365 thoughts on “Sam Adams Award”

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  ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node January 23, 2015 at 15:13

  Clark

  In furtherance of our conversation last night about immortality, e, and quantum information on the ‘Good Day’ thread, I spent a long time writing you a considered reply which I didn’t post until (probably) you were long gone to bed. I awoke today to find that for the second time recently, Craig has inconsiderately deleted an entire thread, displaying a contemptuous indifference to the efforts of his contributors.

  Ah Well. Just so’s you know the thought was there.

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  Mary January 23, 2015 at 15:56

  ‘Perfect Day’ Node. It is cached with 1 comment? I thought the exchanges in the comments were interesting.

  https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/01/sam-adams-award/#comment-504607

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  Just a lurker January 23, 2015 at 16:53

  Normally I just lurk, but I’m curious about any insights Craig might have regarding the house of Saud’s recent bereavement. There’s some buzz about the Royal Family being sad with flags at half mast and all…

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  Republicofscotland January 23, 2015 at 17:09

  HILLARY CLINTON AMASSING CAMPAIGN WAR CHEST ‘LIKE NOTHING YOU’VE SEEN’
  Top Democratic donors say Hillary Clinton is building a money machine so large and so impressive that it will smash previous fundraising records, intimidate rivals, and crush the eventual Republican presidential nominee.“It’s going to be like nothing you’ve seen,” a top Democratic donor told The Hill. “The numbers will be astounding.”

  Obama finance committee member and real estate executive Don Peebles says the smart and connected Democratic money will flow to Hillary.

  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=528_1422029251

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  ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node January 23, 2015 at 17:30

  Thanks, Mary. Where is cached?

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  Mary January 23, 2015 at 17:41

  Just a lurker – Half mast flags today is a HMG directive via the DCMS. I put a link above at 2.09pm.

  Cheers.

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  Mary January 23, 2015 at 17:47

  Node – Click on the (rather small) solid downwards pointing arrow on any search result on Google. Hope I described that correctly. Clark will know.

  Cheers and roll on the Spring. I hate these dull cold and dreary late Winter days. I have snowdrops and aconites in flower and I have seen daffodils around.

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  Squonk January 23, 2015 at 17:54

  Half mast flags today is a HMG directive via the DCMS.

  So the government orders UK flags at half mast yet in Saudi Arabia.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30950731

  The funeral of a Saudi monarch is a low-key affair, rooted in the kingdom’s ultra-conservative religious practice.

  One of the world’s wealthiest monarchs – who in life resided in lavish palaces – is buried in an unmarked grave in a public cemetery.

  Protocol permits no official mourning period, government offices stay open and flags remain at full mast.

  The reason is that the House of Saud practises one of the strictest codes of Islam – known as Wahhabism – in which followers try to emulate precisely the behaviour of the Prophet Muhammad and avoid anything seen as un-Islamic “innovations”.

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  Habbabkuk (la vita è bella) January 23, 2015 at 18:20

  KOWN

  “Really? Well, before we can discuss it we need to know what on earth it means, and I can’t make head nor tail of the Trowbridge Ford piece you quote. Can you tell us what it means please. I bet you can’t.”
  ________________

  I will admit to a certain understanding and sympathy for your bemusement, KOWN.

  But, to be modest for once, I would never presume to attempt to interpret his pronouncements.

  You’re on your own this time, I’m afraid! 🙂

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  ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node January 23, 2015 at 18:40

  Thanks Mary, I didn’t know about that method of finding cached pages. Very handy. I lost an ephemeral comment but I gained a long-term useful technique. Result!

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  the Electric Bureaucrat January 23, 2015 at 19:06

  Can’t locate the live stream on the website??

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  Mary January 23, 2015 at 19:55

  The Electric Bureaucrat

  There’s a You Tube link to the whole proceedings which was posted on this thread earlier. Long.

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  John Goss January 23, 2015 at 20:11

  All the people who speak out against the evil that men do need to be rewarded. I wonder if they could give the Sam Adams Award posthumously to Albert Einstein who on 10 April 1946 wrote to Zionist Shepard Rifkin, Executive Director of American Friends of the Fighters for the Freedom of Israel, the following.

  “Dear Sir,
  When a real and final catastrophe should befall us in Palestine the first responsible for it would be the British and the second responsible for it the Terrorist organisations built up from our own ranks.
  I am not willing to see anybody associated with those misled and criminal people.
  Sincerely yours,”

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  Trowbridge H. Ford January 23, 2015 at 20:23

  I am saying that Annie bMacon is a nasty piece of work for the following reasons:

  (1) Repeating falsely that Gaddafi was responsible for the Lockerbie disaster while talking endlessly about MI6 using Anas Al-Liby aka TUNWORTH to assassinate him – what fortunately failed because if successful, it would have made Libya into an Al Qaeda state.

  (2) Trying to expose Al-Liby as TUNWORTH after the devastating car bombings of the US embassies in East Africa in August 1998 -what would have stopped his double agent work in America if successful, only to go belatedly along with the Libyan and MI6 false claim that TUNWORTH was Abdullah Rawdan who was killed in the failed attempt to kill Gaddafi.

  (3) With TUNWORTH allegedly dead, Al-Liby was free to operate in the States, and when his Libyan Islamic Fighting Group learned that Suzanne Jovin was planning to wri the in her senior thesis at Yale that Al lQaeda was planning to hit the WTC and other important buildings in the States with hijacked commercial airliners, she was brutally assassinated.

  (4) the plot was so complicated and devastating that US authorities and Yale University never made a serious attempt to solve her murder – the best chance there was of stopping 9/11.

  In sum, getting away with the Jovin murder was Osama bin Laden’s greatest coup.

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  Habbabkuk (la vita è bella) January 23, 2015 at 21:13

  Mary

  “I have snowdrops and aconites in flower and I have seen daffodils around.”
  __________________

  With the world in the terrible state it is and as evil stalks the land (and other lands as well!), do not the above words point to unseemly levity on your part and an altogether inappropriate optimism wrt the future of mankind?

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  Habbabkuk (la vita è bella) January 23, 2015 at 21:25

  I feel I have been unduly harsh with Trowbridge Ford in going along with those who claim to find his posts incomprehensible.

  They are in fact quite comprehensible, give or take the occasional obscure reference; and even those would probably appear less obscure had one followed his older posts.

  Now, I happen not to believe the great majority of Trowbridge’s claims and theories, but one must admit that he appears to be expressing sincerely and genuinely held beliefs, set out by his own efforts and without recourse to dubious websites and links and couched in civilised and polite language.

  Would that the characteristics described above were also the characteristics of the likes of Republicofscotland, Macky, Guano, Fedup, Jives,Robert Crawford, Mary, MJ, Tony M, Node, KOWN and so on….!

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  Ba'al Zevul January 23, 2015 at 21:44

  RIP Abdullah. We owe him so much (less, perhaps, the rakeoffs his abundant relatives trousered jellaba’d):

  http://www.theguardian.com/world/defence-and-security-blog/2014/jun/23/egypt-saudi-arabia-arms-sales-human-rights

  All that (and much more) said, he was ten times the man Cameron et al are.

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  fred January 23, 2015 at 21:57

  “With the world in the terrible state it is and as evil stalks the land (and other lands as well!), do not the above words point to unseemly levity on your part and an altogether inappropriate optimism wrt the future of mankind?”

  Nothing funny about wolfbane.

  “In 1953 aconitine was used by a Soviet biochemist and poison developer Grigory Mairanovsky in experiments with prisoners in the secret NKVD laboratory in Moscow. He admitted killing around 10 people using the poison.”

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aconitine#Famous_poisonings

  More Soviet crimes against humanity.

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  Resident Dissident January 23, 2015 at 22:29

  Clark

  http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/berlin/berlin-moscow-russisches-geld-fuer-russische-kueche,10809148,11499666.html

  A Russian Mr Duhse is the Chief Executive and a Russian Financier invested 3m Euro in the restaurant – from my rusty translation, I am sure others can improve. I’m afraid the restaurant website also has the distinct stink of New Russian.

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  lysias January 23, 2015 at 22:30

  Policies about to change in Saudi Arabia? A Saudi Palace Coup:

  More significantly, Salman, himself a Sudairi, attempted to secure the second generation by giving his 35- year old son Mohammed the powerful fiefdom of the defense ministry. The second post Mohammed got was arguably more important. He is now general secretary of the Royal Court. All these changes were announced before Abdullah was even buried.

  The general secretaryship was the position held by the Cardinal Richelieu of Abdullah’s royal court, Khalid al-Tuwaijri. It was a lucrative business handed down from father to son and started by Abdul Aziz al Tuwaijri. The Tuwaijris became the king’s gatekeepers and no royal audience could be held without their permission, involvement, or knowledge. Tuwaijri was the key player in foreign intrigues — to subvert the Egyptian revolution, to send in the troops to crush the uprising in Bahrain, to finance ISIL in Syria in the early stages of the civil war along his previous ally Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

  The link between Tuwaijri and the Gulf region’s fellow neo-con Mohammed bin Zayed, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, was close. Tuwaijri is now out, and his long list of foreign clients, starting with the Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi may well feel a cooler wind blowing from Riyadh. Sisi failed to attend the funeral on Friday. Just a question of bad weather?

  FT: UK flag tribute to Saudi king criticised.

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  Ba'al Zevul January 23, 2015 at 22:36

  Salman has just announced that the status quo ante will be maintained. Damn right. As long as he remains convincingly Salafist/Wahhabi -friendly, he won’t see his lucrative new fiefdom overturned from within and added to the new caliphate.

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  lysias January 23, 2015 at 22:37

  If Leon Brittan is now safely dead, are we going to learn more about the pedophile rings?

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  Resident Dissident January 23, 2015 at 22:40

  John Goss

  You are being very selective in your quotation of Einstein’s views about Zionism – yes he rightly criticised the terrorism of Begin and his cohorts – but his others views about the State of Israel and Zionism would be an anathema to you and most other posters here. But you are right that the true heroes are those who are able to be honest when it comes to the faults of those they have supported in the past.

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  Mary January 23, 2015 at 22:42

  Fred My aconites are these, the Winter Aconites, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eranthis
  non poisonous AFAIK.

  I do know of the monkshood genus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aconitum

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  lysias January 23, 2015 at 22:43

  Those who are interested in Einstein’s views on Zionism should read Fred Jerome’s Einstein on Israel and Zionism: His Provocative Ideas About the Middle East. To sum it up, he supported the creation of a Jewish cultural home in Palestine, but opposed the establishment of a Jewish state.

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  John Goss January 23, 2015 at 22:53

  As long as Karl Rove and the Kochs have not got their hands on the election-rigging machinery in Greece Syriza is looking likely to be able to form a government. There are big debts but they were caused by bankers and bankers and Conservatives, and bankers and Conservatives should pay them off. Alexis Tsipiras is a name for the future. The rogues who brought down Greece will try the same tricks to discredit him. But calling somebody a Marxist when that person is striving to create an egalitarian society is something that will no longer wash. Yes he is a Marxist.

  “According to reporting by the Irish Times, Tsipras “received one of his biggest cheers of the night when he said that he will press for the repayment of a forced war loan from Greece to Germany during the second World War.”

  Hopefully it will stop the rot of the world’s wealthiest dictating the politics of the world. If we can get all the rich-list together on an island somewhere, or even Switzerland if we can stop them commuting outside, they can spend their ill-gotten gains, and lend and borrow from their Swiss bank accounts all the Mickey Mouse money they have created and stolen among themselves, and the world will be a much better place.

  For those of us who remember not having to pay university fees, dentist fees, prescription fees and a whole host of other fees we know how much better it will be. For those who remember utilities’ bills that did not go up massively year on year (excluding election years) and trains that were affordable, this is what we can look forward to again. Enjoy.

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  Habbabkuk (la vita è bella) January 23, 2015 at 23:25

  Mr Goss

  “There are big debts but they were caused by bankers and bankers and Conservatives, and bankers and Conservatives should pay them off.”
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  May I remind you that Greece’s public finances started going to pot with the election of the PASOK govt in 1981 (huge increases in public expenditure and no effort to balance the books by, for example, ensuring that taxes due were actually collected). The PASOK govt – in case you’ve conveniently forgotten – was a Socialist govt.

  Actually, much of the pre-election rhetoric from SYRIZA reminds me uncannily of PASOK rhetoric in the lead up to 1981 – and the outcomes woll be similar as well…..

  You don’t know too much about modern Greek politics, do you.

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  Habbabkuk (la vita è bella) January 23, 2015 at 23:28

  “Lysias”

  “If Leon Brittan is now safely dead, are we going to learn more about the pedophile rings?”
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  And if you are alive, Lysias, and safely posting away, are we going to learn more about at which Oxford college you claim to have read Greats (Literae Humaniores)?

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  lysias January 23, 2015 at 23:45

  Well, something new about Brittan has indeed come out. Daily Beast reveals that Brittan was the MP whose name was on the list of pedophiles found at the Elm Guest House.

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  Clark January 23, 2015 at 23:51

  Glenn, 1:30 pm:

  “Why has Blair become BBC News’ go-to guy for explanations of all things Middle East?”

  Possibly because Blair installed his picked team after smashing the BBC for reporting David Kelly’s revelations?

  Mary, I’m glad you were finding that thread interesting; I was quite enjoying it too. Regarding your 5:47 pm comment; actually, I don’t know, because that function is implemented by Javascript and I browse with Javascript disabled using the Firefox add-on NoScript, for speed, privacy and security. Instead I use a search term like this:

  cache:https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2015/01/sam-adams-award/

  Node, thanks for the (deleeted) reply.

  Resident Dissident, 10:29 pm; thanks.

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