667 thoughts on “Back to the Fray

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  • mark golding

    A SIS database of proponents of Putin in the UK exists according to senior military sources. We know  NATO’s perceived military encirclement of Russia, from the Baltics to Ukraine and Georgia, and the Western economic sanctions that have contributed to hardships of the Russian people has pushed Vladimir to react with a military build-up or countermeasures to this expansion. This is just cold-war ideology that suits and is driven by the MIC. The quadruplicating of military expenditure by NATO is certain but is indeed dangerous.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/beyond-cold-war-mobilization-war-against-russia/ri14713

    • Roderick Russell

      What with Russian borders the farthest East that they have been in hundreds of years and with President Putin wanting to cooperate with the West, we should be responding in kind and not sabre rattling. Indeed not in Communist times, and seldom in Tsarist times, have we had a Russia that was so wanting to cooperate. I think the “intelligence agency” driven NeoCon agenda is getting desperate, what with the majority of Americans, including many conservatives, clearly not supporting it (including one of their Presidential candidates (Trump) who has been openly critical of the Bush’s and other Neocons) and the sabre rattling may be because they are endeavouring to recover this lost support. And incidentally anybody who thinks that the NeoCon security / intelligence world, at least in Canada and the UK, are decent patriots at heart should read my story.

      • Clark

        Roderick, have you seen Brazil by Terry Gilliam? Probably my favourite film. Maybe that’s what happened to you; a fly fell into the printer while the orders were being printed out…

    • bevin

      And a reminder that the connections between the Cold War and differences between what the Russians called Communism and the Americans called Democracy, were merely coincidental.

      Or, rather, ideological packaging for a geopolitical struggle between the maritime empire and the earth island’s land empire. It’s that struggle which persists, while the ideological mercenaries make feeble attempts to differentiate between capitalism, Chinese style, and capitalism American style.

      Both sides benefit from the dangerous game of brinkmanship which not only distracts the masses but affords states an excuse for keeping us all under surveillance, lest we attempt to organise migrant workers, enforce safety regulations on building sites, draw attention to the imminent collapse of the ecosphere or otherwise act as spies for the Eurasian (or is that East Asian?) dictatorship.

    • lysias

      A SIS database of proponents of Putin in the UK exists according to senior military sources.

      Now that Russia is no longer Communist, what justification can there be for this?

      • fwl

        Information is always of interest, but one has to assess what weight to put on it.

      • lysias

        “Unhealthy elements”, now that’s an example of totalitarian thinking.

        I guess their thinking is contrary to the healthy instincts of the people (gesundes Volksempfinden). Now, who else thought like that?

      • Resident Dissident

        Links to organised crime, theft of state assets, money laundering, extortion, murder of opponents – those sort of things.

        • Loony

          The UK does all of the things you reference, and is provable by reference to public domain evidence.

          There is not much you can do about the crimes of others, but there is plenty that can be done about your own crimes. Surely putting your own house in order ought to be the first order of business.

          • Resident Dissident

            And Sweden proudly occupied the top spot. Though quite how Luxembourg and Belgium came 1st and 2nd for their global contribution to culture is somewhat beyond me.

          • Loony

            …Ah yes Sweden, the most deranged country on earth. That Sweden would come top in anything other than systemic insanity tells you all you need to know about the compilers of this index, whatever it may be.

      • K Crosby

        The enemies of fascism are the enemies of the British state. If they dare to provoke war with Russia, they’ll round up the usual suspects while they’re about it.

    • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

      “A SIS database of proponents of Putin in the UK exists according to senior military sources.”
      ______________________

      Which is as it should be – it is a question of identifying the unhealthy elements in society.

      Ine can only look forward to similar data bases being established for various other unhealthy elements in the UK.

      • Herbie

        The “unhealthy elements in society” are those who suck the lifeblood from the economy, destroy lives and opportunity, and their friends who prowl the planet killing cultures and peoples.

      • Macky

        There’s nothing more “unhealthy” than Trolls, especially Fascistic ones; straight into strait-jackets, and thrown into padded cells is probably the most humane answer of what to do with Trolls.

      • Dave Lawton

        “Which is as it should be – it is a question of identifying the unhealthy elements in society.

        Ine can only look forward to similar data bases being established for various other unhealthy elements in the UK.”

        Like yourself.

        • Macky

          More like Troll of the last few years as Troll Friendly Posters keep feeding & treating this Clown as if he was a regular normal Poster.

    • lysias

      French PM Valls attended the Bilderberger meeting in 2008. One does wonder whether the unpopular policies of the French government were dictated by the globalist plutocrats.

      • Shatnersrug

        They’ll be enacting the policies of the IMF – end public spending privatise public services cut welfare. However the French are in now at up for such stupidity – it’s interesting that after instructing hollande to enact these policies and the resulting reaction of the French public that now after 40 year of causing nothing short of havoc throughout the entire world the IMF see it fit to release a study entitled

        “Neoliberalism: Oversold?”

        http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/01/after-empowering-the-1-and-impoverishing-millions-imf-admits-neoliberalism-a-failure/

        Of course Neoliberalism was only ever a smokescreen designed to reinstate a neofudalist system.

        Milton Friedman was merely the front man for this charade picked for his ability to argue aggressively rather than any economic understanding. His policies were considered quite bizzare to economists of the era, who have been proved pretty much correct.

        • Shatnersrug

          This should read

          “However the French are in no way up for such stupidity”

  • Trowbridge H. Ford aka The Biscuit

    Think the membership of the next Bilderberg Group meeting will include NATO’s Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow, American Defense Secretary Ash Carter, former British PM Tony Blair, former CIA Director David Petraeus, current British PM David Cameron, and some current Anglo-American spooks.

    It will orchestrate more of the Mediterranean Dialogue for the Israelis, and at Russia’s expense.

    • Shatnersrug

      Surely Petraeus won’t be there, he’s considered utterly disgraced, and mid way through a damaging court case.

    • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

      Well, I wasn’t wondering. That is because Craig has a life beyond this blog. Indeed, I would venture to guess that he finds several other aspects of his life rather more important than writing here. Given the quality and tone of most of the “comments”, who could possibly blame him?

      ********************

      Which leads me to repeat my suggestion that Craig should think seriously about getting rid of the comments sections. Personally I usually find what he says interesting – while not agreeing with some of it – but I can’t say the same of the output of the Eminences and their hangers-on, who appear less interested in intelligent discussion than in banging their own drum and showing off to each other.

      • RobG

        Habba, here’s a wall, and here’s a firing squad.

        If you vermin believe that you can quell free speech you’ve got another think coming.

      • RobG

        Habba said: “but I can’t say the same of the output of the Eminences and their hangers-on, who appear less interested in intelligent discussion than in banging their own drum and showing off to each other.”

        Straight out of the Soviet play book.

        If vermin like you achieve power you’ll be carting off dissenters to lunatic asylums, exactly as they did in the old USSR.

        We are not far from that, folks.

          • lysias

            They don’t yet have such absolute power that they can drag dissenters off to lunatic asylums. All in good time.

      • Macky

        Shame for us all that the sado known as Habba-Clown has very little life beyond trolling this Blog, day in, day out, nothing but continuous garbage.

        • lysias

          All the while complaining about how other people spend time commenting here.

        • Resident Dissident

          A criticism that could of course never be levelled at the writer.

      • Dave Price (requests more stew in the lion's den)

        Habbakuk said: “Well, I wasn’t wondering. That is because Craig has a life beyond this blog. Indeed, I would venture to guess that he finds several other aspects of his life rather more important than writing here. Given the quality and tone of most of the “comments”, who could possibly blame him?”.

        I would venture to guess that he wasn’t wondering if you were wondering. I would venture to guess that he finds all other aspects of his life rather more important than reading your comments. I would venture to guess that, since he has kept the comments section open, he doesn’t give a fig what you think about the ‘quality and tone’ of the comments.

        Habbakuk said: “Which leads me to repeat my suggestion that Craig should think seriously about getting rid of the comments sections”.

        So why are you making this comment in the comment section? Email him privately. Unless of course you’re just clowning around in front of us.

  • Anon1

    Good stuff, Craig.

    Three weeks to go and your mates in the CBI, IMF and the City could use some extra support for the Remain campaign.

      • Ba'al Zevul

        I did have to laugh at that, dammit. Though given the array of comedy Atlanticists for Brexit, it was rather unfair. Craig’s between a rock and a hard place. He needs to promote a Brexit victory, UK wide, to create the basis for a second Scottish referendum. And the probable Scottish majority in favour of Remain sin’t going to make that any easier. Opting for a dignified silence is probably the wisest course.

        • Anon1

          What basis? The Scotch voted to remain part of the UK and this is a UK referendum.

          In any case don’t you think it a little dishonest of Craig if that is his thinking?

          • Ba'al Zevul

            Are you naif, or faux-naif, Anon? Enquiring minds want to know. Still, I’m not too bothered. We are invited to believe the claims of Cameron, Osborne, Blair and Mandelson versus those of Liam Fox, Gove, Johnson and Farrage. All noted for their transparent honesty and complete absence of guile. This is politics. Welcome to the real world.

          • fred

            Anon1 uses the word “Scotch” because it always gets a response.

            He pulls the strings and the puppets dance.

  • bjsalba

    All of us need time away now and again, Craig. It is in the nature of the beast.

  • CanSpeccy

    While we’re waiting, here’s an interesting comment that appeared in the Spectator, and which was understandably deleted, as it will be here perhaps:

    If you occupied what was considered the ideological / moral centre ground in 1965, and went to sleep for 50 years and woke up in 2015 you’d find yourself occupying the ideological /moral ‘far right’. You didn’t have to budge one inch ideologically to find yourself there. The whizzing sound you heard was the ideological / cultural centre ground zooming over to the Cultural Marxist hard left.

    Everything that was considered mainstream, obvious, common sense, logical and moral in 1965 is now considered by our political, academic and media elite to be bigoted, ignorant, hateful, xenophobic, racist, extremist and some form of moral abnormality.

    In other words, within the space of 50 years, morality, right, wrong, evil, good, normal, obvious, extreme, sanity, truth, beneficial, dangerous and the instinct for group preservation, has been inverted and stood upside down on its head.

    Never before in the entire course of human history has an entire culture, race and civilisation decided to hand over its lands, social capital, heritage and identities to competing and intruding alien cultures without a fight, and even worse, to evolve an ideology that morally justifies and glorifies it as proof of their moral supremacy.

    European man is in a civilisational death dance.’

    As the Irish Savant writes:

    This brilliant exposition of the West’s predicament appears as a comment by reader Dan O’Connor in The Spectator. Or at least it did. It’s since been consigned to the ether. Read More

    • Herbie

      “In other words, within the space of 50 years, morality, right, wrong, evil, good, normal, obvious, extreme, sanity, truth, beneficial, dangerous and the instinct for group preservation, has been inverted and stood upside down on its head.”

      Doesn’t say anything about how all this came to be or why.

      I mean, is it a purposeful thing or just like natural entropy that just happens kinda thing and then what’s the point getting all wound up about it?

      Were it purposeful, then at least there’s something to look at and maybe do something about.

      • CanSpeccy

        is it a purposeful thing or just like natural entropy that just happens kinda thing

        The liberals would like you to believe that it is the result of a gradual process of public enlightenment. But given that the process ends in death of the West and the occupation of Europe by adherents of a mediaeval theocracy, it looks like either: (1) proof that liberalism is a contagious mental disease, which if allowed to spread unimpeded will destroy any civilization it infects, or (2) that the spread of liberal ideas and the destruction of the Western nations is a calculated policy of national genocide imposed by Western elites.

        But if the latter assumption is correct, what is the underlying reason for such a policy? The answer is globalization. The Money Power has always wanted total freedom to move:

        goods to where prices are highest;
        production facilities where wages, working conditions and environmental regulation is lowest;
        capital where it can be invested most profitably; and
        profits where they are taxed least, and preferably, not at all.

        All of these objectives are foiled by a genuinely democratic sovereign nation state that makes serving the interests of its own citizens its chief, if not sole, function. Hence the need to destroy the nation state, the process to begin with the most powerful states. Hence the psychological warfare and the substitution of political correctness for Christianity in the West.

        The results are now in evidence. The European people are being genocided by their own governments, their fertility deliberately repressed by state funded abortion, no-fault divorce and above-all compulsory K through university sex “education”. Europeans are to be replaced by people without silly ideas about the rights of man, free speech, the rule of law and any other such obstructive crap. In future, the inhabitants of the European nations will either serve the corporate interest or cease to exist altogether.

        • Roderick Russell

          There is no point castigating “liberal democracy” as the root cause of all our ills because we haven’t tried it recently.

          Liberal democracy is about the rule of law and equal treatment for all citizens. It is also about free markets. We have a system where power elites override the rule of law at will, and in the City (the business sector that power elites are most interested in) have substituted crony capitalism and continuous government favours for free market capitalism which is an entirely different thing. Consider this: (1) the protection of establishment pedophiles from justice. It is not that there are pedophiles about, but that the State (through its security services) has tried to protect some of the more establishment ones from justice. One can’t get worse than this – there are numerous other examples of where the rule of law is not fairly applied, and I write this as someone who has been denied that most basic of all human rights – the rule of law; (2) the bank bailouts and the numerous illegal cartels to fix prices (LIBOR, FOREX etc.) that we have seen. It is just not normal free market capitalism where the City can underestimate risk on the basis that government will pick up the tab for any losses anyway ……. (3) The list just goes on and on and proves only one thing: Even though we pretend we do, WE DON’T HAVE A LIBERAL DEMOCRACY.

          Canspeccy, the problem is not that we have a liberal democracy that isn’t working well for us, but that we don’t have a liberal democracy – Let’s stop blaming liberal democracy for all our ills when the real problem is that we don’t have one.

    • K Crosby

      Odd when if you stayed awake you’d have seen the revival of fascism as the great War and Big Two generations’ voting power declined. Harold Wilson announced the overthrow of the Liarbour grass roots when he said that Liarbour should become the natural partei of government. That led to Thatchlerism in 1976, the throwing of the 1983 and 1987 elections and the Tory governments of 1997-2010.

    • Mark Golding

      Chilcot cannot betray a nasty Anthony Charles Lynton Blair because the legality of the Iraq war is outside the mandate. Clearly without a second resolution, the British case did not have the legal basis for going to war. The false dossier and the failure to plan properly for occupation strengthens and consolidates the legal violation. Our children will dispose of Blair.

      • Herbie

        It’s post-Law, in the human sense most people understand it.

        It’s all Contract law now.

        Sykes/Picot was a contract. Those who originally drew up that contract have let it lapse and now the contract is void and another drawn up.

        The leaders and peeps under the old contract lose whatever protections they had under that contract and are vulnerable to whatever re-arrangement new contractees arrange amongst themselves.

        It’s a bit like the Redundancy process in some of our more forward looking financial enterprises.

        Only be born in the middle of a thousand year contract, would be my advice. Not the beginning. Not the end. Try for as close to the middle as possible.

        The crumbs are better then.

        But.

        What if all the old geopolitical contracts are now null and void.

        Bit of a scramble, eh.

  • Chris

    Come on Craig.

    The thinking world needs your input. I was listening to Kuennsberg slag off corbyn again this morning and thinking, we isn’t there another petition to get her sacked for Bias.

    We can’t let this be dropped because of the nonsense of the self congratulatory mass media. We need change.

  • Chris

    We need everyone to vote Brexit – just to demonstrate the dishonesty of the politico classes.

    There is no way Britain will never be allowed to leave.

    The dutch voted no, and so they changed the title so their vote didn’t count.
    The irish voted no twice and were forced to vote again.
    The greeks voted no to the bailout and the next day their govt were forced to accept it.

    There is no democracy,

    We need a big nation to realise it’s been slapped in the face and told to think again.

    Vote Brexit. Vote Democracy.

    • Loony

      Voting to remain in the EU is voting for serfdom – it will be interesting to see the result.

      Even if people vote for the EU/Serfdom they are going to be disappointed as the EU now obviously contains within itself the seeds of its own destruction. The political “leadership” of the EU are determined to bring large scale violence to Europe and in this, if nothing else, they will succeed.

    • nevermind

      aaaarghwretch phuke, wretch again, bring back the Celts waaaahhhhha.

      You never had democracy Chris and you’ll never get it, none of us.

  • nevermind

    what a surprise to plan such brinkmanship and war here in Europe, i,e accept our TTIP or else we fight the next war here in Europe the most lucrative consumer market there is.

    We won’t fight it anywhere near the US, god forbid, Alaska and the Bering sea are far too unimportant for devastation we need to rub out Europe instead.

    One can only hope for MAD.

    • Loony

      There is no shortage of European warmongers, they are just more subtle than their US counterparts.

      Some Europeans are determined to carry on prodding the Russian bear. Others are more interested in importing millions of people into Europe in the fervent hope that a tipping point will be reached and Europe descends into a 21st century form of civil war.

      Yet other Europeans get their fun from their pet project to return Greece to the stone age. They are so enamored with this idea that they already have plans to try the same trick with Italy, Spain and Portugal.

      Sweden meanwhile stands head and shoulders above their fellow Europeans with their own peculiar brand of all encompassing insanity – which ranges from ever more negative interest rates, to evicting native Swedes from social housing so as to accommodate more refugees to a strange post feminist tolerance for sexual assault unless such assault is allegedly committed by Julian Assange. in which case their vengeance knows no bounds..

  • lysias

    And the beat goes on. Independent: Only Jewish candidate for Labour’s ruling NEC blocked after intervention by Jim Murphy: The former MP claimed Momentum, which endorsed Rhea Wolfson, had a problem with antisemitism:

    The only Jewish candidate standing for Labour’s ruling National Executive Committee (NEC) has been blocked from taking part in the internal party election.

    Rhea Wolfson, who is endorsed by Momentum and is supportive of Jeremy Corbyn, was last night denied a required nomination after an intervention by former Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy.

    Ms Wolfson says Mr Murphy had told local members, who are from an area with a large Jewish population, that Momentum had a problem with antisemitism and that she should not be nominated because they had endorsed her.

    Rhea Wolfson is the former president of Oxford University’s Jewish Society.

    • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

      Thanks to our Transatlantic Friend for bringing the “discussion” back to the Jews.

      That’s what I meant, above, by people banging their own drum.

      • Macky

        And thanks to you Clown for bringing trolling to this Thread. You only have one drum,, disruption, so piss-off Troll.

    • lysias

      I can’t win. I can’t even complain about a Jewish candidate for the NEC being denied membership by a discredited Blairite. Even that apparently somehow suggests anti-Semitism, or something that somebody doesn’t like.

      • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

        Why should you “complain” – you do not even live in the UK (allegedly), soi what’s it to you, my Transatlantic Friend?

        Is there nothing in the US (which ios allegedly where you live) for you to “complain” about?

        And is this blog supposed to be a vehicle for “complaining”?

        Sounds like a variant on the banging your own drum I talked about, and very far, in my opinion, from the spirit of whhat I believe Craig wants (or should want) this blog to be about.

  • CIA-Funded PsyOP

    Just FYI Craig, I received this from Global Justice Now:

    This morning Jeremy Corbyn announced that the Labour party will veto the anti-democratic trade deal TTIP* in its current form.

    He promised to stop the adoption of the deal if he is elected prime minister before it is completed.

    This announcement is another big blow to this dangerous trade deal being cooked up in secret between the EU and the US. Now more than ever we need to ramp up the pressure against TTIP.

    The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership poses a serious threat to our democracy. Leaks released by Greenpeace last month confirmed what millions of people across Europe have suspected all along: major risks for the environment, public services and consumer safety.

    The deal will also give big business the right to sue the British government over laws that might damage corporate profits in special corporate courts not open to ordinary people.

    Opposition against TTIP is growing

    Last month TTIP made parliamentary history when the Government was forced to amend the Queen’s Speech for the first time in nearly 100 years. Tory rebels teamed up with Labour and SNP MPs to demand that a bill be brought forward excluding the NHS from TTIP. The government was forced to accept the amendment or risk the defeat of the Queen’s Speech.

    Thanks to people like you taking action across Europe, TTIP is now in trouble. But negotiators are desperately trying to save the deal. Help us keep up the pressure on politicians in all parties until against this toxic deal is stopped.

    S’funny though, I don’t see any Scottish Nationalists taking a line against TTIP.

    • Mark Golding

      Sadly the image of David Christopher Kelly, CMG has been forgotten, abandoned, obliterated…by this gospel according to Saint Tony.

      Clearly his award(call me god) for service in a foreign country, pronounced at her majesty’s pleasure must be guarded and covered; the reputation of the monarch and Grand Master cannot be lost to a mere companion about to spill the beans.

      The motto of the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George is this:

      Auspicium Melioris Ævi (Token of a Better Age) – Better age? How preposterous, how ridiculous, how bloody inane!

      RIP Dr David Kelly – you strength and energy remains absolute and temporal.

  • bevin

    The following are excerpts from the forthcoming publication, “My Life After Mosley: the struggle for fascism” by Habbakkuk.

    ““A SIS database of proponents of Putin in the UK exists according to senior military sources.”
    ______________________

    “Which is as it should be – it is a question of identifying the unhealthy elements in society.

    “One can only look forward to similar data bases being established for various other unhealthy elements in the UK.”

    “…Which leads me to repeat my suggestion that Craig should think seriously about getting rid of the comments sections. Personally I usually find what he says interesting – while not agreeing with some of it – but I can’t say the same of the output of the Eminences and their hangers-on, who appear less interested in intelligent discussion than in banging their own drum and showing off to each other.”

    It’s not just Israel that is rapidly turning towards fascism, its hasbara volunteers can’t wait to get those camps built-for the “unhealthy elements.”

    • CIA-Funded PsyOP

      “The following are excerpts from the forthcoming publication, “My Life After Mosley: the struggle for fascism” by Habbakkuk.”

      Hahahah! He’s gonna cackle when he gets back from he half-term break. ROFL

      But you’re right, Craig should censor some of the comments, especially from certain Yanks who drone on and on without saying anything worth hearing,

    • K Crosby

      He’s playing the Running Blind game, the answer to which is Dr Dade (don’t reply, don’t argue, don’t engage).

  • AAMVN

    “Vauntie cybernat” in the blog banner always makes me think of Adam Ant’s “Dandy Highwayman” lyric. Anyone else getting 80s flashbacks?

  • Clark

    Craig (if you’re still reading), personally I’ve been avoiding the fray recently, and you’re welcome to do the same for as long as you like – it’s just nice to hear from you occasionally. No need for any political commentary, it’s obvious that the entire political class have taken leave of their senses for the duration. Chill.

  • Jay

    Isn’t the reignited cold war simply MIC theatre (costly, life destroying theatre to be sure) with the purpose of ordering up the next generation of expensive and impractical weapons.

    New cold war, just say no.

    • Beth

      Comments are brilliant. Hopefully, these moderate terrorist supporters will realise that they are fooling no one except other fools.

  • Eric

    Has Craig eloped with Nigel Farage? Are they honeymooning in a secret location? Watch this space.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    Habbabkuk (la vita è bella),

    Here is an article for you as it concerns your second main area of interest. We all understand what your first is – which is being permanently plugged into this blog – and occasionally writing something mildly amusing. I think I have even agreed with you twice.

    This article does go on a bit, and you may not be able to understand all of it. It does however draw some interesting conclusions re current accusations and events. I agree with the conclusions – not sure about all of the rest of it – but I am not going to argue with a Professor about something I have little interest in. I will leave that to you. By all means contact him and call him an anti-semite if that is how you feel.

    “The Three Historical Stages of Anti-Semitism” By Steven Jonas

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Three-Historical-Stage-by-Steven-Jonas-Anti-semitism_Arab_Israel_Palestinian-160602-293.html

    Tony

    • Macky

      Agreeing with the Habbu-Clown even twice after years of non-stop garbage, hardly warrants feeding the Troll . Expecting honest & constructive responses is even more surreal & bizarre.

      • Tony_0pmoc

        Macky, I do apologise. I think he kind of suggested I was somewhat drunk at the time. I’m afraid I had to agree with him. It probably made him feel quite superior for a moment or two.

        • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

          Very nice reverse ferret there, Opmoc.

          Does Macky love you again now? 🙂

      • Kate

        I heard that Habbu actually stands outside with a board saying la vita è bella and talking in a phony Italian accent.

      • lysias

        It’s the name of an Italian movie about the Holocaust. Just another manifestation of his obsession, which he thinks serves to justify Israel’s crimes.

    • K Crosby

      The “Protocols” are not a forgey, for that there would have to be genuine ones, they are a fabrication.

      • Tony_0pmoc

        K Crosby,

        Well some bugger wrote them..and it was hardly likely to be an atheist – as almost everyone believed in some religious nonsense at the time.

        i just wish people would give it up and prosecute the real evil bastards like Anthony Charles Lynton Blair.

        i really do not give a shiit what nonsense they believe in

        it certainly isn’t God, nor Love – and they are not nice.

        I was going to read “Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes” by Andrew M. Lobaczewski – but I think it would make me throw up….as would meeting Tony Blair – except in a Court of Law with him on Trial for War Crimes Against humanity – with My Ex’s kids leading The Prosecution.

        Tony

        • K Crosby

          A fabrication is an invention, a forgery is a fake of an original genuine document, like a dud tenner. If the “Protocols” were forged, there would have had to be a genuine original.

    • Alan

      ‘Are MPs really this stupidly gullible to have expected otherwise ?’

      Each and every one of them just wants to maintain the status quo. You think they serve the people? No! Each and every one of them swears allegiance to the monarch and the security services were originated to serve the monarchy with Elizabeth I, John Dee, Francis Walsingham, et al.

      Next you’ll be saying that we live in a democracy.

      • Macky

        It’s just they really act like they believe their fake self-righteous indignation; no you will not see me saying that, what do you think I am, a pro-Establishment Apologist Troll ?! 😀

  • Trowbridge H. Ford aka The Biscuit

    Since the Bilderbergers are meeting in Dresden this year, unprecedented as far as I know, does it auger Europe’s more focused, less hostile approach towards Russia for fear that Washington is too committed to a war with Moscow which could lead to armageddon?

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    My reference to the healthy (and unhealthy) elements in society appears to have given rise to some indignation; some would even say consternation.

    But think about it for a moment: is it not the case that those who would defend the positions and interests of Putin through thick and thin, perhaps especially when they are inimical to the interests of the free, liberal democratic states, are unhealthy elements in the Western societies we live in?

    And the same goes for those who support other enemies of the West or dream of the overthrow of our societies?

    One has, of course, to distinguish between the free expression on views and what often appears to be a desire to undermine the state.

    That is why it seems perfectly legitimate for the state to create data bases of such unhealthy and potentially dangerous individuals.

    The state would indeed be failing in its duty to the healthy elements in society – which clearly constitute the overwhelming majority of the population – if it were not to do so.

    • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

      Furthermore : the unhealthy elements are very well aware of their condition (and it is a condition).

      That is why I am convinced (I have said it before) that most of the unhealthy elements on here keep pretty damn quiet about their views in their ordinary, real (as opposed to virtual) lives.

      Who will deny this truth?

        • Republicofscotland

          Trowbridge H.Ford.

          Oh, Trowbridge I’d be most disappointed, if you were to change, the manner of your posts. I find your comments, stuff, of boys own adventures. ?

      • Republicofscotland

        Habb.

        Speaking of keeping “damn quiet” on “real lives” as you put it, you have been a habitual user of Craig’s excellent blog, far longer than I have.

        Yet we, the posters know nothing about your “real life” as you so quaintly put it.

        It only seems fair, that since you brought the matter up, that you give us a insight to your “real life” I await with bated breath, the aspects of your fascinating life.

        Thanks in advance for being so candid.

        • lysias

          I guess that must mean he’s an unhealthy element.

          Once his group comes to full power, he’s likely to be purged pretty fast.

        • lysias

          Overwhelming majority? I guess that reinforces the gesundes Volksempfinden idea.

          Funny how there’s such resistance to the political establishment in the current presidential campaign, and in politics of so many Western countries these days.

      • Republicofscotland

        Oh Dear, it would appear Habb, has decided to remain reticent, with aspects of his “real life” as he put it, pity, I was so looking forward to a snapshot of Habbs, shall we say classified lifes style.

        However Habb appears to have no such qualms, airing his thoughts on recalcitrant posters, on Craig’s very informative blog.

    • Republicofscotland

      Habb.

      I agree, that some can defend Putin, shall we say beyond, reason, I would however suggest that one or two of our regular posters, may do so as a counter weight to your staunch defending of certain aspect of Israel and the West in general.

      You do defend Israel in a vigorous manner, and to be honest, Ive never once, read one of your comments denouncing any unpalatable actions carried out by Israel.

      As for the West it’s not above reproach on matters of illegal wars and regime changes. However I totally agree that the West is a far more democratic region of the world than, Putin’s Russia.

      I also think that lions will lie down with lambs, before you denounce one single Israeli action . ?

    • Loony

      You are deluded.

      What free, liberal and democratic states are you referring to? Surely not the US/EU – all states that have fallen victim to a neo-liberal coup.

      The enemies of the west are truth and reason. Are you seriously on the side of lies and irrationality?

      The state (assuming you are referring to the US/EU ( has manifestly failed in its principal duties, and has been hollowed out and captured by the forces of mammon and nihilism.

      There are very few healthy elements in society. Those that exist are subject to both oppression and censorship. Such tactics have been tried in many other places and at many other times. The die is now cast – only absolute disaster lies ahead. The only unknown is the exact trigger for the forthcoming disaster.

      • lysias

        Germans under N*** rule had trouble coming to the conclusion that they were now ruled by the antithesis of civilization. They thought the Bolsheviks they opposed were that antithesis and that, even if their government did things they didn’t like, it was civilized and restrained in comparison.

        Same thing with the West now. People still think we’re democracies.

    • Mark Golding

      Elements are in fact principles, they are views of the fundamental, of truth and foundations of rule. That is indeed not dangerous and certainly not unhealthy within an establishment that is prepared to lie, produce evasive and shifty dossiers as a prelude for war and destruction and further to torture either by proxy or directly and deny.

      We are not free, our lives are restricted by social order where the elite, the exclusive and the privileged command acquiescence so that they retain power, maintain the status quo; a philosophy flawed by greed and self-indulgence. The exclusive direct their minions, the politicians, to write law as statute, legislation, charter and ruling so that the majority are partitioned, defenseless, passive and ineffective.

      Intelligence services not only gather knowledge as Bulk Data Sets (BDS) on dissidents, they manipulate the receptive to bring about game plans, subterfuge, and cover-up while their secret police or CIU deny, disrupt, degrade and deceive with little or no over-sight, minimal safeguards and secret deliberation.

      https://privacyinternational.org/sites/default/files/5.%20Closed%20Response%20to%20Request%20for%20further%20information%20.PDF

      This is not democracy, this is oppression, this is prostitution…

  • Rhisiart Gwilym

    DR.DADE, as I formulated it originally on the Medialens Message Board (of hallowed memory!), acronymed: ‘Don’t Read. Don’t Answer. Don’t Engage. I do it meticulously in the comments on Craig’s blog with Hab and Can. Haven’t read either of them for a long time. Once a troll has shown his/her colours, it’s effortless to mark them down for dading, and to skip over their input without absorbing any of it. Saves a lot of aggro and pointless slagging stichomythia, and concentrates your attention on the worthwhile meaty stuff in the comments.

    The corpohack lamestream mediawhores drench us constantly with the PBB (Permanent Bullshit Blizzard), even managing to splash those of us who don’t follow them, unless you live the life of a complete hermit (their shit gets everywhere, by a sort of malign osmosis); no need to volunteer to be splattered with more of the stuff, coming from identified trolls: Just take DR.DADE’s medicinal compound! Salutary!

    • Macky

      If certain Posters had refrain from treating obvious Trolls as normal commentators, then this Blog would not have been so badly & for so long, afflicted with such a viciously vile & disruptive trolls such as the Habba-Clown & his associated ilk. It seems a handful of Posters think they did either reason or get the better of a Troll by playing by the rules of an honest & rational debate, and I also suspect some of these same Posters rather like the sound of their own voices to; Trolls need either to be ignored or to treated with utmost contempt.

      DR DADE is of course the best policy but it only works if it’s not sabotaged by these Troll-Friendly Posters.

      • Macky

        Annoying Typo; “It seems a handful of Posters think they CAN either reason…”

    • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

      Aren’t you the obsessive who posts several times a day, every day, on the Lifeboat “blog”?

      God forbid that you should think of doing the same in here.

        • Resident Dissident

          Perhaps your mother should have washed your mouth out with soap.

          • Macky

            Perhaps your mother dropped you on your head as a child; would explain rather a lot.

        • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

          Macky

          If you’d care to go to the blog now frequented by the unlamented M**y you will see that “Rhisiart Gwilym” is a very regular poster there.

          Don’t take my word for it, just pop in there yourself.

          And having done that, come back on here and apologise. 🙂

          • Macky

            Blame this chaotic new replying system, your comment seems addressed to me; anyhow my comment about you couldn’t be truer as you are a proven repeat lying troll.

    • lysias

      I see you have just failed to respond to an attack from one of the trolls (I was going to say “refused to respond”, but that would not be appropriate wording, if, as you say, you don’t even read them). Good for you! He said nothing worth reading.

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