The furore around the election of Dr Manivannan to the Scottish Parliament is deeply troubling. There is no argument whatsoever that they were eligible to stand for election. The law was changed specifically in order for those on temporary visas to be able to stand in Scottish parliamentary elections.
I confess I am not sure that is altogether a good idea. I can see arguments both ways. There are far too many people amongst our neighbours who have to manage their lives through the Home Office’s discriminatory, hostile and prohibitively expensive immigration application systems. It is good to see such people given a voice.
On the other hand, there is a reasonable expectation of legislators having a fixed stake in the country for which they legislate.
I suspect like most people, the question had never even occurred to me until the current furore over Dr Manivannan and I have to give it some thought.
But whatever view one takes on what the law ought to be, the law as it stands is clear. Dr Manivannan was eligible, stood, and was duly elected.
That Scotland has subsequently been rocked by shrill calls for Dr Manivannan to be deported by the immigration authorities, I therefore find appalling. It is not only a denial of democracy, it is without doubt motivated by the most basic hatred and bigotry, both racist and anti-trans. To see such sentiments so openly espoused in Scotland I find deeply disturbing.
Almost amusing is the argument that, while it was perfectly legal for Dr Manivannan to stand for election, it is illegal for them to be elected.
This argument was first adopted by the radical anti-trans campaigning group For Women Scotland. This group was founded in order to oppose self-ID for trans people. 99% of its output is anti-trans rights argument. They would, however, have us believe that their objection to Dr Manivannan is nothing to do with their being trans, but a longstanding, though hitherto silent, interest in the minutiae of immigration legislation.
The practical reality is straightforward. The Scottish elections happened to fall just after Dr Manivannan completed their PhD.
There is the usual short gap between finishing the thesis and the formal end of the academic year. They are therefore still on their student visa.
They are in the process of applying for the next graduate visa. This would be the position whether or not they had been elected.
A new visa will be needed. It seems highly improbable that the Home Office would refuse one.
A seat in the Scottish Parliament is hardly unrelated to a PhD in Political Science. Quite apart from that, the democratic mandate ought to carry considerable weight.
I know Reform UK has coarsened political discourse across the UK. But to hear gleeful demands for an elected immigrant to be thrown out is dispiriting. Some of these voices even come from within the Scottish independence movement.
I also find the extreme anti-trans positions being put forward in relation to this case downright depressing. The Workers Party of Britain simply tweeted “Trans women are men”, while their lead candidate for Edinburgh argued directly that gender dysphoria is a mental illness and mentally ill people should be banned from parliament.
I have frequently complained that the gender identity question is dominated by such extreme and unreasonable positions. The complete denial of the validity of any trans people is an extreme position. It also rolls back 40 years of broad societal acceptance.
I first met Jan Morris in the 1980s, and have known several other trans people since. For decades, there was little open intolerance. I can’t recall anybody ever suggesting Jan Morris should not use women’s bathrooms – least of all the feminist movement of those times.
Feminism then was about breaking down sexual barriers, not erecting them.
The extraordinary attempt of the US-originated movement to erect differing gender identities into a compulsory and strange ideology transformed the situation. Attempting to introduce compelled speech is not something I support – I try to use people’s preferred pronouns out of politeness, for example, but it is not a matter for the state. The purpose of a pronoun is to specify an individual, not to signal political correctness.
The issue of self-ID led to a real political fracture. Personally I favour treating people as they wish to be treated, which favours self-ID. That is polite, tolerant and kind. But most people find the idea of people self-identifying themselves into women’s elite sports, or reserved women’s positions on boards, to be not obviously desirable.
Personally, I have always specifically opposed the idea that those who have used violence, including but not only sexual violence, against women should be able to self-identify into women’s prisons. That seems to me a blindingly practical exclusion.
The problem is the pro-trans lobby is equally dominated by extremists. They argue that any restriction on the ability of the individual to immediately self-identify is unacceptable, and any restriction on their being treated as their gender of choice is discrimination.
The problem with this position is that it assumes nobody ever lies. The problems for the trans movement has been caused by their inability to accept the existence of fake trans people. You cannot deny by ideology the existence of human criminal behaviour.
In practice, there are a number of men who pretend to be trans, but are not really trans, in order to gain access to women in various situations. I took the position that these were extremely rare and wrongly used to introduce smears against trans people as criminal into the debate.
But then, a succession of shocking cases in Scotland made me realise that my initial views had given insufficient weight to the need for protection of women from fake trans people.
I have had arguments with trans advocates who simply refuse to accept that such people exist. The cases of Isla Bryson, Serenity Francis Johnston, Katie Dolatowski and Alexandra Stewart are notorious and they do exist. They cannot simply be wished away.
They are certainly not representative of trans people in any way, but the debate could helpfully be shifted from the deliberate confusion of trans people with sexual perverts, if only the trans lobby would recognise that men falsely pretending to be trans do actually exist and this needs to be guarded against.
My own position is that anybody guilty of a sexual or violent offence should lose their right to change gender. I believe changing gender should be a right, but some rights are normally lost when you commit a serious crime. It seems to me that is the coherent basis for policy.
However I also believe that nobody should have their rights circumscribed before they have committed any crime, and the mantra of “you can’t tell which man is a rapist” is deeply wrong. It is as offensive and dangerous as racial or other profiling.
The “gender-critical” faction in Scotland have, as usual, reacted to my defending Dr Manivannan on social media by accusing me of adopting all kinds of positions I have never held – like allowing convicted rapists to self-identify into women’s prison, supporting medical intervention in children, or trans women boxers to compete in the Olympics.
Neither side of the debate seems able to comprehend for a moment that people of good will might be trying, in good faith, to find compromises to balance rights so that trans people may lead full and happy lives while hard-won feminine rights – and safety – might not be endangered by faux opportunists.
But it is difficult to explain anything when everybody is screaming at you.
Here is a truth. Scottish people are not stupid. It is extremely well known by now that the Scottish Greens have a very strong line indeed on supporting trans rights and gender self- ID. The Scottish Greens regard my own position outlined above as extremely reactionary. They are fully signed up to the ideology of gender fluidity and its compulsory acceptance.
In the last two Scottish parliamentary elections, alternative pro-Independence parties have stood, noisily, on the very specific and openly stated position that “Trans women are men” and that they oppose trans rights. Most notably Alba in 2021, but also the Independence for Scotland Party and the Workers’ Party of Britain. Famous Independent candidates like Fergus Ewing and Ash Regan also made this a major plank of their platforms.
The party I stood for, Alliance to Liberate Scotland, while having no formal position on the issue, featured mostly candidates who are vocally anti-trans.
Next to nobody voted for them.
A lot of people voted Green.
All of the pro-Independence parties which adopted extreme anti-trans positions got derisory votes, fractions of one per cent. The Greens got many times as many votes. That is how democracy works.
Nicola Sturgeon derailed the SNP when she shifted its emphasis from Independence to identity politics. There is no doubt she shifted the emphasis on purpose. The toxicity of the trans issue in Scottish politics is her legacy – she approached it in the most abrasive and divisive way possible, and used it to force out of her party those not loyal to her. The single most important cause of hatred towards trans people in Scotland is Nicola Sturgeon.
None of which was the fault of Dr Manivannan, but they are the current lightning rod for the resultant hatred. Which is entirely unfair.
It is par for the course that the Tories and Reform are attacking Dr Manivannan. Bigotry is what they do. But for alleged socialists and Independence supporters to join in is deeply dispiriting,
Dr Manivannan has done nothing wrong and is by all accounts a very pleasant and gentle soul. They were elected. Please stop the hate. This member of the Scottish parliament, elected by the Scottish people, must be defended against any attack from the London-based UK Home Office.
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I’m sure them is a perfect Scottsman, wearing kilt, playing bagpipe, eating haggis and all. Scott-lyandd must be frrrreee!
What worries me here is this kind of stuff: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-grooming-gangs-unexamined-organized-crime-angle/ Maybe the ex-Israeli ex-journalist is exaggerating the problem, I dunno. But ethnic criminal gangs need to live in symbiosis with law enforcement and politicians, and ethnic politicians will be more likely to cooperate with ethnic criminal gangs.
Something is rotten in the state of Britain? As we all know, Winston Churchill strongly opposed Indian self-governance, believing Indians were incapable of managing their own affairs and that independence would lead to chaos and the destruction of essential services. In the same way, I am inclined to think that UK (and maybe the whole Europe) today is not capable of self-governance and need a strong man to fix it up. Maybe Putin, maybe the reptiloids, maybe the little green men from outer space will do this, but this must be someone from the outside.
independence would lead to chaos and the destruction of essential services
Ironic when you consider how our essential services have become dependent on immigrants from the Indian sub-continent (and elsewhere).
A common belief amongst old style colonialists that the peoples they ruled over were incapable of governing their own affairs but yes, let’s have Putin over, a man unlikely to embroil the country in futile unnecessary wars or trash the economy.
A typically humane, balanced and intelligent response, Craig. No reasonable person could object to any part of what you’ve written.
However……there is the issue of, well, Reality; can that – admittedly nebulous – concept be so casually dismissed ? If the idea is accepted that humans can change sex, ie become the opposite of their natal sex ( please, don’t anyone start on the whole Gender/Sex ( bogus ) dichotomy nonsense ) then we have to redefine how we understand Reality.
My concerns on the issue are to do with TWAW. No, they’re not, and never will/could be women. Some men can ” pass ” as women, and many I’m sure are more comfortable acting/feeling/imagining they are ACTUAL women; and probably the majority of such do so without causing any distress or threat to women. or anyone else.
But I’m not a woman, so I can’t know what it’s like to be, to more or less be compelled to be confronted with this issue and it’s implications ( ” Transmen ” don’t seem to be the source of as much ” controversy “; as yet ). I imagine it could be very disturbing to think that what you, and every other female since the evolution of humankind has taken as an immutable condition, with distinctive characteristics and biological capacities ie a Woman, is not in fact immutable, but merely an label ” assigned at birth ” ( it’s this kind of idiocy that really irritates ) and has no ontological substance: in effect ” anyone ” can become a woman.
There’s also the very concerning focus on young, often very young children, involving irreversible, irreparable surgery and often based on an ideological interpretation of child behaviour/s that historically would have been understood much more simply, and correctly.
When you learn that such drastic, life-defining actions like amputating healthy body parts – in anyone, but particularly young people- can be based on the demented metaphysics of being ” born in wrong body ” we have to enquire WTF is going on.
As previously stated…….if the category Woman can be essentially rendered meaningless, how long before the same fate befalls the category Human?
# War On Reality
Much of what is described as ‘transphobia’ is a reaction to the way trans activists have controlled the debate over the past several years. Using violence, intimidation and threats to silence dissenting voices.
Video (1m 06s): “Trans protestors clash with police in ambush attempt of gender critical conference” (The Telegraph, 23 March 2024) – [YouTube] [Invidious]
Most feminists branded transphobes are nothing of the sort, they just want to be heard. Be able to express their right to free speech without being shouted down, cancelled or de-platformed.
I suppose somebody would argue that preventing prisoners transitioning or whatever infringes their human rights but it’s more common for sex offenders to decide they were ‘born in the wrong body’ after they’re arrested ie when they’re still legally innocent. There was a case locally where a rapist, whose victims included an 11 year old girl, claimed to self ID as a woman after arrest. In accordance with MoJ rules male pronouns were used throughout the trail but sentencing was done using the female name; after which they were sent to a male prison because ‘she’ is considered to be a danger to women…
I was a bit surprised about this law change, which goes in the opposite direction of the Australian and New Zealand parliamentary eligibility crises, where even dual nationality was considered disqualifying (reasonably so, I thought). I suppose the difference with the Scottish Parliament is deemed to be its lack of foreign policy.
There are other ways for foreign students to contribute to Scottish politics, perhaps as a special adviser, rather than a Representative, although I suppose the Westminster idea of amateurism has been adopted for MSPs.
I agree you have to wonder who oppositional ideologies serve. I suppose another example would be people denying there were predators on Pride marches, despite that recent SNP council leader’s conviction. But perhaps we will all be pleasantly surprised this time by an informed Green focus on supremely urgent ecological threats, environmental problems and living planet welfare concerns in this parliament.
No worries, just one of many badly-written, half-baked laws drafted by michief-makers or incompetents.
We should be used to that by now, just as we should expect to see a pretty long-stretched fudge to produce a work-permit which I understand is not attached.
Not ready for independence I fancy.