The furore around the election of Dr Manivannan to the Scottish Parliament is deeply troubling. There is no argument whatsoever that they were eligible to stand for election. The law was changed specifically in order for those on temporary visas to be able to stand in Scottish parliamentary elections.
I confess I am not sure that is altogether a good idea. I can see arguments both ways. There are far too many people amongst our neighbours who have to manage their lives through the Home Office’s discriminatory, hostile and prohibitively expensive immigration application systems. It is good to see such people given a voice.
On the other hand, there is a reasonable expectation of legislators having a fixed stake in the country for which they legislate.
I suspect like most people, the question had never even occurred to me until the current furore over Dr Manivannan and I have to give it some thought.
But whatever view one takes on what the law ought to be, the law as it stands is clear. Dr Manivannan was eligible, stood, and was duly elected.
That Scotland has subsequently been rocked by shrill calls for Dr Manivannan to be deported by the immigration authorities, I therefore find appalling. It is not only a denial of democracy, it is without doubt motivated by the most basic hatred and bigotry, both racist and anti-trans. To see such sentiments so openly espoused in Scotland I find deeply disturbing.
Almost amusing is the argument that, while it was perfectly legal for Dr Manivannan to stand for election, it is illegal for them to be elected.
This argument was first adopted by the radical anti-trans campaigning group For Women Scotland. This group was founded in order to oppose self-ID for trans people. 99% of its output is anti-trans rights argument. They would, however, have us believe that their objection to Dr Manivannan is nothing to do with their being trans, but a longstanding, though hitherto silent, interest in the minutiae of immigration legislation.
The practical reality is straightforward. The Scottish elections happened to fall just after Dr Manivannan completed their PhD.
There is the usual short gap between finishing the thesis and the formal end of the academic year. They are therefore still on their student visa.
They are in the process of applying for the next graduate visa. This would be the position whether or not they had been elected.

A new visa will be needed. It seems highly improbable that the Home Office would refuse one.
A seat in the Scottish Parliament is hardly unrelated to a PhD in Political Science. Quite apart from that, the democratic mandate ought to carry considerable weight.
I know Reform UK has coarsened political discourse across the UK. But to hear gleeful demands for an elected immigrant to be thrown out is dispiriting. Some of these voices even come from within the Scottish independence movement.
I also find the extreme anti-trans positions being put forward in relation to this case downright depressing. The Workers Party of Britain simply tweeted “Trans women are men”, while their lead candidate for Edinburgh argued directly that gender dysphoria is a mental illness and mentally ill people should be banned from parliament.
I have frequently complained that the gender identity question is dominated by such extreme and unreasonable positions. The complete denial of the validity of any trans people is an extreme position. It also rolls back 40 years of broad societal acceptance.
I first met Jan Morris in the 1980s, and have known several other trans people since. For decades, there was little open intolerance. I can’t recall anybody ever suggesting Jan Morris should not use women’s bathrooms – least of all the feminist movement of those times.
Feminism then was about breaking down sexual barriers, not erecting them.
The extraordinary attempt of the US-originated movement to erect differing gender identities into a compulsory and strange ideology transformed the situation. Attempting to introduce compelled speech is not something I support – I try to use people’s preferred pronouns out of politeness, for example, but it is not a matter for the state. The purpose of a pronoun is to specify an individual, not to signal political correctness.
The issue of self-ID led to a real political fracture. Personally I favour treating people as they wish to be treated, which favours self-ID. That is polite, tolerant and kind. But most people find the idea of people self-identifying themselves into women’s elite sports, or reserved women’s positions on boards, to be not obviously desirable.
Personally, I have always specifically opposed the idea that those who have used violence, including but not only sexual violence, against women should be able to self-identify into women’s prisons. That seems to me a blindingly practical exclusion.
The problem is the pro-trans lobby is equally dominated by extremists. They argue that any restriction on the ability of the individual to immediately self-identify is unacceptable, and any restriction on their being treated as their gender of choice is discrimination.
The problem with this position is that it assumes nobody ever lies. The problems for the trans movement has been caused by their inability to accept the existence of fake trans people. You cannot deny by ideology the existence of human criminal behaviour.
In practice, there are a number of men who pretend to be trans, but are not really trans, in order to gain access to women in various situations. I took the position that these were extremely rare and wrongly used to introduce smears against trans people as criminal into the debate.
But then, a succession of shocking cases in Scotland made me realise that my initial views had given insufficient weight to the need for protection of women from fake trans people.
I have had arguments with trans advocates who simply refuse to accept that such people exist. The cases of Isla Bryson, Serenity Francis Johnston, Katie Dolatowski and Alexandra Stewart are notorious and they do exist. They cannot simply be wished away.
They are certainly not representative of trans people in any way, but the debate could helpfully be shifted from the deliberate confusion of trans people with sexual perverts, if only the trans lobby would recognise that men falsely pretending to be trans do actually exist and this needs to be guarded against.
My own position is that anybody guilty of a sexual or violent offence should lose their right to change gender. I believe changing gender should be a right, but some rights are normally lost when you commit a serious crime. It seems to me that is the coherent basis for policy.
However I also believe that nobody should have their rights circumscribed before they have committed any crime, and the mantra of “you can’t tell which man is a rapist” is deeply wrong. It is as offensive and dangerous as racial or other profiling.
The “gender-critical” faction in Scotland have, as usual, reacted to my defending Dr Manivannan on social media by accusing me of adopting all kinds of positions I have never held – like allowing convicted rapists to self-identify into women’s prison, supporting medical intervention in children, or trans women boxers to compete in the Olympics.
Neither side of the debate seems able to comprehend for a moment that people of good will might be trying, in good faith, to find compromises to balance rights so that trans people may lead full and happy lives while hard-won feminine rights – and safety – might not be endangered by faux opportunists.
But it is difficult to explain anything when everybody is screaming at you.
Here is a truth. Scottish people are not stupid. It is extremely well known by now that the Scottish Greens have a very strong line indeed on supporting trans rights and gender self- ID. The Scottish Greens regard my own position outlined above as extremely reactionary. They are fully signed up to the ideology of gender fluidity and its compulsory acceptance.
In the last two Scottish parliamentary elections, alternative pro-Independence parties have stood, noisily, on the very specific and openly stated position that “Trans women are men” and that they oppose trans rights. Most notably Alba in 2021, but also the Independence for Scotland Party and the Workers’ Party of Britain. Famous Independent candidates like Fergus Ewing and Ash Regan also made this a major plank of their platforms.
The party I stood for, Alliance to Liberate Scotland, while having no formal position on the issue, featured mostly candidates who are vocally anti-trans.
Next to nobody voted for them.
A lot of people voted Green.
All of the pro-Independence parties which adopted extreme anti-trans positions got derisory votes, fractions of one per cent. The Greens got many times as many votes. That is how democracy works.
Nicola Sturgeon derailed the SNP when she shifted its emphasis from Independence to identity politics. There is no doubt she shifted the emphasis on purpose. The toxicity of the trans issue in Scottish politics is her legacy – she approached it in the most abrasive and divisive way possible, and used it to force out of her party those not loyal to her. The single most important cause of hatred towards trans people in Scotland is Nicola Sturgeon.
None of which was the fault of Dr Manivannan, but they are the current lightning rod for the resultant hatred. Which is entirely unfair.
It is par for the course that the Tories and Reform are attacking Dr Manivannan. Bigotry is what they do. But for alleged socialists and Independence supporters to join in is deeply dispiriting,
Dr Manivannan has done nothing wrong and is by all accounts a very pleasant and gentle soul. They were elected. Please stop the hate. This member of the Scottish parliament, elected by the Scottish people, must be defended against any attack from the London-based UK Home Office.
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Clearly Peter Murrell has a case to answer, and indeed has admitted as much, but nevertheless, I remain suspicious that he might have been singled out as a target for investigation for other reasons, as I do when any high-profile person is accused of crimes or civil matters. I feel exactly the same about the way Prince Andrew is being hounded for alleged wrongdoing that the media still haven’t detailed. Russell Brand, Alex Salmond Frank Bough, Max Mosley and Cliff Richard also come to mind as other figures who seem to have been overzealously pursued by the authorities/media, although it remains to be seen about Brand, of course.
With Murrell, £400k is certainly a lot of money to most people but look at how Farage legally trousered £5m from a gift, and the amounts swilling around Parliamentary expenses, and also the vast corruption during the covid lockdown, with test-and-trace and the stuffing the mouths of doctors and health chiefs to peddle debatable science. How clear is the line between ’embezzlement’ and feathering your own nest in the way virtually all politicians do? I throw that out there, without knowing much about Scottish politics or Mr Murrell or the case against him. Interesting too, whether coincidental or not, with that in mind, Nicola Sturgeon played quite an important part in enforcing the UK government’s lockdowns during covid, and surely knows where the metaphorical bodies are buried.
The Scottish govt approved more than £40m for bus companies to “keep services running” during Covid, many of which ferried the occasional nurse to go to work so she could polish things all day while telling people who really needed to use the bus to get to the supermarket (rather than buying from small shops in out-of-the-way places at double or treble the price) to f*** off, rather like it was 1960 in Tennessee. A win-win for supermarket companies and bus companies, and of course politicians take a rake-off.
Major difference there is that the £5 million Farage was ‘gifted’ was the donor’s money. The £400,000 Murrell helped himself to wasn’t his and if memory serves had been donated by ordinary SNP supporters to fund IndyRef2. The question is was Farage morally correct in accepting the money as the donor would almost certainly be expecting something back in return.
Crimes committed by public figures or celebrities are bound to attract attention from the media even if it’s only a footballer getting a speeding ticket.
600k the indy masses gave the SNP – the bullshit story on why they couldn’t find it, was that it was woven through their accounts – even though Wings showed us that the SNP didn’t have 600k in their account – the treacherous b*stards stole it – and made up some nonsense that a indy minister and his/her department used on indy matters.
The 600k was meant to be ringfenced to help get us out of the pretendy union – a couple of savvy Scots wrote to the SNP and asked for their particular donations back, and they got them back – but most got shafted.
Didn’t the SNP Finance Committee resign after Murrell demanded they sign off the accounts without seeing them? Then Sturgeon was assuring everyone that everything was fine…
Yes.
“March 2021 – Three SNP officials – Edinburgh Lord Provost Frank Ross, Allison Graham and Cynthia Guthrie – resign from the party’s finance and audit committee after being denied sight of the accounts. A statement from them is read out at an SNP NEC meeting, the party’s ruling body.”
The way Peter Murrell behaves with Nicola Sturgeon for the cameras here suggests he’s never been anywhere near her when she’s had her clothes off, and nor would either of them ever want him to be:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7yqWSEjgnA#t=2m33s
Mind you, if she failed to notice that her “husband” of 14 years wasn’t ever her actual partner, you can understand how she also failed to notice he was robbing the Ye$NP’s referendum funds to buy himself items that estate agents and bookmakers think are “classy” because they’ve seen them in James Bond films. Like a Mont Blanc pen with a map of the world on it, for example. Imagine writing a message to “Q” with that, huh>? Either that or the corrupt POS who reigned over the corrupt Scottish regime for a while should be in the slammer too.
Does Liz Lloyd have anything to say about Murrell’s dishonesty?
I think Llyod was Sturgeon’s handler.
Ooh matron !
Good points below, I think they gave the SNP £6.4 million quid.
“And then there is the cash put in by Colin & Chris Weir, £Millions.
Colin kept asking for a breakdown & account of how his money was being spent but stonewalled by Murrell & his ex-Missus.
When widespread questions were being asked, why did Sturgeon not grill Murrell then?”
Very good point RoS, they were united talking about the policies of sex id but they never talked of Indy funds? tell us another one,BS.
The two conspired to defraud and what ever lies they used to make out that they were married, but.not joined in policy or the financial probety of the SNPIndependence movement, is short circuit reactionism to save their a..ses.
Police Scotland wanted to charge Sturgeon as well, but the COPFS put the block on it – said an insider – and its no coincidence that Murrell went to court on a holiday Monday, well after the elections were held.
https://robinmcalpine.org/the-protection-racket-why-is-sturgeon-free-tonight/
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“Said an insider” … pile of urine, in other words. Some desperate folk on here, making baseless assertions. If you had evidence it would be different but, as it is, you’re talking twaddle.
The scheduling on a national holiday doesn’t limit the damage to the Scottish government’s image much, but it does suggest the kind of delusions about their own level of power that can afflict those on whom the walls are moving inwards.
The SNP is the party for which the number of voters fell by 37% earlier this month (from 2,385,578 votes to 1,503,026 to be precise). Pretty inevitable that it will fall into the same kind of morass that Starmer’s is in in London.
“Colin kept asking for a breakdown & account of how his money was being spent”
As a big donator to politicians Colin Weir was doubtless as pure as the driven snow.
How convenient that eyes are directed to a guy who not only came from a relatively unprivileged background but who is also dead.
Didn’t the former 1st Minister have a lot on her plate though, with a Mr. Salmond and then, when thwarted, a Mr. Murray, if , of course, they were on her plate at all.
According to the evening news he bought a couple of expensive hair dryers and he sure as hell didn’t buy them for himself…
Murrell took Sturgeon to the Shetland Isles – he bought Sturgeon a necklace worth 1k – Murrell said to the owner of the jewellers shop, I’m the man with the money – Sturgeon wore the pendant to Holyrood, there’s quite few photos of her wearing it to her work.
It was just one of the items Murrell bought with embezzled cash – Murrell bought hundreds of items with the stolen cash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5pp2pee7go
“In a social media post published after her estranged husband’s guilty plea, Sturgeon said she was ‘angry, hurt, sad and very distressed’, and described it as a ‘profound personal trauma’.”
She’d be far better advised to shut her mouth, rather than whingeing in this way. But this is the self-important Thatcher-channelling fool who wanted us to come onto our doorsteps and clap for her on her 50th birthday, in July 2020, during Covid.
Clue to Ms Sturgeon: ministers are supposed to get paid for their work with their salaries, love, not with adulation or….
Tony Blair is really giving it some. He wants digital ID as a vital part of the AI “revolution”, no messing with non-dom status, and ministers appointed from outside parliament. His message doesn’t seem anti-Burnham to me – whatever you say about Tony Blair, he isn’t so thick as to believe politicians’ self-presentation. Journalistic commentary on his essay has been worthless, concentrating, as one has come to expect, on personalities – Streeting this, Trump that, little or no mention of the important points. It’s far more interesting to wonder who paid him. Musk? Thiel? (And why does he slate bishops?) He seems very well-disposed towards the despots of the Gulf and their money.
https://institute.global/insights/politics-and-governance/the-labour-party-is-playing-with-fire-over-its-future-and-the-future-of-the-country
Seems Larry “Chip-implant everyone and call it ‘AI’ ” Ellison may have paid Blair…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgp4llnn12o
“Sir Tony said he was happy to work with Ellison because “we share the same view about this technology revolution”.”
Well here is how Ellison himself has described that view:
https://archive.is/bUTp7
I think your use of the phrase “fake trans people” is unhelpful. It would be better to find another term like impersonation or masquerading.