck in a concentraion camp, starved and isolated, seperated from the homes and farms Israel took away from you some of which are visible from your the concentration camp of Gaza is all the justification Palestinians need to do whatever they need to, or want to.

  122. Miss Castello

    14 Jul, 2014 - 9:59 am

    The majority of commenter’s on this blog are (as my Father would say, and I agree with him) the ‘salt of the earth'; Arsalan, Dreoilin, Mary, Ba’al, Phil, a prime example.

    As for those who DARE to defend the obscene war crimes of FAKE STATE ZIO-NAZI ISRA-HELL; (speaking of ‘earth’)- the sooner they and their Zio-Nazi Idols are under it, the better for human kind this world will be.

  123. http://normanfinkelstein.com/2014/translation-of-censored-bbc-interview/

    The cause of this attack on Gaza was the formation of a Unity government.


    Israel was looking for an excuse, any excuse. But even if none were provided this attack on Gaza would have happened.
    Three kids hitchhike and are found dead. Would anyone be surprised if hitchhiking kids were found dead anywhere else?
    Don’t we tell our kids over and over again, “don’t get in to strangers cars”? Isn’t this why?
    Israeli kids are killed by Israelis all the time. Just as British kids are killed by British adults. French kids are killed by Frnech adults and the same applies to each and every country.
    The key difference is, in Israel, when anyone is found dead, sometimes it is used as an excuse by the Zionist government to kill a bunch of Palestians that they would have killed anyway.
    And all the evidence they would need is the accusation. 120 Palestinians were killed in Gaza and a bunch more were killed in the investigation. Some Zionists say the burning to death of one Palestinian boy was bad, but at the same time they say the killing for more than 100 others is perfectly OK, a case of Israel defending it self.

  124. Miss Castello

    Israel pays unemployed people to post of blogs. It has been doing so for a long time. Crag can confirm this by looking at IP addresses. And even if he didn’t the timings of the posts give an indication of their locations. The spelling and grammar also help.
    Larry from St lous was one. The timings of his posts would have been 3 am in America, but were during the day in America.
    Others claimed to be from the UK but used Americanism and American spellings as many Israelis do.
    Mistakes in grammar such as adjective after the noun is another mistake they keep making.
    You can see these things in all the pro war and pro Israeli posts, as well as the Anti Muslim posts.

  125. I mean during the day in Israel

  126. Je
    13 Jul, 2014 – 3:38 pm

    “If Hamas announced a unilateral ceasefire today, excepting the UN calls for one that would completely wrongfoot the Israelis. They need to stop playing into the Israelis hands, demand their civil rights, and resist passively.”


    I think you must be very naïve and ill-informed Je. Hamas has called unilateral cease-fires in the past but Israel ignores them. Even when bi-lateral cease-fires have been made, Israel has broken them: yes Israel breaks cease-fires not Hamas. There is a wealth of reports online (including Israeli news outlets) to inform you.

    Passive resistance is seen as weakness by the Israeli government so they continue to steal more land.

    If the Palestinians react violently, Israel punishes them by stealing more land.

    This has been going on since 1947.

  127. A sizeable number of terrorists have returned from Iraq to Jordon after the fall of Mosul and the assault on Samarra.

    It is clear to me these terrorists will re-arm with advanced American weapons before entering Syria (Khirbet Awwad) while IDF special forces continue to attack Syrian army positions with heavy artillery and missiles.

    Certainly Golan must be viewed as another front for Israeli incursions into Syria while eyes are turned towards Gaza and Ukraine.

  128. “the Palestinians kill as many as are necessary to stop them” – that is an oversight Craig, a miscalculation. The power of intention cannot work that way.

  129. @Arsalan

    In the US, it’s not just AIPAC. You’ve got a triangle:

    AIPAC controls the legislature (Congress)
    CPMAJO controls the executive (the Government)
    the ADL controls the culture.

  130. Who remembers now that in the US in the 1950s there was talk of requiring Zionist organisations active in that country to register formally as agents of a foreign power (under FARA, the Foreign Agents Registration Act).

    Which isn’t to say it was only then that Zionist control started. Look at say the Paris Peace Conference of 1919. But nonetheless in the 1950s some people still talked about FARA registration. Don’t try to get elected to any office on such a platform now!

  131. Doug Scorgie – ” Hamas has called unilateral cease-fires in the past but Israel ignores them. Even when bi-lateral cease-fires have been made, Israel has broken them: yes Israel breaks cease-fires not Hamas.”

    I’m aware of that. It would still wrongfoot the Israelis. Particularly in regard to their attempts to justify the slaughter to the international community.

    “Passive resistance is seen as weakness by the Israeli government”

    The Israelis are scared of one thing – demographics. What they don’t want is a united Palestinian people that has the support of the international community. Rockets just play into their hands. If they were scared of those they wouldn’t be so unworried about provoking them.

  132. Off topic? Yes!

    Baroness Butler-Sloss has resigned as chair of the child abuse inquiry.

  133. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    14 Jul, 2014 - 12:19 pm

    If they were scared of those they wouldn’t be so unworried about provoking them.

    The Israeli doctrine in a nutshell.

    Also worth remembering that thanks to AIPAC and CPMAJO (crucial to the AIPAC funding stream*, thanks, Dave), Israel isn’t actually paying for the tons of high-explosive it’s dropping daily on Gaza.

    (Wouldn’t it be interesting to compare the actual tonnage of HE expended by both sides?)

    *(AIPAC doesn’t actually fund anyone. Its wealthy Zionist corporate backers do, on the basis of AIPAC recommendation. All magnificently deniable.)

  134. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    14 Jul, 2014 - 12:43 pm

  135. Israel’s Gaza campaign in seventh day, amid rocket fire……

    ‘On the seventh day, shalt thou rest…….

    PS I know that means the Sabbath and it is Monday today, but apt.

    Notice that ‘amid rocket fire’. No mention of aerial bombardments, getting the people to scurry off to goodness knows where under threat of losing their lives, wrecked buildings, no water or electricity, hospitals overflowing and shortages of medical supplies and food.

  136. technicolour

    14 Jul, 2014 - 1:01 pm

    Saturday, 12th July, a group called Jews Against Genocide (JAG) held a memorial service for Palestinian children killed by Israel in its current attack on Gaza. JAG set aflame to a pile of dolls covered in red paint at Yad Vashem, Israel’s holocaust memorial museum. Jews Against Genocide (JAG) is a movement of Jews from all over the world, including Israelis, who are protesting against Israel’s intent to commit genocide against the non-Jewish indigenous people of Palestine.


  137. Je
    True they are scared of Demographics.
    And the way they have always delt with the demographic threat is what they are doing in Gaza now.
    What they are doing in Israel itself is another way. Making life so difficult for the Arab citizens of Israel.
    Israel is actually based on doing this.
    When Israel was founded, the land was full of Arabs and the Jews were a tiny little minority. So they kicked out or exterminated 80% of the Palestinians so Israel could be both a democratic and Jewish state.
    And they have been expelling and killing ever since.
    And the supporters of Israel carry on supporting Israel whether the Palestinians defend themselves or not.

  138. Well I would say making life difficult for the Palestinians is the main way Israel deals with the domocratic threat. They make life hard to get the Palestinians to leave Palestine. And Israel makes no secret of this. When you mention the check points, restrictions on education and hospitals they always say, “why don’t they move away?”

    And no one minds this way of keeping control of demographics. While Israel does this and the Palestinians don’t fight back people call it peace.

  139. I doubt that Israel will send ground forces in. Israel is a bully and her soldiers are bullies. Bullies shy away from a fair fight and Israel is no different as we’ve seen in the past. They will flex their military might and threaten invasion but won’t take the step.
    They managed to kill a few families waving white flags on their last incursion but it won’t be so easy IF they suddenly find cohones.

  140. doug scorgie

    14 Jul, 2014 - 4:03 pm

    13 Jul, 2014 – 2:28 pm

    “I’m not a pacifist either but I hope some settlement can be reached which forestalls any ground invasion so no more people have to die.”


    That would be good but Israel doesn’t want a settlement it wants thousands of settlements!

  141. Technicolour,

    I tweeted your story about memorial service by Jews Against Genocide.


    Meanwhile I’ve been shocked by this:

    “2 Israelis Wore Neo Nazi Shirts During Attack on Anti War Protest in Tel Aviv”


    Some of these people are off the wall

  142. doug scorgie

    14 Jul, 2014 - 4:15 pm

    13 Jul, 2014 – 3:26 pm

    “Does Godalming BDS keep such an accurate count of Muslim on Muslim violence, which kills scores more than Israel has in nearly 70 years?”


    Being that BDS is an organisation set up to highlight decades of brutal illegality by the “democratic” state of Israel I doubt it.

    But carry on with your hasbara misdirection, it is getting you nowhere.

    We are immune to it on this blog.

  143. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Jul, 2014 - 4:37 pm


    “Bullies shy away from a fair fight and Israel is no different as we’ve seen in the past.”

    You mean like in 1967?

  144. doug scorgie

    14 Jul, 2014 - 4:47 pm

    13 Jul, 2014 – 3:44 pm

    “Without the rockets Israel’s don’t have the excuse to bombs them to bits.”

    As I’ve said before; if the rockets stop (which they have in the past) Israel will find an excuse to bomb anyway; like “we were targeting terrorists plotting an attack”.

    Israel frequently carries out targeted assassinations in Gaza during agreed ceasefires.

  145. doug scorgie

    14 Jul, 2014 - 5:12 pm

    13 Jul, 2014 – 3:47 pm

    “@Anon – for your information, the BDS movement is not anti-Israel. In fact, it legitimizes the Zionist entity.”

    I see your point Rehmat.

    BDS (although I support them) do seem to hang on to the myth that a two state solution is still possible; it isn’t.

    So BDS should expand their activities to include Israel “proper” and campaign for a one state solution that incorporates all the land of historic Palestine giving equal status to all its citizens.

  146. It’s still American bombs and an American check book Habba. The bully had and has a big brother.Israel only fights when the odds are not against them.And in between times they use their lobby’s and their proxy’s and their nazi tictacs, or they bomb from over 60,000 feet.
    No discipline, no morals and no memory !! They have become what they say they hate.
    They have this little project going , the ” Trumanstein Story ” where they play make-believe that they are a democracy. No way Habba.
    They are a sick society with a massive chip on their hasbara block shoulder.Every illness has a cure. If they dont cure themselves, they’ll disappear.
    67 ?? It was pre-emptive. Probably egged on by US Intelligence, Israel hit their opponent when they were sleeping.Israel started the war with big brother at their back.
    The IDF are a cowardly force unable to defeat Hizbollah and they had no stomach for a ground invasion during Cast Lead. White phosphorous from the skies was just peachy however. Did you see the ignorant little Gazan boys playing with it when it was still burning ? Did you see the injuries it caused people when it hit their skin ? Did you know it was a banned weapon ? C’mon Habba ! How can you support that ?

  147. The media’s attempt at equivalence goes on, and on, and on. In this case, Channel 4 News.

    Snowmail…”the war between Israel and Palestinian militants”…short email to 6 Pilgers
    Posted by Ed on July 14, 2014, 7:10 pm

    Mr Snow,
    In tonight’s Snowmail(1) you say:

    “Jonathan Miller is at a hospital in Gaza, trying to piece together the true human cost of the war between Israel and Palestinian militants.”

    The 4th most powerful military in the world is slaughtering anyone in their way in poverty stricken, defenseless Gaza, including children and the disabled. So far, 176 Palestinians have been killed but not one Israeli.

    Why are you calling it a “war”? On what planet is this a “war”?

    Ed Murray.

    (1)On the ground in Gaza, where the death toll keeps rising
    Foreign Affairs Correspondent Jonathan Miller is at a hospital in Gaza, trying to piece together the true human cost of the war between Israel and Palestinian militants. He has been live-tweeting from the ground in Gaza @millerC4, and his report will be on air from 7pm tonight.

  148. Chomsky, Pilger and Loach call on BBC to reflect reality of Gaza’s occupation
    July 14, 2014

    Noam Chomsky, John Pilger and Ken Loach are among more than 40,000 signatories who have signed an open letter to the BBC calling on its journalists to reflect the reality of Gaza’s occupation while reporting on Israel’s current assault.

    MPs have also signed the letter which will be delivered to the BBC tomorrow (15th July) during a protest outside its Portland Place, London, headquarters.

    The letter reminds the BBC that Israel is bombing a refugee population which is being held under occupation and siege. It is a population which has no army, navy or air force with which to defend itself against the fourth largest military power in the world.

    Sarah Colborne, Director of Palestine Solidarity Campaign, which will be delivering the letter, said: “These are simple facts, none of which have been present in any of the BBC’s coverage so far of Israel’s assault on Gaza.

    “However, they are vital facts and their absence results in BBC coverage which is unbalanced and lacking in context. Their omission allows the BBC to present Israel’s assault as a retaliation to Palestinian rockets rather than as an enforcement of its occupation and siege.

    “Truly unbiased journalism would allow its consumers to consider both options instead of presenting them with just one viewpoint, as the BBC is doing.”

    Protests took place outside BBC studios in Nottingham and Manchester on 10th July, and in Bristol on 11th July, demanding balanced reporting from BBC journalists.

    Tuesday’s protest at Portland Place will call on the BBC to report the truth about Israel’s occupation and siege on Gaza, instead of concealing facts from its audiences. It will take place from 5.30pm to 7.30pm.

    PSC’s letter to the BBC can be viewed here: http://www.palestinecampaign.org/sign-open-letter-bbc/ It will be addressed to the BBC’s Director General, Lord Hall.

    The letter will remain on the website after Tuesday, allowing more people to sign. New signatures will be delivered to the BBC next week.


  149. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    14 Jul, 2014 - 11:11 pm


    That was this morning. Blair to save world tomorrow: back to Cairo with Kerry. Think we can assume the Zionists are thinking of having a pause – he wouldn’t want to be near truce negotiations if they were going to mean more bad publicity. And his little sidie for Morsi would hit the rough if the Israelis had simply told him to piss off.

    Main problem is that it’s maybe 180-nil, well short of the usual Israeli scoreline. Maybe they’ll make it up to 300 some other way.

  150. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    14 Jul, 2014 - 11:12 pm

    for al-Sisi…of course. Not Morsi. What was I thinking?

  151. Sisi takes his orders from America, and America takes theirs from Israel when it comes to the Middle East.

  152. Jessie Yasmin Duarte 61, deputy sectary-general of South African ruling party ANC and former special assistant to Nelson Mandela has compared the Jewish army’s current actions in Gaza with Nazi army’s actions against Jews in Germany during the Second World War.

    On Friday, Chief Rabbi of South Africa, Warren Goldstein, objected to Duarte’s comment and demanded that ANC force her to retract her statement which she has refused to do so far. The Rabbi blamed her for destroying “South African dream”, and asked her to debate with him on her accusations against the Zionist entity.

    As expected, America’s highest paid (over $600,000 per year) Israeli lobbyist, Abraham Foxman, strongly condemned Duarte’s statement – calling it “irresponsible and unacceptable”.

    Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi called upon Pretoria government to cut all diplomatic relations with racist Israel.


  153. I mean based.

  154. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 9:22 am

  155. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 9:32 am

    Nazi Germany is the best comparison to Zionist Israel.

    Disagree. Certainly Gaza has obvious parallels with the Warsaw Ghetto, and arguably the Zionists think of themselves as racially superior to the people they’re repressing but I don’t think that the charge sticks very well in detail. Much closer to the truth, I think, would be the equation with apartheid South Africa, stated here:


  156. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    13 Jul, 2014 – 10:10 pm

    “They {the Israelis}would expel, kill, take houses and towns and demolish them to build what they want to on top of them.”

    “They wouldn’t – we are talking about Gaza here.”


    You are wrong as usual Habbabkuk. Israel wants Gaza as much as it wants Judea and Samaria.

  157. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 11:49 am

    Some of you may find this hard to believe. Others won’t. I’ve blocked them.


  158. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 12:04 pm

    Tweet from Frankie Boyle yesterday…

    Israel say civilians are being killed because they’re living near terrorists and, to be fair, they are living stupidly close to Israel.

  159. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    14 Jul, 2014 – 4:37 pm

    “You mean like in 1967?”


    Not a fair fight though was it Habbabkuk.

  160. A very good point is made here.

    What if Hamas Dumped all their Rockets in the Sea Tomorrow?
    West Bank Palestinians DO NOT fire rockets, yet there is no sign of an end to their misery and oppression.

    by Stuart Littlewood / July 15th, 2014

    Have you noticed how the news from Gaza has fizzled out? It never happened…..

  161. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 12:50 pm

    They didn’t have DIME munitions in 1967, Doug:


    Mads Gilbert is one brave doctor, IMO.

  162. Craig Why did you delete that last post?
    What was wrong with it?

  163. Very depressing breaking news.

    Gaza conflict: Israel restarts air strikes amid rocket fire.
    Israel has resumed its air strikes on Gaza after its brief ceasefire was met with continuing rocket fire.

    Israel had earlier accepted an Egyptian truce proposal for the conflict and stopped operations on Tuesday morning.

    However, the armed wing of Hamas, which controls Gaza, rejected the initiative as a “surrender”.

    Palestinian officials say at least 192 people have been killed by Israeli air strikes launched eight days ago to stop militants firing rockets into Israel.


    The BBC continues with its theme – Israel Good Palestine Bad

  164. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    15 Jul, 2014 - 1:35 pm

    Bombardment resumes.


    Too much to hope that Hamas would accept a deal originating from the anti-Hamas al-Sisi (with Blair’s involvement), with no guarantees of a return to the 2012 agreement, and no intention on Israel’s part of reopening the border. Ah. well.

  165. technicolour

    15 Jul, 2014 - 2:05 pm

    By Conscientious objectors against the occupation
    Right now, anti-war activists are creating a traffic jam in Ayalon South Highway, Tel Aviv, and are hanging banners on Yitzhak Sade bridge in protest of the war on Gaza which claimed the lives of 165 people. The banners call: “Gaza’s blood is on our hands”, “25 children killed” and “Stop the killing in Gaza”. The activists are slowing down their cars while driving on the highway and are creating a traffic hindrance in order to attract the attention of the drivers to the reality in the Gaza strip, where people have been living in the past five days under a concrete threat – without proper shelters or sirens. According to Gaza’s Health Ministry, the death toll in the Gaza Strip has reached 165 people, including 25 children and 17 women

  166. Je
    Their Demographic nightmare has already come true. There are already more Palestinians in the lands Israel controls than Jews.
    What does that mean?
    Israel is no longer a democracy?
    Israel is no longer Jewish?
    Does anyone care?
    Does it make any difference?
    What changed a couple of years ago when 1 baby was born resulting in one more Palestinian in the lands Israel claims than the number of Jews?
    Did anything change at all?
    Or now when there is at least 100 000 more Palestinians than Jews in that area?
    So what makes anyone think that when there is a million more something would change?
    Or even 10 million.
    Instead Israel will carry on doing what it is doing in Gaza to try and change that. And when they are not doing what they are doing in Gaza they will carry on doing what they are doing in pre-67 borders and the West Bank to try and make life so hard that many will leave and live in some other country.

  167. Very depressing to hear that the Israelis have resumed air attacks, attacks from the sea and from the border. Hamas say that they were not provided with any documents or details about a truce and in the absence of undertakings that the shelling and bombing would stop, they are carrying on.

    BLiar is on Sky News from Jerusalem at 4.15pm today if anyone is at all interested.

  168. Keith Crosby

    17 Jul, 2014 - 4:25 pm

    “when Israeli ground troops actually move into Gaza, it is my sincere hope that the Palestinians kill as many as are necessary to stop them. That is justified, legal and necessary.”

    So say we all.

  169. Keith Crosby

    17 Jul, 2014 - 4:29 pm

    “I don’t think that is practical, or desirable. Peace is going to have to be based on people being broadly where people are, but ending the racial and religious segregated states. Just as the solution in South Africa was not to send the white people to Europe.”

    No this is more of the same, outsiders dictating to the rightful owners of Palestine, which is the cause of the trouble. The UN donating Palestine to the zionist terrorists was no different to the British and French states donating Sudentenland to the Germans or the Hoare-Laval Pact (cancelled). It’s a matter for the Palestinians to decide, although if any of the colonial usurpers come from Hull, I might put in a word for them on grounds of common humanity.;O)

  170. You really think the Palestinians can stop an Israeli invasion? I fear that all that would result would be a massacre of Gazans. Firing rockets into Israel may make some people feel better, but is likely to do more harm than good, and I mean to Palestinians. Political action may be the only sure way to long-term progress.

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