Chris Huhne Resigns as England Captain

by craig on February 3, 2012 11:11 am in Uncategorized

For saying a black man did it and ran away. In other news Frank Lampard tipped to be new Energy Secretary.

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  1. Lampard could do a better job at least.

  2. Your link on the post title does not work. Perhaps this is what you had in mind.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16866127

  3. Will the new one push nuclear as hard as Huhney-Huhney?
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    The exchange of letters. Cleggover writes as gushingly as he speaks.
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    http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2012/02/letters-between-huhne-and-clegg/

  4. Huhne should be hung, drawn and quartered for the amount of money wasted proving that he did what he bloody knows he did.

    John Terry’s alleged racist remark has anti-racism campaigners saying that with him facing ‘charges of such magnitude’ he should be stripped of the England captaincy, regardless of the fact that he has not yet had his day in court.

    Such magnitude!??! This, in a week where the torture-affirming David Miliband can prance around, offering his ‘wisdom’ on the lessons Labour should draw from its recent history, when he should be warming a jail cell bunk somewhere.

    As ever, the spotlight is kept firmly on the low-level individual transgressions, rather than the industrial law-breaking of the entire upper reaches of UK society. Oh, Craig, it’s all too much… where’s that whiskey?

  5. MerkinOnParis

    3 Feb, 2012 - 12:15 pm

    Very drole, Mr Murray

  6. Ed Davey replaces Huhne. Here they both are on the LibDem Friends of Israel site, welcoming members of the Knesset in December 2009.
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    Lib Dems Meet Cross Party Delegation from Israel

    In December 2009, Liberal Democrat Parliamentarians met five visiting Members of the Israeli Parliament (Knesset). The visiting politicians each represented a different political party in Israel.
    (photo)
    Liberal Democrat Parliamentarians: LDFI President, Sir Alan Beith MP together with MPs Ed Davey, Chris Huhne, Lynne Featherstone and Willie Rennie and Lib Dem Peers Lord Wallace, Lord Dholakia and Baroness Neuberger.
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    Israeli Members of Knesset (Parliament): Yitzhak Vaknin MK – Shas, Tzipi Hotovely MK – Likud, Anastassia Michaeli MK – Yisrael Beiteinu, Majalli Whbee MK and Nachman Shai MK – Kadima.

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    http://ldfi.org.uk/events/previous-events/

  7. Mary

    It was, indeed a classic Private Eye cover.

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    Does anyone know if a post-war political history of the UK through cartoons has been written (I have seen one on the Labour Party)? I have always thought that it would be an excellent way to help foreign students of English; as well as an invaluable teaching tool for students of history and sociology who respond better to visual stimuli than the written word. I will ask the Cartoon Museum if such a volume might be on the stocks.

  8. A few years ago I was cruising at 90 mph as chauffeur for a businessman in customer’s BMW on the M40 and an unmarked police car slunk up beside me in the fast lane, to have a look. Obviously I slowed down a bit. Most cars do exceed the speed limit most of the time if they can. Most business men are exempt from embarrassing peccadillos most of the time.
    This intimidation of Chris Huhne is more to do with Clegg’s killer-enforcer, competitive political mentality than any wrong-doing by Chris Huhne. The whole Green game plan to heat the UK with nuclear electricity powered heat pumps has gone awol after the Tsunami in Japan. Nothing to lose for Chris Huhne to resign. It will be all the sweeter when Clegg gets the ejector seat from Cameron. I hope he lands under a lorry and gets well-flattened hedgehog-style. Apologies to animal lovers. I hope he gets squashed like a tin can.

  9. If it doesn’t sound too Irish I was in so much of a hurry this morning I was too slow to catch the humour.

  10. Cameron has announced that he is going to Washington to see his friend and fellow war criminal, Obama, next month.
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    “It will also be an opportunity to recall the valour and sacrifice of the US and British armed forces and their long tradition of standing shoulder to shoulder beside each other in defence of our liberties and shared values. The visit will underscore the strength of our economic links, which contribute to millions of jobs on both sides of the Atlantic.”
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    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/02/obama-to-host-state-dinner-for-cameron/1
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    He was filmed earier today in front of a armoured car. Don’t know where he wa

  11. What a hilarious and apt cover from Private Eye, and ghood luck with your endeavour at the museum Ian.
    Something else we have in common Guano, I used to be attached to the driving pool during my service, before I qualified as ‘neanderthal radar’ mechanic, and I had all sorts of vehicle training. One of them was a weeks worth of intensive ‘avoidance driving course’. The Baader Meinhof gang attacked generals and businessman and I was moving some generals about from A to B in those days, hence I had the training and was allowed to drive a merc 450Sel/600, spin it on a penny and drive with 140 towards a wall, only to stop during the last 40 meters.
    huge adrenalin kick for all involved driver and passengers.

  12. They are talking about a custodial sentence for attempting to pervert the course of justice for Huhne + ex.
    The bastards that be who constantly do pervert the course of justice, currently in Syria and recently in Libya, do not like independent minds. I am very sorry to hear the Beeb sabre rattling against Huhne. Clegg is the biggest shit on the planet for not intervening for his colleague/friend. Professional drivers, lorry drivers etc. do this prosecution passing all the time. Drink driving is a totally different thing.
    Remember Blair being driven down the M1 from his constituency at 100mph, filmed from a helicopter after winning an election? If I hadn’t been too far away to do it I was dying to go and get in his way.

  13. Ingo
    Doesn’t Neanderthal training include remove conscience from brain? So how come you listened to the limo lessons and not the moral lebotomy ones?

  14. Dick the Prick

    3 Feb, 2012 - 6:10 pm

    Chris Huhne is a lesbo sniffing, rug munching, strap-on receiving, arrogant cunt of the first order and John Terry is an injunction-seeking, weapons-grade cunt so good day all in all.

  15. Rug-munching – filthy habit I gave up long ago. Can you ever be a reformed rug-muncher? I don’t think so. Feminist probation officers have said it is curable, but I say once a rug muncher, always a rug-muncher. Can somebody tell me what this means please.

  16. 1. Why does everyone pretend to be upset when it is proved that a politician told one little lie? It’s like freaking out because a bird flies.

    2. Why do people think the law about speed limits is optional, whereas other laws are presumably binding?

  17. Same old, same old. As soon as the weather turns cold, this happens.
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    3 February 2012
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    Gas price up on cold snap and Russian shortage reports
    Russia and Ukraine have had disputes over gas in the past
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    The price of gas around Europe has risen sharply due to increased demand as a result of the cold weather and reports of reduced supply from Russia.
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    UK gas for next day delivery reached 75 pence per therm, the highest for over three years, reflecting EU prices.
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    The European Commission said flow was below normal in Poland, Slovenia, Austria, Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece and Italy.
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    The news prompted a new row between Russia’s Gazprom and the Ukraine.
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    /…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16871732

  18. I know most of you are anti royalist but sign this and spam others to sign this too.

    http://withholdtheroyalassent.org/

    7 defeats in the house of lords wasn’t enough to get the Tories and their mini mes in the Liberal party to back off, so this is worth a try isn’t it?

  19. Guano,
    Poor lad, look up the technical term: Cunnilingus
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    All (Males),
    Do not piss your wife upon divorce, or you will be Huhnedup high and dry.
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    However, given the lawlessness that has been set as standard, I very much doubt Mr. Huhne will be sent to Gitmo for lying to keep his license clean. Although it is surprising to find Vicki Price former Joint Head of the United Kingdom’s Government Economic Service, lying to the police!

  20. Huhne has some previous from 2003. Perhaps this has some bearing on what happened in the speeding case, also in 2003. Was someone gunning for him?
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    Huhne was convicted in 2003 under the Road Traffic Act 1988 of using a mobile phone while driving his car in London. Following the conviction, ++he was banned from driving for three months++.
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    The couple’s divorce settlement will be a lawyer’s paradise.
    Huhne owns seven houses—five that he purchased just as investments and that he makes money on as rental properties and two in which he lives. (One in Eastleigh, his constituency, and a town house in Clapham, south London). His wealth is estimated as £3.5 million.
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    His assets are in a blind trust, as are those of 15 other members of the coalition government.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Huhne

  21. Fedup
    Ha ha ha.
    But I’m not as naive as you cheekily make me out to be. For 14 years as a Muslim I have become accustomed to the shaving of this area of anatomy, and my imagination failed to make the link with this particular piece of flyting. I still don’t know why Chris Huhne’s supposed sexual proclivities has any bearing on his driving skills, political metier, or understanding of the use of energy.
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    The moral of the story is that when the rug is pulled out from under your feet by your political or personal enemies. Eat it.
    I had a good laugh at own expense and thanks for reminding me.

  22. ‘The couple’s divorce settlement will be a lawyer’s paradise’
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    I used the wrong tense. Apparently the couple divorced last year.

  23. And meanwhile in Syria another 200 are massacred – hey hey BAA how many kids did you kill today?

  24. Dick the Prick

    4 Feb, 2012 - 8:50 am

    @Guano – it’s not so much the man’s sexual proclivities but the sheer dishonesty of his affair. I think Ms Pryce would have at some point have said ‘you’re spending an awful lot of time with that women’ to which Huhne had a ready made defence of ‘don’t worry, she’s a lesbian’. Sooo one can infer he was playing away for an indeterminate length of time; deceit and misdirection – Vicky would not only have been hurt but felt stupid, hell, she probably had her over for tea, in her house, helped the kids with homework etc – no threat, just a nagging feeling at the back of her mind. It’s not your normal affair, it’s kinda ruthless.

  25. Anon. Are you sure and are you there? Or are you part of the dissident reporting based in this country and elsewhere. There was another ‘National Council’ in Benghazi last year. Have you heard what is going on in Libya now?
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    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1328319519.html

  26. @Mary “and are you there?”

    No i’m not – I’ve been rather busy getting Al Jazeera to fake up all of this
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/02/201223231333768854.html

    But not so busy that I couldn’t spend a few minutes dealing with you. Larry sends his love.

  27. Alastair Campbell, ex spindoctor to the warmonger, is on Radio 4 Saturday Live at the moment, having his ego massaged. Switched off. Also switched off Today in the week when they had him on. He is also doing the rounds of the chat shows. I do not care a fig for his teenage alcoholism, his days in Leicester, his bloody bagpipes or his mental problems. When I hear him say that Iraq is a better place now after the war I heave.
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    Anyone else with depression does have my sympathy though.
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    I reckon he must have another book or TV programme coming out.

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  28. If you believe everything you see or hear on Al Jazeera then you need help. It is Qatari based and controlled like the trouble in Syria.
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    eg
    Syria rejects Qatar call for Arab military intervention
    The emir of Qatar was the first Arab leader to propose Arab military intervention
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    Syria’s government has firmly rejected a call from Qatar for Arab troops to be deployed in the country to end the deadly crackdown on protesters.
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    A foreign ministry statement said such a move would “worsen the crisis… and pave the way for foreign intervention”.
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    On Sunday, the emir of Qatar said “some troops should go to stop the killing”.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16597015
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    PS I will not be feeding you any more today so you will have to rely on another.

  29. Apologies Mary – of course it cannot be true until it is reported by Press TV or Russia Today those models of journalistic integrity and neutrality.

  30. Anon,
    cut the condescension out, Al Jazeera is a compromised echo chamber of the machination of the Qatari shiekhs gone wild
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    Few shaky mobile phone clips and a narrative, do not add up to hill of beans, and are in no way a permit for the current bums rush for Libya redux (even zioBBC now owns up to the filthy lies and schemes).
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    We all know that the whole stinking affair is about kicking Assad out and setting up a ziouckwit friendly regime in Syria. So quit trying to cover up the sick game that has been playing out ever since the “defense of the realm” cock and bull made its debut.

  31. May I repeat what Arsalan said and ask you to sign this petition:

    http://withholdtheroyalassent.org/

  32. I agree with the premise of the petition Havantaclu but cannot abide the cringemaking tone of the ‘supplication’. And as if Brenda cares. She is too busy planning the spending of £60 million on her Jubilee celebrations as I heard it said. Anyway it’s a fraction of the cost of Olympics as Cameron said but who knows the actual cost of that which is in £billions already.
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    ‘But Prime Minister David Cameron noted that the jubilee would cost a fraction of the bill for the London Olympics which take place in July and August.’
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/queen-begins-cut-price-jubilee/story-fn6ck55c-1226262386224

  33. Dick the Prick
    ‘It’s not your normal affair, it’s kinda ruthless.’
    Am I missing something by not having a TV or reading a newspaper?
    Why are we discussing Mr Huhne’s private life? Does the borrowing of trillions from countries like Qatar to re-float what Fred Goodwin collapsed mean that we now have to do what they say in UK foreign policy, and also judge our politicians by the standards of Shariah?
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    Qatar doesn’t have a right to charge interest to banks like Barclays, and they don’t have a right to dictate to Muslim countries which Islamic group should be put in power as part of a financial deal which is already breaking the rules of Shariah.
    There is such a thing as legitimacy, and we are told to obey those leaders who demonstrate obedience to Islam and definitely NOT to obey those who do not demonstrate obedience to Islam.
    ‘By their fruit shall ye know them’. You saw what the result of the rebellion in Libya has been. Money may talk, but if you build animosity from the general public into your regime change and glibly label it democracy, you simultaneously devalue democracy and devalue Islam.
    The world needs integrity, and Islam patently has integrity, but we have not yet seen Muslims apply the integrity of Islam to politics either in the domestic or international sphere.
    Boring though Craig’s readers find this subject, please bear with me a second to explain something about Islam. We are told in the Quran to change ourselves as a condition of God changing our circumstances. It follows that no amount of political alliances with the enemies of Islam or pressure from oil-dosh from Arab play-boys will ever make a difference to the circumstances of the Muslims.
    All that will happen is that you will replace one kind of oppression with another, from brutal dictatorships to an Islamic version of Puritanism, invented by Zionists, paid for by Muslim hypocrites and implemented by Western atheists.
    The jails of the countries who have had regime change in the Arab spring will be fuller under the new regime than before, justice will be scarcer and freedom of speech will be eliminated. I know most of you don’t care about that prospect until you actually see it. My job is only to warn people not to believe the leaven of the Pharisees, the Islamist political movement which has the soft outer face of the Muslim Brotherhood. They are liars, spyers, cheaters, political manipulators and they have no legitimacy amongst any of the Muslim peoples. especially in Syria.

  34. Guano, I had to translate your jest german before I got the meaning, those days are nearly 40 years ago, when I was young, naive and more gullible, as for lobotomy, don’t assume that others are like you.

    Huhne without the ‘e’ means chicken in German and thats exactly what fits. I hope both get clobbered and that one of the two get found guilty and put to prison for wasting public money and time with their banality and egocentrics.

    That said, what could have possibly be more important folks, cause this BBC flagship programm ‘Newshite’ did not talk about anything else last night, I timed them and hilarity spread by the minute, when it was finished I laughed out loud, nothing but Huhne cack and/or talk about Huhne cack for 45 minutes, an exemplary for university teachers lookinbg for a great example of managing consent.

    This artificiallity of this news is breathtaking, nothing else had a look in all day, nothing changed the tune, it was either John Terry, or chicken shit. So what do we think we are living in today?
    vidi vidi springs to mind, Clockwork orange is showing this sunday at the Cinema City in Norwich, maybe a cultural discharge of sorts will help….

  35. Dick the Prick

    4 Feb, 2012 - 4:17 pm

    @Guano. Good luck there buddy. I just love it when a cabinet minister resigns, it’s a sport in itself destroying ministers dude. All the best with Syria – has Assad lost control to his secret police? He looks like he’s out of the loop when on telly. Don’t really do religion much but like the buildings.

  36. Both Russia and China have vetoed resolution against Syria at UNSC

  37. I followed the links to medialens and onwards to Alastair Crooke’s analysis about Syria Unfolding the Syrian Paradox at Asia Times.
    Mr Crooke’s description of the situation as a ‘box’ with different struggling sides makes it sound like a Tardis which has magic powers of its own which Assad can utilise for his own advantage.
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    I remember why I marched against the invasion of Iraq, because we had already seen the USUK idea of war in the carpet bombing of innocent civilians in Afghanistan. Similarly we have seen the method USUK has used for regime change in Libya including 1000 tons of munitions. Denials by the likes of William Hague are not worth the smirk that accompanies them. A smirk of pro-Zionist glee at the imminent destruction of more thousands of Muslims, and the fibrillation of security in the Middle East, and the vast clean slate for future arms sales.
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    The Salafi technique of lying is to mix a tradition which existed at the time of the prophet May Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him, with an outright lie. One example of such deceit is that in the Gulf States workers who have entered the Middle-East on a promise of employment are systematically reduced to the condition of slavery. Slavery was permitted in Islam, but the reduction of the status of subservient employment to the status of slavery was absolutely categorically forbidden.
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    The sleight of hand which is being planned between Sunni Salafism and CIA/MI6 AlQaida, is the usual stale old one we find in domestic UK politics, that the West and Russia/China are going to have a war over arms sales to Middle-Eastern countries anyway, so why don’t they ride the tiger which is most going to benefit them. In UK politics this has usually meant Muslims vote for New Labour, but in this situation we see a swing to Conservative politicians. The myth is that if Muslims saw the removal of dictators in the Middle-East, the Muslims would hand the Conservatives an electoral majority, instead of the irritating alliance with the Liberals whom they hate. They don’t hate Clegg and Cable who are ideologically with them, but they completely hate all forms of Liberal thought.
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    This gamble relies on the idea that if there is a bloodbath in the Middle-East, they can blame the Muslims. Yesterday there was a discussion on Syria on Radio 4 which replaced Newsnight. It was pointed out that in Muslim countries, revenge was the normal course, which portrays Islam as being a system of utter lawlessness, in which revenge and counter-revenge create chaos. Nothing could be further from the truth. This was the condition of the Arabs BEFORE Islam. The whole purpose of Shariah was to bring justice under state control, totally opposite to what is happening in Libya where Mr Belhadj is basking as a hero in the Islamic press, while mob rule and torture take place at the hands of the soldiers under his or his collueagues command.
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    Bombing is inevitable, and Iraqisation is inevitable. The likes of Belhadj and the CIA/MI6 and Saudi Qatar Salafis who sponsor them are liars of the first order, vying with eachother who can stretch the truth furthest from the truth of Islam.
    There is no magic political Tardis, Assad is telling the truth. There is only violence upon violence upon violence to come out of military intervention in Syria. Any one who denies this has had their eyes closed for the last fifteen years. Who is blind in this life will be raised blind in the next life. I for one am witness against the process now being started in the United Nations. I condemn it utterly before they even open their mouths.

  38. Russia and China have vetoed a UN resolution on Syria calling for regime change; a half-cocked William Hague with an Israeli dagger in his back said, “The Syrian regime’s actions display President Assad’s cold-blooded cynicism in the face of mounting international pressure for the UN security council to do its utmost to end the bloodshed… “The escalating violence underlines the critical importance of the security council adding its weight to the Arab League’s efforts to end the crisis in Syria.”
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    Yes Mr Hague, a crisis caused by the bloody conspiracy of the West to invoke civil war – do you really thing the ‘thinkin Brit’ believes your rhetoric?
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    Syria has seen a number of terrorist attacks. The terrorist attacked Syrian servicemen and military facilities, law enforcement agencies institutions, blasts on oil pipelines, railroads, murders and taking of hostage among peaceful citizens (In the city of Homs insurgents killed five well known scientists), arson of schools and killing of teachers (since March 2011, 900 schools have been set on fire and 30 teachers have been killed).
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    Terrorist attacks in Damascus became one of the bloodiest. Two of them were carried out on December 23, 2011 when cars loaded with explosives went off in front of the buildings of state security service killing 44 and injured about 150 people. On January 6, 2012 on a busy street a suicide bomber attack killed 26 and wounded 60. There were officers of the law enforcement agencies among the victims but most of the victims were occasional by-passers.
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    After terrorist attacks in Damascus demonstrations with slogans supporting Bashar Assad and condemning terrorists were held everyday. Similar demonstrations were organized in other large cities such as Aleppo, Homs, Hama, Daraa, Deir az Zor. These demonstrations were covered by the Syrian TV. During our stay in Syria we could move around the city freely and speak with people as we liked but we did not see any single anti-governmental rally. Most of the rallies’ participants were young people.

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    That is the truth Mr Hague, you know it and young enlightened people know it. You may hold hands with America and dominate secure banking messaging and secure banking electronic transfer but you cannot stop countries trading in gold for oil.
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    Economic war and sanctions murdered a million Iraqi children, this time we will stop the control psychopaths and this veto is only the beginning.

  39. p.s. There was jihad in the time of the prophet SAW, but not engineered by the special forces of the enemies of Islam, shoe-horned by Zionism, and paid for by the least just system of governance in the world, the Oil-rich Gulf states. You mix a bit of shit into the prison food and it becomes inedible at best or poisonous. I condemn William Hague and this Conservative government totally for their part in the de-stabilisation of Syria. I condemn Saudi-Arabia etc utterly for their sponsoring of violence for political jealousy after the West has handed iran and Iraq to their Shi’a rivals. I condemn the Al Qaida jihadists utterly for their twisting of Islam and their mixing of truth and untruth.

  40. Dick the Prick

    4 Feb, 2012 - 5:56 pm

    Pop you down as a maybe then lads? What on earth is happening in Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland other than the same economic war that’s being fought everywhere else? Why’s the Middle East different from Central America or Korea or Somalia? I just don’t see this conspiracy shit – I see guys with oil & drugs acting like gangsters and civil war or not, it feels that ‘western’ help doesn’t work.

  41. Put these in your pipe Mr Hague – and smoke it!
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    US Vetoes of Resolutions Against Israel, 1972-2011.
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    1. “…condemned Israel‘s attack against Southern against southern Lebanon and Syria…”
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    2. “…affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections…”
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    3. “…condemned Israel‘s air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians…”
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    4. “…called for self-determination of Palestinian people…”
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    5. “…deplored Israel‘s altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most world nations and the United Nations…”
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    6. “…affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people…”
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    7.“…endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people…”
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    8. “…demanded Israel‘s withdrawal from the Golan Heights…”
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    9. “…condemned Israel‘s mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva convention protocols of civilized nations…”
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    10. “…condemned an Israeli soldier who shot eleven Moslem worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount near Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem…”
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    11. “…urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon…”
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    12. “…urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut…”
    “…urged cutoff of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon…”
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    13. “…condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace…”
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    14. “…deplores Israel‘s brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urges its withdrawal…”
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    15. “…condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli ‘Iron Fist’ policy of repression…”
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    16. “…denounced Israel‘s violation of human rights in the occupied territories…”
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    17.“…deplored Israel‘s violence in southern Lebanon…”
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    18. “…deplored Israel‘s activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem that threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites…”
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    19. “…condemned Israel‘s hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane…”
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    20. “…deplored Israel‘s attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon…”
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    20. “…called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian intifada that violated the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and to formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations…”
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    21. “…urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israel‘s shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention, and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices…”
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    22. “…condemned Israel‘s… incursion into Lebanon…”
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    23. “…deplored Israel‘s… commando raids on Lebanon…”
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    24. “…deplored Israel‘s repression of the Palestinian intifada and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians…”
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    25. “…deplored Israel‘s violation of the human rights of the Palestinians…”
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    26. “…demanded that Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel‘s crackdown on the Palestinian intifada…”
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    27. “…called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands…”
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    28. “…confirmed that the expropriation of land by Israel, the occupying power, in East Jerusalem was invalid, and called upon the Government of Israel to rescind the expropriation orders and refrain from such action in the future.”
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    29. “…called on Israel to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations and responsibilities under the 1949 Geneva Convention” and to refrain from it’s policy of settlement expansion which “alter facts on the ground pre-empting final status negotiations, and have negative implications for the Middle East Peace Process;”
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    30. “…demanded that Israel immediately cease construction of the Jabal Abu Ghneim settlement in East Jerusalem as well as other Israeli settlement activities in the occupied territories.”
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    31“… requested an unarmed UN Observer force to be sent to the West Bank to help protect Palestinian civilians.”
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    32. “…requested the sending of a human rights monitoring force to the Occupied Territories and condemned all acts of terror, extra-judiciary killing, excessive use of force and house demolitions. Also expressed it determination to contribute to ending the violence and to prompting dialogue between Israeli and Palestinian sides.
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    33. “…condemned the killing by the Israeli occupying forces of
    several UN employees” and demanded that Israel, complied fully with the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War” and “refrained from the excessive and disproportionate use of force in the Occupied Palestinian Territory;”
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    34. “…demanded that Israel ceased threats to deport or harm Yasser Arafat, the elected President of the Palestinian Authority;”
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    35. “…decides that the construction by Israel, the occupying Power, of a wall in the Occupied Territories departing from the armistice line of 1949 is illegal under relevant provisions of international law and must be ceased and reversed;”
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    36. “…condemned Israel for the extra-judicial executions that killed Sheikh Ahmed Yassin along with six other Palestinians outside a mosque in Gaza City and calls for a complete cessation of extra-judicial executions by Israel
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    37. “…condemned the military incursion into Gaza and demanded the immediate cessation of all military operations in the area of Northern Gaza and the withdrawal of the Israeli occupying forces from that area;
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    38. “…condemned all acts of violence, terror and destruction during the Gaza conflict including rocket attacks by Hamas into Israel and the military assault being carried out by Israel.”
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    39. “…called upon the Palestinian Authority to take immediate and sustained action to bring an end to violence, including the firing of rockets on Israeli territory. Called upon Israel to immediately cease its military operations within Gaza and to immediately withdraw its forces to to positions prior to 28 June 2006, and expressed grave concern about the dire humanitarian situation of the Palestinian people.”
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    40. declared Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories were illegal and a “major obstacle to the achievement of a just, lasting and comprehensive peace”.
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  42. On Twitter:
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    BREAKING: BBC’s Jim Muir says activist groups in #Syria are revising down death toll in #Homs significantly from earlier figure of 200.
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    Local Coordinating Cttees now says 39 deaths in Khalidieh, 8 in other districts of #Homs, and 8 outside city. #syria
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    Figure of 200 was “provisional” – read that as you will.
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    ___________________________
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    Like until after the vote?? A Syrian girl (apparently in London) who was on the phone to Homs is getting local reports that the army was not shelling Homs, and that the 39 deaths are of Syrian soldiers earlier taken hostage by the “Free Syrian Army”.
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    Ali Abunimah tweets: “Syria videos that have emerged show military aged men dead/injured. Any showing images consistent with claimed civilian massacre?”
    – and meanwhile Rice throws a wobbly at the UNSC, yakking about freedom and human rights (the hypocrites) and then all the Yanks walk out.
    Arses.

  43. Three tweets I quoted above are from
    Stuart Hughes
    @stuartdhughes London
    BBC World Affairs Producer: Journalist, landmine survivor, amputee, cyclist, Billy’s daddy. Views expressed are mine, not the BBC’s.

  44. The Veto in the UN clearly indicates the extent of the overconfidence of the belligerents to take for granted the acquiescence of the other powers, in the dash for expansion of the US empire. The choreographed and orchestrated attacks on the Syrian embassies around the world, and the constant update of the tally of the dead on the “news” hour after hour, in the build up to the vote, were designed to maximise the pressures on the UNSC, to pass on a resolution that would have legalised yet another leg of the expansion of the US empire.
    ,
    This rejection of the plots and machinations to turn Syria into a semi destroyed vassal state, is the first phase of the warning; world is sick and tired of US et al warmongering, and has had enough of destruction and mass murder that has been under way, for the duration of the first decade of the 21st century.

  45. Well said Fedup.

  46. Well said Fedup and thanks Mark and Nuid. I hope Sky and ZBC are reading this and noting the FACTS.

    .
    Throughout the day, they were both leading with Homs and even upping the figures. A breathless Sky reporter was outside the Syrian Embassy where a violent protest was taking place (a rabble) and then live from the UN giving a lot of time to the Zionist US UN Ambassador, Susan Rice.

  47. Arthur Askey

    4 Feb, 2012 - 8:37 pm

    Now watch Turkey.

  48. Well said Fedup. Btw Abu Ni’mah is the correct spelling, Ni’mah ( meaning blessing ) being my wife’s name .

  49. A Grade 1 five storey building in Grafton Street, Mayfair caught fire yesterday and is badly damaged.
    .
    It it interesting to see where the ownership resides and indicative of how the 1% manage their financial affairs. Not many, if any, of the homes of the 99% are registered offshore I would surmise.
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    ‘Grafton Street is a mix of hugely expensive homes and commercial properties.
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    It is thought the homeowner was not at home when the fire began but his personal staff were.
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    The owner arrived this morning to describe to firefighters the building’s layout before moving, with his employees, to a hotel.
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    The Grade 1 listed building was sold in March 2007 for £13 million.
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    It is owned by Taradale Offshore Limited, incorporated in the British Virgin Islands, but based in St Helier, Jersey.
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    http://www.london24.com/news/mayfair_fire_blaze_in_13m_grafton_street_house_under_control_1_1198551
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    Next question. Who is the owner?

  50. The Indie went for the ‘it’s China and Russia’s fault, therefore, it’s your fault (if you side with them)’ in a big way. The only thing missing was a browser plugin that sprays the blood of Syrian innocents over you as you choose to check out the football scores instead – “You callous bastard! How can you be reading about Manchester City at a time like this??? We need your outrage to advance our wish for war, sorry, ‘humanitarian intervention’…”
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/assads-forces-free-to-bomb-dissenters-as-russia-and-china-veto-un-resolution-6436540.html
    .
    I was reading Chomskey’s Hegemony or Survival again last night and he talks about the ‘two superpowers’ now as being the US and world public opinion.
    .
    Well, world public opinion appears to be in the ascendance lately. The kleptocrats may have to regroup.

  51. chomsky* I wouldn’t correct it, but I’ll look a total dingus otherwise.

  52. Kingfelix Is Lebedev’s ownership influencing their agenda on Syria? Yesterday the front page was given to Donald McIntyre’s piece on Iran -
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/drums-of-war-beat-louder-as-iran-and-israel-step-up-rhetoric-6358873.html.
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    On 25 March 2010, Independent News & Media sold the newspaper to Alexander Lebedev for a £1 fee and £9.25m over the next 10 months, since closing the Independent and its Sunday title would have cost £28m and £40m respectively, due to long-term contracts.[2][9] In 2009, Lebedev had bought a controlling stake in the London Evening Standard.

  53. 100 Con MPs protest to Cameron on wind farm subsidy.
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    {http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16893018~
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    Oh dear that will affect SamCam’s daddy who has one on his estate and plans to extend.
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038898/Samantha-Camerons-father-plans-wind-turbines-Britains-glorious-landscapes–YOU-helping-pay-it.html
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    PS Whatever else is said about the Mail, their investigative journalists are good. I just can’t bear the silly sleb stuff on the RH margin.

  54. Off Topic: Arab League investigation into Syria (Allegedly)

    http://www.columbia.edu/~hauben/Report_of_Arab_League_Observer_Mission.pdf

  55. The Daily Mail is weird. If you collect all the articles you agree with, and ignore all the others, it can seem a very progressive paper. The trouble is, that applies no matter what your starting point. I can’t think of a more self-contradictory paper. I think they print anything so long as it’s extreme enough in any direction. In the end, it feeds polarisation, and thus it feeds conflict.

  56. http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-politics/4271-labour-sinks-to-record-polling-low-under-lamont
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    This is what happens when you give people an option to the left of the Lab/Lib/Con monster: the monster dies. C’mon Ingo, get your new party going!

  57. What a disgusting pit of reptiles and apologists for Baathist fascists this blog is becoming. The fact is that Assad has been murdering his people for many years – and whether his latest shelling of civilian areas killed scores or hundreds is quite frankly an irrelevance.

    Robert Fisk and his fellow journalists on the Independent are more than aware of what is happening

    http://www.independent.co.uk/hei-fi/news/robert-fisk-what-kind-of-syria-can-survive-this-bitter-battle-for-existence-6297766.html?origin=internalSearch
    http://www.independent.co.uk/hei-fi/news/robert-fisk-what-kind-of-syria-can-survive-this-bitter-battle-for-existence-6297766.html?origin=internalSearch

    Or have they now been bought by the Quataris or someone else.

    Those of us with longer memories might of course remember that the Assad dynasty has form when it comes to under reporting the figures from its massacres
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_massacre. The apologists might of course wish to explain why they have supported such thuggery for so long – is it that they are stupid or is it just that they are being paid well fro their work?

  58. Mary

    Given that is pretty well know that Russians pay people to make comments on blogs (see Luke Harding’s recent books for example) – one might want to ask questions about your own ownership interest – I have seen very little, if anything, on your part that is critical of Putin. The frequent accusations of trollery and being paid for commenting might also, as is often the case, might point to one’s own failings??

  59. Anon, the matter is distortion of the news to drum up support for another US led war, not support of “Baathist fascists”.
    .
    You’re falling into the same trap that I accused the Daily Mail of setting above. Polarisation that supports conflict.

  60. Clark your analysis of the Mail is correct. They did however, via Miles Goslett and Tim Shipman and presumably with the editor’s support, keep up the pressure on the case for an inquest for Dr David Kelly, whereas no other part of the corporate media did so.

    In that link about wind farm subsidies, a right wing paper is being critical of the PM’s father in law. Surely that is a good exposure. They have also kept up the pressure on identifying the chicanery of Blair’s financial affairs.

    PS Just to say that the fascists are elsewhere Anon.

  61. Anon, rather than speculating about or misrepresenting the opinions of people such as Mary, why don’t you just ask them what they think of the likes of Assad? Or do your assumptions serve you better?

  62. @ Kingfelix. From one dingus to a wannabe dingus , it does not hurt….;) as long as I understand the guist of what you are posting I shall never call you a dingus, what is it?

    @Vrosnky Me, a new party, did you just plisten to the complete works of Brahms, non stop? This is something to be sorted in each and everyopne’s conscience. If those grumblers frequenting this blog from far and wide, still want to vote and grumble after they voted for the same lot again in the next election, then thats their prerogative.
    If on the other hand they want to have somebody to vote for with progressive thinking and ideas, themselves’ :) , provide an Independent candidate who is not aligned to CFI’s, TNC’s and or is licking the BBC’s backside, then this is something to be discussed.
    Should there be more than a few willing to plant the thorny roses of an English spring, as a coalition of Independents with a progressive list of questions, ready for voters to give them a mandate, if there are enough of us to commit to a long term strategy, then I will be part of it. Longterm, there is nothing more deprerssing and frustrating to represent the spitting candle, only alight for the jamjar holding it, in a raging storm, and have it blown out, something we would have to accept, unless the general public all in a suddden wakes up from their genetically pre disposed political dream of electing the main parties forever, inbred politico masochism would be another term for it.
    You brought this subject up Vronsky, see what you have done now. BTW. I’d love to try challenging my throat at the low C competition, have been gurgling at low refs. for decades now…

  63. Mary, I agree that the Daily Mail’s rather odd approach to news certainly does get some interesting material into the Mainstream Media that we wouldn’t see there otherwise. It can be useful for linking.
    .
    What on Earth must it be like to work at the Daily Mail? Do they need security doors between the various offices to prevent the opposing factions from strangling each other?

  64. A few important links regarding Syria:

    The Arab League agenda in Syria, which produced, surprisingly, a quite balanced report
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB04Ak01.html

    Report itself: see comment above by TSF

    Article by Boris Dolgov, a Russian scientist, member of recent international delegations to Syria:

    http://www.voltairenet.org/What-Is-Really-Going-On-In-Syria

  65. Clark

    Mary never answers direct questions – but more than happy for her to answer the question you raise.

    Unless there is some recognition that Assad’s regime is abusing human rights – and that this needs to be addressed, then i fail to see how any resolution is possible. Just denying the obvious is more likely to result in civil war and the involvement of other states.

  66. Anon, are you going back to be Anon again? I thought you changed your user name here?? Please do not confuse me!

  67. Clark, I think they don’t DM journo’s have problems with switching off from work, do you? I’m sure they still sit and drink together. I put it down to P.Dacre playing both side’s, trying to attract as many readers as possible.

  68. Arthur Askey

    5 Feb, 2012 - 11:42 am

    “Unless there is some recognition that Assad’s regime is abusing human rights – and that this needs to be addressed, then i fail to see how any resolution is possible.”
    _
    No one argues that the Syrian regime is based on a Stasi style police state or that it has an appalling record on human rights, which can be confirmed by their involvement in rendition and torture on behalf of the US government in the early days of the ‘war on terror’.
    _
    If the abuses of the Assad regime, putting aside the baseless stories appearing in the recent orchestrated media campaign, are to be addressed then why not the clear abuses of the US, NATO or Israel?
    _
    The point is that the Syrian regime is being demonised by the media in order to sway public opinion to accept yet another unnecessary military involvement by NATO, the geopolitical motivations for which are glaringly obvious and have absolutely nothing to do with human rights abuses.

  69. @Ingo
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    You would have to believe that there is something very genetically different about the Scots that they will support a vaguely social democratic party against all the right-wing alternatives (and in the teeth of a uniformly hostile media) but somehow the English would not. I don’t believe that and I bet you don’t – so what jam jar do we have that the English lack? This is an important question: why cannot a radical party arise in England?
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    The media (principally the BBC) present a narrow section of the political spectrum, way off to the ultraviolet right, as ‘centrist’ and ‘respectable’. All outwith is dubbed ‘extremism’ if not actually terrorism of some kind. The wonderful thing to be is a ‘moderate’ – someone who doesn’t question this. But while a factor in public acquiescence to the status quo, this is not adequate explanation – we have seen how Scots seem easily capable of ignoring the prevailing propaganda. I’m trying to think hard about why the SNP seems to be succeeding (at least thus far) when no similar political force exists in England. So some thoughts:
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    A central belief which can unite a disparate group of people and serve as a discipline. I have often heard acrimonious debates peacefully ended with ‘Oh, come on – we all want independence, don’t we?’
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    Freedom to speak the truth. The others don’t have this and it tells.
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    A zest for on-the-street campaigning, with plenty of young people to do it. The big parties don’t have the membership.
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    The resilience to continue through many years of unrelieved failure, content with small incremental gains. This means it’s a poor place for careerists – only the committed apply (though I guess that’s going to change).
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    Talent of all sorts – radicals attract it. Note that the SNP has the most sophisticated campaigning software in existence – written for free by members.
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    There’s probably something critical that I don’t see because I’m too much among it, but that’s my attempt at being helpful. Must go and start the Sunday dinner now.

  70. Anon, you never ask direct questions, only leading ones.

  71. Another article by the far right propaganda machine the BBC, no mention of the undemocratic closing down off Press tv.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16874177
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    Its all about people with already blood drenched hands getting ownership of the Iranian oil fields, start telling it as it is BBC, you are the bubonic plague of media information.

  72. Vronsky, limited proportional representation helps. The trouble with “starting a new political party” is that it in England, it can only further fragment an already fragmented opposition. FPTP voting is divide-and-rule in another guise.

  73. Airdrieonian

    5 Feb, 2012 - 12:30 pm

    This is a wee bit “chicken and egg”, but studies relate lower cognitive ability and affinity with right-wing ideology.

    http://pss.sagepub.com/content/23/2/187.full

  74. Vronsky
    ‘why cannot a radical party arise in England?’
    The people at the centre of the discussion, The Muslims, when they arrive in this country no doubt with plenty of agendaagainst UK foreign policy, see more advantage in brown-nosing to these ultra violet political parties that in raising their valid cause in their own parties. Is this because the only people who seek refuge here are greedy, self-serving, heartless political manipulators, or is it because they are forced by the ultraviolet parties do do their bidding for them?
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    The Qur’an tells us that the Jews’ hearts became harder than stones. That is what the Muslims who arrive here have become. They voluntarily form a natural alliance with the Israel-friendly ultraviolet parties, because ideologically and emotionally they are the same. For a political party to form which opposes the violence being wrought on the Muslims, by non-Muslims about Muslim issues is a bit like asking France to surrender her sovereignty back to the Queen. It is the Muslims’ fault entirely that the ones who arrive here have more in common with Zionism than with the truth of Islam. Until you correct that, you will inevitably have a mandate for brutal colonial war in Muslim countries. Every Muslim says’ It’s not my problem. All I want to do is fill my pockets and hide from the problem.’
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    There is a solid bloc of Islam in this country, from Arab to Deobandi who want to feed their grievances about UK foreign policy with racism against the English, and another bloc who want to bury their heads in Sufism.
    Blaming the English for the policies of the UK friends of Israel on us ordinary citizens is a big turn-off for opponents of UK state violence, and to be honest the UK has enough of its own home-grown mystical hypocrisy, without adding Sufism to its list of weird religions.
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    That’s why there is not a political party being formed to counter UK state terrorism.

  75. Guest: They forget that they have told us (while ago) that BBC signals have been jammed and Iranian cannot watch it any more or listen to BBC radio, and now they tell us that BBC is watched by huge number of Iranian! I would like to know how?

  76. Arthur Askey

    It is possible to want to see Assad removed and at the same time not want to see US military intervention to achieve such an end. This is of course what Syrians want to see. Perhaps those who advocate the do nothing (or worse) approach might reflect that such an approach narrows rather than increases the range of alternatives. Didn’t the appeasement of Hitler and the do nothing approach actaully increase the chance of WW2 happening?

  77. “The Qur’an tells us that the Jews’ hearts became harder than stones.”

    Where?

  78. > The Qur’an tells us that the Jews’ hearts became harder than stones
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    Maybe it does, I’ll wager there is plenty of racist material in all holy books. Let us remember that the Israeli people are comprised of a wide body of opinions, left and right, anti-militarist and militarist. There are some good protest groups in Israel, many of whom are against the occupation.
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    Interestingly, I think the Israeli media is much more likely to reflect this range of views than the international media does of the Israeli public.

  79. @Anon – would you give yourself a name, so as to distinguish yourself from other Anons?

  80. Iran offered the UK, France and Germany, a nuclear deal in 2005.
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    Peter Jenkins, Britain’s former IAEA envoy said, “with hindsight, that offer should have been snapped up. It wasn’t, because our objective was to put a stop to all enrichment in Iran. That has remained the West’s aim ever since, despite countless Iranian reminders that they are unwilling to be treated as a second-class party to the NPT – with fewer rights than other signatories – and despite all the evidence that the Iranian character is more inclined to defiance than buckling under pressure.”
    .
    Correct Peter except for one ‘small’ point – Britain and America are gunning for regime change in Iran and so called ‘sanctions’ – a strange word for ‘strangulation’ or chocking the pipe that feeds a country’ – are ‘curtain raisers’ for war and with it the complete destruction of a countries infrastructure together with the murder and mutilation of it’s people – as history records with the massacre of Iraq, the ‘no fly zone’ crushing of Libya for strategic resources and agent Cameron’s threats to Somalia.
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9033566/The-deal-the-West-could-strike-with-Iran.html
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    We are sick of this bullying by a depleted, outrageous and frenzied clique of Western allies, hell bent on domination. Yet domination without the will of the world’s people is delusion, ignus fatuus, self-deception and trickery egged on and screwed into people’s mind by a corrupt, obliging, bigoted and false main stream media ranked in line behind the Royal sword held by an outmoded, slavish and benign British Broadcasting Corporation that is fed by the pockets of a mooning British public intoxicated by the trivia spoon-fed into their minds on a daily if not, minute by minute pushed delivery.

  81. Mark Golding – Children of Iraq. Quite right, which is why, in some ways I am happy that China and Russia have vetoed western attempts (i.e. NATO member states of the UN) to further destabilise Syria as a stepping-stone to Iran. It has outraged Voice of America:
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    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Activists-Syrian-Troops-Kill-More-Than-217-in-Homs-138736879.html
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    So it must have done something right! I feel sorry for Syrians who are seeking a more democratic election process, but the greed of the west has got to stop. NATO leaves more devastation and disruption in its wake, while mineral resources are stolen by companies like Tony Buckingham’s Heritage Oil. China and Russia should have played the veto card before Libya. Enough is enough. If needs be they should back this up with commitment of support to stop the US, UK and Israel from achieving its proposed and evil transformation of the middle east.

  82. ” it can only further fragment an already fragmented opposition.”
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    Clark, you are one of the most intelligent and common sense people that I have ever come acoss (imho), you must know there is no real opposition to the far right in the houses of Parliament. They are all in the same party annaxed into three sectors, they are just looking to gain an extra advantage to be elected to government to procure even greater opportunities to add to their own individual wealth, Blair done extremely well using this system.

  83. ”it can only further fragment an already fragmented opposition.”
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    Like Guest, I’m afraid I see no opposition, fragmented or otherwise. Besides, your view is a counsel of despair. Remember that the SNP grew in Scotland under FPTP, and in fact PR was stipulated for the Scottish Parliament in order to halt the SNP (whoops!). Subsequently the laughingly titled Liberal Democrats made PR in local government a condition of their support for the egregious Jack McConnell as First Minister, yet another Labour leader who, like his predecessor and successor, soon had staying out of jail as his principle project.

  84. anon
    Authu billahi minashshaytanirrajeem
    Surah 2 Al-Baqarah verse 74
    ‘Then, after that, your ( The Jews ) hearts were hardened and became as stones or even worse in hardness. And indeed, there are stones out of which rivers gush forth, and indeed, there are, of them (stones) which split asunder so that water flows from them, and indeed, there are, of them, (stones) which fall down for fear of Allah. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.’
    Are you saying God is racist, anon? Salam to you.

  85. This parable is told by Jesus pbuh about Muslims who have been given knowledge and responsibility by Allah, but they get tired of waiting for Allah’s help to come to them. They start making problems for the ordinary people under them like the mujahideen in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.
    .

    Gospel of St Luke 12:41-48
    21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

    41Then Peter said unto Him, “Lord, speakest Thou this parable unto us, or even to all?”

    42And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

    43Blessed is that servant whom his lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing.

    44In truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

    45But if that servant say in his heart, `My lord delayeth his coming,’ and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink and be drunken,

    46the lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him asunder and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

    47And that servant, who knew his lord’s will and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

  86. @John Goss: “Syrians who are seeking a more democratic election process”.

    I hope this was a joke.

  87. Anon said:
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    “It is possible to want to see Assad removed and at the same time not want to see US military intervention to achieve such an end.”
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    This is my position. If it’s to be reduced to ‘do nothing’ vs ‘US military intervention’ then I will go for ‘do nothing’.
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    HRC was there tonight calling for formation of a ‘friends of Syria’ etc. The US wants to invade, another Libya. I was against that intervention, too, fearing that a ‘success’ would simply mean another intervention in months. Here it is.
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    I am basically against the idea that US imperialism aligns with the interests of the planet as a whole, and particularly against the idea that, despite whatever short-term gains might be made by a country’s citizenry that begs for intervention. Also, there is a further reflexive component to this, in that no less worthy substitutes know that if they agitate for an intervention from the US, they can then take the top table and cut the deal with the US. This is pretty much the Libya thing, isn’t it? A change of management, and then slicing up the pie with the oil giants. That was pretty much the perspective of tonight’s Moroccan guest at the table tonight.
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    What’s going on in Syria doesn’t strike me as belonging to the order of ‘the real’, but is stage-managed. 200 deaths before the UNSC vote became 40 after, etc.
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    If the aim of Russia/China is to positively bring to a close US expansion, then it’s not possible to be swayed by one day’s violence. If anything can frustrate the US and its allies into a less aggressive approach in the Middle East, I will support it for the long-term benefits it may bring. Otherwise, it looks as if we’re doomed to sit through the realization of the taking out of a sequence of states that ends with Iran as related by Wesley Clark in his speech on the ‘foreign policy coup’ (that I suppose we’ve all seen)
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY2DKzastu8

  88. Guano

    And in what context was that remark made? It seems to be in response to a particular event rather than the more universal context in which you are now applying it.

  89. In the long term it might have been possible to get rid of Assad from the inside, weren’t it for the haste and intent of a few neocons slightly behind schedule and who have accelerated this process using our soldiers, idiots with an all conquering neurosis and a gun for a dick. Like Cheney for example, should he be left to contemplate his life’s mistakes and repent,dropped somewhere in the Equadorian jungle, until he runs out of batteries, or gets home experienced by his natural retreat.
    This people are Straussians they have been taught by rightwing ultra’s many at Chicago’s university, who has a reputation for giving jobs to Nazi bigots, who then in turn argue their racialist policies and ueber Mensch philosopies to those who now float the boat of US policy. Their actions are within Government, but outside it they represents all sorts of secuirty and military interests, from Carlyle to John Goss friend Tony B., forgive my jest, they command puppets in Government and have managed to subvert US foreign policy something rotten, dare I say cost taxpayers dearly, over there and here, where the CFI seems to run the show in the main parties, greased by the palms of some influential rich people with, should they believe in Netanyahu, murderous minds.
    It looks like we are barking too late British foreign policy has been subverted and the plot is international.

    Now, somebody, write the script. The points of reversal are visible and known, so why is there no progressive entety striving to oust these neocons?

  90. Vronsky, you wrote: “your view is a counsel of despair”. You’re right, I do despair sometimes. I’m tempted to move to Scotland, where my opposition could be turned to a useful vote.
    .
    But there IS opposition here. The swing towards the LibDems in the last election was the votes of some of the opposition, not that it’s done any good. It might have done, had parliament ended up more balanced, but the Tories rallied towards the vote and nearly gained an overall majority (thank you, Mainstream Media). The swing towards the Greens in the ’80s was the same opposition – fragmented, see? But all such swings get nowhere, because under FPTP, to know which opposition stands a chance and is thus worth voting for, you need to know the result before the election.

  91. Clark – move!
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    I left in 2004. I have yet to live anywhere where a ‘useful vote’ is possible to cast – Eire, when the parties were all in thrall to the Celtic Tiger, the US, in a solid blue state, Guatemala, where your vote may or not be counted, and now, Taiwan, where both mainstream parties have almost identical platforms.
    .
    For all that, given the three main parties in the UK all featured manifesto commitments to continue the good work in Afghanistan, which was the one issue that would have secured my vote (yes, there was always the BNP…), then I tend to think ‘useful vote’ is a beautiful idea, but more rarely sighted than the unicorn.
    .
    Looking at the various social protests swirling around, it seems innumerable people are reaching a similar conclusion.

  92. Anon the one and only

    5 Feb, 2012 - 5:20 pm

    Jon

    For the record all the anon posts on this thread are mine.

    King Felix

    So you want to get rid of Assad and don’t want Syria reduced to a “do nothing” vs “US imperialism” conflict. So what is the something you want to see in order to remove Assad? I would have thought UN resolutions, pressure on Russia and China, Arab League pressure, support for the Syrian opposition (most of whom have alos made clear that they don’t want foreign military intervention) all candidates for consideration. One of the saddest things in the world to day I’m afraid is the paucity of thinking about how to remove tyrants – which amounts to “do nothing” by many who oppose US imperialism. Some of course are even worse, and result to abuse against anyone who doesn’t buy into the “do nothing” line.

    As to what is happening in Syria not belonging to the order of the “real” – you should perhaps note that this is not a view shared by commentators such as Robert Fisk, who are normally considered as more than reliable by those who share your viewpoint or even George Galloway after Assad shelled Palestininian refugees at Latakia.

  93. Anon the one and only

    5 Feb, 2012 - 5:24 pm

    Clark

    Don’t be fooled – nationalism and progressive politics never make long term bedfellows, as was pointed out by Orwell in his Lion and the Unicorn essay.

  94. Anon The One and Only
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    I don’t ‘want rid’ of Assad. No more than I expect to be entitled to pick and choose the leaders of any other country. I think that attitude is a major part of the problem, and this sense of entitlement/moral duty to intervene is what the US and its allies cultivate among its populations to facilitate their interventions, which, however, are turned towards completely different goals to ‘democracy’ or ‘protecting life’ etc.
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    If there is a Syrian opposition movement forming, then the usual means of supporting them can be pursued, it’s not a new situation. Ingo has it right that instead of show some patience, the neocons present these things as requiring action ‘now’ – and again, the public are wired up for this sort of instant gratification these days.
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    I agree, Robert Fisk is a reliable voice on these issues. However, the ownership of the Independent does seem to be making a difference to coverage of this particular issue.
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    When Madeline Albright can calmly state that hundreds of thousands of children’s deaths were ‘a price worth paying’ in Iraq, then, I believe, it’s important not to suffer a lack of perspective over the scale of events in Syria, regrettable as they may be, and go along with this false choice.
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    To clarify, what I really meant was that I’d support anything *but* US military intervention in Syria, if it would rein in the violence there. But HRC looked tonight as if she was recruiting villains from the underworld for another Oceans Eleven-style caper a la Libya.

  95. Anon
    If you don’t believe, you don’t believe. The context of the passage is that at the start of the Qur’an God addresses the Children of Israel who were removed from the custodianship of keepers of the religion of Islamic monotheism, and tells them one by one why they were finally removed from that position.

  96. The problem in Syria is that although Assad has no legitimacy, the Alqiada Islamists who are being backed by USUKIS also have no legitimacy at all. Look at what they have ‘achieved’ together in Iraq and Afghanistan in the last decade or more.
    Why would Russia (after Chechnya) or China (after Tibet) be considered better brokers of power in the Middle East than any of these?
    The solution to the problem is democracy. Russia and China cannot prove legitimacy to be elected into a democracy. The Mujahideen have to apologise again after the mistakes made in Iraq and Libya, as Usama bin laden apologised for the mistakes in Afghanistan. Why would Muslim not accept Muslim authority if the Muslims concerned had not broken every principle of their faith in front of the worlds eyes over a decade, and stubbonly refused to admit their share of the blame in the violence and lawlessness of these countries. it takes a man to admit his mistakes, but these guys are disgustingly sheltering under the petticoats of NATO.
    They have to disconnect totally from UK, US, IS, Iranian, political confederacy and wait to be invited on their own platform for the people to choose. It’s no good pretending that the democratic achievements of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Tunisia have not been won as fraudulently as the elections that were held under previous dictators.
    Syria needs democracy like Palestine, but the world powers will refuse to accept the Muslims getting into power without them being bound hand and foot to them, to do their will and fulfil their plan for them. It’s not a joke. The West has to back down and face the reality that they have lost the War on Terror, and power must now go peacefully from the losers to the Muslim people.

  97. Guano, I think religions may be like politics; it gets corrupted with time. The ones who crave power see opportunity in subverting such structures, so a process of infiltration and corruption begins. Thus Jesus was needed to point out the corruption in the Jewish structure of that time, and Islam in its turn was needed to do the same for Christianity and Judaism both. From what you write about portions of Islam, another change is needed now.
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    True religion is the relationship between individuals and God. God is everywhere and available to all, so suspect anyone who attempts to mediate.

  98. Gauno, our comments crossed; I was replying to your 6:17 pm comment. Yes, corruption, headstrong willfulness, no humility anywhere among the violent and those who crave power over others. Yes, let the Will of the People prevail, for the ordinary people see the heart of God better than the power brokers, who are blind to all but their own cravings.

  99. @Clark, absolutely. I’ve said it before, somewhat tongue in cheek: “for religion to flourish in a healthy way, we should ban churches”. All religious institutions have become a mechanism for social control, as well as a way of usurping wealth. It also gets in the way of a private spiritual relationship with one’s creator, for those who wish to have one.

  100. Guano, sorry, my brain isn’t working right. I should have written: “I was replying to your 5:59 pm comment.

  101. MerkinOnParis

    5 Feb, 2012 - 7:00 pm

    We must support the legitimate government of Syria in the face of aggression from the US/UK.
    Simple.

  102. Jon, I rather like a Quaker sticker I saw;
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    THOU SHALT
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    decide for yourself!

  103. MerkinOnParis, yes, that is the repugnant position that US/UK etc. aggression places us in. Just like Libya. Just like Iraq.

  104. Anon the one and only

    5 Feb, 2012 - 7:29 pm

    Even if one is to accept the premise that Baathist fascism is better for Syria than UK/US etc aggression – and is just the better of two bad choices, as you also consider was the case in Iraq and Libya – could you just please apply a little thinking as to how such Hobson’s choices might be avoided. It isn’t as although Ghadaffi/Saddam/the Assads and Western Imperialism never gave anyone a long enough lead time to come up with alternatives.

    Personally, I don’t think the West wants to get involved in direct military action in Syria if it can be avoided, and there are an awful lot of other things that can be done first. Just imagine how things might have been much better if the UN had taken effective action against Saddam after he broke international law and used WMDs against the Kurds and Iranians and invaded Kuwait??

  105. Clark
    Thanks for your reply:’ Yes, let the Will of the People prevail, for the ordinary people see the heart of God better than the power brokers, who are blind to all but their own cravings.’
    Amen

  106. John Goss,
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    I too feel sorry for the Syrians because as we both know Syria was targeted with Western false-flag attacks for a number of specific reasons which I outlined in an earlier post from a whistle-blower involved in training anti-Assad forces. Those specific reasons have become clearer to me and I expose them here:
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    In Iran, in 1951 an internationally illegal British naval embargo, asset freeze and sanctions against a democratic government headed by Dr. Mossadegh, was followed by regime change in Tehran via a 1953 Anglo-American engineered coup d’état. The 1953 coup transformed the Shah of Iran from a constitutional figure-head to an absolute monarch and dictator, like the monarchs of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Qatar. Iran was transformed overnight from a democratic constitutional monarchy into a dictatorship.
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    William Hague has called today’s sanctions on Iran, “peaceful and legitimate” – the language of justice and honour that hides false pretexts about so called Iranian nuclear WMD and the recent capability to launch these phantoms and reach British and American shores (but not in 45 minutes).
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    William Hague has a short term ambition of regime change on his agenda and a longer term objective of surrounding and weakening the People’s Republic of China by denying her the daily 543,000 oil barrels per day, a figure obtained from the IEA. Iran’s other large customers are India, Turkey, Japan, and South Korea. India imports 341,000 barrels per day from Iran, Turkey imports 370,000 barrels per day from Iran, Japan imports 251,000 barrels per day from Iran, and South Korea imports 239,000 barrels per day from Iran.
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    China is fully aware of UK/US intentions and indeed has said she has provisionally agreed according to my contact in Tehran to stockpile Chinese strategic reserves that would fill a large portion of the vacuum left by the EU embargo, about 18% of Iranian oil exports. Iran of course will also find new buyers.
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    Hague thinks that denying Iran a means to transact through the International banking system he can use medieval ‘weaken by siege’ mentality to cause a ‘surrender’ within the Tehran castle. He knows that Iran has broadened its move away from the use of the American dollar and the Euro as policy in bilateral trade relations. Now Iran and India are talking about gold payments for Iranian oil. Iranian and Russian trade is conducted in Iranian rials and Russian roubles, while Iranian trade with China and other Asian countries is conducted using the Chinese renminbi, Iranian rial, Japanese yen, and other non-dollar and non-euro currencies.
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    The Iranian Parliament is now passing legislation to cut oil exports to the members of the EU that will be part of the sanctions regime until they rescind the Iranian oil sanctions. The Iranian move will be a blow to a weak euro, especially since the EU will not have time to prepare for the Iranian energy cuts.
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    I believe Mr Hague you will shoot yourself in the foot because Washington really wants a weak Euro and the U.S. together with Germany and some other East European members are working together against strategic economic rivals and other markets. What the European Union is doing is merely weaken itself and giving the American dollar the upper hand in its currency rivalry against the Euro. Moreover, should the euro collapse, the American dollar will quickly fill much of the void.
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    Despite the fact that Russia will benefit from higher oil prices and greater leverage over E.U. energy security as a supplier, the Kremlin has also warned the EU that it is working against its own interests and subordinating itself to Washington.
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    The so called ‘liberation’ of Libya served a number of purposes, the main aim being to drive China out of Africa while ensuring the NATO incursion secured oil output from Libya, because there was a very real chance that the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya under Gaddafi could have suspended oil sales to the EU in support of Syria or Iran in possible conflicts with the U.S and Israel. Libyan oil protected by UK ex special forces will be rerouted from China to the EU.
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    The psychological fear generated by the falling towers in 2001 has been exploited ‘to the max’ and Iran understands time is a friend and it must keep to its present course, undeterred by sanctions. Such action must finally break a psychological threshold that globally discourages countries from opposing the United States control (including media control)and catalyse growing social opposition to Washington, which will eventually manifest in the worlds political and economic arenas with continued help from people and their countries who refuse to bow down to what is left of the Bush/Obama Administration. The prestige and power of the US is finite and the 3000 citizens who died unexpectively in 2001 did not die in vain. America will eventually shrink back behind its borders leaving Great Britain dangerously exposed to economic collapse.

  107. Anon 1&O, you wrote “Even if one is to accept the premise that Baathist fascism is better for Syria than UK/US etc aggression…” (my emph.)
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    We don’t need to speculate. Iraq, Libya. Look at the carnage “humanitarian intervention” has unleashed. Fighting fire with gasoline just makes things worse. Duh.
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    Has the West been selling Assad his weapons and tools of oppression by any chance? His regime has been useful for rendition, I believe.

  108. Jon at 6.57
    Agree sort of – and yet, and yet…

    Even if you strip away all the corrupt customs that Clark refers to – rip off blindfolds, unblock ears, soften hearts and open minds – loads of NT parables on these themes – and get back to the purity of the original message – we are still left with a “community of saints” of a sort – Xian language, but IMO applicable to men and women of good will – and I have met plenty of people of all faiths and none who fit that bill; those who do not want to convert, control, who “love” others and who yearn for “peace on earth and goodwill to all men”

    So doesn’t a “private spiritual relationship” also have a social aspect too?

  109. Anon 1&O, you also wrote: “Personally, I don’t think the West wants to get involved in direct military action in Syria if it can be avoided…”
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    Well I can hear the Drums of War. Can’t you? Are you suggesting it’s just the Mainstream Media? They worked hand-in-glove with the Western Warmongers in my other two examples.

  110. Rose, you wrote “So doesn’t a “private spiritual relationship” also have a social aspect too?” – Yes, of course. If you love the creator then you love all that is created, and that includes the people around you.
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    (Evangelical evolutionists – I accept evolution and use “creation” in its broadest sense. Please tolerate my use of language.)

  111. Mark
    Interesting statistics, but you are missing the point completely by talking about them.
    The important issue is how it comes about that this country has been fighting wars of illegal aggression in which Millions of Muslims have died in primary or secondary action.
    It comes about because the Islamists who have been funded and managed by this country and the enemies of Islam the Zionists in Israel and washington, make Takfir of all od the Muslims who are not completely complying with the rules of Islam. We have had 2 days of feasting and music on Kurdish TV for celebration of the prophet’s SAW birthday, which is justification in AlQaida’s minds to allow them to be murdered by the million wherever USUKIS is operating. They themselves make the enemies of Islam their Wali/advisor which is categorically forbidden in Islam, but they actively or passively have caused the deaths of millions of Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia and Libya because they believe that they are not practising their faiths properly. This vile and completely unacceptable hypocrisy is funded by bribery from the enemies of Islam.
    It really does not matter to me that Iran is selling its oil to country A or B by currency C or D. What matters to me is that the Islamist allies of the West do not consider the deaths of the majority of Muslims to be important.
    Therefore they have conspired with their Zionist allies to wage terror. In Iraq, previously they sold maybe 40 million Kurdish to Saddam Hussain in order to bring about Western intervention, because they did not regard these Kurdish people as proper Muslims. The genocides in these countries have been directly caused by and empowered by their own brothers and sisters who are happy about the massacring of those they count as disbelievers.
    No wonder William Hague thinks he can achieve his goals in Syria and Iran through oil sanctions, because he knows that the AlQaida and Zionists are going to shoulder most of the burden of genociding the populations for him. The blame for 90% of the deaths falls on AlQaida and its Takfir-ing of the Muslims.
    They love, as someone said earlier, spraying Muslim blood.
    It makes me sick that most of them are bringing up their families in the double-wife luxury of London, £30 k for wife one and £30 K for wifey 2, under political asylum, because they have managed to convince the UK government that they are innocent victims of political oppression. they are the ones who have initiated the genocides in their countries, and the extremism of their beliefs and deeds is just too far-fetched for the soft European imagination to conceive.

  112. Spike on Medialens.
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    Paul wood ‘in Homs’
    Posted by spike on February 5, 2012, 9:29 pm

    Check out this propaganda from the BBC’s Paul Wood, freshly smuggled in to Syria. Notice how he and his team film NO damage from the ‘relentless tank and mortar attack’, despite the clear implication that the opening footage is genuine footage of the attack that they have filmed. He even admits the unverified nature of the story and the footage with his proviso ‘if what people say here is true’. HIS footage starts halfway in and the only damage he manages to film is an apparently broken car window, which he does not dwell on. Where is the smoke from the burning buildings? Where is the, presumably, impossible to hide evidence of the ‘massacre’ and ‘the revolutions’ bloodiest day’?

    ‘Why now?’ he asks before showing footage of himself embedded with the so-called free syrian army as they engage in a real attack on a base ‘outside Homs’. Is he even in Syria? Is the footage of the attack on the base credible? Is it even a real attack? It all seems a bit polished for genuine footage of an attack, during which they could all be killed, right?
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    Video at link (apologies, couldn’t imbed)
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16896783
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16894079
    This morning Marr had Bowen on fresh back from Damascus. He added nothing fresh but dwelt on a front page of one of the Sunday papers that showed dead bodies lined up in Homs presumably. The propaganda was very obvious from Bowen as if he was following a script. He was joined by a Susan Baxter and a Clemency Burton Hill who were quoting Clinton’s view on the UN veto. Terrible! How dare Russia and China! Bowen never once referred to Libya of course.
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    Bowen and co were followed by a live link to Oxford where the Director General Mark Thompson lives, who proceeded to give full welly to some story about interference to the BBC Persian service and its staff being mistreated.It reminded me of Marr in 2003 giving out the propaganda for the Iraq war. Yesterday Alastair Campbell was allowed to say without challenge on Saturday Live Radio 4 that in his opinion Iraq was a better place now.

  113. @Rose, thanks:
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    > So doesn’t a “private spiritual relationship” also have a social aspect too?
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    I think it can, and it does, but I am not sure if it needs to. But if we think that this social aspect is a good thing, how do we prevent the organisations that grow around that phenomenon from acquiring political power?
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    I don’t know the answer to that, but I think we should try. Religious organisations: become funnels for unearned wealth, respect and grandeur; continue the ownership of vast tracts of stolen property obtained through a blood-thirsty history; perpetuate sexist, regressive and anti-science ideologies; cover up and defend abominations carried out by their staff, such as child sexual abuse, etc. If religion was changed to (not reduced to) people communing with their preferred deities, these things wouldn’t be tolerated.

  114. Anon the one and only

    5 Feb, 2012 - 10:59 pm

    Clark

    I am quite happy to accept that you accept the premise that Baathist fascism is better for Syria than UK/US etc aggression, I would have thought that was obvious from your previous comments – but you still haven’t responded to how we avoid getting into having such an unattractive choice in the first place.

    Mary

    Robert Fisk, George Galloway, Amnesty, HRW, Amnesty International, Al Jazeera, the Independent, just about every journalist on the ground all accept that the Assad regime is a serial abuser of human rights – you on the other hand think he is a good chap who is nice to children and his mother and won’t offer even a single criticism of his behaviour. Why is this?

  115. Jon – thanks for that.

    Of course what you say about organised religion is true – a glance at history, both ancient and modern confirms it; anyone only half awake can see it continues, from the well documented scandals that hit the papers to the petty squabbles that infect parochial politics, and always about “me” in some guise – no different to secular life really!

    Here’s my take: malevolent forces will always latch on to anything that threatens to raise consciousness of our shared humanity and spiritual potential and subvert it; religion is the ideal vehicle. I’m no scientist, but isn’t this how parasitic organisms operate in a body?

    I agree that religious organisations should not wield political power and like you Jon have no idea how to go about preventing it; except perhaps by challenging the injustices, slanders and casual cruelties that we witness in our every day lives, as well as being alert to our own capacity for the same rotten behaviour towards others.

  116. The mother of all US false-flags – [An] aircraft on USS Abraham Lincoln currently in the Gulf are/is carrying a nuclear weapon according to a reliable source.
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    The aircraft is/are clearly identified to British warships in the area.
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    I am interested in the arming sequence of this/these N-bomb(s) and why would American planes be carrying such devastating armory if the report is true.

  117. Anon 1&O, you wrote “you accept the premise that Baathist fascism is better for Syria than UK/US etc aggression…”. I wouldn’t use the word “better”; I would put it that US/UK aggression would be even worse.
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    As for what to do, I don’t know, it’s not my field. But if we’ve been supporting the regime or selling them weapons, as is usually the case between the US/UK and Middle Eastern rulers, we bear lots of responsibility already, just as in Libya and Iraq. So while I have no immediate suggestions, in the longer term we need an ethical foreign policy.
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    What do you suggest?

  118. Foreign Secretary David Miliband told the BBC: ‘I think it is very important to understand that Syria has a big potential role to play in stability in the Middle East. It can be a force for stability or it can be a force for instability.
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    The democracy game they play

  119. OBAMA the warmonger
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    Obama gives veiled threats to Iran.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16900705
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    US and Israel working together on Iran, says Obama
    Barack Obama said he wanted to prevent a nuclear arms race in the Middle East
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    The US is working closely with Israel to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power, President Barack Obama has said.
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    Mr Obama said the aim was to resolve the crisis diplomatically, but added that no option was off the table
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    He said Washington was working “in lockstep” with Israel, which was right to be very concerned about Iran’s controversial activities.
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    He declined to answer directly a question whether Washington would be consulted first, saying only that the US and Israel “have closer military and intelligence consultation… than we’ve ever had”.
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    CLINTON the warmonger
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    The US, she said, would work with “friends of a democratic Syria” to support opponents of Syria’s president.
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    “What happened yesterday at the United Nations was a travesty,” Mrs Clinton said in strongly worded remarks during a visit to the Bulgarian capital, Sofia.
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    Analysts say Mrs Clinton appeared to be alluding to the formation of a grouping of nations similar to the Contact Group on Libya. That group – a collection of Arab and other countries – oversaw international help for opponents of former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
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    No lessons from Libya have been learnt.
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    Libyan diplomat Omar Brebesh dies ‘under torture’
    Mr Brebesh was detained on 19 January after being called in for questioning by a militia in Tripoli.
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    Libya’s former ambassador to France has died less than 24 hours after being arrested by Tripoli-based militia, a US-based human rights group has said.
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    Human Rights Watch said marks on Omar Brebesh’s body suggest he died as a result of torture under detention.
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    Mr Brebesh served under former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who was toppled after a nine-month civil war last year.
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    The country’s interim government is under mounting pressure to prevent the abuse of ++thousands in custody++.

  120. I think the term ‘organised religion’ is a sort of tautology. Religion is in fact ‘organised superstition’ and describing it in this way helps identify its problems. I have nothing against superstitions per se, being prey to many myself. I don’t let anyone codify them for me, though – I think it’s safer that way (touch wood).

  121. Vronsky
    Wrongsky.

    A gun is being held to the head of the Syrian people by CIA backed Muslim Brotherhood. ‘If you do not accept us as your Papacy in Islam, and you follow the pluralism of Assad, we have 1000 NATO bombs and 1 million raw youths with automatic weapons and bombs to force you to comply to our religious authority. Look at Libya or look at Afghanistan or Iraq.’
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    Any religious group that uses this level of threat to demand compliance from the people is BY DEFINITION wrong, like Vronsky, but more wrong. Or maybe I am making the same point that he is making.

  122. Vronsky, exactly the same criticism can be leveled at “organised politics”. When people are repeatedly told, for instance, that making the majority poor and putting a significant fraction out of work will “save the economy”, what is that but organised propagation of a falsehood? It becomes a superstition because so many of the ones propagating it believe it themselves.

  123. Guano, I think you are making the same point as Vronsky. When people acquire great power, or have it handed to them, it is easy for them to think “We have God on our side”. They arrogantly believe that they’re being given rewards in this world, so they fail to examine true cause and effect. Ignoring cause and effect is to ignore Gods law.

  124. Absolutely Vronsky, we had enough fear andf loathing heaped upon humanity than to revere religion for its fine words alone. We have given religous zealots and power ego’s too much airtime, regardless of religion, we have let religous wannabe prohets into Government and into all wakes of our life’s. Bliars supposition that ‘religion is the new politics’ is not gospel, merely an indication how far we have let religion influence our judgements and how much we have become accustomed to their messages.

    Guano, your wailing to a few muslims here is wasted, your aquisations would be much better placed in a mosque. But would they let you preach/talk about misgivings? your interpretation of history I mean, would they allow you to talk of internecine squabbles, bombs and innocent death amongst Sunnis, Shia’s and Shi’ites by Muslims? I somehow doubt it, thats why you are here.

    With every post of yours my own PERSONAL believe’s are more pronounced. If religion takes sides, only talks to/about believers, it has lost its meaning to all,imho, regardless of what religion it is. To need gods decipels on earth, or Mullahs to indoctrinate our children and their future life’s, is alien to a world that is genetically entwined with many other species on earth, it is preposterous and aloof and it is dangerous. Education should encompass all, to abuse childrens minds with onesidedness is never going to resolve humanities problems.

    That said, if religion and preaching is what people need in their life’s, thats fine by me, as long as they keep it to their person and do not try to indoctrinate ‘thinking children’ at school, don’t foist their foibles and hear say on others, and keep it out of politics alltogether, an issue i feel French about.
    Bang on Vronsky

  125. Who said this:
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    “We stand at the end of the Age of Reason. A new era of the magical explanation of the world is rising.”

  126. Ingo, I appreciate Guano’s comments, and I doubt that any religion would claim me as a believer. Look at this from Guano:

    Any religious group that uses this level of threat to demand compliance from the people is BY DEFINITION wrong…

    No one needs a Holy Book or a structure of “religious” authority to tell them that the killing of innocents and the destruction of livelihoods is wrong – we simply feel this from within. This is what is meant when it is said that God is available to all.

  127. Clark This website told me it was Hitler. One could spend hours trawling through these aphorisms.
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    http://mindprod.com/politics/bushismshitler.html

  128. My point is Clark that his voice is wasted here, that he should use his messages were they achieve the most impact. Maybe he has tried, what do I know, my last post was not written as a critic to what he said.

  129. Syria troops step up Homs bombing

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    West steps up Syrian propaganda

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    On Saturday, BBC and Sky were competing throughout the day in upping the casualty figure in Homs from 200 to 250 to 300 and I think I heard 350 at the end. On Sunday the figure was 50. There should be no deaths of course.
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    BBC Home page
    Syria troops step up Homs bombing
    Heavy artillery fire rocks the restive Syrian city of Homs, in what anti-government activists are calling one of the fiercest assaults yet.
    ‘They are picking up the bodies’ Listen NEW
    New UN plan in tatters
    On the front line in Homs
    Activist: Homs situation ‘so bad’ Watch
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

  130. Wonder what she thinks of this crawler?
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    Diamond Jubilee: Cameron praises ‘magnificent’ Queen
    David Cameron is the 12th prime minister to serve under the Queen
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    Prime Minister David Cameron has praised the “magnificent service” given by the Queen, as she celebrates 60 years on the throne.
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    He said the monarch’s Diamond Jubilee should celebrate her “experience, dignity and quiet authority”.
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    Mr Cameron, the 12th prime minister to serve under the Queen, called her a “source of wisdom and continuity”.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16897043

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    Only another 16 weeks to wait for our joyous celebrations.
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    Q Can what’s left of the economy stand another 4 day holiday?

  131. Has Craig’s postman plodded up to his door yet? I hope so.
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    I saw so-called Homs footage on both BBC and Sky over the weekend, but there was no indication as to who was responsible for the plumes of smoke, or where the ‘shelling’ was coming from. BBC even said as much in their “report” – “we cannot verify” etc.
    And meanwhile Ms Clinton was gabbling about the “neutering” of the UN. As if the USA had never used its veto …
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    Meanwhile, regarding right-wingers being thicker than left-wingers (see comment by Airdrieonian above, 5 Feb, 2012 – 12:30 pm, which I believe is related) there’s an article in the Guardian which might brighten up your day:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/05/daily-mail-calls-rightwingers-stupid

  132. @clark
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    My point was that superstition need not be organised, but when it is we call it religion and it is dangerous. Politics is always organised, and always dangerous. Incidentally, I’m not trying to use the word ‘superstition’ in a pejorative sense here – merely as a word that comes to hand to describe beliefs or opinions that are of some importance to us but which we cannot justify (and might not care to try). That killing people is wrong is a superstition, but not one I’d easily surrender. I like Santana’s dictum: “That life is worth living is the most necessary of assumptions and, were it not assumed, the most impossible of conclusions.”
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    I entirely share your view on the economy. We cannot say that an economy is successful without first defining its objectives. I cannot see an economy which generates extensive homelessness, insecurity and poverty as ‘successful’.

  133. Its now becominmg clear that Iran is willing to talk and that the IAEA is happy with the progress, whilst the US and israel are nudging up the war rethoric.
    The whole world can see how wrong we are inletting these neocons act out their hegemonial dreams of grandeur and levitahan impositions. Can these warmongers not see that they have no public support now, before they agressed against Iran,? Once they attacking this will turn into chaotic opposition to allm of their plans, they will have no credibility for anything.

  134. Mary, yes, it was Hitler. He wished to break people’s analysis of cause and effect. Only those bent on evil do this.
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    Another approach is to distort the data we need in order to analyse cause and effect.
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    Vronsky, I don’t think that belief in the wrongness of killing people is a superstition; more a moral value and a shared feeling. Believing that killing people will result in being sent to Hell or Heaven are superstitions. They usurp the morals and the feelings and replace them with a fake cause-effect link of the propagator’s choosing.

  135. “China’s leading Communist party newspaper has defended Beijing’s rejection of a United Nations resolution calling for Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, to resign. The People’s Daily said western campaigns in Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq showed the error of forced regime change.”
    Full story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/06/china-syria-veto-peoples-daily

  136. Broken ribs and a torn liver. How terrible. Part of the current reporting of deaths in police custody.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/01/excited-delirium-custody-death
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    Yesterday I heard this excellent File on 4 on Radio 4 about the new phenomenon of ‘excited delirium’ a term imported from the US and not recognised in medical terminology. It is well worth listening to. 28 mins. Just listen to the banalities of the IPCC staffers.
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    {http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01bb703}
    Inquests in England are increasingly hearing a new term to explain deaths in police custody: Excited Delirium. It’s a diagnosis with origins in the United States, where it has been associated with consumption of massive doses of cocaine. People with ED are said to possess super-human strength and to be largely impervious to pain. They behave bizarrely, sometimes destructively.They often seem paranoid and frequently resist arrest. As police struggle to restrain them they overheat and die.
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    But critics — including some British Pathologists — point out that Excited Delirium is not recognised by the World Health Organisation and that there is a lack of valid research. Civil liberties organisations fear that the diagnosis might be employed to excuse improper use of restraint techniques by police.
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    For ‘File on 4′ Angus Stickler has travelled to the cocaine capital of the United States, Miami, where police and scientists are attempting to define and deal with the controversial condition.
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    And in England he speaks to families whose loved ones have died after being restrained by the police. Is Excited Delirium well-enough understood to be used by courts? And just how many people are dying while being restrained — either in custody or while being arrested?
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    Are the official figures reliable?
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    Producer: Andy Denwood.

  137. This looks positive for Mexico, although she is a Conservative politician, a woman at the helm in Mexico might change the war on drugs agenda there.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16903245

  138. Don’t give up the day job.
    Oh, you did.

  139. Mark, “I too feel sorry for the Syrians”. I thought your analysis was astute about Hague’s misguided intentions. If, however, the US neglects its partner in crime, if the £ falls before the $, does that mean the Yanks will take away their Menwith Hill monstrosity and stop monitoring us all?

  140. happy birthday mark – i know u hang out here – good man xx

  141. This is fishwives at their best; Syria UN vote ‘incomprehensible and inexcusable
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    Who do they think are they fooling?
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    Iraq; one and one half million dead, but hold on we don’t do dead count, so this figure is not acceptable. Johns Hopkins method of counting the dead don’t count either, what would they know? finally the Iraqi dead tally most grudgingly is set at hundred and fifty thousands!!!!!
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    Libya we don’t do body count, Afghanistan we don’t do body count, however Syria, oh well; thousands upon thousands upon thousands upon thousands dead, who says? Free Syria thingymically Freedom Freedom democracy and more Freedom council of course.
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    Fishwives at their best,
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    “Travesty”, sounds like a woody Allen movie dialogue.

  142. “Don’t give up the day job.
    Oh, you did.”.
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    Yeah Craig did give up his day job.A job entailing complicity in torture(you know…that sort of horror where men,women and children are boiled alive,raped with broken bottles,electrocuted,murdered very slowly and painfully)and lying about the bullshit War On Terror.
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    It’s called having principles and a strong sense of morality.
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    What do you do again? Oh sorry,you didn’t say…

  143. x,
    You get on feeding your “family” the tainted food bought by the tainted money, instead. What bedtime stories do you read? Once upon a time there was suck up, kick down father/mother who took the money s/he new was tainted, because he kept quiet about the torture of little children and their parents, who were boiled, and killed ever so slowly…….
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    Sick bastards are a plenty, but it takes a real man like Craig to show how sick some of these bastards really are.
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    Craig can shave himself not cringing/squirming/feeling ill, but hey you wouldn’t know about that now, would you?

  144. Well said Jives and Fedup. What a nasty remark.

  145. And Passerby.

  146. Ingo
    Too right. Craig puts up with a lot on his blog, and why not?
    If more diplomats were like him we would be living in a very different world.
    Many wise imams nod their head in agreement to obvious truth stated by anyone, but many others also use a their knowledge to twist obvious truth to their own ends. I agree with Clark. A little bit of money is enough to vastly exaggerate people’s ideas of their own opinions. I don’t care about split infinitives anymore. There are enough splits in the world caused by divide and rule and false flag operations without bothering about the English grammar ones.

  147. Those religious zealots that think they’re being rewarded on Earth would do well to reflect upon the story of Jesus of Nazareth. From the age of twenty-nine his dedication to God’s work was absolute. He neither sought nor received any money or wealth. He taught the people that the self-appointed religious authority was corrupt and need not be heeded, that God would guide their hearts directly, without mediation from the quasi-political religious leaders.
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    Jesus received no reward in Earthy life, and beyond that none of us has any knowledge. Cause and effect, God’s law on Earth, prevailed in a very familiar manner. The religious authority raised a rabble against Jesus. The secular authority, a Roman, disapproved of this, but predictably chose the course of least agitation, symbolically washing his hands of the matter. Jesus was tortured to death alongside common criminals.
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    Judging from many stories including Craig Murray’s, little has changed since then, it seems. We must do what is right for no reward, even in the face of persecution and danger.
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    (The above illustrates why I can’t be regarded as a Christian. Calling Jesus “Christ” and promoting him to godhood, such that he foresaw the outcome and effectively manipulated the power structures of his time into martyring him when he knew he’d be resurrected, strips the story of all moral value. I think that may have suited many in the Christian power hierarchy, and they held editorial control over this story for centuries.)

  148. Clark – what does it matter how others regard you?
    Nobody needs a label – but what about “man/woman of good will”?

  149. Rose, to me, the story of Jesus is important because of its moral, rather than its religious, content. But such is the row between certain subsets of the religious and the atheist populations that unless I make some such statement I am likely to be misunderstood, a row about the existence or otherwise of God may break out, and people may get nasty.
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    Further, I think that many Christians miss the major message in the story of Jesus, because they see an embodied god rather than a human. In modern terms, it makes sense to think of Jesus as a sort of political activist, showing people that the power structure they lived under had no legitimacy, and telling people that truth and justice are more important than power and authority.
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    I don’t want this message ignored due to assumptions that I’m conscripting for a religion, or that I want people to believe in miracles, resurrection or disembodied spirits.

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