Delighted that the popular upsurge in Scotland has been reflected in the polls and the mainstream media have started to notice it is happening. There is no doubt that unless the No campaign can find a game-changer (and a curiously untraceable person throwing an egg at Jim Murphy isn’t it), then the people of Scotland are going to seize their chance to escape from neo-con domination and create their own society.
But I also have no doubt the establishment are not going to accept this lightly. They are not simply going to let Scotland’s people walk away with Scotland’s resources. They have yet to make serious use of their most frequent instrument of population control – the “War on Terror”.
The scene has already been set. Cameron has already told parliament that ISIS, or the Caliphate as it calls itself (I always think it is better to call people what they call themselves, rather than some made-up name) poses a major and imminent threat to the UK. Jack Straw is back on Radio 4 saying that Britain must bomb Iraq, as though the very cause of the Caliphate was not the last time he invaded Iraq. Saudi Arabia, which funded and still funds the Caliphate, is giving warnings to the security services of planned attacks in the UK.
The truth is that everybody who has ever carried out an actual Islamic terror attack in the UK (of which there have been very few indeed) has stated that they did so because of British bombings and invasions of Muslim countries – a fact which is very plainly true. The notion that the way to stop this is to bomb or invade Muslim countries is quite incredible.
I fear that we will shortly see arrests of young Muslims in Glasgow and Edinburgh. We will be told they were planning to detonate a dirty nuclear bomb in George Square, or convert the Scott Monument into a giant ballistic missile using fertiliser and Irn Bru. We will be told that only the UK security services have saved Scotland from destruction. The media hype will be on a par with the liquid bomb plot. Like the liquid bomb plot, when it turns out to have been non-existent the media will not tell you that. Anyway the referendum will be over by the time the story is debunked.
In truth, of course, an independent Scotland which does not invade other countries will be a safer place than the continually aggressive and murderous United Kingdom.
The latest false flag beheading, by John the Jihadist also aka John from the Beatles,(Christ they may as well have called him Willy Wonka), it sounds more convincing, will give the green light for Cameron and Co to pound what’s left of Syria to a pulp.
Of course the real reason to pound Syria is to break the Assad Putin tie, its got nothing to do with democracy and freedom, god forbid.
The game-changer you mention Craig, for Westminster, is in my opinion the Scots held hostage,the emphasis will be put on the terrorist link, to try and frighten the living daylights out of Scots, in order to compel them to vote no. Effectively Westminster will be saying look don’t leave its not safe out there for you wee unarmed Scot’s stay in the union.
In my opinion the first beheading of Foley by John the Jihadist, was a complete and utter hoax, unfortunately it will give the axis of evil the impetus for casus belli on anyone they see fit.
I can only hope Scot’s don’t fall for the false flag beheadings’s.
“Frankly apart from a small number of people, I don’t think religion plays a major role in the life of Scotland. I personally have no idea what religion any of my friends follow. ”
Try telling that to Gail Sheridan.
“Libya is in civil war, fundamentalist armies are building a self-declared caliphate across Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan’s young democracy is on the verge of paralysis. To these troubles are added a resurgence of tensions with Russia and a relationship with China divided between pledges of cooperation and public recrimination. The concept of order that has underpinned the modern era is in crisis.
The international order thus faces a paradox: Its prosperity is dependent on the success of globalization, but the process produces a political reaction that often works counter to its aspirations.”
From Henry Kissinger’s new book, A New World Order.
The evil old Zionist Kissinger, already knows what the axis of evil indeed to do.
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I think that, NATO is itself, a war criminal.
Harold Pinter.
Habbabkuk
It is notable that the non-Western world can do no wrong as far as many here are concerned. Either a terrorist attack is ‘faked’ or some combination of the US, UK and Israel forced them to do it. I don’t know how someone can get themselves into this sort of state of mind. Too much internet? A loathing of the West so deep-rooted that it allows no room for any other evil in the world?
It’s quite useful from a debating point of view, of course, because no matter what amount of evidence you stack up everything can simply be dismissed as a ‘false-flag’, ‘faked’, etc. You can’t argue against it because it is totally irrational. I don’t think I have ever read about any atrocity comitted by Muslims that hasn’t been denied or excused on here. It either didn’t happen, or if incontestible evidence shows that it did happen then it was ‘staged’ in order to implicate innocent Muslims.
So 9/11, 7/7, and every terrorist attack since, failed or successful, is a fake. Everything that is happening in the Mid East is at the very least caused but usually orchestrated by the West. All of it staged. How can you argue against that level of insanity?
” Everything that is happening in the Mid East is at the very least caused but usually orchestrated by the West. All of it staged. How can you argue against that level of insanity?”
Hmm. Have you ever had the acquaintance who is a pathological liar? I have, and when I’m told the Sun will rise in the East, I get up in the morning to check.
‘Fool me once…..’
..an acquaintance….
Anders Fogh Rasmussen
The retiring Secretary General of NATO
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This was the former Prime Minister of Denmark, an undistinguished professional politician whose whole world has been nothing but words on paper. Currently Rasmussen represents NATO, as a puppet, in the world of politics which has become the step-child most noted for global criminal-activity around the planet. Rasmussen has been at the helm since August of 2009, which means he was there when Syria was first attacked and when Libya was publicly exterminated: Now he wants NATO to do the same thing to Russia.
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Rasmussen along with Obama & Israel ought to be on trial in the Hague for Warcrimes, Genocide and Crimes against Humanity but instead he’s racing around trying desperately to create another illegal first strike military capability, on the cheap, to start WWIII.
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It should be pointed out that Rasmussen is not a general, not an expert on weaponry or global military strategy—he was not elected. He’s a puppet who represents NATO that serves the global-bankers as global corporate pirates. As such Rasmussen is just a mouthpiece for a criminal-mob with an agenda that is not equal to the scale of what he’s proposing, as NATO’s solution to a problem, that NATO has no business participating in at all.
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RepublicOfScotland 3:14pm
To be clear, you believe that the Scottish hostage is being held by ISIS at the behest of the UK intelligence agencies so that he can be beheaded in time for the referendum in the hope that the Scottish will be frightened into voting No?
Anybody noticed how quiet Jack Straw was in the Rotherham furore, not a peeps to be heard from the then justice minister, in charge under nolabour.
The first home office researcher was offered support from her superiors but nothing happened. Jack’s South Uorkshire police has a lot to answer for and to just assume that the same practises are not happening in other councils, because we have not heard anything, would now be the most naive reaction possible.
Off course it is and Blackburn is no different, nor is Norfolk or Essex. South Yorkshire Police’s spat with the BBC, the latter now threatens to disclose the content of phone calls made to them on the day of the raid, is a strong indication that somebody does not want such cases come to court.
I think the pre case publicity to the raid on Harry Webbs villa was designed to keep it out of court, I can’t imagine S.Y.P not taking legal advice beforehand.
“because if they don’t care… why don’t they care ?”
Perhaps because UK politicians are controlled by the banks, so if the banks don’t care Westminster won’t either.
When the banksters look at Scotland they see oil, gas, renewables and water. They might welcome an “independent” Scotland under the hapless Salmond with his clueless, back of an envelope currency plans. Rich pickings to be had.
“With or without Scotland we are still the UK”
Not exactly. If Scotland retained the monarchy then the kingdom would no longer be united.
“Parliament is not a congress of ambassadors from different and hostile interests; which interests each must maintain, as an agent and advocate, against other agents and advocates; but parliament is a deliberative assembly of one nation, with one interest, that of the whole; where, not local purposes, not local prejudices ought to guide, but the general good, resulting from the general reason of the whole. You choose a member indeed; but when you have chosen him, he is not a member of Bristol, but he is a member of parliament.” [Burke]
“…then the people of Scotland are going to seize their chance to escape from neo-con domination and create their own society.” [Craig Thomas Paine Murray… or Craigspeirre to his friends]
To be clear, you believe that the Scottish hostage is being held by ISIS at the behest of the UK intelligence agencies so that he can be beheaded in time for the referendum in the hope that the Scottish will be frightened into voting No?
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You’ve got to look at this from all angles, Scottish independence would do serious damage to the UK’s war chest, I’d put nothing past Westminster and Whitehall.
Two days till the circus hits Wales, and the lunatics take over the asylum.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/nato-summit-2014-main-security-7708659
The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
Thomas Paine
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Nationalism is a terrible thing.
Nevermind, I want to congratulate you on being perhaps the first person here to mention Rotherham. How quiet you have all been. Not a peep!
Is it not the case that the authorities did everything possible to cover up the abuse of 1,400 girls by Pakistani rape gangs for fear of being labelled ‘racist’, that fathers of the victims were actually arrested for the crime of trying to find their own daughters, that one caseworker was ignored and sent on a diversity training course for using the words “Pakistani men” in her report, among many mkre shocking revelations?
How does this square with the prevailing view on here that British Muslims are the perpetual victims of demonisation by the British state?
Corrupt Agenda: UN Orders Troops to Surrender to Obama-Backed Syrian Rebels
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A United Nations’ peacekeeping commander ordered Filipino troops to surrender on Monday at the hands of Obama-backed Syrian rebels. Thankfully they disobeyed that order and fought bravely for their freedom.
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The Philippine military said Monday that a U.N. peacekeeping commander in the Golan Heights should be investigated for allegedly asking Filipino troops to surrender to Syrian rebels who had attacked and surrounded their camp.
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Gen. Gregorio Pio Catapang said he advised the 40 Filipino peacekeepers not to lay down their arms, and they defied the U.N. peacekeeping commander’s order. Instead, they staged a daring escape from the Golan camp over the weekend, ending a tense, dayslong standoff.
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The disagreement is another blow to a U.N. peacekeeping mission that has been threatened by an escalation of violence in a buffer zone it has been guarding between Israel and Syria. A number of countries have withdrawn their troops from the peacekeeping force due to rising rebel attacks.
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Forty-five Fijian peacekeepers who surrendered their firearms to the rebels last week are still being held by the al-Qaida-linked insurgents.
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The UN is complicit in to the atrocities carried out by the axis of evil,UK, Washington, The illegal state of Israel, Saudi Arabia and NATO.
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http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/09/02/corrupt-agenda-un-orders-troops-surrender-obama-backed-syrian-rebels/
RoS
“You’ve got to look at this from all angles, Scottish independence would do serious damage to the UK’s war chest, I’d put nothing past Westminster and Whitehall.”
RoS, you’ve been clear that you think all these beheadings are staged and you predict that the Scots man will be beheaded before the referendum in order to scare Scots into voting No (meaning that in your view the jihadists are controlled by the UK government).
So why did you not just answer a simple “yes” to my question of 3:44pm?
Al Milliner
There are a very great many things happening in the world – and even in the news – which I haven’t commented on. I do not intend to select topics to fit your own interest in a racist agenda. If crimes were not investigated because of a desire not to harm community relations that is very wrong. If you wish to highlight the subject out of a desire to demonise Muslims that is still worse.
You could well be right, Nevermind –
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11071271/Police-gave-BBC-an-aerial-photo-of-Sir-Cliff-Richards-home-so-its-helicopter-could-find-it.html
A divergent narrative there.
@Ben: More rubbish from Obama about Russian aggression just before the summit in South Wales, following up on Ukraine’s application to join NATO. It looks like he is indeed shaping up to welcome Ukraine into NATO at this summit. No doubt, he’ll be fully backed up by Cameron, Merkel, and that monster from Denmark who knew Iraq had WMD.
They really do seem to be pushing for war.
Peacewisher; It seems membership only need one crucial vote.
Article 10
The Parties may, by unanimous agreement, invite any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to this Treaty. Any State so invited may become a Party to the Treaty by depositing its instrument of accession with the Government of the United States of America. The Government of the United States of America will inform each of the Parties of the deposit of each such instrument of accession.
Looks Russia will be taking on the whole of NATO then, from next week, Ben.
“Russia Invaded” is the new “Iraq has WMD”.
Excellent article from seven former US intelligence officers led by Ray McGovern recalling the build-up to war with Iraq:
http://rt.com/usa/184512-vips-memo-merkel-nato/
Milliner, you gullible chump, don’t argue against the insanity, argue against the peer-reviewed, forensically probative facts. Start with these. http://www.consensus911.org/
“In truth, of course, an independent Scotland which does not invade other countries will be a safer place than the continually aggressive and murderous United Kingdom.”
Implying that if the Scots are the good guys, then it’s the other lot that are to blame… the bloody Welsh, they’re all a bunch of cyclepaths. I blame them for the Massacre of Amritsar… Brig. Gen. Reginald E.H. Dyer sounds Welsh to me.
There you go. One post on the matter and it’s a “racist agenda” and “desire to demonise Muslims”!
I was, of course, making the point that the authorities seem to have been pretty desperate to cover up the abuse at all costs and wondered how this fits with the prevailing idea down here in the comments that British Muslims are demonised by the state. I was not demanding that you post on the subject.
Anyway, I’m glad you’ve replied as you never got back to me on how you arrived at the figure of 15,000 killed by NATO in Sirte. I’ve left a comment at the bottom of page 2 of the previous thread that might be of interest to you. It’s pretty important that if you are using this as an argument in support of Scottish independence and accuse the BBC of covering it up then you should be able to back it up with evidence.
Fred: Unionism is Nationalism. Did you miss the Union Jacks they are flying ?
Weren’t the Olympics where they married Sport, UK’s armed forces, and a few million Union Jacks fascist in their style ?Warships on the Thames, and missile batteries on blocks of flats ? That isn’t touching the hard right ?
Don’t you find the very Nationalistic side of the Better Together campaign worrying ?
Were the military parades on the same day as Bannockburn celebrations not scary for you ? Tornadoes thundering overhead.
I think its okay for you to be anti fascist, but you seem to label the bus pass givers but not the corrupt Westminsters.The Yes campaign want to give up weapons, not the Unionists.
It was Westminster that fought a colonial war in 1982.Not content with the Union Jack in the UK , we have to hammer it down the throats of Argentinians.
I think you’re blinded by the buttocks of your sheep.
The way things are going, Jimmy, it looks as if Wales will be the unwitting launch pad for a major escalation of global hostilities… who would have thought it, the day started so well!
” Dyer sounds Welsh to me.”
Ouch. Do they still wear war-paint? Ho ye!
And who would have thought, that Edmund Burke anticipated Mr. Murray:
“Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition to put moral chains upon their own appetites, — in proportion as their love to justice is above their rapacity, — in proportion as their soundness and sobriety of understanding is above their vanity and presumption, — in proportion as they are more disposed to listen to the counsels of the wise and good, in preference to the flattery of knaves. Society cannot exist, unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things, that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”
Infamy, infamy… they’ve all got it infamy. A free Scotland will abolish all bad things at he point of a claymore.
Georgia to seek invitation to join NATO – president
“Georgia will seek an invitation to join NATO at a summit of alliance leaders in Wales this week, President Georgy Margvelashvili announced on Wednesday. “We will shoot for an invitation for NATO membership. But we understand that… decisions are made in a much more complicated way,” Margvelashvili said in a speech at the Chatham House think-tank. NATO signaled earlier this year it would stop short of approving a formal step to membership for Georgia at the summit. The alliance was ready in principle to a “substantive package” of cooperation with Georgia that would help it move closer to the alliance, Reuters said.”
Why the hesitation? I thought they just wanted Bear-baiting.