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81 thoughts on “Craig is meeting Julian Assange

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  • Mary

    The Injustice Handed out to Julian Assange Must End
    by John Pilger / June 19th, 2015

    Julian Assange, founder and editor of WikiLeaks, has now been a refugee in the Ecuadorean embassy in London for three years. The key issue in his extraordinary incarceration is justice. He has been charged with no crime. The first Swedish prosecutor dismissed the misconduct allegations regarding two women in Stockholm in 2010. The second Swedish prosecutor’s actions were and are demonstrably political. Until recently, she refused to come to London to interview Assange. Finally, when the British government almost pleaded with her to come, she agreed. She has now cancelled her trip. It is a farce, but one with grim consequences for Assange should he dare step outside the Ecuadorean embassy.

    /..
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/06/the-injustice-handed-out-to-julian-assange-must-end/

    PS I would say ‘prisoner’ rather than ‘refugee’.

  • DoNNyDaRKo

    Looking forward to the space filling up Craig.
    I still find it hard to believe that Sweden of all countries is doing this to a man who consented to sex with a couple of women.
    I lived in Sweden for a number of years and remember the women being rather persistent at the end of the evening to take men home…. It’s as common as Sill to Midsommar.

  • Republicofscotland

    Tell him to lie flat on the back seat of your car,till you get over the border,and into Scotland,we can hide him out in Sawny Beans cave till the heat blows over.

    Failing that we can do a Bonnie Prince Charlie,and hide him on one of Scotland’s 790 islands.

    The real problem is getting him from the embassy to the car without the b*stards seeing him,we need a distraction,any ideas?

  • Ben

    That should rattle some cages, Craig. I suspect you are deliberately tickling the tail of the dragon. πŸ™‚

  • BrianFujisan

    Nice One Republicofscotland, Distractions, a Big protest in fancy costumes it must be do-able in a number of ways.

    And here, from Ecuador’s president Rafael Correa –

    β€œIf we had a European refugee in a European embassy in Quito, if we were to keep him three years without letting him stay, we would be called dictators, fascists. We would be brought in front of the International Criminal Court.”

    http://www.euronews.com/2015/06/18/assange-can-spend-the-rest-of-his-life-in-our-embassy-in-london-ecuador

  • Habbabkuk (la vita Γ¨ bella)

    Republicofscotland

    “Tell him to lie flat on the back seat of your car,till you get over the border,and into Scotland,we can hide him out in Sawny Beans cave till the heat blows over.”
    _________________

    What do you mean by “we”, you blowhard?

    You don’t live in Scotland and you once even told us you weren’t Scottish.

    You sound like London-born John Stephens (or Stephenson) – subsequently known as Sean MacStiofain (onetime QM of the Provisional IRA) πŸ™‚

  • Courtenay Barnett

    Craig,

    Tell him to keep up the good work and discuss this with him:-

    SPEAKING OF WAR AND HATE
    If one were to ask these questions:-
    1. Is it not hate for a white man to shoot nine black people in their place of worship simply because they are black?
    2. What then does one make of drone bombing of maybe a hundred or more Afghans because one sees on a video, from great distance, what is assumed to be β€œterrorists” – who then turn out to be a wedding party celebrating the wedding. What did they do to deserve the bombing? Are they not human – do they not also have families and grieve for their loved ones as do the ones in South Carolina?
    3. When countries are invaded without justifiable ( but fabricated β€œreason”) and millions die – is this not also hate accompanied by cruel and inhumane treatment?
    4. When habeas corpus is abandoned, under the guise of detention of β€œenemy combatants” or β€œterrorism” – is this justifiable? How can anyone be held in indefinite detention without charge and the Rule of Law be said to be operating in a civilized world? Did the Nazis not have a Nuremberg trial – so what permits this digression from any trial?
    All these questions tie together. Put injustice out there; put hate out there; put misdirected violence out there – and see what then blows back. Hate breeds hate; violence breeds violence; and – in the end wars spawn death and destruction.
    It is so interesting that while the US indeed has suffered a tragedy in the recent shooting deaths of African-Americans in a Church, for no other reason than that the victims happened to be black – is indeed an act of hate. But – how many other acts of hate has the American Government perpetrated against the world for decades if not centuries? –
    Year-by-year Timeline of America’s Major Wars (1776-2011)
    1776 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamagua Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War
    1777 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War
    1778 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War
    1779 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War
    1780 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War
    1781 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War
    1782 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War
    1783 – American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War
    1784 – Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War, Oconee War
    1785 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
    1786 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
    1787 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
    1788 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
    1789 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
    1790 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
    1791 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
    1792 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
    1793 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
    1794 – Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War
    1795 – Northwest Indian War
    1796 – No major war
    1797 – No major war
    1798 – Quasi-War
    1799 – Quasi-War
    1800 – Quasi-War
    1801 – First Barbary War
    1802 – First Barbary War
    1803 – First Barbary War
    1804 – First Barbary War
    1805 – First Barbary War
    1806 – Sabine Expedition
    1807 – No major war
    1808 – No major war
    1809 – No major war
    1810 – U.S. occupies Spanish-held West Florida
    1811 – Tecumseh’s War
    1812 – War of 1812, Tecumseh’s War, Seminole Wars, U.S. occupies Spanish-held Amelia Island and other parts of East Florida
    1813 – War of 1812, Tecumseh’s War, Peoria War, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in West Florida
    1814 – War of 1812, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in Florida, Anti-piracy war
    1815 – War of 1812, Second Barbary War, Anti-piracy war
    1816 – First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war
    1817 – First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war
    1818 – First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war
    1819 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war
    1820 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war
    1821 – Anti-piracy war (see note above)
    1822 – Anti-piracy war (see note above)
    1823 – Anti-piracy war, Arikara War
    1824 – Anti-piracy war
    1825 – Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war
    1826 – No major war
    1827 – Winnebago War
    1828 – No major war
    1829 – No major war
    1830 – No major war
    1831 – Sac and Fox Indian War
    1832 – Black Hawk War
    1833 – Cherokee Indian War
    1834 – Cherokee Indian War, Pawnee Indian Territory Campaign
    1835 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War
    1836 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Missouri-Iowa Border War
    1837 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Osage Indian War, Buckshot War
    1838 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Buckshot War, Heatherly Indian War
    1839 – Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars
    1840 – Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade Fiji Islands
    1841 – Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade McKean Island, Gilbert Islands, and Samoa
    1842 – Seminole Wars
    1843 – U.S. forces clash with Chinese, U.S. troops invade African coast
    1844 – Texas-Indian Wars
    1845 – Texas-Indian Wars
    1846 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars
    1847 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars
    1848 – Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War
    1849 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians
    1850 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, California Indian Wars, Pitt River Expedition
    1851 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars
    1852 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars
    1853 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, Walker War, California Indian Wars
    1854 – Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians
    1855 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Yakima War, Winnas Expedition, Klickitat War, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay
    1856 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, Tintic War
    1857 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Utah War, Conflict in Nicaragua
    1858 – Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Mohave War, California Indian Wars, Spokane-Coeur d’Alene-Paloos War, Utah War, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay
    1859 Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Pecos Expedition, Antelope Hills Expedition, Bear River Expedition, John Brown’s raid, U.S. forces launch attack against Paraguay, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1860 – Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Paiute War, Kiowa-Comanche War
    1861 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign
    1862 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Dakota War of 1862,
    1863 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Goshute War
    1864 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Snake War
    1865 – American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Colorado War, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War
    1866 – Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Franklin County War, U.S. invades Mexico, Conflict with China
    1867 – Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, U.S. troops occupy Nicaragua and attack Taiwan
    1868 – Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Red Cloud’s War, Comanche Wars, Battle of Washita River, Franklin County War
    1869 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War
    1870 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War
    1871 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, Kingsley Cave Massacre, U.S. forces invade Korea
    1872 – Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Utah’s Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Franklin County War
    1873 – Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Apache Wars, Cypress Hills Massacre, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1874 – Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Red River War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1875 – Conflict in Mexico, Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Eastern Nevada, Mason County War, Colfax County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1876 – Texas-Indian Wars, Black Hills War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1877 – Texas-Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Black Hills War, Nez Perce War, Mason County War, Lincoln County War, San Elizario Salt War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1878 – Paiute Indian conflict, Bannock War, Cheyenne War, Lincoln County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1879 – Cheyenne War, Sheepeater Indian War, White River War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1880 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1881 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1882 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1883 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1884 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1885 – Apache Wars, Eastern Nevada Expedition, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1886 – Apache Wars, Pleasant Valley War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1887 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1888 – U.S. show of force against Haiti, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1889 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1890 – Sioux Indian War, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Ghost Dance War, Wounded Knee, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1891 – Sioux Indian War, Ghost Dance War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1892 – Johnson County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1893 – U.S. forces invade Mexico and Hawaii
    1894 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1895 – U.S. forces invade Mexico, Bannock Indian Disturbances
    1896 – U.S. forces invade Mexico
    1897 – No major war
    1898 – Spanish-American War, Battle of Leech Lake, Chippewa Indian Disturbances
    1899 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1900 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1901 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1902 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1903 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1904 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1905 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1906 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1907 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1908 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1909 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1910 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1911 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1912 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars
    1913 – Philippine-American War, Banana Wars, New Mexico Navajo War
    1914 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico
    1915 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico, Colorado Paiute War
    1916 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico
    1917 – Banana Wars, World War I, U.S. invades Mexico
    1918 – Banana Wars, World War I, U.S invades Mexico
    1919 – Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico
    1920 – Banana Wars
    1921 – Banana Wars
    1922 – Banana Wars
    1923 – Banana Wars, Posey War
    1924 – Banana Wars
    1925 – Banana Wars
    1926 – Banana Wars
    1927 – Banana Wars
    1928 – Banana Wars
    1930 – Banana Wars
    1931 – Banana Wars
    1932 – Banana Wars
    1933 – Banana Wars
    1934 – Banana Wars
    1935 – No major war
    1936 – No major war
    1937 – No major war
    1938 – No major war
    1939 – No major war
    1940 – No major war
    1941 – World War II
    1942 – World War II
    1943 – Wold War II
    1944 – World War II
    1945 – World War II
    1946 – Cold War (U.S. occupies the Philippines and South Korea)
    1947 – Cold War (U.S. occupies South Korea, U.S. forces land in Greece to fight Communists)
    1948 – Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)
    1949 – Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)
    1950 – Korean War, Jayuga Uprising
    1951 – Korean War
    1952 – Korean War
    1953 – Korean War
    1954 – Covert War in Guatemala
    1955 – Vietnam War
    1956 – Vietnam War
    1957 – Vietnam War
    1958 – Vietnam War
    1959 – Vietnam War, Conflict in Haiti
    1960 – Vietam War
    1961 – Vietnam War
    1962 – Vietnam War, Cold War (Cuban Missile Crisis; U.S. marines fight Communists in Thailand)
    1963 – Vietnam War
    1964 – Vietnam War
    1965 – Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic
    1966 – Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic
    1967 – Vietnam War
    1968 – Vietnam War
    1969 – Vietnam War
    1970 – Vietnam War
    1971 – Vietnam War
    1972 – Vietnam War
    1973 – Vietnam War, U.S. aids Israel in Yom Kippur War
    1974 – Vietnam War
    1975 – Vietnam War
    1976 – No major war
    1977 – No major war
    1978 – No major war
    1979 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)
    1980 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)
    1981 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), First Gulf of Sidra Incident
    1982 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon
    1983 – Cold War (Invasion of Grenada, CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon
    1984 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Persian Gulf
    1985 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)
    1986 – Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)
    1987 – Conflict in Persian Gulf
    1988 – Conflict in Persian Gulf, U.S. occupation of Panama
    1989 – Second Gulf of Sidra Incident, U.S. occupation of Panama, Conflict in Philippines
    1990 – First Gulf War, U.S. occupation of Panama
    1991 – First Gulf War
    1992 – Conflict in Iraq
    1993 – Conflict in Iraq
    1994 – Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti
    1995 – Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti, NATO bombing of Bosnia and Herzegovina
    1996 – Conflict in Iraq
    1997 – No major war
    1998 – Bombing of Iraq, Missile strikes against Afghanistan and Sudan
    1999 – Kosovo War
    2000 – No major war
    2001 – War on Terror in Afghanistan
    2002 – War on Terror in Afghanistan and Yemen
    2003 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, and Iraq
    2004 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen
    2005 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen
    2006 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen
    2007 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen
    2008 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen
    2009 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen
    2010 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen
    2011 – War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen; Conflict in Libya (Libyan Civil War)
    In most of these wars, the U.S. was on the offensive.
    A process of reflection on the greater truths and careful thought is far more likely to heal than harm.
    PEACE!
    CB

  • Republicofscotland

    “You don’t live in Scotland and you once even told us you weren’t Scottish.

    You sound like London-born John Stephens (or Stephenson) – subsequently known as Sean MacStiofain (onetime QM of the Provisional IRA)”
    ______________________________

    When one goes on a fishing expedition,one must remember to bring the proper equipment,but most importantly to bring the correct bait.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita Γ¨ bella)

    It’s not a fishing expedition, Republicofscotland. You told us yourself that you lived in England and that you weren’t even Scottish.

    Not that I care but it’s fun reminding you of what you said when you use the word “us” and pretend you are part of the great Scottish nation.

    Sorry if I annoyed you, hoots mon and all that….

  • Habbabkuk (la vita Γ¨ bella)

    Mr Goss

    “It looks like even under BRICS corporate greed is going to be a major problem.”
    ______________

    My God! Whatever next?

  • Villager (There's a Time and Place for Everything!)

    oops excuse that sub-text in avatar, reserved only for special occasions! πŸ˜‰

  • Republicofscotland

    “It’s not a fishing expedition, Republicofscotland. You told us yourself that you lived in England and that you weren’t even Scottish.”
    _________________________

    Did I really Hmmm……when was this?

  • RobG

    ‘WikiLeaks publishes the Saudi Cables’

    This is going to be rather interesting.

    And Craig, I appreciate that you probably don’t want to go into here on this blog, but any news on the state of Assange’s health?

  • Villager (There's a Time and Place for Everything!)

    Republicofscotland
    19 Jun, 2015 – 2:57 pm
    Tell him to lie flat on the back seat of your car,till you get over the border,and into Scotland,we can hide him out in Sawny Beans cave till the heat blows over.

    Failing that we can do a Bonnie Prince Charlie,and hide him on one of Scotland’s 790 islands.

    The real problem is getting him from the embassy to the car without the b*stards seeing him,we need a distraction,any ideas?
    _________________
    At once reflective of Mr Postman’s intellectual limitations, incorporating spatial skills and sense of humour. Honestly!

  • Villager

    RobG
    19 Jun, 2015 – 1:02 pm
    At least the Assange affair has taught us all how to spell β€˜Ecuadorean’.

  • Villager

    Start again:

    RobG
    19 Jun, 2015 – 1:02 pm
    At least the Assange affair has taught us all how to spell β€˜Ecuadorean’.
    _______________
    Another from the Mr Poatman kettle of fish.

    Try Ecuadorian, you oaf!

    Do these people love making an ass of themselves or what?

  • RobG

    @Villager
    19 Jun, 2015 – 9:13 pm

    In this crazy, fucked-up world we need a bit of humour to keep us sane.

    The likes of you certainly provide that.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Saudi cables -that was 2010, and as most of it indicates Saudi wasn’t all that friendly with Israel in any other respect. Indeed it’s mainly concerned with the maniac Liberman’s attempt to get the USA to twist the Saudi arm and make it more amenable to Israeli ambitions. Liberman’s gone as a force, but in some ways the situation is worse now: Saudi is definitely onside with taking down Assad, and Israel’s helping by handing equipment to the ‘nice’ Syrian insurgents – notably IS isn’t bothering it at all, which is rather strange for the embodiment of pure militant jihad.

    Assad in his heyday was a bastard, but he kept the violence down to an extent we can perhaps appreciate better now he’s hardly there. Shame he wasn’t our bastard. The USUK was wavering at one point about whether to prop him up, and a lot of lives might have been saved if we had. What we’re seeing is the Israeli Plan B, not the subject of the cable. Once Assad and maybe optimistically, Hizb’ullah are out of the way, the thousand-mile stare will turn back to Iran.

  • Villager

    Dead right RobG please do acquire a sense of humour. Atm, this task at this blog, is left to Habby and a couple of others at best.

    But first you are going have to face the self-realisation of what a chutiya you sound like when you threaten you are going to come out of your hibernation, line up people along a wall and shoot them. Grow up you dullard.

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