UK Rejects International Court of Justice Opinion on the Chagos Islands 884

In parliament, Alan Duncan for the government has just rejected yesterday’s stunning result at the International Court of Justice, where British occupation of the Chagos Islands was found unlawful by a majority of 13 to 1, with all the judges from EU countries amongst those finding against the UK.

This represents a serious escalation in the UK’s rejection of multilateralism and international law and a move towards joining the US model of exceptionalism, standing outside the rule of international law. As such, it is arguably the most significant foreign policy development for generations. In the Iraq war, while Britain launched war without UN Security Council authority, it did so on a tenuous argument that it had Security Council authority from earlier resolutions. The UK was therefore not outright rejecting the international system. On Chagos it is now simply denying the authority of the International Court of Justice; this is utterly unprecedented.

Duncan put forward two arguments. Firstly that the ICJ opinion was “only” advisory to the General Assembly. Secondly, he argued that the ICJ had no jurisdiction as the case was a bilateral dispute with Mauritius (and thus could only go before the ICJ with UK consent, which is not given).

But here Duncan is – against all British precedent and past policy – defying a ruling of the ICJ. The British government argued strenuously in the present case against ICJ jurisdiction, on just the grounds Duncan cited. The ICJ considered the UK’s arguments, together with arguments from 32 other states and from the African Union. The ICJ ruled that it did have jurisdiction, because this was not a bilateral dispute but part of the UN ordained process of decolonisation.

The International Court of Justice’s ruling on this point is given at length in paras 83 to 91 of its Opinion. This is perhaps the key section:

88. The Court therefore concludes that the opinion has been requested on the matter of decolonization which is of particular concern to the United Nations. The issues raised by the request are located in the broader frame of reference of decolonization, including the General Assembly’s role therein, from which those issues are inseparable (Western Sahara, Advisory Opinion, I.C.J. Reports 1975, p. 26, para. 38; Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, Advisory Opinion, I.C.J. Reports 2004 (I), p. 159, para. 50).
89. Moreover, the Court observes that there may be differences of views on legal questions in advisory proceedings (Legal Consequences for States of the Continued Presence of South Africa in Namibia (South West Africa) notwithstanding Security Council Resolution 276 (1970), Advisory Opinion, I.C.J. Reports 1971, p. 24, para. 34). However, the fact that the Court may have to pronounce on legal issues on which divergent views have been expressed by Mauritius and the United Kingdom does not mean that, by replying to the request, the Court is dealing with a bilateral dispute.
90. In these circumstances, the Court does not consider that to give the opinion requested would have the effect of circumventing the principle of consent by a State to the judicial settlement of its dispute with another State. The Court therefore cannot, in the exercise of its discretion, decline to give the opinion on that ground.
91. In light of the foregoing, the Court concludes that there are no compelling reasons for it to decline to give the opinion requested by the General Assembly.

As stated at para 183, that the court did have jurisdiction was agreed unanimously, with even the US judge (the sole dissenter on the main question) in accord. For the British government to reject the ICJ’s unanimous ruling on jurisdiction, and quote that in parliament as the reason for not following the ICJ Opinion, is an astonishing abrogation of international law by the UK. It really is unprecedented. The repudiation of the UN Working Group on Arbitrary Detention over Julian Assange pointed the direction the UK is drifting, but that body does not have the prestige of the International Court of Justice.

The International Court of Justice represents the absolute pinnacle of, and embodies the principle of, international law. In 176 decisions, such as Nigeria vs Cameroon or Malaysia vs Indonesia, potentially disastrous conflicts have been averted by the states’ agreement to abide by the rule of law. The UK’s current attack on the ICJ is a truly disastrous new development.

I have taken it for granted that you know that the reason the UK refuses to decolonise the Chagos Islands is to provide an airbase for the US military on Diego Garcia. If Brexit goes ahead, the Chagos Islands will also lead to a major foreign policy disagreement between the UK and US on one side, and the EU on the other. The EU will be truly shocked by British repudiation of the ICJ.

I have studied the entire and lengthy ICJ Opinion on the Chagos Islands, together with its associated papers, and I will write further on this shortly.


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884 thoughts on “UK Rejects International Court of Justice Opinion on the Chagos Islands

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  • mike

    The French Revolution redux continues.

    Thought I’d tell you that in case you’ve no idea what social media are.

    • N_

      “Social media” – they’re that mostly CIA-created medium for people to think they’re free on as they’re ever more under control, right, as they go schizoid – kind of like a key in the back with “freedom” written on it? So you can “follow” the news. Big deal. How are you at differentiating between fact (stuff is happening in France) and opinion (it’s a second French revolution)? And anyway, aren’t you missing out some revolutions in France between the one that began in 1789 and what you think is the ongoing one? Did it ask you that on your “smart”phone?

        • David

          In-q-tel also developed , with SAIC , NetEraser to allow US spooky agents to communicate secretly, fine. but they then, with patent-troll Virnet-x continue to attack other companies attempts to use VPN style communications – such as in these ongoing court cases against Apple, MS, Intel etc

          I think they In-q-tel may have co-funded the Google “tomorrow” project, as in “we know what you will do tomorrow” project, thats quite an old use of big-data, narrowly focussed, nowadays.

          Were they also connected to the Googe/State-department staff reciprocal diffusion, or was that normal fascism?

      • Sharp Ears

        They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45 (Phoenix …

        Paperback – 19 May 1966. by Milton Mayer (Author) … “Among the many books written on Germany after the collapse of Hitler’s Thousand Year Reich, this book by Milton Mayer is one of the most readable and most enlightening.’

        ‘Milton Mayer did most of his research by living in such a small German town in 1952, where he made friends, whose stories he told. For some, but certainly not all, it was clear that, sure, things had gone unacceptably out of hand. But then, “[H]ow easy it was, then, not to think about fundamental things. One had no time.” There always was a new crisis, a new success, a new reform. It was “the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise, to receive decisions deliberated in secret … And all these crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath . . .” (pp. 166-67)

  • Sharp Ears

    Craig Murray Retweeted
    VFP UK @vfpuk
    Mar 2
    #Veteran and @vfpuk member Michael ‘Spike’ Pike will be speaking at ‘The State’ in Belfast on Tue 19 March. Other speakers include @CraigMurrayOrg
    Patrick Henningsen from @21WIRE
    and ex Brit Ambassador to Syria Peter Ford.

    Imperialism on Trial Presents ‘The State’
    Two former UK Ambassadors, a former British soldier, an Irish Republican, and a Former CIA Analyst present their analysis of the State

    • Mary Paul

      As a long term observer of the Met Police, I have long seen it to be the case that for any major investigation, they create their own narrative and then assemble some facts which may fit or may contradict the narrative, and unashamedly put these, however uncredible, into the public domain. Credibility or lack of it does not seem to worry them when they are confident the case will never come to court. The Skripals is just one such exercise. Some years ago another blatantly untrue public narrative drew my attention and I wrote to them to register a formal complaint, pointing out why the facts released were clearly untrue. (I had in fact watched live tv coverage on the day, coverage which was later omitted or lied about in the official version of events.) I received a reply which said only direct relatives of the people in a Met police incident, could complain. No one else.

      • King of Welsh Noir

        Yes, I’m sure, but in this case the police are in an unenviable position: they have to fit their investigation around the absurd official narrative promulgated by the Government. They obviously know the story is nonsense, but they have to pretend that it isn’t.

      • Roderick Russell

        Re Mary Paul – Comment on Met Police

        Very interesting comment. I have found exactly the same state of affairs, and almost to a tee, though my experience predominately relates to lies from the security services. As you write “Credibility or lack of it does not seem to worry them when they are confident the case will never come to court”. It is a sad reflection on any society when those who are largely responsible for upholding the rule of law seem to treat the law with contempt, and that those whom one should look up to for their honesty, are anything but honest.

        • Deb O'Nair

          From my own personal experience of the Met I can say that they are a dysfunctional organisation with a major problem of institutionalised corruption. My personal experience has shown me that they are a bunch of liars with all the moral ethics of the criminals they claim to protect society from. But what can you expect when a proven liar like Ian Blair gets made a Lord and his criminally negligent subordinate takes his old job?

    • John Goss

      Good article. Somebody has put a link in one of the comments to a Guardian article talking some nonsense about unusual activity at the Russian Embassy on the day of the poisonings. Yawn. Naturally the SIS agent Luke Harding has given it a good tweet. Bringing the whole farce back into the realms of reality is a tweet in response from Glenn Greenwald to an earlier Guardian article.

    • giyane


      Sorry , is May’s bribe to apologise for not delivering brexit or for delivering brexit?
      If I was an MP I’d be asking for the courtesy of communication and consultation rather than cash.

      It’s like the bent solicitor turning up to my mum’s funeral and handing my sisters a Brown envelope each with £20 inside. I think this proves the PM is clinically insane.

      • Jo1

        The bribe is in exchange for those MPs’ votes. Most will be happy to accept. There are a significant number of Labour’s MPs in Leave constituencies. Labour’s pro-Remain MPs don’t care, they’re not giving their MP colleagues too much grief. They’re happy to run with blaming Corbyn for Brexit.

  • Mary Paul

    Do we know the extent of terrorist training groups operating out of Pakistan occupied Kashmir?

        • giyane

          India tortures Muslim Kashmiris in unspeable ways . Modi like May is well out of his depth. Let’s hope they get ubseated for utter incompetence.

    • Dungroanin

      Mary, It is an interesting question. So I’ve gone to the best source I know, on ‘Brown Pundits’.

      Which posits :
      ‘JEM is led by a Pakistani cleric named Masood Azhar who had been captured by Indian security forces in the 90s in Indian Kashmir, but was released in exchange for the hostages on board an Indian airlines aircraft in December 1999. After his release he went to Pakistan and set up his Jihadist terrorist organization and has operated openly in the country ever since.’

      As to wtf is actually going on there – they have analysed it with a set of long term outcomes – the good the bad and the downright nuclear option.

      It is a full and expert discourse on the current situation, with facts not given in msm, such as:

      ‘Pakistan has just defeated the US in Afghanistan. Its Islamist proxies have powerful nuisance value and the ruling elite sells themselves to various powers as managers of this threat. They are not exactly in the mood to change this too completely’

      Quite enlightening for these interested in goings on in the Sub Continent.

      • Jo1

        Worth remembering too that Pakistan’s access to nuclear had been suspended. It was restored by GW Bush in exchange for access to Pakistani airspace and a route into Afghanistan.

    • Andyoldlabour

      Mary Paul

      In 2016, India killed the leader of Hizbul Mujahideen – Burhan Wani. This group has been recruiting members from both Indian Jamma Kashmir and Pakistan controlled Kashmir. There have been numerous suicide attacks against the Indian military, culminating in the latest one on 14th February which killed 40 Indian military.

      • David

        I was touring J&K in the 1980’s, whilst there was a bit of a curfew. My houseboat on Golden Dal Lake grew a bit boring after a few days of pleasant lockdown, so I bribed a local taxi driver to take me up the valleys for tourism.

        We got past the Indian military blockpost leaving Srinagar as I (foolishly, now looking back) crouched down next to the back seat of the Hindustan Ambassador, covered with a blanket.

        Heading up towards Gulmarg, now back in the front passenger seat, I really enjoyed the beauty of Kashmir. I visited local schools, gave an impromptu English lesson, lent the taxi driver some $$ so he could buy sacks of coal from villagers, to be resold in Srinagar. Did they mine the coal by hand?

        On the way back after more adventures on this Chinese/Indian/Pakistan disputed area, we passed a large mosque near to Srinagar, on the main road. Amazingly beautiful muezzin calls, so I asked that we stop and I could do some more of my ‘extreme’ tourism inside the mosque. Quaint.


        My taxi-driver sped-up, “they will kill you Mr. David, that mosque has many bad people inside” so it was back to Dal Lake & the eagles, the nice food, and when the diwali riots subsequently started I bought my first (and so-far last) first-class Air India plane ticket, and got back to choking Delhi, from the valleys of the saffron crocus, really nice people, who knew where some terrorists lived. The plane ticket was only partly to escape from the terrrrists, much worse was my fear of taking the minibus back down to the Jammu rail-head, as , well, after driving UP to Srinagar at night, one never wishes to do that again. As we all know, but are never told, terrorists are increasingly rare in the modern world, even tho’ my AI-747 was the first plane where all checked luggage was personally put into the hold by the verified photo-id’d owner. Indians were very safe and serious about security there, but some situations are almost untenable.

        Didn’t perfidious Albion, Mountbatten maybe, bribe the local prince/khan to go the wrong-way at Partition, deliberately? that’s how it was explained to me.
        Maybe someone fibbed?

  • Dungroanin

    Steve Bell on his Belltoons site takes us back to the future with the formation of SDP1 – 1982!

    Let it be a warning to all tempted by the same old sirens that sold out the hard won post war social democracy and public services to the neocon aristos and gave us the Blair Witch Hunt project currently underway.

    I wish I’d paid more attention to his presience at the time and fought these funny tingers at birth! The evil changelings!

  • Grouse Beater (spoof)

    I hear that the SNP conference will announce the push for a Scottish currency next month.

    Derek MacKay does know he could bring in the new currency RIGHT NOW by legislating for a break from the Bank of England in the same way the Isle of Man did in 1961?

    Gesture politics from the SNP again!

  • Vivian O'Blivion

    The £1.6B bribe to the English Midlands & North will not have Barnett formula type consequentials for Scotland. Neither for that matter did the £1B bribe to the DUP. Fluffy Mundell threatened to stamp his little feet in protest on that occasion before quietly retiring to prepare the tea and biscuits for the Cabinet meeting.

  • Sharp Ears

    Of course she did.

    ‘Theresa May visits Salisbury on anniversary of novichok poisonings
    The prime minister says the anniversary is “an important milestone” as the city “emerges from the shadow cast” by the attack.’

    It gives the MSM hacks another chance to repeat all their junk again. Don’t switch Sky on. Their idiotic Enda Brady is holding forth.

    Have a look at this from Brady’s Twitter. He has retweeted ‘Jim Waterson’ who comments that No 10 used an image from Bath of a church spire rather than the spire of Salisbury Cathedral. He retweets the UK Prime Minister blurb with the image.

    • giyane

      She has become her Belltoon persona just as Thatcher became her spitting image caricature.
      There was an old crooked woman with an old crooked hat. Utterly bonkers old witch reciting speĺls in ancient Babylonian against the new world order of social capitalist Russia and China: novichoke and novidies higgle-piggle Tory rise!

      I’m sitting in a sane country Kurdistan, from where the ridiculous antics of Tory proxy Islamism and fake indignation against the EU looks like chainsaw massacre terror.

      Where is the OFF switch for these totally bonkers Terrorporn Tories?

  • ronan1882

    John Pilger on how Wikileaks informed last week’s ICJ ruling on Chagos.

    In 2009, the British Foreign Office concocted a “marine reserve” around the Chagos archipelago.
    This touching concern for the environment was exposed as a fraud when WikiLeaks published a secret cable from the British Government reassuring the Americans that “the former inhabitants would find it difficult, if not impossible, to pursue their claim for resettlement on the islands if the entire Chagos Archipelago were a marine reserve.”

    The truth of the conspiracy clearly influenced the momentous decision of the International Court of Justice.

    • giyane

      2009 Britain is still under son of the manse butcher Brown. Are there really on other channels to watch than bilderberg bankrupt bungler and Camewrong conservative criminal?

      Who is jamming Jeremy Corbyn? Why does commonsense present such an existential threat to sacredupitself perfidious Albion?

      • michael norton

        I am unsure of J.C.’s position, most of his political life, he was against The Common Market, now he wants a second Referendum.
        If he was against the E.U. he should be getting his wish to quit in less than 30 days.
        So who is the second Referendum for?

        • Northern

          Seems JC is vainly attempting to hold his party together despite all the Blairite traitors in their midst, is this a temporary sop to prevent further defections to The Israeli (sorry, independent) Group? Does seem to be the most direct action he’s taken in a while, albeit an unfortunate one. Prior to Brexit I thought he was one of vanishingly few politicians of integrity in the UK, so his last minute capitulation to the remainers has left me clutching at straws since. 2 decades of being back stabbed by greasy British middle managers come career politicians has left me want to trust the man who represents the biggest chance of change in politics in my lifetime, so what now, a vote for the fascist, racist ‘natural party of government’?

          With the amount of time, energy and money being expended on the AS circus, I wouldn’t be going near any grassy knolls if I were JC any time soon, put it that way.

        • N_

          I am unsure of J.C.’s position, most of his political life, he was against The Common Market, now he wants a second Referendum.

          Are you sure of Theresa May’s position? For most of her political life she was in favour of the single market, and now she’s against it.

          Jeremy Corbyn is fighting a defensive action. Sometimes you’ve got to.

        • giyane

          JC’s position is that he wants Norway plus. A second referendums would give him a platform to argue his case.

          May’s position is the defensive one. Barricading herself into a bunker as the stupidity of using populist racism as proxy troops Tories don’t have backfires on her party big time.

          • Dungroanin

            The same way as anyone else interested in that question. Through study and calculation using rigorous methodology.

            Including sample polls post brexit.

            There are some constituencies that geographically match the local authority areas that were used in the referendum to use as baselines.

            Academic analysis thus gives a fairly good idea within a narrow error margin, to determine how Labour voters in each constituency voted in the referendum.

            Having answered your question, your turn, why did you ask?

            And what does it have to do with JC?

        • nevermind

          Its done por moire, dearest, didn’t get a vote first time round, despite living here for over half of my life.
          So,fingers crossed…..

        • FranzB

          “I am unsure of J.C.’s position, …”

          He seems to be following the mandate set down at the Labour party conference.

          – voted May’s deal down
          – couldn’t get general election – vote of confidence in HOC voted down
          – couldn’t get Labour’s preferred Brexit policy through (customs union + single market) – voted down in HOC
          – next on the list is a third referendum (first was 1975) to put the choice into the hands of the UK electorate

          That will get voted down (if we ever get that far). May will presumably pull the vote again on March 12th.

          • Dungroanin

            May and the Blairites will ensure Mays deal or hard brexit – as ordered and paid for by their bosses.

            The only way to stop it is an election.
            Without which time runs out into hard brexit.
            Without which also, there is no chance of having enough new MPs who would ennact referendum legislation and campaign and vote – which takes 6 months minimum

  • N_

    All will apparently be hunkydory on the Irish border when “new technology” that doesn’t currently exist can be deployed – not at the border, but away from it.

    Meanwhile Bernard Hogan-Howe, former head of the London Metropolitan Police, talks of new technology being deployed that can tell who is carrying a knife. When a person in his position makes that kind of strategic statement, he is certainly promoting a contract.

    Across-the-board surveillance technology rides to the rescue. But all high-tech, mind. Not featuring Gestapo officers at railway stations demanding your “papers”.

    The 1690 crazies in Northern Ireland are going to love it when they look up from counting their grant scam money and realise that the North of Ireland is hosting a pilot scheme under which “no-one can buy or sell unless he has the mark”.

    I am not joking.

    Facebook has taken over friendship and whether or not people “like” something. Google and Apple dominate the ugly machine-interfacing that nowadays passes for “communication” between people. Google has taken over libraries. Amazon has taken over reading – or what passes for reading in a population where few who are aged under 40 know how to do joined-up handwriting. Newspapers are almost dead. Most people carry little television sets that get deep into their minds, and they stare at them and fiddle with them for maybe eight hours a day, willingly subjecting themselves to conditioning techniques (notably Skinner’s variable rewards schedule) conveyed to them by global advertising companies. Many computer programmers are among the stupidest people around, who can’t think except in instrumentalising brandname-mediated terms and who mostly don’t understand when you tell them a smartphone “app” is a terminal program. Most people tell Google every aspect of their business that Google at present is capable of logging.

    Soon trade will be taken over too, probably by Google.

    • David

      “N”, a ubiquitous rollout of targeted terahertz illuminators but mostly THz detectors would, very reliably, be able to detect the knives.

      I did some work on this, publicly available information. I havent seen much deployed yet, I think it might fill the required role.
      (remember a while ago there was a single mobile detector , put near ‘Tube exits, a few times)

      but that’s treating the symptoms of a knife carrying society, someone should tackle the causes, when Theresa has some spare time, maybe. Austerity?

    • Ken Kenn

      Easy solution for the border

      ‘ Trust a ‘

      It’s on telly so it must work.

      Unless I’m being naive?

      ‘ Believe a bandit ‘

      Any takers?

  • Sharp Ears

    Chutzpah from Daniel Janner, QC, defending his father. The charges against him were just tittle tattle like those against Heath and Brittan.

    Lord Janner’s son: Westminster sex abuse inquiry ‘based on tittle tattle’
    Daniel Janner QC told Sky News that the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse is a “trashing of good people”.
    4 March 2019.

    Why now? Public hearings are due to start. Pre-emptive strike.

    • N_

      BBC Radio 4 today said Janner died before he could be tried. They forgot to say that the arrangement was one where this notorious child abuser would only face a “trial of the facts”, meaning basically an utterly peculiar legal mechanism which many lawyers had never heard of before. It would have involved barristers and a judge getting paid for taking part in some courtroom theatre on the understanding that whatever was decided or not decided, the defendant wouldn’t get inconvenienced – not with a jail sentence, not with a fine, not even with an order telling him to stop raping young boys or binding him over to keep the peace.

      Who can name even a single other person who has ever been allowed such an arrangement in English legal history?

      • N_

        Perhaps Janner will soon become a sort of posthumous Soros or Rothschild, against whom any criticism
        is reflexively condemned as “anti-Semitic”?

        Talking of Rothschilds: the “stood in the Stock Exchange looking sombre because he knew the news about Waterloo before anybody else and made use of the information to collapse the prices of shares that his agents then bought up on the cheap” story has been declared BAD.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Craig reminds me of hoe the British government rejects claims it doesn’t like, like ones about American weather modification, like its making a quake off Hokkaido, like what it did earlier off Honshu, to change Japanese policy.

  • Sharp Ears

    Certainly topical. ‘Eurotunnel’ should be interesting.

    House of Commons today.

    Oral questions
    Housing, Communities and Local Government (including Topical Questions)
    Urgent question Knife crime
    Urgent question Probation system
    Urgent question Eurotunnel
    Ministerial statement Stronger Towns Fund
    Ministerial statement Tax avoidance, evasion and compliance
    Motion Draft Social Security Benefits Up-rating Order 2019
    Adjournment Bus services in Greater Manchester

    Javid is still responding on ‘Knife Crime’ at the moment.

    • Dungroanin

      Lol, that was hillarious.
      Mr Speaker tore the Health secretary a new one at the end.
      Like some MP said best episode of Hancocks half hour and in colour!

      I hope that next time Grayling turns up at the despatch box – every MP asks him the same question until he answers it yes or no.

  • Sharp Ears

    Funny money but more of the Russo phobic stuff from the Guardian. Interesting to see the chain though. Would not like to meet ‘the second from left’ man in the photo in the dark but I am sure he’s a very nice man. 🙂

    Banking leak exposes Russian network with link to Prince Charles
    Exclusive: investigation reveals how Troika Dialog channelled $4.6bn to Europe and US
    How prince’s stately home revamp linked him to Russian money
    Q&A: what is the ‘Troika Laundromat’?

    • Ian

      it isn’t ‘Russo-phobic’ to expose the already know money laundering which goes on and which involves oligarchs and fraudsters who have ripped off and defrauded ordinary Russian people, and who are indulged in by Western governments, most particularly the UK. But you have a simplistic black and white pre-ordained view of the world.

      • Sharp Ears

        The Guardian and other organs in the UK MSM are known for their anti-Russian and anti-Putin spiel.

        • Ian

          You are missing the point massively, content as you are to ignore the substance and moan about the messenger.

      • Charles Bostock

        Let’s get things the right way round, Ian, shall we?

        There are certainly lots of Russian oiigarchs who are “indulged” (for want of a better word) by various Western governments (accent on the word ‘various’ because the UK is far from being the only one. Sorry to diasppoint you here).

        But those oligarchs weren’t created by those various Western governments. They became oligarchs all by themselves.

        What was that about having a simplistiuc black and white view of the world again?

        • Clark

          “…all by themselves”

          As if the Western governments didn’t support and promote capitalism! Very similar legal and political structures permit “oligarchs”, ie. the rich and powerful, to retain their riches and power, no matter how they’re labelled nor what ethnicity they happen to have, nor which countries we examine.

          You do write some funny things.

          • Charles Bostock

            Supporting capitalism is not synonymous with creating oligarchs, Clark. You do think some funny things.

          • Clark

            Capitalism is the soil in which oligarchs thrive; the long ascendency of arguments to fertilise that soil but to restrict weeding and cutting back of excess growth have resulted in the current jungle, and its prevailing law.

        • Ian

          You are obviously clueless about it, then, if you think they somehow did it ‘all by themselves’. There is copious documentation on the subject, which I am sure you won’t fail to neglect. Nobody is saying they were created by western governments, although they were then indulged by the West.

          • Charles Bostock

            One can only indulge sometihing that already exists, Ian, one can’t indulge something which doesn”t exist. Not in any paractical sense. First came the Russian oligarchs, then they were indulgted (according to you, that is). You really have no clue how to discuss and reason, do you.

          • Ian

            You really don’t know what you are blathering about. Whatever it is, it is irrelevant. As usual.

  • Sharp Ears

    John Pilger on his experience of visiting Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian Embassy.

    ‘Whenever I visit Julian Assange, we meet in a room he knows too well. There is a bare table and pictures of Ecuador on the walls. There is a bookcase where the books never change. The curtains are always drawn and there is no natural light. The air is still and fetid.

    This is Room 101.

  • Jack

    Integrity Initiative: The Sinister Chain of Events Leading Up to Salisbury

    As if the day could not get any worse, the brittish musician Keith Flint pass away due suicide, he/his band reminds me how good the 90s were compare to the time we live in now. Rip.

    • Clark

      Here’s to Flint. At least he’s out of this mess, and they’ll be dancing all night tonight in heaven.

      • Jack


        Yes it feels awful, I hope he is in a better place without his drug/depression/demons, he seemed to be a compassionate and sympathic person with the heart in the right place.

  • defo

    Nothing to say on the Heir to the throne having been caught with his fingers in the till Craig?

    • Ken Kenn

      That money was just resting in his account until it was moved on……………………………

      A rare old rest Ted. said father Dougal.

  • David

    seems to be a job advert in the html
    date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 21:47:10 GMT
    x-hacker: If you’re reading this, you should visit and apply to join the fun, mention this header.

    server hosted at by automattic, in San Francisco USA

  • Sharp Ears

    Siobhain McDonagh, MP, Lab Mitcham and Morden, is putting the boot in on Corbyn by way of siding with Watson in the AS rot.

    Labour MP Siobhain Mcdonagh: “to be anti-capitalism is to be anti-semitic”

    She is a warmonger, both on Iraq and Syria, and abstained in the vote against giving support to Saudi Arabia’s war on Yemen. She is a strong Blairite and her sister was General Secretary of the Labour Party in Blair’s time as PM.

    ‘McDonagh told the BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that she believes anti-semitism to be a problem in the Labour Party. She has an exceptionally broad view of anti-semitism, seeing opposition to capitalism as a form of hatred towards Jewish people. She believes that people see Jewish people as the ‘financiers of capital’ and that people expressing opposition to capital are in fact expressing hateful sentiments against Jewish people.’ From the Nye Bevan News link above.

    Another Red Tory.

    • Sharp Ears

      and another one. Helen Lewis in the New Statesman.

      ‘Helen Lewis is associate editor of the New Statesman. She regularly appears on BBC Radio 4’s Week in Westminster and the News Quiz, and is writing a history of feminism for Jonathan Cape.’

      They are like hyenas circling a victim.

      Why Jeremy Corbyn’s media-bashing is Trumpian – and dangerous for democracy

      It seems to have been provided for New Statesman America. She doesn’t miss a chance to kick Maduro and promote Guaido too in the piece.

      The current editor – (note Scottish independence!)
      The NS ownership. (Three of them were connected to Price Waterhouse Coopers)

      Geoffrey Robinson MP Lab. sold his 100% ownership of the NS to this Mike Danson in the biogs above. Robinson now aged 81 and Coventry NW MP for the last 43 years!!, was BLiar’s Paymaster General and the one who loaned Mandelslime £373k for his house purchase. What’s the matter with the voters in Coventry NW?

    • Mary Pau!

      For all sorts of historical reasons (the Jewish religion does not acknowlege Christ as the son of God), their religion has set Jews apart from Christians throughout history for the last 2000 years. Historically too the ban on money-lending by some religions offered a financial role to Jews, whose religion does not, at a time when many professions were barred to them (,just as they were to Roman Catholics in the UK.) Places like New York, in the New World, where Jews fled from persecution in Europe, allowed them to use their experience in finance to develop a significant economic presence and political influence.

      But this is the first time I have heard it said that to be anti capitalist is to be anti Jewish. There are high profile Swiss financiers due to the history of the banking system there. Does being anti capitalist mean you are also anti Swiss?

      The big problem is not capitalism but Zionism – the existence of the state of Israel and its policies towards the Palestinian people. There is widespread support among Jewish people worldwide wide for the existence of the state of Israel – if not for the policies of the current government of Israel towards Palestinians. Opposition to the existence of Israel and support for the Palestinian cause gets mixed up with anti-Zionism i.e. opposition to the state of Israel and anti- Semitism i.e. prejudice against Jewish people and the Jewish religion, and the ,perpetuation of hideous untruths about them.

      Saying opposition to capitalism means you are anti Jewish and anti Semitic is really muddled thinking.There are some pretty shady arch capitalists in New York of European Christian origin. Currently one D. Trump springs to mind.

      • michael norton

        Mary Paul, it is almost as if the Jewish Lobby is hoping to be attacked ( verbally) so they can blow up their indignation.
        The question is, is this being done, just to bring Jeremy down or is it also a smoke screen, to take our vision away from the fiasco of government incapability of dealing with Brexit?

        • Jo1

          It’s being done to bring Corbyn down, there’s no doubt about that. That’s been the focus of Watson and his merry band since Corbyn was elected tho’ Watson pretended otherwise for a time. He’s really going for it now!

          It all started way before the EU referendum. There have just been several stages of the same plot. This is the most vicious stage yet. It’s clearly more important to the plotters than Brexit. I have to say that in all the years since I started following politics I’ve never seen anything like this.

      • Clark

        The dominance of capitalism has to be the biggest problem in the world. I’m not particularly anti-capitalist as an aspect of humanity’s behaviour, but it is utterly destructive for it to be the overriding determinant. Slavery to the profit motive corrupts information, knowledge, politics, religion, employment; everything, and to varying extents makes all products unfit for purpose.

        • Clark

          Capitalism is rooted in a fetish. I have nothing against fetishes as a pass-time and thoroughly enjoy some of them, but to laud one particular one as the only legitimate basis of society is simply insane.

      • pete

        It seems to me that every time I come to consider cases of actual anti Semitic *– as opposed to cases where people have wilfully misinterpreted politicians well intended but ill thought out utterances – it always seems to boil down to trying to divide an otherwise unified section of the community, in other words splitting the opposition. This looks to me what the opposition to Jeremy Corbyn is all about, an unholy alliance between centrists of the main parties against a popular radical left leader.
        It is because the whole subject of anti Semitic is a minefield that we have to be cautious in our language, for example some of the power in the rhetoric of Norman Finkelstein’s books come from the fact that he seems to occasionally throw caution to the wind.
        If it were not for anti Semitic pogroms there wouldn’t have been a Zionist project started in 1903 **, in other words there would have been no need for a homeland, a refuge from a hostile world.
        Understanding where the fuel for this came from is a complex story, obviously religious differences are important – as Mary Pau! Points out – but the cynical use by political leaders of propaganda to manipulate popular opinion should not be underestimated. There is no clearer example of this that the history of the authorship of The Protocols. The artist Will Eisner has written an illustrated book on the subject: The Plot: ( ) Which shows the development of the whole scheme. It is sort of ironic that the same tool used to vilify one section of humanity against another is now being used by the same minority who were its original victims.

        * Recent cases, murder of a Jewish woman in France :, and the desecration of Jewish gravestones with swastikas:
        ** See:

    • Borncynical


      Apologies if I am repeating what others may have already said, but is it just a coincidence that most (if not all) of those Labour MPs bleating on about non-existent anti-Semitism happen to support demands for military action in the ME at every opportunity in the absence of justification (at least to us outsiders) and contrary to international law? They have a very warped view of life.

      • Clark

        It’s not remotely a coincidence, it has every appearance of a contrived tactic. But the anti-Semitism which is the fulcrum of the lever is not non-existent, or it would be just as effective to accuse Corbyn of summoning ghosts.

        Everyone keeps looking at the opposite ends of the lever, and consequently disregard the critical importance of the fulcrum. Which is why I welcome the recent Momentum video.

  • Mary Pau!

    If there is an established Islamic terrorist group/groups operating “illegally” out of Pakistan operated Kashmir, and sending suicide bombers across the border into India, couldn’t Imran Khan de-escalate the situation by rounding up some of the ringleaders?

    • Greg Park

      Closer to home and of infinitely more relevance, why did Theresa May suppress the findings of a report on Saudi influence on terror attacks in tbe UK in the immediate wake of the London Bridge incident? And why was there virtually no mention of her having done so amid all the media coverage about what caused the attacks?

  • michael norton

    Guantanamo express: Scottish police finish probe into CIA ‘torture flights’ & rendition stopovers

    In 2014, the Record revealed that police were looking at at least six stopovers, at Prestwick and Glasgow airports. Another 13 possible rendition flights had landed at Aberdeen, Inverness and Wick between 2004 and 2006, according to researchers.

    One of these flights, the paper reported, was transporting the 9/11 terrorist attack suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was taken from Afghanistan to Poland for interrogation in March 2003.

    The CIA-owned N379P Gulfstream V jet had stopped at Glasgow Airport after dropping Mohammed off at “Detention Site Blue” in Poland, according to the Rendition Project. Chief Constable Iain Livingstone testified to Scottish lawmakers that US officials had refused permission to board the plane on that occasion.

  • N_

    I knew Anna Soubry was an ego nut who wears army boots, but I hadn’t realised she was semi-literate:

    “As a former criminal barrister gang/serious violence/knife crime is complicated & won’t be solved simply by recruiting more police but it’s part of the solution.”

    • Charles Bostock

      It could have been written better but the meaning seems clear enough, surely? She obviously doesn’t have someone to write her scripts for her….unlike some, eh, N_?

  • Republicofscotland

    Is this the real reasom for the PM’s Brexit extension? Bearing in mind the EU brought in new stricter tax laws at the beginning of this year, is this why some MP’s are pushing hard for a no deal?

    “The Prime Minister, Theresa May, has come in for severe criticism after cancelling a crucial vote on a key piece of Brexit legislation after it became clear that a cross-party amendment – to essentially name and shame the bosses of tax avoiding companies – was going to succeed”

    Evolve Politics | Truly Independent Political News, Media & Opinion

    Home UK Conservatives Theresa May cancels key Brexit vote because amendment to name and shame…
    Theresa May cancels key Brexit vote because amendment to name and shame tax avoiders was going to pass
    By Tom D. Rogers – 4th March 2019

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    Theresa May cancels key Brexit vote because amendment to name and shame tax avoiders was going to pass
    The Prime Minister, Theresa May, has come in for severe criticism after cancelling a crucial vote on a key piece of Brexit legislation after it became clear that a cross-party amendment – to essentially name and shame the bosses of tax avoiding companies – was going to succeed.


    “A vote on the government’s Financial Services Bill – a key piece of legislation needed before the UK leaves the EU – had been scheduled for tonight.”

    “However, after MPs put forward an amendment to make British-controlled tax havens more transparent, the bill has now completely disappeared from today’s House of Commons Order of Business.”

  • Sharp Ears

    Yet again, Hodge and co are still attacking Jeremy Corbyn, a member of his staff and one of his appointments, Lord Falconer of all people.* Why is Falconer being trusted now?

    Jeremy Corbyn attacked over interventions in antisemitism complaints
    Dame Margaret Hodge has complained about “political interference” from one of Jeremy Corbyn’s staff in a disciplinary procedure.

    * Sixteen years ago in July, Falconer was setting up the Hutton Inquiry in lieu of an inquest for Dr David Kelly.

    An inquest was suspended by then Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer, who ruled that Lord Hutton’s inquiry could take its place. But in the event, the inquiry focused more on the question of how the BBC report came to be broadcast than on the medical explanation for Dr Kelly’s death

    • Vivian O'Blivion

      The whole saga is becoming tiresome. Sadly, Corbyn cannot win the next GE, the TIGers put payed to that. In these circumstances Corbyn must ask himself what he can achieve in the medium term. The answer to my way of thinking is to take steps that will force a split in the party. Socialists will remain with Labour. Hodge, Watson et all can bugger off the the TIGers and from there to the LibDems. Given that 9 out of 11 LibDem MPs are in the party FoI group, Hodge and co will fit right in. The damage to Labour will be short term in a cycle where power was never within its grasp. Labour can rebuild its Parliamentary position by selection of candidates from its newly, reinvigorated grass roots in a similar way to the SNP post 2014.

      • Dungroanin


        Labour are certain to win any GE called now or in the future.

        That is why it hasn’t been called yet.

        The max 80-odd rump PLooPers are gathering the Labour treasures/ lists of members and wrecking the kit and offices as they prepare the great march to THEIR promised land, promised to them by their god, the Funny Tinged Eden.

        The challenge is for the CLPs to have the prospective LOCAL candidates ready to hit the ground running – as the election will follow the exodus.

        The challenge is to get new members as a few go off with the very funny tingers.

        The challenge is to get the voters to remain loyal to Labours original social democratic demands.

        As the funny tings get into bed with May to deliver the tory brexit – it is a fight for the future generations against the usual aristos and new rich and global financiers.

        It is not an easy task – but it is achievable.

        • Ian

          Corbyn has tried, and did a decent job last election, but all the evidence is that he has failed to build on that. It is quite sad to see the worst, most incompetent and fraudulent government in living memory and Labour toothless and ineffective in combatting it, with no sign it is picking up the support it needs. Whatever his merits, he is just not convincing to the non-aligned.

          • Dungroanin

            What will be too late?

            You are not being logical – you say he can’t win an election because…? You say it will be too late too win an election?

            But you know that Labour can’t call a election, right?

            You know that the Tories won’t vote against May in a no- confidence vote don’t you? Because they have been told and believe Labour would win.

            You know that don’t you?

        • Vivian O'Blivion

          The TIGers are secretly funded and presumably flash with cash. If 80 pseudo Labour MPs went over to the TIGers, they would presumably stand at the next GE under whatever fab new logo the expensive advertising gurus employed by the TIGers feel has the most traction with their target audience. Election materials can be delivered by the Post Office in the absence of party activists (the LibDems in East Dumbartonshire are proof that elections can be bought in this country). The individual candidates will have face recognition and attract some misplaced loyalty from the public. In short, Hodge, Watson and co., may not get elected but they can divert off enough votes to allow Tory gains from Labour. The numbers just don’t add up I’m afraid.

          • Dungroanin

            That is the challenge.

            It is not a foregone conclusion.

            The digging up and dressing in the putrid body of SDP1 and attempting to achieve the same outcome is deluded, desperate and wishful because the starting conditions are completely different.

        • Sharp Ears

          Hodge is on Sky News with creepy crawly Kay Burley feeding her with the right questions for her responses, addressing her as ‘Dame Margaret”.

          Hodge is SO sincere and so INJURED. She definitely doth protest too much.

          Sick of it.

    • Jo1

      It’s not remotely funny, obviously, but I did laugh yesterday seeing a headline in the Guardian saying something like, “Falconer denies he cannot act independently in Complaints Process”. This was apparently the latest attack tactic. Yet what had Watson proposed? He wants people to refer complaints about anti-Semitism to HIM! Yeh, that’s REALLY independent!

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