#Frenchgate: Definitely the Security Services 88


The Foreign Office has denied the existence of any such memo as that allegedly leaked to the Daily Telegraph, which has now published the full text. Reading it, I can say for sure it is not an FCO memo. That has led some to assume this means it is a Scottish Office memo. But there is a problem here.

Firstly, if the Scottish Office – or any other government department – made a record of a conversation with the French Consul-General, they would undoubtedly have copied it to the FCO. Particularly as the FCO is mentioned and a number of overseas visits and an international negotiation are discussed. If this were a genuine minute, the FCO would undoubtedly have a copy. If the FCO denies it exists, that means there was no such memo made in the Scottish Office and distributed in the ordinary channels.

Secondly, as I stated, the media’s claim that it was a protocol requirement for the French Embassy to report such conversations to the FCO was a complete fabrication. Not only is there no such requirement, it would be contrary to normal diplomatic practice. That is even more true with the Scottish Office. It is unthinkable that the French Consul-General would report those kind of confidential comments from Nicola Sturgeon to the Scottish Office.

If Embassies reported everything people told them to their host governments, nobody would tell the embassy anything. Indeed this episode has already damaged the French Embassy, because it casts a slur upon the discretion and confidentiality which is essential to operate as a diplomat. It may well be that driving a wedge between the SNP and the French Embassy was part of what the security services sought to achieve.

It damages the French Embassy, it damages the SNP, and it damages Miliband by repeating the meme about his being weak and unfit. Those would all seem good results to the security services. Only Miliband has been stupid enough to go along with it.

It seems to me the overwhelming probability is that this document, whether it purports to be a FCO or Scottish Office document, was originated by the Security Services, possibly with the active collusion of someone in the Scottish Office, or equally possibly without their knowledge. Whatever it purported to be, it never entered the normal civil service distribution systems, as the FCO would have a copy, and it would have raised alarm bells all over the place as seriously weird and improbable. It is in that sense a fake, even if it were physically produced inside the Scottish Office. Its purpose was to be leaked to the media and influence the election.


88 thoughts on “#Frenchgate: Definitely the Security Services

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  • Jim Morris

    In the Telegraph’s full version there is also an attempt to drive a wedge between Salmond and Sturgeon, to devalue the SNP presence in Westminster.

  • callum

    Wrong side of the river, Craig. Looks like a CX written off the back of a phone intercept, either on the French consulate phones or more alarmingly the Fm’s phone.

    CX then is turned into a cutnpaste memo to be leaked by a Scotch office staffer, worrying about protective marking.

  • BrianFujisan

    Here is the Grab of Nicola’s speaking at Bairns not Bombs rally.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=36&v=pMiFKfe-eTY

    and the view i got from the crowd –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM7gLSyqMTA

    No one i spoke believed a word of the smears, even at the earliest stages yesterday morning…after the referendum, we Know what they are like…how low the could stoop.

    P.s My mum foned me to say i was on bbc news walking past Nicola, she could tell me what we were wearing..Fame.

  • Mary

    Thanks Brian and good on all of you up there.

    The PTB are certainly blackening Nicola. Following the Mail’s ‘Is this the most dangerous woman in Britain’ front page, they now have a before and after on her appearance just to let us know that she has had a makeover. They would not dare to do the same with the snake oil salesmen.

    Ref Smoothface Cameron, he is shown looking at babies and pushing one in a buggy, (we are told by ZBC that he gets broody about babies) and he constantly refers to his deceased child. Today we have SamCam doing the same in print in the Mail and praising her wonderfully supportive husband. Their strong Christian faith also gets a mention.

    It is sickening hypocrisy especially when you consider how many babies he helped to kill in Libya and those he planned to kill in Syria and his weak response to the Israeli slaughter of little ones in Gaza.

    Is the imminent royal birth going to form part of his electioneering for a feel good factor?

  • Habbabkuk (La vita e' bella)

    “Note that the troll found it necessary to repeat the content of the Crawford smear against Craig, not dissimilar from the original FCO muck that was thrown at Craig.

    The troll normally creeps around Craig but not this time. The knives are out.”

    ____________________________________

    What a desperately silly person you are, Mary.

    The Charles Crawford “smear” was to say that Craig spouts left-wing nonsense. That is a statement of opinion with which you might agree or not agree, but not a smear.

    If you cannot see the difference between that remark of Charles Crawford and what Craig was accused of by the FCO then you are really losing it and should retire forthwith.

    As for “creeping round Craig”, O Oily One, I notice how silent you keep when Craig is giving us his opinions on Ukraine, Russia and Mr Putin. Idealogically you must be bursting with the effort of holding back from criticising him, but your oiliness and sycophancy will not allow you to do so.

    Mary, your time has come and gone. Retire!

  • Habbabkuk (La vita e' bella)

    Mary

    “It is sickening hypocrisy especially when you consider how many babies he helped to kill in Libya and those he planned to kill in Syria and his weak response to the Israeli slaughter of little ones in Gaza.”
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    You are not only Oily but also Desperately Hypocritical.

    The vast majority of the babies killed in Libya has been killed in the fight between tribes and by Islamic fanatics and not by David Cameron.

    The vast majority of babies killed in Syria have been slaughtered either by Assad’s “army” good against civilians, not so good against Israel, eh!) or by the IS killers and not by David Cameron.

    As for the children killed in Gaza, perhaps you should use some of your Palestinian contacts to advise Hamas fighters to come into the open and not embed themselves amoung civilians.

  • Mary

    Another hell brought to earth.

    Syria: Palestinians flee fighting in Yarmouk refugee camp
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32189636

    ‘Yarmouk was first built for Palestinians fleeing a different conflict, the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.’

    That above is the BBC’s coy description of Al Naqba.

    ‘Before the Syrian civil war began, it had more than 150,000 refugees living there and had its own mosques, schools and public buildings.’

  • Habbabkuk (La vita e' bella)

    “‘Before the Syrian civil war began, it had more than 150,000 refugees living there and had its own mosques, schools and public buildings.’”

    ______________________________

    Yes, and is Mr Cameron responsible for the Syrian civil war??

    If not, what is your point?

    You are losing it.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita e' bella)

    Marga

    If you really live in Catalonia as you claim, you will know that the main motivation of the Catalonian independence movement is economic.

    The Catalonian independentists are no different from the Italian Northern League, which openly states that industrious, well-off Northern Italy is fed up with having to support their lazy, corrupt and impecunious Southern countrymen.

    To claim otherwise is tosh.

  • Mary

    The troll utters the usual neocon assertions without any evidence or links as per usual.

    ~~~

    Now it’s baby lambs. Cameron has just been shown bottle feeding an orphan lamb. How sweet. What a kind man he is.

    Gideon was in a garden centre pretending to look at plants in a section marked ‘Intense Blue’!

    You could not make this infantile stuff up. The hand of Lynton Crosbie is at work of course.

  • RobG

    @BrianFujisan
    5 Apr, 2015 – 10:42 am

    Thanks for the YouTube links of Sturgeon’s speech at the anti-Trident rally (I particularly liked your view from the crowd).

    I’m sure that you lot north of the border are aware that the Establishment will now be doing everything they can to take out Sturgeon, quite literally (Craig is certainly aware of it). The smear campaign this weekend will be child’s play by comparison.

    ‘They’ know that they won’t get away with a ‘fatal car crash’, but it will be something almost as nasty.

    The fact that England is now controlled by such corrupt vermin is almost entirely the fault of the brainwashed English public.

    Cue Habba…

  • RobG

    @Mary
    5 Apr, 2015 – 6:11 pm

    I’m saving all these campaign photos, such as Clegg standing by the ‘DANGER: DEEP WATER’ sign, for a later presentation.

    I think the best one so far must be Cameron wearing shiny red gloves and holding a big hammer.

    I’m sure there will be lots more to come.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita e' bella)

    “The troll utters the usual neocon assertions without any evidence or links as per usual.”

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    No, Mary, I am just exposing the sheer silliness and ignorance of you saying things like this about David Cameron:

    “It is sickening hypocrisy especially when you consider how many babies he helped to kill in Libya and those he planned to kill in Syria and his weak response to the Israeli slaughter of little ones in Gaza.”

    In response to that tosh, I corrected you as follows:

    “The vast majority of the babies killed in Libya has been killed in the fight between tribes and by Islamic fanatics and not by David Cameron.

    The vast majority of babies killed in Syria have been slaughtered either by Assad’s “army” good against civilians, not so good against Israel, eh!) or by the IS killers and not by David Cameron.

    As for the children killed in Gaza, perhaps you should use some of your Palestinian contacts to advise Hamas fighters to come into the open and not embed themselves amoung civilians.”

    Time to retire, Mary, I am your nemesis.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita e' bella)

    “Now it’s baby lambs. Cameron has just been shown bottle feeding an orphan lamb. How sweet. What a kind man he is.

    Gideon was in a garden centre pretending to look at plants in a section marked ‘Intense Blue’!

    You could not make this infantile stuff up. The hand of Lynton Crosbie is at work of course.”
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    Let me assist you with your life-long learning, Mary.

    Politicians have been taking young, cuddly animals in their arms* during election campaigns for ages now, it’s nothing new.

    Why, I remember Eduard Balladur picking up a young calf (or perhaps it was a lamb)during his Presidential campaign. There was some considerable hilarity when the frightened animal relieved itself on him.

    Not a Lynton Crosbie in sight, Mary.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    * Calm down there, Lysias, no need to send a learned post about British politicians; zoaphilia!

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Hi Brian, Thanks for recording Nicola’s speech. I can just glimpse the back of my head in your video. Fame!

  • RobG

    Habba, didn’t Eduard Balladur shag a young calf?

    Your continual attacks on Mary are a complete disgrace, given the fact that Mary always provides links to back-up what she is saying (whether you agree with her or not). Habba never gives links to anything, because Habba is not only a complete joke, but also a complete betrayal to humanity.

    Welcome to Britain in the 21st century, where vermin are now in control.

  • John Spencer-Davis

    I copied my comment on here (04/04/2015, 5:00 pm) over to Charles Crawford’s website to see what he had to say about the matter. He didn’t make a public retraction as I requested, but it does seem to have been enough (with comments from a few other people) to warrant an entirely new posting:

    http://charlescrawford.biz/2015/04/05/that-sturgeon-memo-again/

    Looks like a bit of a back pedal to me. I will take it apart and have a good look at it, and if I have more to say, I will let you guys know. If I do, I’ll comment over there first and then over here.

    Kind regards,

    John

  • BrianFujisan

    Hullo Bro Node

    Somwhere just in Front of me were Anons… But ya got me wondring as to WTF Napper izat….IZZ Yours… We should communicate More..Are you going on the 13th?

  • John Spencer-Davis

    Thank you, Mary.

    I regret to say, on further reading, that Mr Crawford’s second posting on this matter appears still more unsatisfactory than his first.

    I will be giving my remarks on his latest obfuscation in due course.

    Kind regards,

    John

  • Francis Fallan MBE

    I can’t for the life of me see why
    Nicola Sturgeon would even want
    to say such a thing, again I don’t agree
    that a dreadful comment would come from
    Ed Milland as he doesn’t stoop to such
    hideous and dreadful situations, more like
    one of Cameron’s Uni pals to me?

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Hi Bri,
    Four of us were down from the Highlands for a party near Perth and took the chance to swing by the rally. Great atmosphere and exciting to see Nicola in the flesh. As to which napper, it’s a bald one. I was sunburnt by the time we drove home on Sunday night. There were 3 or 4 Anons on our right. Won’t be there on the 13th, doing other stuff. Hope it goes well.

  • Dave Hansell

    The semantic twists and turns of Mr Crawford and his groupie Habb, full as they are with ifs, buts and conjecture are revealing inasmuch as they offer not a single shred of evidence that the claim by the UK ‘s equivalent of the Chinese People’s Daily (The Daily Telegraph) on this story has any foundation or is in any way congruent with reality.

    What their contributions so far do offer evidence of is the sheer desperation on their part of wanting it to be true. Pitiful really. You would think the Enlightenment never happened.

    Perhaps they could offer me some advice and guidance on a similar matter.

    As at happens I have a story of a similar nature. In the locale where I live there is a popular eating establishment specialising in seafood and potatoes cooked in a French style.

    For some years they have had a now elderly gentleman working there with a definite transatlantic accent with a pronounced Southern drawl who claims to be a once well known international singing and entertainment artiste who used to regularly appear at venues in Las Vegas and who is widely believed to have died some years ago.

    I suspect he may be an illegal immigrant as he has confided in me that he would like to vote Tory in the coming election but cannot as he is intelligible to vote in the UK.

    My question to youboth (Mr Crawford and Groupie Habb) is; do you think the Daily Telegraph would publish this story if I submitted it or do you think it would stand a better chance of publication if the story came from the Foreign Office?

    Thank you for your attention and consideration.

  • John Spencer-Davis

    Re: Charles Crawford critique of CM’s posting on Sturgeon memo.

    I’ve written a lengthy response to Charles Crawford’s latest comments on the Nicola Sturgeon memorandum business and submitted it to his website. I don’t yet know if he is going to permit it to appear. If he does, I will direct you to it. If not, if enough people want to see it over here then I will post it over here, if Craig permits it. Give him a day or two. Please let me know if you would like to see it. (Craig, would you like to see it?) It’s 2,300 words long and I submitted it in 4 postings of 600 words approx.

    Published simultaneously on the “Labour Appeals to Tories” thread and the “#Frenchgate” thread.

    Kind regards,

    John

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