154 thoughts on “Chris Huhne Resigns as England Captain

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  • Fedup

    Foreign Secretary David Miliband told the BBC: ‘I think it is very important to understand that Syria has a big potential role to play in stability in the Middle East. It can be a force for stability or it can be a force for instability.
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    The democracy game they play

  • Mary

    OBAMA the warmonger
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    Obama gives veiled threats to Iran.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16900705
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    US and Israel working together on Iran, says Obama
    Barack Obama said he wanted to prevent a nuclear arms race in the Middle East
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    The US is working closely with Israel to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power, President Barack Obama has said.
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    Mr Obama said the aim was to resolve the crisis diplomatically, but added that no option was off the table
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    He said Washington was working “in lockstep” with Israel, which was right to be very concerned about Iran’s controversial activities.
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    He declined to answer directly a question whether Washington would be consulted first, saying only that the US and Israel “have closer military and intelligence consultation… than we’ve ever had”.
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    CLINTON the warmonger
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    The US, she said, would work with “friends of a democratic Syria” to support opponents of Syria’s president.
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    “What happened yesterday at the United Nations was a travesty,” Mrs Clinton said in strongly worded remarks during a visit to the Bulgarian capital, Sofia.
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    Analysts say Mrs Clinton appeared to be alluding to the formation of a grouping of nations similar to the Contact Group on Libya. That group – a collection of Arab and other countries – oversaw international help for opponents of former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
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    No lessons from Libya have been learnt.
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    Libyan diplomat Omar Brebesh dies ‘under torture’
    Mr Brebesh was detained on 19 January after being called in for questioning by a militia in Tripoli.
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    Libya’s former ambassador to France has died less than 24 hours after being arrested by Tripoli-based militia, a US-based human rights group has said.
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    Human Rights Watch said marks on Omar Brebesh’s body suggest he died as a result of torture under detention.
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    Mr Brebesh served under former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who was toppled after a nine-month civil war last year.
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    The country’s interim government is under mounting pressure to prevent the abuse of ++thousands in custody++.

  • Vronsky

    I think the term ‘organised religion’ is a sort of tautology. Religion is in fact ‘organised superstition’ and describing it in this way helps identify its problems. I have nothing against superstitions per se, being prey to many myself. I don’t let anyone codify them for me, though – I think it’s safer that way (touch wood).

  • guano

    Vronsky
    Wrongsky.

    A gun is being held to the head of the Syrian people by CIA backed Muslim Brotherhood. ‘If you do not accept us as your Papacy in Islam, and you follow the pluralism of Assad, we have 1000 NATO bombs and 1 million raw youths with automatic weapons and bombs to force you to comply to our religious authority. Look at Libya or look at Afghanistan or Iraq.’
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    Any religious group that uses this level of threat to demand compliance from the people is BY DEFINITION wrong, like Vronsky, but more wrong. Or maybe I am making the same point that he is making.

  • Clark

    Vronsky, exactly the same criticism can be leveled at “organised politics”. When people are repeatedly told, for instance, that making the majority poor and putting a significant fraction out of work will “save the economy”, what is that but organised propagation of a falsehood? It becomes a superstition because so many of the ones propagating it believe it themselves.

  • Clark

    Guano, I think you are making the same point as Vronsky. When people acquire great power, or have it handed to them, it is easy for them to think “We have God on our side”. They arrogantly believe that they’re being given rewards in this world, so they fail to examine true cause and effect. Ignoring cause and effect is to ignore Gods law.

  • ingo

    Absolutely Vronsky, we had enough fear andf loathing heaped upon humanity than to revere religion for its fine words alone. We have given religous zealots and power ego’s too much airtime, regardless of religion, we have let religous wannabe prohets into Government and into all wakes of our life’s. Bliars supposition that ‘religion is the new politics’ is not gospel, merely an indication how far we have let religion influence our judgements and how much we have become accustomed to their messages.

    Guano, your wailing to a few muslims here is wasted, your aquisations would be much better placed in a mosque. But would they let you preach/talk about misgivings? your interpretation of history I mean, would they allow you to talk of internecine squabbles, bombs and innocent death amongst Sunnis, Shia’s and Shi’ites by Muslims? I somehow doubt it, thats why you are here.

    With every post of yours my own PERSONAL believe’s are more pronounced. If religion takes sides, only talks to/about believers, it has lost its meaning to all,imho, regardless of what religion it is. To need gods decipels on earth, or Mullahs to indoctrinate our children and their future life’s, is alien to a world that is genetically entwined with many other species on earth, it is preposterous and aloof and it is dangerous. Education should encompass all, to abuse childrens minds with onesidedness is never going to resolve humanities problems.

    That said, if religion and preaching is what people need in their life’s, thats fine by me, as long as they keep it to their person and do not try to indoctrinate ‘thinking children’ at school, don’t foist their foibles and hear say on others, and keep it out of politics alltogether, an issue i feel French about.
    Bang on Vronsky

  • Clark

    Who said this:
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    “We stand at the end of the Age of Reason. A new era of the magical explanation of the world is rising.”

  • Clark

    Ingo, I appreciate Guano’s comments, and I doubt that any religion would claim me as a believer. Look at this from Guano:

    Any religious group that uses this level of threat to demand compliance from the people is BY DEFINITION wrong…

    No one needs a Holy Book or a structure of “religious” authority to tell them that the killing of innocents and the destruction of livelihoods is wrong – we simply feel this from within. This is what is meant when it is said that God is available to all.

  • ingo

    My point is Clark that his voice is wasted here, that he should use his messages were they achieve the most impact. Maybe he has tried, what do I know, my last post was not written as a critic to what he said.

  • Mary

    Syria troops step up Homs bombing

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    West steps up Syrian propaganda

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    On Saturday, BBC and Sky were competing throughout the day in upping the casualty figure in Homs from 200 to 250 to 300 and I think I heard 350 at the end. On Sunday the figure was 50. There should be no deaths of course.
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    BBC Home page
    Syria troops step up Homs bombing
    Heavy artillery fire rocks the restive Syrian city of Homs, in what anti-government activists are calling one of the fiercest assaults yet.
    ‘They are picking up the bodies’ Listen NEW
    New UN plan in tatters
    On the front line in Homs
    Activist: Homs situation ‘so bad’ Watch
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

  • Mary

    Wonder what she thinks of this crawler?
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    Diamond Jubilee: Cameron praises ‘magnificent’ Queen
    David Cameron is the 12th prime minister to serve under the Queen
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    Prime Minister David Cameron has praised the “magnificent service” given by the Queen, as she celebrates 60 years on the throne.
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    He said the monarch’s Diamond Jubilee should celebrate her “experience, dignity and quiet authority”.
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    Mr Cameron, the 12th prime minister to serve under the Queen, called her a “source of wisdom and continuity”.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16897043

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    Only another 16 weeks to wait for our joyous celebrations.
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    Q Can what’s left of the economy stand another 4 day holiday?

  • nuid

    Has Craig’s postman plodded up to his door yet? I hope so.
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    I saw so-called Homs footage on both BBC and Sky over the weekend, but there was no indication as to who was responsible for the plumes of smoke, or where the ‘shelling’ was coming from. BBC even said as much in their “report” – “we cannot verify” etc.
    And meanwhile Ms Clinton was gabbling about the “neutering” of the UN. As if the USA had never used its veto …
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    Meanwhile, regarding right-wingers being thicker than left-wingers (see comment by Airdrieonian above, 5 Feb, 2012 – 12:30 pm, which I believe is related) there’s an article in the Guardian which might brighten up your day:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/05/daily-mail-calls-rightwingers-stupid

  • Vronsky

    @clark
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    My point was that superstition need not be organised, but when it is we call it religion and it is dangerous. Politics is always organised, and always dangerous. Incidentally, I’m not trying to use the word ‘superstition’ in a pejorative sense here – merely as a word that comes to hand to describe beliefs or opinions that are of some importance to us but which we cannot justify (and might not care to try). That killing people is wrong is a superstition, but not one I’d easily surrender. I like Santana’s dictum: “That life is worth living is the most necessary of assumptions and, were it not assumed, the most impossible of conclusions.”
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    I entirely share your view on the economy. We cannot say that an economy is successful without first defining its objectives. I cannot see an economy which generates extensive homelessness, insecurity and poverty as ‘successful’.

  • ingo

    Its now becominmg clear that Iran is willing to talk and that the IAEA is happy with the progress, whilst the US and israel are nudging up the war rethoric.
    The whole world can see how wrong we are inletting these neocons act out their hegemonial dreams of grandeur and levitahan impositions. Can these warmongers not see that they have no public support now, before they agressed against Iran,? Once they attacking this will turn into chaotic opposition to allm of their plans, they will have no credibility for anything.

  • Clark

    Mary, yes, it was Hitler. He wished to break people’s analysis of cause and effect. Only those bent on evil do this.
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    Another approach is to distort the data we need in order to analyse cause and effect.
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    Vronsky, I don’t think that belief in the wrongness of killing people is a superstition; more a moral value and a shared feeling. Believing that killing people will result in being sent to Hell or Heaven are superstitions. They usurp the morals and the feelings and replace them with a fake cause-effect link of the propagator’s choosing.

  • Mary

    Broken ribs and a torn liver. How terrible. Part of the current reporting of deaths in police custody.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/01/excited-delirium-custody-death
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    Yesterday I heard this excellent File on 4 on Radio 4 about the new phenomenon of ‘excited delirium’ a term imported from the US and not recognised in medical terminology. It is well worth listening to. 28 mins. Just listen to the banalities of the IPCC staffers.
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    {http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01bb703}
    Inquests in England are increasingly hearing a new term to explain deaths in police custody: Excited Delirium. It’s a diagnosis with origins in the United States, where it has been associated with consumption of massive doses of cocaine. People with ED are said to possess super-human strength and to be largely impervious to pain. They behave bizarrely, sometimes destructively.They often seem paranoid and frequently resist arrest. As police struggle to restrain them they overheat and die.
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    But critics — including some British Pathologists — point out that Excited Delirium is not recognised by the World Health Organisation and that there is a lack of valid research. Civil liberties organisations fear that the diagnosis might be employed to excuse improper use of restraint techniques by police.
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    For ‘File on 4’ Angus Stickler has travelled to the cocaine capital of the United States, Miami, where police and scientists are attempting to define and deal with the controversial condition.
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    And in England he speaks to families whose loved ones have died after being restrained by the police. Is Excited Delirium well-enough understood to be used by courts? And just how many people are dying while being restrained — either in custody or while being arrested?
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    Are the official figures reliable?
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    Producer: Andy Denwood.

  • John Goss

    Mark, “I too feel sorry for the Syrians”. I thought your analysis was astute about Hague’s misguided intentions. If, however, the US neglects its partner in crime, if the £ falls before the $, does that mean the Yanks will take away their Menwith Hill monstrosity and stop monitoring us all?

  • Passerby

    This is fishwives at their best; Syria UN vote ‘incomprehensible and inexcusable
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    Who do they think are they fooling?
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    Iraq; one and one half million dead, but hold on we don’t do dead count, so this figure is not acceptable. Johns Hopkins method of counting the dead don’t count either, what would they know? finally the Iraqi dead tally most grudgingly is set at hundred and fifty thousands!!!!!
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    Libya we don’t do body count, Afghanistan we don’t do body count, however Syria, oh well; thousands upon thousands upon thousands upon thousands dead, who says? Free Syria thingymically Freedom Freedom democracy and more Freedom council of course.
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    Fishwives at their best,
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    “Travesty”, sounds like a woody Allen movie dialogue.

  • Jives

    “Don’t give up the day job.
    Oh, you did.”.
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    Yeah Craig did give up his day job.A job entailing complicity in torture(you know…that sort of horror where men,women and children are boiled alive,raped with broken bottles,electrocuted,murdered very slowly and painfully)and lying about the bullshit War On Terror.
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    It’s called having principles and a strong sense of morality.
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    What do you do again? Oh sorry,you didn’t say…

  • Passerby

    x,
    You get on feeding your “family” the tainted food bought by the tainted money, instead. What bedtime stories do you read? Once upon a time there was suck up, kick down father/mother who took the money s/he new was tainted, because he kept quiet about the torture of little children and their parents, who were boiled, and killed ever so slowly…….
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    Sick bastards are a plenty, but it takes a real man like Craig to show how sick some of these bastards really are.
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    Craig can shave himself not cringing/squirming/feeling ill, but hey you wouldn’t know about that now, would you?

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