Assange on Scotland 91


Julian Assange has asserted that MI5 are active against Scottish nationalists, as the independence movement is seen as a threat to the UK. Happily, Julian being Julian there is now some traction for this in the corporate media. When I posted on it last week I received nothing from the corporate media except dismissal and abuse over twitter.

I think it is worth repeating some of that twitter abuse for the benefit of anybody who has not fully appreciated the vitriol felt across the entire unionist media establishment towards anybody who queries the narrative they are paid to peddle.

If this doesn’t shake any residual belief in media impartiality, nothing will:

“Craig Murray is mad shocker.” James Bloodworth, The Independent
“Zooooooooooooooomer” Euan Mccolm, The Scotsman
“Craig Murray is obviously an MI5 plant. WAKE UP PEOPLE.” Kevin Schofield, The Sun
“Makes the X files look like Panorama” Rob Corp, BBC
“Cybernat bullying is an MI5 false flag operations, says former British Ambassador. Many Nats believe this stuff.” Iain Martin, the Daily Telegraph
“If you must tweet links to Craig Murray’s MI5 guff, take the SNP twibbon off your profile. That party rejected him as a candidate and rightly so.” Stephen Daisley, STV
“The comments under Craig Murray’s latest rant are really something.” Ross McCafferty, Daily Record

Is it not strange that such a broad spectrum of the mainstream media react with instant vitriol to the very notion that the security services are active against the Scottish independence movement, when we know for certain that environmental campaign groups have been heavily penetrated by agents and agents provocateurs? When such tactics have been used against the Irish Republican movement for decades? When our intelligence services were up to their ears in torture and extraordinary rendition and repeatedly lied about it? When Edward Snowden has revealed the massive scale of surveillance by GCHQ?

In the days when the corporate media had a monopoly on the dissemination of information, simply shouting “conspiracy theorist”, “tinfoil hat” and “lizards” at somebody, excluding them from corporate media access, would be enough essentially to prevent anybody from reaching the public with information. But that no longer works in the age of new media, and especially it doesn’t work in Scotland after the referendum experience.

The fact that my comments on MI5 dirty tricks were so instantly and so unanimously rubbished by the corporate media are more likely to make people realise there must be something to hide. None of the so-called “journalists” I have quoted above has ever tackled the fact that I blew the whistle on torture and extraordinary rendition, and that the government and security services lied about it then, with the support of establishment journalists. In fact I challenge all the named journalists above to say what they think about the sanctioning of intelligence from torture by Blair and Straw, and whether I was truthful in my whistleblowing. Perhaps some of you might be able to contact them to point out the challenge.

For the avoidance of doubt, let me spell this out. I have certain knowledge from an inside source that disruption of separatist activity in Scotland now features in MI5 tasking. The “tasking” of the security services – and that is what it is officially called – is a very formal written exercise conducted by the Joint Intelligence Committee on an annual basis, though it is possible (but very difficult) to insert new tasks in-year.

I have personally taken part – often – in Cabinet Office meetings of JIC sub-committees determining tasking, though in my case more for MI6 than MI5. It is a system I know very well. None of the “journalists” abusing me above has ever sat on a JIC committee. None of them actually know anything about it. None has contacted me to ask me why I have stated there is an MI5 anti-SNP operation. It is so much easier to collect your pay packet, quaff another Merlot and drunkenly catcall “zoooomer!”


91 thoughts on “Assange on Scotland

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  • fred

    ‘“Far fetched” by what criteria? Is your belief based on facts or information, or is it your unsupported opinion?’

    That the constituency offices of both the Conservative and Labour parties in Aberdeen were vandalised is I believe a fact.

    That it was the security services which vandalised them is just unsupported opinion. There is no evidence to support it whatsoever.

  • John Goss

    “Is it not strange that such a broad spectrum of the mainstream media react with instant vitriol to the very notion that the security services are active against the Scottish independence movement, when we know for certain that environmental campaign groups have been heavily penetrated by agents and agents provocateurs?”

    At the moment it is a more subtle approach to quelling opposition to neocon dogma than Adolph Hitler used. Not so in Ukraine. Resident Dissident’s stormtroopers have been kicking in good people’s doors. Freedom of speech is a thing of the past. Beware! If they are allowed to get away with it in Ukraine, where fist-fights in parliament have been a common occurrence for years, they will very soon introduce it here.

    http://en.hunternews.ru/?p=930

  • Macky

    John Goss; ” Not so in Ukraine. Resident Dissident’s stormtroopers have been kicking in good people’s doors.”

    More than just kicking in doors John;

    “At least eight Yanukovych allies have died suddenly in the last three months.

    Most of the deaths are said to have been suicides. However, officials say it was possible some were killed or forced to take their lives.”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32329512

  • John Goss

    Thanks Macky. And that’s the BBC. I noticed at the end that it could not help itself by saying that the Ukraine government was “plunged into conflict” rather than “declared war on its own people”.

  • Alan Taylor

    I assume that the fool Assange will be publishing the proof of any such interference in the Scottish referendum by the intelligence services…

    Or is this just more paranoid rambling from an increasingly irrelevant Assange and Wikileaks??

    Regards
    AT

  • Googler

    I think it’s gotten to the point, Alan, when we would all sooner believe the paranoid rambling of someone who thinks about things rather than the dung that we are daily fed by The Guardian and the BBC, or any goon with some authority. That’s just how it is now. Ragards, G

  • nevermind

    Thanks for reaffirming what the MSM finally has managed to pick up, reluctantly.

    ““Does that mean that what he says is never to be taken seriously?”

    It means it can never be relied on.”

    As for Fred’s assumption that ‘Craig’s post cannot be relied on’ 100%, we can’t really rely on anything he says either, cause his Unionist lovelies are going to get trounced in two weeks time and he’s not too happy about it, hoping for more MI action to turn the tables, are you not, Fred?

    I for one would rather believe an ex diplomat with copious connections, than a runaway Brit, who’s been told to ‘fuck off and die’, hiding out in the hills above Aberdeen.

  • Dave Hansell

    Habbabkuck

    Have you any concrete evidence about these three alleged posts which you claim you submitted? Or are you just indulging in a bit of conspiracy theorising?

    It’s a good game this isn’t it?

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Now The Scotsman is so confused by calls for independence, and claims of pedophilia that it has agreed to Assange’s complaints that Yes voters in the referendum were right to suspect that the security services were spying on them!

    Obviously, the Scottish establishment, especially in Aberdeen, is under a lot of pressure, and doesn’t see how to keep problems straight.

  • Phil

    Of course the security services are targeting the independence campaign. It would be a dereliction of their duty to not. It’s what they are for – to defend the state.

    Who knows, but paint lobbing offices is more likely party hacks. I imagine MI5 will be exerting a range of pressures to influence the SNP leadership and structure. The backtracking on NATO/trident, and other signals, suggest this process is well under way.

  • bevin

    “Have you any concrete evidence about these three alleged posts which you claim you submitted? Or are you just indulging in a bit of conspiracy theorising?”

    Habba is almost certainly paid by the post. Those two “missing” posts could be part of a crude attempt to get extra money from his employer.

    On the other hand it is very likely that Habba’s bosses monitor the blog and record every post, as well as (for bonus purposes) every response induced by them and could easily tell us whether or not their troll is being honest. If we hear nothing it will surely be because the disputed contributions never existed.

  • Ed L

    Just another tedious appeal to authority (“JIC”; “certain knowledge” ; “Julian” – btw how the f# would he know if he’s been cooped up in an embassy for years ; surprised you never worked “Nicola” in there) but no actual evidence whatsoever, all on the laughable notion that some loon (or quine) in Aberdeen was actually some arm of the government.

    Put up or shut up.

  • nevermind

    @Brian, why ever did they chase you, a principled grandfather?…;)

    Did you say Labour? what’s that…. where you are?

    Next time get to the next hillside, up you go, they might follow about a third of the way and then they will start whistling Dixie for lack of fitness. So much for sitting in fast cars and growing fat arses.

    My best to the bearn and mum, see ya at the DTRH, defo.

    Somebody should make a film of Jim Murphies face on election night, please, don’t matter if its a silent movie, cause it will not need sound.

  • lysias

    “You have to question the denials of people who should know better. Who do they work for?”

    For evidence that many leading journalists in the German-speaking media are bought and paid for by the corporatists, read Gekaufte Journalisten [Bought Journalists] by veteran FAZ journalist Udo Ulfkotte.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Fred : “That it was the security services which vandalised them is just unsupported opinion. There is no evidence to support it whatsoever.”

    …. and it is just your unsupported opinion that such a notion is far fetched. You have no evidence to support your opinion whatsoever.

  • lysias

    Interesting book on how the CIA has bought off journalists and media in the U.S.: The Mighty Wurlitzer: How the CIA Played America, by Hugh Wilford.

  • Republicofscotland

    The National newspaper,carries the story,in todays version,mmr Assange highlights GCHQ’s part in the Scottish referendum.

    Explaining how Westminster saw Scottish independence as a threat to national security.

    Mr Assange also points out how biased the civil service was,against Scotland,over independence when infact the civil service and treasury,are meant to be neutral.

    Pity we can’t somehow bring Mr Assange up to Scotland.

  • Republicofscotland

    To add to my previous comment you just have to look at the dirty trick,the Treasury played on Scotland,Sir Nicholas MacPherson had information released that RBS,was moving across the border (it was an outfight lie) but it frightened enough people into voting no.

    The Treasury belongs to HRH Queen Lizzie,who purred down the telephone to David Cameron,when a no vote,was returned.

  • fred

    “…. and it is just your unsupported opinion that such a notion is far fetched. You have no evidence to support your opinion whatsoever.”

    According to Craig’s post most of the MSM and half of twitter agree. I still maintain that Craig’s posts from before the referendum show him not to be a reliable judge.

    You don’t have too much credibility either, did we bomb Assad yet?

    I see Nicola has backed down on full fiscal autonomy and decided she wants to stay with the Barnett formula after all. One more thing Nationalists got wrong, Scotland could not afford independence, lucky 55% got it right or we would be in trouble.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    The point I am making and you are studiously ignoring is that NONE of us know who was responsible for the graffiti, therefore all your bluster about far fetched notions is baseless speculation.

    Fred : “You don’t have too much credibility either, did we bomb Assad yet?”

    (a) Blatant attempt to change the subject because you were losing the argument.
    (b) Illogical claim based on a question which is meaningless for another 6 months.
    (c) Personal attack on me. Hypocritical.
    (d) People who live in glass houses who’s defence for making fraudulent claims is “Other people do it too” shouldn’t throw stones.

  • fred

    “The point I am making and you are studiously ignoring is that NONE of us know who was responsible for the graffiti, therefore all your bluster about far fetched notions is baseless speculation.”

    There are a load of people saying nobody knows how old the earth is so we can’t say it wasn’t created 6,000 years ago.

    They are wrong as well.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Fred : “There are a load of people saying nobody knows how old the earth is so we can’t say it wasn’t created 6,000 years ago. They are wrong as well.”

    Translated = Fred knows SNP were responsible and you’re a nutter if you question how he knows.

  • fred

    “Translated = Fred knows SNP were responsible and you’re a nutter if you question how he knows.”

    Except I didn’t accuse anyone, it was Craig who did the accusing. Usually the burden of proof falls on the accuser but you turned that around and expected me to prove the security services weren’t responsible.

  • Craig P

    Of course there will have been secret service involvement in the referendum and probably in the SNP for decades. It would a dereliction of their duty to protect the integrity of the British state otherwise. However the extent of any involvement remains unknown. And until concrete proof can be found, the balance of probabilities is that the Aberdeen graffiti is an independence supporter acting on their own initiative. There is the occasional genuine nat zoomer after all.

    It would be better to concentrate on the abuses of power that we know are fact, the involvement of the foreign office persuading heads of state to speak out against independence, the treasury colluding with RBS to rubbish the SNP’s economic case, Sir Nicholas Macpherson boasting of the civil service coming together to thwart independence.

    At least there have been no direct physical attacks on Scots or Scotland by the intelligence agencies. The opportunities to sow mayhem just aren’t there, given the peaceful and democratic nature of the independence movement. The miners in the 1980s and Northern Ireland in the 70s and 80s got a far harder time of it from their government.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Fred : “Except I didn’t accuse anyone, it was Craig who did the accusing. Usually the burden of proof falls on the accuser but you turned that around and expected me to prove the security services weren’t responsible.”

    No. I expect you to continue evading the question.

    You said it was a “far fetched” notion to believe the security services were responsible. I have repeatedly asked you for evidence to justify your opinion.

    I don’t expect to get it.

  • DavidH

    The MI5 actions against CND and union leaders are now well established. Those groups were also seen as potential threats to UK stability so would come under the “tasking”. Not to say that all conspiracy theories are necessarily true. Most are the crock of BS that they initially appear to be, but a few turn out to be true. Just because the man is paranoid doesn’t mean they are not out to get him…

    The trick must be to look at the facts as they are available, free of preconceived bias. A trick that is more difficult the closer in time and place and sentiment you are to the action. And here on the Scottish question, Craig has lost that balance and clearheaded thinking that he used to bring to whatever topic was under discussion. He’s definitely partisan, and that clouds the choice of facts that are presented – a trait that he deservedly treats with suspicion in others. When you start to want something so dearly, the temptation to order facts to suit your desires becomes large.

    Again, not saying that MI5 have no interest in the Scottish Nats, of course they do and of course it’s within their “tasking”. The discussion should be about exactly how that interest is being pursued. Spray painting offices in Aberdeen? Seems kind of lame to me but not half as lame as the Twitter responses of those journalists questioning Craig’s sanity. Still, Twitter’s not a medium that encourages the most detailed examination of an issue.

  • John Spencer-Davis

    This is interesting. It’s from some gentleman named David Lafferty on the comments section of the Herald Scotland Assange article linked to by Craig above.

    Anyone have any idea if it’s true or baloney?

    Kind regards, John

    “Julian Assange has said that if he is jailed he is going to release evidence that up to 90% of UK MP’S and up to 90% of American Senators have offshore tax avoidance bank accounts.

    He has also said that this is the reason why UK bankers have not been prosecuted. The MP’S are covering up for the bankers and the bankers are covering up for the MP’S.

    No, the British are not just ignoring him, as of today it has cost this country about £20 million pounds for round the clock policing to catch him at the Ecuador Embassy.

    No wonder this country and the Americans are desperate to catch him”

  • Defiant

    Assange is just a just a kook. He needs to face his rape rap before I can take him seriously. He’s just a professional activist. Nothing noble in my eyes.

  • John Spencer-Davis

    Defiant
    17/04/2015 4:21pm

    Julian Assange has not been charged with rape, so there is no question of a “rape rap”.

    Kind regards,

    John

  • doug scorgie

    Fred
    15 Apr, 2015 – 11:02 pm
    “Does that mean that what he says is never to be taken seriously?”
    “It means it can never be relied on.”
    ……………………………………………………………………………………….

    So, Fred, you say that whatever Craig Murray says…”it can never be relied on.”

    Are you for real?

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