667 thoughts on “Back to the Fray

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  • RobG

    The trolls here, which I shall call the ‘inmates’ (of the asylum) are getting much more than tiresome. The inmates, who are all probably sados working for Cheltenham or Langley, all seem to be the same person; and what a sick, twisted person that is as its head swivels round and round while spewing out projectile propaganda.

    You vermin can’t beat the truth.

    And you vermin are all going to be dealt with.

    Make no mistake about that.

    • Jim

      What, the truth about Mick’s revolutionary credibility? Or the mid 19thC federal reserve? Any other gems for our scrutiny?

      • RobG

        Are you on electric shock therapy?

        You are denying well documented stuff, and thus you come across as a troll/shill. In otherwords, total vermin.

        Here’s the phone number of RentoKill: 0800 699 345 82867.

        • Jim

          Well documented stuff like the C19th federal reserve? Or Jagger’s revolutionary credentials? Or the JFK assassination conspiracies that Chomsky has such contempt for? Or Bevin’s Pol Pot fandom? Or Bevin’s denial of the said appreciation for the black pyjama’d mass murderer? Or his little error mistaking Saudi Arabia for South America?

  • RobG

    The fact that the trolls/vermin cease activity during the wee hours UK time perhaps points to the fact that these sados originate in Cheltenham.

    Which makes me wonder why the UK now has a huge security state with no real legal oversight whatsoever.

    Oh yeah, it’s the Muslims, innit.

    All you feckers are going to be held to account.

    Make no mistake.

    We’re coming for you criminals.

  • RobG

    I bet they’re all shitting themselves in Cheltenham, because they are all a bunch of criminals, wankers, traitors and total loons.

    I’m sure Habba and Jim, et al, will put us right.

    • Alan

      They’ve got the best steam railway in the country at Cheltenham. How can you slag off the whole population of a city just because of a few you don’t approve of?

      • Habbabkuk (Are you a person of interest?)

        Liked that one!

        Perhaps mocking laughter is the best way of dealing with some of the Eminences.

    • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

      00h43, eh……

      Must have been on the fifth bottle.

      Or just clowning away as usual?

    • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

      He was on his first at 19h39.

      No wonder those famous French wine-lakes have all but disappeared! 🙂

    • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

      Why don’t you volonteer?

      Eschew shouting and insults, and attempt to refute the arguments of the true dissidents using logic, calm argument and – I know this us a big ask – facts, facts, facts (but preferably not from one of the dubious websites)!

      Off you go, “Bright Eyes” (what was your previous handle?)

  • N_

    Look at this article in the Torygraph:

    the Jewish police force, the Shomrim, who supply, for example, rapid photographs to newspapers to support stories about mad Muslims stabbing passersby, and who boast of faster response times than the British police in certain areas in North London, as well as better access to shop video footage, seem to be involved in British coastal security now too.

    Obviously the article is promoting some kind of mobile phone technology too. It is not clear to me what technology, exactly.

    The Jewish police drove down from Stamford Hill to a location near St Margaret’s Bay and Dover. That’s a long way. I wonder whether they kept to the speed limits.

    Was (is?) some kind of action being planned against the port of Dover?

      • Jim

        Definitely no anti-Semites on this site then. Glad Craig moderates so carefully.

        • fedup (Snitchsmeller Pursuivant)

          From the links you have provided:

          Mark Finnis, coxswain of Dover RNLI, said the group had passed “nine warning signs” deterring them from the walk.

          The dastardly antisemi…. swine just cannot comprehend that “chosens” are free to do as they wish and signs and laws do not apply to them!!!! Warning signs are for the others silly!!!

          Not content with the above insults of “nine warning signs” the institutionally antisemi…. lot further go on reiterating the rules and lessons;

          The Port of Dover later tweeted that the group’s rescue “was a lesson to us all to be careful around water and check tidal information”.

          Oh why of why so many antisemi….. are allowed to infest the planet, is it not time for the shitty little strip of land to drop a couple of nukes on these horrid people and end the suffering and misery that they inflict with their tropes and insults?

          PS Why the discrepancy in the news reports? Is this part of the sanitisation and PR program?

          • Habbabkuk (Are you a person of interest?)

            It took me some time to track down the bad smell but I got there in the end. Welcome back, Fedup!

        • Kempe

          They all came from the Ahavas Yisroel community centre in Stamford Bridge, OK? If they were planning anything it can only have a been a mass entry into this year’s Darwin Awards. They’re not the first lot of idiots to get cut off by a rising tide and they won’t be the last, their religion is irrelevant.

      • Jim

        You can, but nobody will believe it. Well, maybe the denizens of this insane pit will, Bevin and RoS and the rest. But there are far more people able to see the drivelling pernicious views expressed on here than those weirdo’s. It’s open for anyone to view.

        • N_

          You “think” it’s normal that when more than 30 children nearly get killed because the adults in charge know fuck all about tide tables then the school isn’t named? What a pea-brained bigot who pluralises using apostrophes you are. What’s open for anyone to view? You can’t think straight, mate. But you can scoff. And you can say “anti-Semitism” when someone who hasn’t got shit for brains makes you feel awkward because you have. Goodness, what a champ. Keep on typing your one-liner pieces of dickheadery into your smartphone.

          • Jim

            You can’t even see it yourself, that’s the frightening thing! Tide tables and concern for kiddies my arse.

          • fred

            “What a pea-brained bigot who pluralises using apostrophes you are.”

            The apostrophe is correct, the views of the weirdos, it’s just in the wrong place it should be after the “s”.

          • Jim

            Don’t try and mask your real point by feigning interest in tide tables and the latest news from the RNLI, it makes you look as pathetic as Bevin or RoS.

          • N_

            @Fred

            He wrote, “But there are far more people able to see the drivelling pernicious views expressed on here than those weirdo’s.

            So we have “(m)ore people…than those weirdo’s“. He’s claiming mass support among a non-weird majority for his own rude opposition to intelligent and knowledgeable questioning. OK, let’s not laugh for a moment.

            Since he is trying to use “weirdo’s” in the subject case, no apostrophe is necessary.

            Do you seriously think he means that “there are far more people able to see the drivelling pernicious views expressed on here than those (weirdos’) (pernicious views).”

            If you want to pursue this, and you continue to believe that he meant “weirdo’s”, to use his spelling, to be in the possessive case, please can you tell me what is the object of the possession.

          • Habbabkuk (Are you a person of interest?)

            N_

            I wonder what has brought you back on here after your welcome absence.

            Are you spearheading some sort of terrorist attack on this blog?

          • N_

            @Dim Jim

            Don’t try and mask your real point by feigning interest in tide tables and the latest news from the RNLI, it makes you look as pathetic as Bevin or RoS.

            So you want me to say what you idiotically think I’m saying more openly, because that way I won’t look so “pathetic”? I told you you can’t think straight.

            I have no special “interest” in tide tables. Nor do I see why it’s wrong of me to quote the RNLI when they have just rescued dozens of children from coastal danger. You’d sneer at your own arsehole if you didn’t have anything else to sneer at. Hey, maybe your arsehole is farting Wagner when you’re not paying attention!

            And how many times do I have to explain that sentences shouldn’t be separated using commas? Go on, Jimmy me old china, show the world how fast you can learn! You wouldn’t want to seem as “pathetic” as a “weirdo” like me, would you?

        • Republicofscotland

          “But there are far more people able to see the drivelling pernicious views expressed on here ”

          ________

          Indeed Jim, but since it looks like you’re here to stay, I suppose we’ll just have to put up with you, for now.

          Still the blogs does feel more…… ethical, now we have a ” bona fide” humanitarian, in the fraudlent sense of course.

        • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

          Yes, the denizens of this blog – as you might know, I call them the Egregiousness of Excellences and their hangers-on – would believe it.

          But they just sound off on here in a kind of mutually-reinforcing chatter – in the real world they are silent and do not of course have the balls to do anything practical to fight against the ills they claim to see everywhere. Take the example of “Republicofscotland”, who goes on about Israel and Zionism – when one asks him whether he at least takes part in the BDS movement, he goes all coy and refuses to answer. 🙂

          It’s a kind of group onanism: each Excellence is tossing himself off individually while making sure the other Excellences are watching.

      • Jim

        I’m not Ukrainian, just rather intolerant of war-mongering neo-Nazis and homophobes whether from Russia, Ireland, or wherever.

        • Macky

          Dim Jim; “I’m not Ukrainian, just rather intolerant of war-mongering neo-Nazis and homophobes”

          So you disassociate yourself from the troll tactic of denying the truth about the Ukraine situation, all in order to demonise Russia ?

          • Jim

            Nobody’s denying there are unpleasant neo-Nazis in Ukraine. I’ve already ‘admitted that. The history of Ukrainian complicity in the mass murder of virtually the whole Jewish population of Ukraine should be much better known than it is. The documentary ‘Holocaust by Bullets’ and the French Catholic priest responsible for trying to bring this story to the worlds attention should be applauded.

            However, your transparent attempt to conflate these deeply unpleasant elements in Ukrainian society with the government does not bear scrutiny. More dissembling from Macky I’m afraid. As I showed in the Peter Tatchell link several times, ultra-Nationalist neo-Nazi thugs exist in Russia too. They exist everywhere.

          • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

            “Macks”

            “Dim Jim; “I’m not Ukrainian, just rather intolerant of war-mongering neo-Nazis and homophobes”

            Interesting that you didn’t give the full quote, which ended with the words “..homophobes whether from Russia, Ireland, or wherever”. 🙂

  • Silvio

    Why do I get the feeling like it is 1939 all over again? Maybe this is why:

    Germany Preparing for War Against Russia

    According to a report issued on June 6th in German Economic News (Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten, or DWN), the German government is preparing to go to war against Russia, and has in draft-form a Bundeswehr report declaring Russia to be an enemy nation. DWN says: “The Russian secret services have apparently thoroughly studied the paper. In advance of the paper’s publication, a harsh note of protest has been sent to Berlin: The head of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Russian State Duma, Alexei Puschkow, has posted the Twitter message: ‘The decision of the German government declaring Russia to be an enemy shows Merkel’s subservience to the Obama administration.’”

    http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/germany-preparing-war-russia/

    Craig and other UK residents might want to take this advance notice to visit a nearby chemist to stock up on potassium iodide pills before the big rush starts and the “PI sold out” signs start to go up in the shop windows.

      • Alan

        “Are the trolls Jim and Habbaclown in de nile?”

        I would swear some last night were claiming them to be in Cheltenham. You trolls are hardly consistent, are you?

          • Alan

            If you wish to be pedantic it should be De-Nile, “Nile” being a proper noun.

            And “troll” is somebody causing trouble for the sake of it, not somebody with a different viewpoint to you.

  • fwl

    Two interesting articles in The London Review of Books this month:

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n11/naomi-klein/let-them-drown

    Naomi Klein looks at how we stigmatise, belittle, dehumanize and ignore those ‘other’ communities who we deem suitable for sacrifice so that we might reap the benefits eg JNF’s forestation on Palestinian farms, conservation land grabs from Brazil to Uganda, Naru and Manus (both new to me) and generally in respect of oil and the ME;

    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n11/patrick-cockburn/somalia-syndrome

    Patrick Cockburn considers how a one polar world has lead to the “Somalification” of many states i.e. how the collapse of the USSR has removed resistance and facilitated “well organized looting expeditions”.

      • fwl

        Why don’t you read it and see. You can download the whole of Klein’s essay inline, but you need to pay for cockburn’s.

        Klein has my respect for setting out a coherent argument about how things are. If anything she tends to pull her punches so as to get the gist across without alienating nervous new readers. You can’t really deny the premise of her piece. We belittle those who take the sacrifice.

    • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

      What’s the “right thing” in this particular case, “Macks”?

      Let’s have some substance and thought from you for a change! 🙂

      • Macky

        Sending some to be housed in the homes of clearly lonely trolls such as yourself; would do you the world of good to have human company, might even light up some of those dark misanthropic recesses of your little troll mind ! 😀

        • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

          So, what”s the “right thing to do” you refer to in your post at 12h44?

          Any ideas? Please illuminate us.

          • Macky

            It would take a Supernova exploding on the end of your clown nose to illuminate your Black Hole brain ! 😀

          • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

            Still waiting, Macky, for your take on what would be “the right thing” for the French govt to do.

            I’m beginning to think you just wrote that without having a clue about what you meant.

  • Macky

    Dim Jim; “ultra-Nationalist neo-Nazi thugs exist in Russia too. They exist everywhere.”

    Exactly the point Einstein, but only in Ukraine are they appointed in Government positions, and only in the Ukraine do they worship Nazi collaborators as National heroes; yet war-mongering trolls always ignored this & instead like to point fingers at some Russian Neo-Nazis in order to demonise Russia ! So transparent, so infantile, it’s pathetic.

    • Jim

      Exactly the point? You’ve spent the last week blatantly ignoring homophobic Russian neo-Nazis like yourself, and the severe beating they gave to Peter Tatchell. It’s all on record on here in case you forgot. Together with your utter contempt for Osama Nassar and his Syrian friends.

      • Macky

        Dim Jim; “You’ve spent the last week blatantly ignoring homophobic Russian neo-Nazis like yourself”

        Splendid example of troll logic;
        a) that I didn’t prove to Dim Jim, that I don’t approve of homophobic Russian neo-Nazis that must mean that I approve of them !
        b) because of a) it follows that I am a homophobic Russian neo-Nazis myself !

        Never too late to go back to night school, a course in logic & rationality is what I recommend for you ! 😀

        Oh, re Osama Nassar , for the thousandth time, it’s disgusting warmongers who use the suffering of people like him in order to propagandise for war, that I hold in utter contempt, not the poor people that they use as props & pretexts.

        • Jim

          Save it for the judge matey, it’s a waste of breath.
          And by the way, conflating the Ukrainian government with the neo-Nazi fraternity is about as convincing as trying to conflate Syriza in Greece with the Golden Dawn shower of shits, which feeble effort has been tried. You really need to sharpen up your propaganda tools, they’re getting blunter by the day.

          • Macky

            Dim Jim; ” conflating the Ukrainian government with the neo-Nazi fraternity is about as convincing as trying to conflate Syriza in Greece with the Golden Dawn shower of shits,”

            Proof of the Troll Pudding ! A complete surreal detachment from reality, a fantasy world created by Necons & their Propandaists, that everybody with a ounce of commonsense can see through; go and take your place next to the Habba-Ttoll & the Resident Dumbo in the line-up of Clowns, and expect lots of eggs & custard pies, along with well deserved ridicule, and perhaps some pity ! 😀

          • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

            Dreoilin used to say that Macky wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer.

  • bevin

    They began by lying about little things. But before long they were telling lies about Saddam’s arsenal. These were soon proved to be falsehoods, though it took more than a million dead before the trolls, grudgingly, confessed to their “mistake.”

    Undaunted, though they began to lie about Libya, like hyenas in the desert, the trolls howled in unison that Benghazi was about to be reduced to dust by Ghadaffi’s air force. They then fantasised to the effect that thousands of African mercenaries, recruited to support the Colonel’s government, were being dosed with Viagra and were raping Libyan girls on an industrial scale. By the time that that lie was no longer appearing in 72 point type in the ‘quality press’, Ghadaffi had been raped, anally, with a knife and Hillary Clinton was laughing about it on TV.
    The lies now just kept pouring out. It have been established that, by carefully deploying clouds of trolls around the excrement of imperial propaganda, the public could never see for itself exactly how silly and dishonest that propaganda was.
    So now there was no limit to the lies: a Saudi/Turkish invasion of Syria could be passed off-outside Syria- as a Proletarian Revolution, complete with John Reed wannabes in New York city and fiery PhD candidates from SOAS, waving red flags and calling out, in solidarity, to comrades in Kiev.

    There was no end, yet, to the lies: no reason for them to end.

    The President of Honduras was kidnapped and disappeared abroad because he was rumoured to be thinking of amending the constitution. The President of Haiti had already suffered the same fate because the constitution had not been amended from first past the post Senate elections to include run-offs. In Haiti gangsters and CIA agents take electoral reforms seriously-or so the trolls told us.

    But the lie which ended it all, and has gathered swarms of trolls around itself, as well as a new law in Japan to prevent the truth from being uttered, is the Fukushima lie. The “nothing to worry about here, life goes on” lie.
    The lie that, contrary to previously established opinion there is nothing wrong with radiation in massive quantities.

    Right now 600 tons of molten nuclear fuel has disappeared from view. It is believed to be travelling through the earth’s crust towards its molten core.
    And the trolls insist that we have nothing to worry about. That nuclear power is just fine. That any profiteer who can raise the capital should be given the chance to build a power station.
    And that life on earth is eternal, That life goes on. That we can act with utter irresponsibility because the planet can take it.
    Dante knew that there was a particularly nasty corner in Hell reserved for the very worst of criminals, those who attacked truth like piranha fish seizing upon pork chops, a superheated corner for trolls from the internet. (He just had difficulty putting it into verse.)

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/07/fukushima-worse-than-a-disaster/

    • Jim

      A fine patch of purple prose Bevin! Stirs the very soul! What about your lies though? You’re strangely silent on the subject of those little white porkies.

      • Republicofscotland

        Ah Jim there you are, how is our resident humanitarian (in a hypothetical sense of course) today? Well I hope?

        I’m sure that Jim our lover of the oppressed under dog, will feel the need to travel over the high seas to defend those in Yemen, (women and children I might add) who are slaughtered daily, using British made bombs.

        http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/amnesty-rebuff-uk-denials-over-sale-cluster-bombs-saudi-yemen-1275213228

        Of which the UK Foreign office has denied, of course Amnesty International has countered that claim, over to you Jim, lets here you berate and denounce Phil Hammond, and the British government.

        It could that our great humanitarian (in a ficticious sense of course) may find that on this occasion (no Assad involvement) that he has a conflict of interest so to speak.

        • Jim

          Already posted on the subject Scotland, keep up dear boy! How’s the friendship with Mackers coming along? And I wonder where the Magisterial Davis has gone? Maybe he’s agitating on Macky’s behalf for this ‘conference’.

          • Republicofscotland

            Erm… No Jim you didn’t comment on the article, you posted a link, and a comment on the Guardian newspaper (evil MSM)

            I thought a committed humanitarian (in the farcical sense) like yourself would be utterly outraged by it. I thought Jim, the great defender of humanity would feel the need to go public and denounce the use of British made barbaric weapons, used to kill and maim Yemeni women and children.

            But no our passionate supporter of Mr Nassar, compassion doesn’t extend beyond a vicitim of the Assad regime remains taciturn.

            Habb, the standard of your minions on here has plummeted, to a all time low.

      • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

        The Stalinist ignoramus has the chutzpah to mention Dante!

          • Macky

            So is this;

            “” conflating the Ukrainian government with the neo-Nazi fraternity is about as convincing as trying to conflate Syriza in Greece with the Golden Dawn shower of shits,””

            😀

    • Alan

      “They began by lying about little things. But before long they were telling lies about Saddam’s arsenal”

      “They” of course, being Blair and Company in the Nu Labour government that some around here undoubtedly voted into power. Are you seriously saying Bush was the brains behind the Iraq invasion and that Blair was just his poodle?

      “Right now 600 tons of molten nuclear fuel has disappeared from view. It is believed to be travelling through the earth’s crust towards its molten core.”

      If you had any geophysics qualifications, you would know that another 600 tons of radioactive material is just a drop in the ocean compared to the radioactive material already naturally occurring there.

      http://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/safety-and-security/radiation-and-health/naturally-occurring-radioactive-materials-norm.aspx

      “Long-lived radioactive elements such as uranium, thorium and potassium and any of their decay products, such as radium and radon are examples of NORM. These elements have always been present in the Earth’s crust and atmosphere, and are concentrated in some places, such as uranium orebodies which may be mined.”

    • Republicofscotland

      Trowbridge H.Ford.

      Dont go, please regale us with one of your, insightful tales, we all need a break from Jim’s great humanitarian cause, at least for a short while. ?

      • Trowbridge H. Ford aka The Biscuit

        Okay, how can Josh Cohen, a former USAID employee, have an article on Reuters about Hillary and The Donald wanting to work out a new relationship with China over North Korea without making any mention of Ash Carter, your peacemaker, cranking up pressure on China’s build up of islands in the South China Sea?

        Seems rather Machiavellian to me.

        • Loretha

          “Seems rather Machiavellian to me.”

          But then everything seems rather Machiavellian to you.

        • Republicofscotland

          Trowbrige H.Ford

          Well I’d imagine it’s a case of covering all the basis, unless you have better thesis? ?

  • Republicofscotland

    “British special forces are reported to be operating alongside Syrian opposition rebels facing daily attacks by Islamic State (IS) group militants near the Jordanian border, the Times newspaper reported on Monday.”

    “According to a commander of the New Syrian Army (NSA), a unit made up of former Syrian special forces soldiers, the British troops crossed from Jordan to help with reconstructing defences in the village of al-Tanf after a wave of IS assaults.”

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/british-special-forces-operating-alongside-rebels-syria-1780850703

    ____________________

    No doubt, Jim, whose travelled the seven seas giving out aid to the less fortunate, in war torn nations (speciously of course) will find British involvement in Syria comforting, as they’ll only be aiding the “moderate” fighters, rather than those vicious and cruel pro-Assad fighters.

    Still I’m confident Jim has booked his flight to Turkey or Israel, (in his mind) to try and cross into Syria to give out much needed aid to those under the tyranic yoke of the not so moderate fighters, god bless you Jim.

    • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

      “No doubt, Jim, whose travelled the seven seas”

      “whose” ???

    • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

      “Still I’m confident Jim has booked his flight to Turkey or Israel, (in his mind) to try and cross into Syria to give out much needed aid to those under the tyranic yoke of the not so moderate fighters, god bless you Jim.”
      __________________________

      Funny coming from the Scottish, republican-minded poster who hasn’t even moved up to Scotland yet.

      • Republicofscotland

        Habb.

        Whose? Thank you for that, it should read Who’s

        _________________

        Habb. Again.

        Re your second comment, what’s funny is your unwillingness to divulge any details of your own whereabouts or life.

        Especially since you posted a long drawn out comment on “real lives.” Recently.

        Or have you conveniently forgotten about it already?

        • lysias

          Unfair to expect a screen name used by a number of people to reveal anything about him or herself. After all, the next person using the screen name might forget what had been revealed, or even say something contradictory.

          • Jim

            Well we all know that Macky is a repulsive little homophobe, as well as his contempt for the Syrian activists profiled by Amnesty International. And that he has a loyal group of friends including Bevin, the Magisterial Davis, RoS and now apparently your good self Lysias.

          • lysias

            When I posted a quotation from a Spanish source one weekend, “it” insisted I should translate it.

            A few days later, on a weekday (when Spanish linguists would have been on duty), “it” pointed out how I had misunderstood an article in Spanish.

          • Macky

            @Dim Jim, exactly why I linked to it Dumbo, so that people not infected with Trollism can see exactly what a dishonest & vile person you really are.

          • Republicofscotland

            Lysias.

            Thank you for those wise words, I’m sure they fit our establishment lads and ladies to a tee. ?

        • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

          “Habb.

          Whose? Thank you for that, it should read Who’s ”
          _______________________-

          Err, no. In your sentence it should read “who’s” (lower case “w”)/

          • Republicofscotland

            Well, I see Jim our humanitarian, (only if you believe the moon is made of chocolate ) has failed to answer my 16.18pm comment, on a subject he professed to have addressed, and Jim has the audacity to call others fabulists.

            __________

            Habb.

            Well things must be bad when you need to stoop to addressing capital letters, of which I mean’t as a form of highlighting the use of the right word.

            Still I might add that your repertoire, has been drying up for some time now, I’m sure other must have noticed the decline as well. ?

    • Trowbridge H. Ford aka The Biscuit

      Really interesting, Jim, as I have just been checking Tim Snyder’s Bloodlands where the Germans and the Soviets were blamed for the pograms, especially in the Ukraine.

      Will get up an account on my off day of all the Ukrainian dirty wok he blamed on others.

      • Jim

        The Soviets/Russians have plenty of form for Pogroms Trowbridge, anti-Semitism knows no borders. Fr. Desbois is a really good guy, some of the interviews with perpetrators and witnesses to the mass killings are startling.

        • Jim

          And to be clear, these are not mere Pogroms, this is about the early stages of Heydrich’s ‘final solution’. Just not as well known as the Death Camps, and particularly the eager complicity of many Ukrainian villagers. Not all though, that is important to state. Many of the elderly people interviewed were witnesses as children, and are still traumatised by their experiences of watching their friends and neighbours butchered.

          • Resident Dissident

            We might also wish to talk about your paymaster rehabilitating certain other Nazi collaborationists.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11213255/Vladimir-Putin-says-there-was-nothing-wrong-with-Soviet-Unions-pact-with-Adolf-Hitlers-Nazi-Germany.html

            When I was in Moscow recently quite a few people mentioned how surprised they had been by this change in stance from Putin which was quite a volte face from the position that used to be held by Soviet leaders. The reason why some Ukrainians honour people who undoubtedly did collaborate with the Nazis is not because of that act but because of their resistance to Soviet occupiers. It is the same (incorrect) reasoning that leads many Russians and Soviet sycophants to praise Stalin for what they see as his achievements while being blind to the Gulag, The Holodomor etc. This blog is full of people who only see black and white and cannot appreciate that the rest of the world is not like themselves.

            If we want to look closer to the present day – we can look at look at how the LDPR Zhirinovsky’s fascist party does rather better in elections than Svoboda and Right Sector did in the Ukrainian elections; how the LDPR hardly ever opposes the Putin line in Parliament; how a number of former LDPR supporter grace the Russian Government and fill government appointments from time to time; how the ideas of Pinochet are more than a little popular with certain Putin supporters; how Mussolini’s corporate model is a million miles away from how Putin runs the Russian economy (together with a fusion of thought from that other Italian (or should I say Sicilian school), how racist’s such as Dmitry Rogozin (clean the filth) survive and prosper in Putin’s government ( to say nothing of the current vogue for a bit of anti-Turkish rascism; and how the Russian government makes loans to the Front National in France and similar xenophobic and fascist parties throughout Western Europe.

            On the other hand you could ignore all of this like Macky and Bevin and just lament the passing of the good old Soviet Union.

          • Macky

            @Rd, A lot of words, but really saying nothing; trying to equate Putin’s, & many historians, point about Russia being force to sign a non-aggression pact with Hitler, after being turn down by Great Britain, to the fascist loving present Kiev regime, is so absurd as to be meaningless.

            As to “The reason why some Ukrainians honour people who undoubtedly did collaborate with the Nazis is not because of that act but because of their resistance to Soviet occupiers”, well that tells us everything there is to know, the moral priorities & oxymoronic mind-set that collaborates with foreign occupiers, even if they are Nazis, simply because they are not Russian !

            Re “many Russians and Soviet sycophants to praise Stalin for what they see as his achievements while being blind to the Gulag, The Holodomor etc” Are they more or less blind than those who in their eagerness to point fingers at Russia, ignore that the “ Ukrainian Insurgent Army committed several massacres on Polish civilian population in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia having every signs of genocide (Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia). The death toll numbered up to 100 000, mostly children and women” (Wiki).

            Sorry can’t be bothered with the rest of your lame waffle as it is not really worth responding to.

          • Resident Dissident

            “Sorry can’t be bothered with the rest of your lame waffle as it is not really worth responding to.”

            That is because you lack the mental capacity to do so to say nothing of the morality of not wanting to brook any criticism whatsoever of the Putin regime.

      • Loretha

        “Will get up an account on my off day of all the Ukrainian dirty wok ”

        I didn’t realised the Ukrainians cooked in woks.

      • Republicofscotland

        FranzB.

        Incidently Mr Beckenbauer, I thought you were a wonderful football player in your day . ?

        Welcome, it sounds as though you may bring a touch of sanity to this blog, Jim, doesn’t really do reality. ?

        Anyway so it’s a thesis, which probably means it’s full of holes, I also see Mr Goldhagen received severe criticism regarding the thesis. Still small details such as the truth, won’t deter our Jim, who was born to reach the apex of humanitarianism.

    • Republicofscotland

      Oh my linking to the the Harretz newspaper, is akin to linking to the Daily Mail, one needs a fertile imagination for both.

      In the papers defence, against that of the right wing Daily Mail, Harretz claims to be a liberal left tabloid, but then again Jim claims he cares about Mr Nassar…hmmm?

      Still our passionate humanitarian (only if you believe Israel is a non-nuclear state) if nothing else has just that, a Walter Mitty if ever there was one.

      • Ba'al Zevul

        Ha’aretz is a damn sight more balanced than the Mail, RoS. We haven’t anything as good here. Credit where it’s due.

  • RobG

    An interesting piece from yesterday, which someone here might have already linked to, which shows yet another sly way the MSM manipulates public opinion…

    https://off-guardian.org/2016/06/06/cbs-and-its-new-matrix-trick/

    Also, this was top news on the Guardian/CIA web site earlier today…

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/07/hillary-clinton-declared-democratic-presidential-nominee

    It’s total propaganda, ahead of the primaries in California and five other states, which will decide who will be the Democratic presidential candidate.

  • Silvio

    How Muhammad Ali (apparently unintentionally) helped expose an FBI murder plot and disinfo operation against antiwar activists:

    On March 8, 1971, as 300 million people gathered to watch Ali’s first major fight since he was convicted in 1967 for bravely refusing to fight in the unjust Vietnam war, a group of heroic antiwar activists plotted their burglary of the FBI office in Media, Pennsylvania.

    The noise from the fight would provide cover to the burglars as they broke into the office to expose the FBI’s heinous crimes. The group of eight activists would successfully expose the illegal spying operations of J. Edgar Hoover and how citizens across America were subject to the FBI’s black ops — including Martin Luther King, Jr.

    The group took every file in the office, and this cache would eventually lead to major congressional investigations and reform within the United States intelligence apparatus.

    According to the Intercept:

    The distraction of the fight helped the burglars, who called themselves the Citizens Committee to Investigate the FBI, walk away with more than 1,000 documents, including one that revealed the FBI’s secret COINTELPRO operations. These operations involved a panoply of dirty tricks that ranged from planting disinformation about antiwar activists, to planning the murder of a member of the Black Panthers, and sending innocent people to prison on the basis of false testimony by agents and informers.

    More at: http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/in-1971-ali-helped-expose-the-fbis-secret-murder-plots-of-activists-and-antiwar-disinformation.html

  • Trowbridge H. Ford aka The Biscuit

    Just a comforting bit of disinformation, Silvio.

    The fight did stop any FBI dirty work, as I recall.

    J. Edgar was conveniently disposed of, the Watergate break-in occurred, and Governor Wallace was disposed of too.

    The Bureau even collected such a big file on me that when Jonathan Vankin, the historian of conspiracies, tried to see it nearly 20 years later, the Bureau would only release it under a court order.

    The spooks can still do whatever they fancy in the land of the free!

      • Silvio

        Yes, when I read this sentence:

        The group took every file in the office, and this cache would eventually lead to major congressional investigations and reform within the United States intelligence apparatus “ (my emphasis /Silvio)

        I had a little chuckle and thought to myself, “only in your dreams, sucker.”

  • Tony_0pmoc

    John Ward gets the award again today. He’s been doing very well recently. But will Craig Murray read it? I know John Ward reads this blog – cos he said.

    “MPs plot to scupper UK referendum result as US State Dept reverses release of Clinton emails”

    https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/mps-plot-to-scupper-uk-referendum-result-as-us-state-dept-reverses-release-of-clinton-emails/

    Is Craig about to come out?

    Just wondering. I assume he still believes in Democracy rather than World Dictatorship by Lunatics.

    I would be really impressed if he changed his mind. Most blokes over the age of 7 can’t do it – unless they have been trained in the scientific principle (if it has been proven multiple times not to work – stop believing in corrupt evil nonsense – which is The EU)

    Tony

    • Van Helsing

      ‘would be really impressed’

      Oh not the troll with the so sad stories such as “I gave her Led Zeppelin and she gave me the clap”.

      It doesn’t take much to impress you does it? Please refrain from the endless BS?

      • Tony_0pmoc

        It wasn’t the clap – it was thrush. Most of the rest of it is true.

        Incidentally, the best thing to prevent thrush is for her to eat Fresh Natural Yoghurt every day for breakfast.

        It probably won’t work in America though – cos none of your cows are natural….though Goldie Hawn was O.K.

      • RobG

        Van Helsing..? The criminal security services certainly have an ounce of humour during their grim boot on face job.

        “To die, to be *really* dead, that must be glorious!”

        From ‘Dracula’ (the movie) 1931.

    • Van Helsing

      Didn’t you promise earlier that you would take the night off? Whatever happened Troll?

      • Van Helsing

        Oh wait, you went down the pub and she stood you up; why am I not surprised?

    • Tony_0pmoc

      We can only withdraw from the EU, when we have honest politicians of integrity in Westminster. The vast majority of the current lot, are brainwashed, corrupted, blackmailed and threatened by extremely powerful evil forces, largely based in the USA.

      Almost all of Europe, and most of the rest of the World are controlled by these American neocon lunatics – who are determined to control the entire world – even if it means blowing the entire thing up – with a nuclear war with Russia.

      It is obvious these Americans cannot be reasoned with, and there is no one in The UK Government or Westminster even prepared to discuss anything of consequence with them. They are all British cowards and just do what the Americans tell them to do.

      We do not live in a Democracy. We live in an extremely evil American Dictatorship. If no one has the balls to say no to these imbeciles, it will almost certainly be the end of the human race. Its just a matter of time.

      The EU Parliament is even more of a sick joke than Westminster.

      President John F Kennedy understood what these people are like, and tried to stand up to them, as did a few other people. They were all assassinated by them. All we have in Westminster is a puppet show.

      Tony

    • Van Helsing

      Well that was so pathetic that you had to post it twice. Are you some kind of troll?

      (The question was rhetorical; we know the answer)

      • Trowbridge H. Ford aka The Biscuit

        I changed my mind after RoS asked me to stay – see above – but it was just his troll work, as he made no response to my reply.

        And if you try to post something twice, the mods stop you usually.

        Don’t go to pubs, haven’t tried to date anyone in at least a quarter century, and I am no troll, like you who has nothing to say about the futile referendum no matter how many times you are questioned.

        • Ben Monad

          Trow; No one surpasses the projection skills of atavistic trolls.

          They frequently confuse personas and cannot understand the small-motor dexterity needed to utilize a dialogue. It’s like trying to explain algebra to a baboon. Frustration makes them bite nastily.

        • Republicofscotland

          Trowbridge H.Ford.

          I think you’ll find I did reply to your comment, if not imediately . ?

  • Doug Scorgie

    The British ruling elite don’t give a shit about human rights; torture; execution of innocents; war crimes or democracy if there is a profit to be made.
    …………………………………………………………………..

    UK police plan to train Saudis in hi-tech crime detection techniques despite fears they could be used to find political activists, who might then be tortured.

    England and Wales’ College of Policing has, since 2009, provided training to the Saudi Ministry of the Interior in finger-printing, forensics and crime scene investigation, as part of a “trusted professional partnership”.

    It now wants to expand the training to include cybersecurity, mobile phone analysis, CCTV systems, voice recognition, DNA use and IT digital forensics including decryption and the retrieval of deleted files.

    Maya Foa, who campaigns against the death penalty for Reprieve, warned that mobile phone analysis has, in the past, been used in Saudi Arabia to prosecute protesters, who can then face execution.

    But the England and Wales’ College of Policing argues that through police training, they might improve human rights in Saudi Arabia. [no don’t laugh]

    The details appear in a form submitted earlier this year to the International Police Assistance Board (IPAB), which vets plans to provide police assistance overseas according to “British values and interests”.
    ………………………………………………………………………………

    British values and interests?

    What are these I wonder?

  • Doug Scorgie

    Habbabkuk (Are you a person of interest?)
    June 7, 2016 at 14:28

    “It took me some time to track down the bad smell but I got there in the end.”
    …………………………………………………………………….

    It is very rare for someone to be aware of their own odour Habbabkuk.
    You really are a rarity.

  • Doug Scorgie

    Jim
    June 6, 2016 at 21:18

    “Bevin and Davis support the views of people like the estimable ‘Macky’ and his friends, who serially posts links to anti-Semitic sites like the Saker.”
    ……………………………………………………………………..

    Is the saker an anti-Semitic site? I don’t know but I will do some research.

    Your post, however, shows you to be a Zionist (like Habbabkuk) and, in my view, Zionism is a racist ideology against all non-Jews.

    In other words it is based on the idea of Jewish supremacy.

    • Resident Dissident

      “Is the saker an anti-Semitic site? I don’t know but I will do some research.”

      Just do a search for “jew” – you might also wish to look up “polish hyenas” and “Ukrainian just a village dialect” to see that his racism goes wider than just anti-Semitism.

      • Tony_0pmoc

        Resident Dissident,

        I bought the Saker’s book – its massive – not edited at all – still got spelling mistakes and everything..but he is writing from his heart, and admits when he gets things wrong….

        You can actually download it for free…but I prefer a real book – with paper.

        He got a bit paranoid a year or so ago when he was outed…he wanted to remain anonymous and someone tracked him down and posted his photograph…

        He responded by posting a real photo of himself his real name and everything…

        I like people like that…especially if I don’t agree with them, but even more if I largely do..and I can tell his wife and family are beautiful.

        He is Russian Orthodox and he ain’t too keen on Roman Catholics…and he Thinks us British are Rubbish.

        But I’d buy him a pint.

        Nice Bloke.

        He lives in Florida and has gone off on holiday too.

        What are the rest of you doing?

        Tony

      • Resident Dissident

        Just like Tony Opmoc with Algebra I am choosy on who I demonstrate that 2 plus 2 makes 4. Hopefully Doug is rather more capable in this regard.

        • Macky

          LOL ! That you confuse basic arithmeticss with algebra is just another illustration that you really are a ignorant fool that talks out of his backside ! ::D

          Here have a listen to this, you might actually learn something about Russia, as opposed what you think you already know;

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxo6RhNHGQM#t=1019

          • Resident Dissident

            Oh dear

            1. I don’t confuse Algebra with simple arithmetic, if you read closely I compare my choosiness with whom I expiain 2+2= 4 to Tony Opmoc’s fro explaining algebra. That is not the same thing as confusing Algebra with simple arithmetic.

            2. I this context 2+2=4 is not simple arithmetic ( I actually think that you could master that) but an idiom for something that is fairly straightforward logic ( which you clearly cannot master). One thing you need to understand is that “the England” like the Russians make heavy use of idiom – that you don’t get this does rather add to Jim’s case against you to which you are only able to respond with moronic insults.

            3. The simple logic that you cannot understand is as follows:

            – Saker defines racism (on a blog page to which you link)
            – Saker satisfies his own definition of racist on another web page to which you link

            You then add 2+2 together and come up with the conclusion that Saker is a racist.

            This is of course something I have known for a long time so I don’t need to waste my time watching his videos, and he is most definitely not a man I’d buy a pint even if he is Russian Orthodox.

            Of course all this rather stupid deflection on this point avoids you having to say if there is a single aspect of the Putin regime of which you have the moral courage to be critical.

    • giyane

      Come on Monteverdi, you know full well that John McCain was photoshopped into Daesh and Qaida meetings. he wasn’t really there setting up Daesh and Al Qaida in Syria/Iraq. And if you know that, surely you can see that an Israeli politician can be photoshopped to Aleppo.

      He wouldn’t need to travel there in person in order to see for himself the USUKIS plans for the capital of Greater Israel. He could do that on Google Earth fro m the comfort of his own home.

      Anyway, how come the Turkish Cisre Nuh bus from Sulaymaniah in Iraqi Kurdistan to Diyarbakir in Turkish Kurdistan is still running daily, when the BBC World Service reports that Cisre is being shelled daily by Erdogan?

      Obviously it must be a virtual bus or the bombs must be virtual shells. It gets more and more, as Mark Golding explains, like a virtual war or video game.

    • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

      Welcome back, Pulcinella – still obsessing about matters Jewish?

      • Monteverdi

        That’s a ‘ no comment ‘ on my link then ? Unusual for such a self believing erudite poster as yourself ?

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