Euro Values

by craig on May 26, 2014 1:07 pm in Uncategorized

Brian Taylor of BBC Scotland said last night he picked up at Holyrood that the other unionist parties were pleased that UKIP had won the former Lib Dem seat in Scotland and stopped the SNP getting a third.  That was the most revealing moment of last night for me – it showed the vicious irresponsibility of the Better Together campaign, and exposed the lie that UKIP are outsiders.

The other moment worth watching was Alex Salmond confronting Dimbleby that the BBC had given UKIP four times as much coverage time in Scotland during the campaign as the SNP.  Dimbleby tamely responded that his complaint should be directed to BBC Scotland.  The BBC’s promotion of UKIP again explodes the myth of UKIP as outsiders.

The Unionist camp’s pathetic attempt to claim that UKIP’s 10% and fourth place in Scotland, squeaking one seat, shows Scotland is the same politically as England where UKIP got 29% and came first, is desperate politics.  That in order to make that point they were happy for a racist party to marginally represent Scotland in Europe, is a sign of the total moral bankruptcy of the Better Together neo-con British Nationalist programme.

New Labour are completely screwed.  To only beat the Tories by 1%, when there is a huge UKIP voteof which a significant slice will go back to the Tories, shows there is no chance whatsoever that New Labour will win the UK general election.

The people of Scotland have a very simple choice in September.  Independence, or another Tory government which will probably pull the UK out of the EU, and might very well be in coalition with UKIP.

New Labour won almost nowhere except London.  It is the party of London., with a leader who has never in his life lived outside London.  But it is a fascinating fact that of all the class, educational, geographical and other statistics you can correlate with New Labour success, the factor with the strongest correlation of all with the New Labour share of the vote is the prevalence of postal voting.  New Labour can win only where the system is open widest to abuse through massive scale electoral fraud.

Some of this is straight fraud – postal ballots being given to ghost voters, non-existent people on the register.  That is very much more prevalent than you probably imagine.  But mostly it operates through the deprivation of the privacy of the polling booth.  In a polling station nobody is supposed to be allowed to look over your shoulder (although there were disgraceful scenes in places in Tower Hamlets, Wood Green and Newham).  But if you receive your ballot paper in your home, you are extremely vulnerable if you live in a situation where others are able to enter your home and demand to check that you have voted the right way before you post your ballot.  That is beyond doubt the situation both of many family members, particularly affecting women, and of certain highly hierarchical and patriarchal communities.  Postal ballot distortion is an absolutely disgraceful blot on British political culture.  It is also fundamental to New Labour’s ability to salvage something from a disastrous electoral performance.

There is indeed a very nasty undercurrent of racism in England at the moment.  I live in one of UKIP’s strongest areas and this racism cannot be wished away.  In fact I do not believe that Farage is personally racist, and I believe he is genuine not tactical in his abhorrence of the French National Front.  But I do believe Farage has pandered to and encouraged people who are racists, and that there are a great many racists within UKIP.  These people must not be allowed to become a ‘respectable’ part of politics and must be confronted wherever they appear.

I have argued for years that the UK is not a democracy in that no real choice is offered between the main political parties.  Their policies are all the same.  If the range of possible policies on any one issue were enumerated from 1 to 100, New Labour, Lib Dem and Tories offer you choices in the range 81 to 86. The electorate has noticed, and people are sick of it.  People have noticed all over Europe too.  The politics of neo-con consensus and its lackey media is happily dead.  This is a change that will not stop.  Once we imprison enough neo-cons who ripped off the public and the taxpayer, perhaps they might concede that it turns out history had not ended after all.

It is true that UKIP’s support does represent an upsurge of dissatisfaction with the political elite, and that also is part of an unarticulated rage at the astonishing growth of inequality of wealth in society and the vast shift of resources to the billionaire middlemen in the financial sector who do extremely little for it.  It is good that rage is building, and Syriza show in Greece that it can be constructively channelled.  But it is much more often and with much more success diverted in order to awake volcanoes of atavism, and rage that should be directed at plutocrats is instead turned on foreigners.  The danger is letting that analysis divert you from the fact of how very, very real and very, very nasty that atavism is in the dispossessed classes.  We are in a dangerous place.  The neo-con establishment is fanning racist flames.

At school, we were taught about the years of revolution in Europe of 1830-32 and 1848-9.  Those revolutionary years coincided with Asian Cholera pandemics, which undoubtedly played a part in driving people beyond endurance.  You can of course argue that poverty and famine assisted the spread of the pandemics.

This current year of European change has also been sparked by economic distress, and seen an increase in poverty marker diseases, some of which we had hoped had effectively vanished. But plague has been a cause.  Europe has suffered the most devastating plague of bankers in history.

The disillusioned should not blame immigrants.  Immigrants are victims too.  Turn your wrath on the bankers, the billionaires and the neo-con parties who do their bidding.  Another world is possible.

Let’s start by ending the UK and setting Scotland free.  It is not illegitimate to judge an idea in part by the quality and motives of those who oppose it.  The full range of the neo-con establishment prefer racist isolation for a neo-con UK to a free Scotland.  Just look at them.  Then kick them where it really hurts.

 

 

 

 

 

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169 Comments

  1. Derek Bryant

    26 May, 2014 - 1:21 pm

    Just one correction Ed Miliband lived in Leeds as a child. Ralph Miliband was had the Chair of Politics at the University.

    Ed has also lived in New York which in some ways is like never having lived outside of London

  2. I attempted to leave the follow comment on your McCann post. Unfortunately the catchpa seems to be non-functioning.

    Guilty as hell? Yes. Why?

    I shall keep it simple, and I shall keep it to Day One.

    The cornerstone for the McCann’s claim for stranger abduction were the “Jemmied Shutters.” Let me give you just one example from many.

    He (Jon Corner) said: “She (Kate) just blurted out that Madeleine had been abducted. She told me, ‘They have broken the shutter on the window and taken my little girl.’

    But the shutters weren’t jemmied. Ergo; no jemmied shutters, no abduction. It’s that simple.

    Now just for a moment, image that quality of testament, being uttered in the case of, shall we say, a Post Office robbery?

    The shutters, all here in one stop. http://bit.ly/1fujWnS

  3. Excellent post, Craig. Could you supply a link to any statistics on correlation between NuLab vote and postal voting?

  4. “The disillusioned should not blame immigrants. Immigrants are victims too. Turn your wrath on the bankers, the billionaires and the neo-con parties who do their bidding. Another world is possible.”

    Great statement, great post. I blogged on Farage and his racism this morning but also mentioned the other election which the BBC this morning completely overlooked, the Poroshenko acclaimed victory. There are electronic anomolies and it is thought there might be a hand-count. Poroshenko might be good for Ukraine. The electorate, only a relatively small number went out to vote, is clearly unhappy with those who stole power. Timoshenko, who claimed she was going to win, polled 12% and she was the US choice probably because she is as corrupt as they are. It looks like the electorate made a good choice and things could get better if there is not another coup. I realise the Poroshenko is an Oligarch but there is not much chance of getting anything else in that part of the world; or perhaps anywhere today. And he is into chocolate not arms. So Willie (Porshenko) Wonker, don’t let us down!

  5. Actually this partly answers my own question- http://www.economist.com/node/16076117

  6. “another Tory government which will probably pull the UK out of the EU”

    Fat chance. Whatever the outcome of a referendum the Tories will not take the UK out of the EU. The Tories’ masters are the bankers and the bankers are the EU.

    “Turn your wrath on the bankers, the billionaires and the neo-con parties who do their bidding”

    A lot of people thought they were doing just that by voting Ukip.

  7. Pete

    Am hoping to do a detailed breakdown on this, but as a serious piece of work in a couple of weeks time.

  8. Teddy Shepherd

    The McCanns are dreadfully litigious and I suspect the Mods are trying to protect the site.

  9. Ukip are a bunch of loonies, to be sure, but they’re the only girl at the dance so whaddya gonna do?

    I love your blog, Craig, and your passion but i’ve never been anywhere close to being an idealist and much prefer that government would stay the fuck away from me so i’ve no problem with doing Kipper work – at the moment we’re hunting round for a medic to run a ‘Save our A&E’ campaign forcing a 5 way split in next year’s general so we end the Tory and maybe slip in the back door – it’s worth a punt. There ain’t no point in being moral or right if there aren’t any votes in it. More power to your elbow, though.

    Someone, Dizzy I think,

  10. Was gonna gibber on about how government is a Brazilian cock fish..oopps!

    http://www.thinkscotland.org/todays-thinking/articles.html?read_full=11856&article=www.thinkscotland.org

  11. My biggest concern for the referendum vote is the postal vote issue. What are the rules for the referendum? Ae they the same as a GE? If so, then the whole exercise is open to massive fraud and abuse. I have heard “stories” (OK, we need to be careful about hearsay) that some Labour canvassers are suggesting that people take a postal voter form, rather than “bother with going to the polling station. We can look after that for you.”

    Is here any way to establish if this is truly going on, and if so, what is the (so-called monitor) the Electoral Commission doing about ensuring that the referendum ballot is 100% honest?

    This and the massive bias of the BBC are the two key weak points in the YES campaign. Media blockage and manipulation together with voter manipulation. What has this country [UK] become?

  12. Hi Craig,

    As a new reader to your blog, and indecently in the process of reading murder in Samarkand. It is so refreshing to hear a diplomat, actually tell it as it is. I also think the level of bias in the BBC in their political reporting especially in the independence debate, as absolutely shocking. Even after several studies indicating their extreme bias views and reporting. Their utter reluctant to even accept that fact, as well as their total disregard for the license payer is mind boggling. I also think that UKIP are a scourge on society their ideology and hatred is disgusting and divisive , but the almost daily and repeated propaganda that is spewed out by the BBC has had an affect. But as you say playing the racism card is a great political diversion tactic, and keeps the masses arguing amongst themselves, conquer and divide. I am a passionate independence supporter, and I am the first to admit its not the cure to all evils. But even if it makes politics slightly more accountable to the people, and keeps racism at bay then it must be worth the risk. Great post Craig Keep up the good work. :-)

  13. Resident Dissident

    26 May, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    “The electorate, only a relatively small number went out to vote, is clearly unhappy with those who stole power.”

    So please enlighten us on the turnout excluding those parts of the Ukraine where Putin’s bully boys stopped people from voting.

    “Yes, Putin is popular, but there has been no recent history of Russian imperialism or land grabs,”

    Pure comedy

    “In Ukraine since February there has been a lot of western-promoted riots which have put the country in chaos.”

    The Euro Maidan started last November

    “Poroshenko is thought to have more than the 55% of votes necessary to take office. However the west wanted Timoshenko, who only polled about 12% in a low turnout, to win.”

    “So it would appear the Ukraine, which has recently seen racism showing all its many ugly faces, has voted against the illegal government that took over Ukraine. ”

    Would seem unlikely given that Timoshenko’s opinion poll rating were pretty low from the start of the campaign and it has been pretty widely reported that Poroshenko has been woring closely with Yats. But then you really haven’t got a clue about what has been going on in Ukraine – which is of course what happens when you rely on RT and other Putin outlets as your sole information source.

    Anyway my congratulations to the Ukrainian people.

  14. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 3:07 pm

    “It is good that rage is building, and Syriza show in Greece that it can be constructively channelled.”
    _____________________

    That comment about Syriza, Craig, show that you don’t follow Greek politics very closely. There is very little “constructive” about Syriza, whose leader lives in fear that one day he might just have to head a govt. Believe me.

  15. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 3:13 pm

    “My biggest concern for the referendum vote is the postal vote issue. What are the rules for the referendum? Ae they the same as a GE? If so, then the whole exercise is open to massive fraud and abuse.”
    ______________________

    This – for the uninitiated – is the Great Referendum Excuse N°2, to be trotted out when the “NO” camp wins. It was fraud wot lost it!.

    Great Referendum Excuse N°1 is of course “it was all the fault of the biased media!”.

  16. I don’t know how many of the disillusioned do blame immigrants. I suppose some must, perhaps many, but unless I’m completely out of touch, the predominant sentiment seems to be “they’re only doing what I would do in their situation”. The people to blame are the people who make the laws and create the conditions in which this insanity persists.

    We are talking about the management of a medium-sized, still relatively rich country. That country has been running a programme of mass-immigration in tandem with one of mass-unemployment – and they’ve been doing it for years! Is there really anybody who can claim with a straight face that that is anything other than the most appallingly bad management? You have to be either an economist or a politician to think that it’s rational.

    Yes, the people of Scotland do have a straight, simple choice in September. But not to worry. If they get it wrong they’ll have another straight, simple choice in another few years. Then, if they’re particularly recalcitrant and they get it wrong again, they’ll have another …

  17. “of certain highly hierarchical and patriarchal communities.”

    Not exactly sticking your head about the parapet there, are you.

  18. My post on the Mind Bogging thread confirms what Craig says about BBC bias in their Scottish output. Salmond/Dimblebore

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/mind-boggling/#comment-458901

    Dimbleby knew exactly what Salmond was saying. They are ALL in it together.
    ~~

    Well done to Nadira and best wishes for her success.

    Does this mean that you will not be posting in the interim Craig?

  19. “of certain highly hierarchical and patriarchal communities.”

    Not exactly sticking your head about the parapet there, are you.

    Exactly S Falcone; This blog is admirable when Craig addresses his points bluntly, courageously, and with good humour. Being mealy mouthed is a characteristic honed to perfection by establishment presstitutes; we don’t want that sort of self censorship here here.

  20. Falcone and OldMark,

    The reason these communities are so susceptible to postal ballot abuse is because they are hierarchical and patriarchal. It is not skin colour that causes the abuse, though I realise that is something you would rather discuss.

  21. Gutenberg on Medialens has captured some of the BBC coverage of the results on their ‘News Channel’. He refers to Minchin and Turnball ie the pair of presenters Louise Minchin and Bill Turnbull who occupy the red sofa at Salford.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1401114167.html

    Described as an ‘anchor’. Could suggest another word. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Minchin

    Nondescript. A Strictly contestant. Says it all.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Turnbull

  22. I really enjoy both your blogs and your books.

    We will now endure endless reinterpretation of the results as each party spins away ad lib.

    What has really happened is that vast swathes of lEurope have protested at last against governments and institutions which do not represent the people or even attempt to serve their interests. Financial scams and crony politics dominate the system

    We need comprehensive new structures both at country and European levels, and mechanisms for the people to control the actions of their so called representatives. We need Piketty’s wealth tax and radical reform of banking and the entire financial system. Otherwise? Implosion and disaster loom.

    PS. I would lose personally from such measures, but we must take action to include the excluded, and make the idea that we are all in this together ring less hollow. Solidarity and equality must override self interested reverence for the past, and an unwritten constitution which favours only those currently in power.

  23. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 May, 2014 - 4:08 pm

    Plantation owners in the South used to treat their darkies like children who needed constant direction in life. I think that societal structure was hierarchical and patriarchal as well.

  24. Ah so. But whether you have noticed or not, they are not litigious with anyone who stands firm? Something you may, or may not, wish to bear in mind.

    But whatever your decision, there is an injustice taking place before our eyes, the likes of which are unique in this country’s history.

  25. ‘It is not skin colour that causes the abuse, though I realise that is something you would rather discuss.’

    Just a simple acknowledgement that this ‘hierarchical and patriarchal’ demographic is a recent import, a by-product of the immigration which is supposedly so enriching to the cultural desert that is western Europe, will do.

    For a more measured response to the trends manifested in the Euro Elections, this is a good place to start-

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/nigel-farage-and-the-fury-of-the-elites/15045#.U4NW73JdXYR

  26. OldMark

    That the problem is particularly marked in some (but by no means all) immigrant communities I certainly acknowledge. Strongly linked to separate schooling and the lack of housing and social integration which are a hallmark of so many strong New Labour areas, and from my own experience of Blackburn a result of deliberate New Labour social engineering to keep their core vote ignorant and united.

  27. 38 Degrees Logo

    It’s splashed across The Telegraph today: a group of MPs have come together to say that they need to regain our trust. [1] And they’re right. Many of us think that politics in the UK is broken. MPs can be sent to prison, can fiddle their expenses or break their promises and we can only get rid of them on election day. [2]

    But, we’ve got a chance right now to make things better. It looks like the government is making plans to announce new powers to sack – ‘recall’ – MPs who don’t do their job properly. Good huh? It would be, but it’s a stitch-up. [3]

    Their plans could put the power to sack MPs in their colleagues’ hands – not their constituents. The MPs speaking out today don’t think this is good enough. They’re backing real recall – so if enough people wanted to hold a by-election to sack their MP in between elections, they could.

    Today’s news will put the government under pressure. So let’s add to it. Let’s build a HUGE people-powered petition so they know we’re watching. Can you sign the petition now?
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/recall-2014

    A real recall law is not the answer to all of our democracy’s problems. But it’s a step in the right direction. And above all, it puts the power into our hands rather than MPs’.

    Real recall won’t mean that by-elections happen every day. There would be checks and balances in place so that MPs can get on with their jobs. It’s only the bad MPs who will need to worry.

    We need to send the government a clear signal, which means the petition needs to be big. Every signature will build the pressure they’ll be under.

    Here’s what one Conservative MP, Zac Goldsmith said:

    “As an MP, I’ve seen how public pressure can force the government’s arm – and they’re particularly sensitive about public trust in MPs right now. A massive petition could give David Cameron and Nick Clegg no option but to go back to the drawing board – and produce recall with bite.”

    NOTES
    [1] The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10850163/Let-voters-sack-underperforming-politicians-MPs-say.html
    [2] House of Commons Library: Recall Elections:
    http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/briefings/snpc-05089.pdf
    [3] BBC: Recall plan for MPs ‘is a stitch-up’:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22784664

  28. Jermyn St. Jim.

    26 May, 2014 - 4:50 pm

    (Via Mai Kari Hartvag Zimbleman) “A must listen, 37 min. The Lisbon treaty: the loss of democratic rights: removes and bans, than reintroduces the death penalty, for riots and upheavels and allows EU forces to enter any country. 27 former EU states have no constitution, how did this happen?
    This video is based on a speech by Rodney Atkinson at a public meeting at the Houses of Parliament on 26th Feb 2008 -updated 2010 Details for purchase of the audio copy see below.
    The EU is based on the Nazi plans published in Berlin in 1942 ” The Eu was founded and initially led by “former” Nazis and fascists, as was the Charlemagne prize awarded to TONY BLAIR, EDWARD HEATH, ROY JENKINS and others for their role in removing democratic sovereignty from the nation states of Europe”
    RODNEY ATKINSON is a former adviser to Ministers and an internationally praised author of 6 books on political economy and the crisis caused by the European superstate. He has broadcast on radio and television in the UK, Germany, Poland, Yugoslavia, Austria and the USA, and his books have been sold in more than 50 countries.

  29. Jermyn St. Jim.

    26 May, 2014 - 4:57 pm

  30. Important rule in life. Anyone who self describes as ‘an internationally praised author’ is a fruitcake. Your link removed.

  31. Falcone (the S is obviously superfluous if I don't kowtow)

    26 May, 2014 - 5:24 pm

    Who mentioned skin colour ?

    It was your cowardice in sidestepping it in the first place that you betrayed by your snide allusion to our “racism”.

    Even a useful idiot like George Galloway has got the guts to identify the Biradiri system (disgracefully encouraged by Labour) is at the heart of the issue.

  32. The people have shown that half measures will no longer do. What is needed at this juncture is more EU and more immigration. People are understandably disillusioned with the political classes. It is therefore critical that we proceed with full EU integration and the replacement of the xenophobic English working class. Blame the bankers. All opposition to immigration is racism. I have met Nigel Farage and let me assure you that in private he eats kittens. That is the choice. Independence or a kitty holocaust.

  33. good post Craig, but not a case in isolation. Farage immigration issues, albeit with slightly differing tonal emphasis, is an issue Golden Dawn are viciously expressing in Greece, its what Ms. Le pen is proclaiming in France, Yobic is shouting at the Roma in Hungary and what this cheeky chappie Bernd Lucke is on about.
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-portrait-of-bernd-lucke-and-the-new-german-right-a-969589.html

    And we have not even talked of Norways fascists, still not purged after Breivigs apparent solo attack, or the Svoboda’s in eastern Europe.

    A globalised world wants to trade with each other, with all the bells and whistles attached, ideally take as much for themselves as they can, for their prosperity and theirs alone, not to be shared with those whose resources we took or traded.
    But the free movement of globalised labour, answering the needs of various countries, is once again skewed towards our western specialists and engioneers accessing foreign work, whilst labourers who want to change their lot, from Africa Asia and further afield are rebuffed, denied work and sent back home.

    Not so the 350.000 US/Oz immigrants to this country, once again their access is preferred to that of eastern Europeans.
    Schengen is good for us, its a wall to others, an extra insurmountable hurdle for a person with little means.

    This fence will grow in height and the Wilders of this world, we totally forgot our Dutch fans of simple messages.

    The political parties don’t want to give us a fair voting system they can’t manipulate anymore, they would hate demarchy, because it would end the traditional politcal oligarchies and send them were they belong, into room 101, so whats the recipe to defeat UKIP in a first past the post system?

    vote tactically wherever you live?

    We both have seen the Biradiri system work in Blackburn, we know that postal voting is fraudulent and that our vote is not secret anymore, but recorded.

    Short of organising our own general election using NGO lobby groups and a proportional system, or using demarchy cause its cheaper for us all, I can’t see any way out.
    hey what an idea, what if more people vote in an alternatiove fair election, then in a first past the post lot, what will the BBC say if a citizen organised GE has more mandate than the political parties?

  34. South Africa had so-called elections on the 7th May 2014. It was,as usual, a racial head count with the ANC winning a landslide victory despite 50 million people being treated to a truly DREADFUL, incompetent and obscenely corrupt government and an even more dreadful and thoroughly nasty-piece-of-work President.
    Zuma just spent nearly a billion Rand of tax payers money on doing up his PRIVATE RESIDENCE yet he is still cheered to the rafters (as is Mugabe) in South Africa.
    This makes the complaints about the EU look like chicken feed actually.
    Just to keep in with the ANC’s Africa-for-the-Africans meme (locally known as TRANSFORMATION) Zuma and his ANC cronies have now got a law bulldozed through parliament that will actually make it a criminal offence to publish any government official’s corruption FACTS.
    Small wonder that not a single western state nor any of the BRICS showed up at Zuma’s inauguration.

  35. forgot to finish a sentence. After simple messages it should have read..’will become more numerous and more powerfull.’

  36. We must get the Scots out of the UK and fully locked into the EU before they twig like the English have. The English working classes are thick and racist. The Scots working classes are still lovely and tolerant and impressionable. I was in Poland once touring the castles. To the visiting government official, Europe is a wonderful place. It was during such times that I realised the petty concerns of the English plebs about jobs and houses are really so very insignificant. I will be with my wife in Spain shortly. What a wonderful system that we have created in which one’s spouse can nip abroad for her Master’s degree with the minimum degree of fuss! It is one of my profoundest political hopes that one day all Scots will be able to do this without even having to change currency. The ignorant English will, of course, fester in their racist and uneducated prejudices created by their inability to accept mass-immigration. Let them stew I say!

  37. “So please enlighten us on the turnout excluding those parts of the Ukraine where Putin’s bully boys stopped people from voting.”

    I don’t really know why I should be providing a know-all with facts he could easily research. But, hey, on our side we try to be helpful. The figures given in this report is 55.3% (excluding Eastern Ukraine regions) and the source is Kiev Post.

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/05/26/poroshenko-declares-victory-ukraine-elections-low-turn/

    “Pure comedy”.

    Most of the shit you write is.

    “The Euro Maidan started last November”

    The shooting from the boys you support started in February.

    Poroshenko was not supporting Yats so much as Klitschko’s prong of the three forks, but the NAZIs have been shown the back door as long as they can get them out of the secret services, which are the bane of every government and country.

    You clearly haven’t got a clue RD. But I am glad they voted the seedy lot you’ve been supporting out.

    Anyway, back to work for you tomorrow eh?

    Treat me with respect and I will stop dismantling the shit you post.

  38. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 7:04 pm

    Davebee
    26 May, 2014 – 6:02 pm

    “Zuma and his ANC cronies have now got a law bulldozed through parliament that will actually make it a criminal offence to publish any government official’s corruption FACTS.”

    “Small wonder that not a single western state nor any of the BRICS showed up at Zuma’s inauguration.”

    Not true Davebee:

    Representatives from Brazil, Russia India and China were there Davebee.

    As were representatives of Cuba and Nicaragua. Also in attendance was the UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon.

    http://www.news24.com/Elections/News/UN-chief-heads-of-state-to-attend-inauguration-20140523

  39. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 7:13 pm

    “Important rule in life. Anyone who self describes as ‘an internationally praised author’ is a fruitcake”
    __________________

    Very true, Craig.

    A wry smile also comes to one’s lips when one sees “is a former adviser to Ministers ” written as an expression of praise (one notes that it’s not usually stated who those Ministers are).

    Rodney Atkinson and his video remind me more than a little of Christopher Booker and “Doctor” Richard North (well-known fruitcakes both) and their magnum opus “The Great Deception – the secret history of the European Union” (secret no longer of course, thanks to the unflagging efforts ofBooker and North).

    It’s an obsessive, selective, mendacious work and as such I warmly commend it to the Eminences of this blog.

  40. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    Davebee
    26 May, 2014 – 6:02 pm

    I forgot to ask…

    Can you back up your statement with a link or reference?:

    “Zuma and his ANC cronies have now got a law bulldozed through parliament that will actually make it a criminal offence to publish any government official’s corruption FACTS.”

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 7:21 pm

    “Small wonder that not a single western state nor any of the BRICS showed up at Zuma’s inauguration.”

    Not true Davebee:

    Representatives from Brazil, Russia India and China were there Davebee.”
    ____________________________

    Evasive and in your usual half-truth style, Doug.

    When saying representatives of the BRICs, Doug, you should also have said that they were from the local diplomatic representations in Pretoria.

    I believe your comment seeks to give the impression that the BRIC representatives came in from abroad and were of high rank, eg Ministers or even Heads.

    By the way, there was also diplomatic representation (again, from the embassies on the spot) from Western countries.

    Hope that clarifies, Doug.

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 7:31 pm

    Craig

    “Falcone and OldMark,

    The reason these communities are so susceptible to postal ballot abuse is because they are hierarchical and patriarchal. It is not skin colour that causes the abuse, though I realise that is something you would rather discuss.”
    ____________________

    The above comment is unworthy. As I read them, Falcone and Old Mark were twitting you about your PC expression, which sounds strange from the pen of a man who seems anything but.

    What exactly is racist about saying that postal ballot abuse is more prevalent in Indian, Pakistani and Bangla Deshi communities than in others (eg Polish, Jewish, Italian, etc etc) if that is indeed the case?

  43. “What exactly is racist about saying that postal ballot abuse is more prevalent in Indian, Pakistani and Bangla Deshi communities than in others (eg Polish, Jewish, Italian, etc etc) if that is indeed the case?”

    What Craig did is explain why.

    And that explanation added more to our knowledge than simply naming a particular community.

    It also enables you to do something about the problem, were you so minded, because you’ve identified the factors that cause the problem.

    Just saying, the brown fellas did it, doesn’t get us very far.

  44. Davebee 6:02pm

    All that you report is quite tolerable. We got what we wanted in South Africa, that’s all that matters, and in any case we’ve moved on to Israel now.

  45. Nick Clegg Defiant After Elections Disaster

    The under-pressure Lib Dem leader admits being left with just one MEP was a “huge setback” but he says he will not walk away.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1269329/nick-clegg-defiant-after-elections-disaster

  46. Whereas across the Irish Sea, there are people who know how to do the decent thing.

    Gilmore resigns as Labour leader in aftermath of elections
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0526/619609-reshuffle/

  47. You know politicians are on the ropes when they start blaming the media. Salmond failed to achieve the kind of result last night that would put him on course to win the independence vote. Calling UKIP members racists and alleging a conspiracy with the BBC is easier than looking closer to home, I guess.

  48. There was a much higher turnout in Eire than here. 51.6%

    16 local council seats yet to be decided
    26 May 2014 21.07

    Only 16 of the 949 council seats available remain to be filled in the local authority elections.

    Fianna Fáil have made significant gains in the election and now hold 265 seats across the country, having received 25.3% of first preference votes.

    Independents and Others makes up the next largest grouping, holding 232 council seats following a first preference vote of 28.3%.

    Fine Gael support is down by more than a third since the General Election, with the party currently holding 229 seats.

    Sinn Féin has experienced considerable growth and now holds 157 seats and is the largest party on the Dublin City and South Dublin Councils.

    Labour has experienced a collapse in support to 7%, holding just 50 seats nationwide.

    Turnout nationally stood at 51.6%.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0526/619617-local-elections/

  49. “New Labour won almost nowhere except London. It is the party of London., with a leader who has never in his life lived outside London.”

    Apart from Living in Leeds, New York and at Harvard.

    Labour won more seats than everyone else put together. You’re talking utter rubbish.

    What a silly, angry man you’ve become, Craig.

    There were police in the polling booths in Tower Hamlets, Craig. And the allegations are made more against opponents of Labour than Labour.

    Postal voting is most common in the Northeast. Not the anti-women patriarchy you had in mind, eh?

    Gilligan standard.

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 11:54 pm

    Herbie

    “It also enables you to do something about the problem, were you so minded, because you’ve identified the factors that cause the problem.”
    _______________________-

    And what would that something be, Herbie?

    (Should be easy for you to answer, now that Craig’s identified “the factors that cause the problem”)

  51. Does “Tubby’ come from Liebour party HQ?

    When I looked to see where that is located, Contact Us on the Liebour website gives the location as a disused pub in Newcastle. ???

  52. Completely agree Craig. On the 1830s and 1848 revolutions coinciding with cholera epidemics i didn’t know about that, but i’m wondering if it could be similar to the medieval Peasan’ts revolt in England, which came after the Black Death. The shortage of peasant farmers and workers this created let them negotiate higher wages (until the King and parliament capped them) and this may have encouraged them to think they were powerful enough for a revolt to get somewhere (though they then chickened out by assuming the King couldn’t be to blame and it must just be his bad advisors and were crushed as a result)

  53. ‘There were police in the polling booths in Tower Hamlets, Craig. And the allegations are made more against opponents of Labour than Labour.’

    T Isaacs- can you verify that ? And which side’s ‘allegations’ actually have substance ?

    From this report of serious irregularities in Tower Hamlets it is unclear who the offenders were (politically speaking)-

    http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/limehouse_woman_s_anger_at_cyril_jackson_primary_school_polling_station_1_3614552#cxrecs_s

    Anyone who knows Tower Hamlets however can deduce the most likely explanation for two women entering the same polling booth is that the older one is illiterate in English, and the younger one (probably her daughter)is telling her where to mark her ballot paper.

    BTW in the Tower Hamlets mayorial election John Biggs (Lab) received 6000 postal votes. How man postal votes did the winner (Lutfur Rahman) receive ?

  54. The ‘democratic’ outcome is a disappointment to the camp here so accusations flying everywhere against everyone and no proof of misconduct in the running of the election.

    Who’s to blame?

    The system for failing to provide real choice.
    The postal voting system for fraud.
    The patriarchal culture in communities.
    The racist voters who hate immigrants.
    The immigrants who prevent family members voting differently.

    Who’s not to blame?

    The non-voter who voted to allow voters a louder voice.
    The vote-spoiler for the same reason but more wilfully.
    The common voter who wasn’t common enough to make an impact.

  55. There were Green party candidates to vote for whose policies were a mixture of socialist, environmentalist and pro-European. There were also anti-European socialist candidates to vote for (e.g NO2EU).

    There were hard right, anti EU, center-right and Liberal parties too.

    I find it hard to believe that there was no choice for voters.

  56. No word of celebration on the fact that the Greens overtook the Lib Dems Mr Murray?

  57. Unfortunately the Greens didn’t do as well as was hoped and only got one new MEP, which is a pity. It was more that the Lib Dem vote collapsed than that the Green vote rose all that much. Green share of the vote UK wide actually fell 0.75%. Very disappointing. Maybe they need to form a coalition with the small socialist parties, who have so far destroyed themselves with splits and factionalism.

    Then the UK or Scotland might have something similar to the Green-Red Syriza coalition in Greece.

  58. Tom (26 May, 2014 – 9:40 pm)

    Insipid pea-shooter character assassination, of no substance, and though your best shot, it missed by a country mile, it was so bad if you want you can have another go, to try get the hang of it, can’t say fairer than that!

    It’s perfectly OK to blame the media when they are hugely to blame, they’re hugely to blame for cutting down gentle democracy wherever its seeds fall, it roots and opens its fragile leaves to the catch the light and warmth of the sun, they cut it down and spray all around with toxic herbicide for good measure. It’s pleasing to know the BBCs ‘big beasts’ as represented by Dimbleby & Co. Ltd., Hereditary TV Presenters, Fact Stranglers and Laundry Service (Wednesdays only) by Royal appointment, run from Alex Salmond and from honest debate offered where the Dimbleby cannot be guaranteed a rigged setup, cannot work without a script provided, freezes then panics when his masters holler in his earpiece, in panic themselves at the thought of giving the SNP or any Scottish Independence supporting party or individual airtime. I think they’d rather pull the plug and show a test card than that. No one has terrified them like this for a long time, that their knee-jerks as if wired to the mains, you’d have to go back to Labour Party conferences of old, with with Benn and Foot at the height of their rhetorical and intellectual powers to see the BBC resort to blacking out all transmission than have bold truths laid before Britain’s people for them to hear, raw, unspun, and make their own minds up, with all the facts to make a proper informed fearless, because right, decision.

    Your pseudo scientific nonsense didn’t cut it, neither does the bitter unionist’s fallback tactic you’ve resorted to – after ludicrous scare scories: Scotland certain to be menaced by UFOs etc. – have stretched credulity well past breaking point, then try personalising a quite clear-cut debate you’re losing; that debate was Independence or more of the same Westminster criminal misrule, pandering to the shrinking pool of morally repugnant haves and the deluded lot who aspire to join them but will spend their lives miserably failing, happy enough believing there’ll always be someone lower than them to despise and to rob blind; the unionists and neo-cons lost that debate, now they’ve totally lost the plot.

    The BBC have no excuse as they’re so lavishly and effortlessly funded, free from the commercial imperative, it obtains our loot by extortion and by deception, trading on a mythical, utterly groundless reputation for objectivity, when all it ever has been is the mouthpiece of the state and of a rapacious few oligarchs hiding behind the curtain. The BBCs News and Current Affairs output is and for a long time has been truly awful, you might like it, more fool you, but for almost all others, the penny long ago dropped, their Big Lie game is up. Like many more, I don’t like one bit what they’ve been doing, it’s unforgiveable and many simply won’t take it anymore, we’ve had enough too of the BBCs ‘involuntary subscription’ model and recommend telling the TV Licensing swat team goons where to stick their extortion racket, and keeping the ransom money demanded instead to keep the power and gas on, the rent paid and subsistence foodstuffs on the table; us pioneers of a post-BBC world blog back that the air is refreshing and the horizons unlimited, the living good, the only cloud is sadness and concern for those stuck behind, glued to the box not yet fully able to re-adjust their mindset, to think things through as they once innately could, before the media lies and disinformation accumulated, and became oppressive obstacles strewn wildly across their mind’s pathways, and the infinite spaces of the imagination become cages, prisons and mazes. Break out, join us. Live again.

    I’ve yet to see a convincing scrap of tangible evidence for the existence of anything so preposterous as ‘BBC Scotland’ (surely a contradiction in terms), and the counter-evidence overwhelms, it is only one of many fictions which have outlived their effectiveness, we’ve grown out of them, we’ve no need for the Tooth-Fairy or Santa Claus, know it’s all make-believe, but we pretend sometimes still, just for fun.

    Other mythical beasts of imaginative fiction e.g. the ‘Scottish’ Labour/Tory/Lib-Them Parties, were once thought to exist also, but we know now they’re myths too, all there is London calling, demanding they bleed us dry soonest, increasingly shrilly calling its quislings and minions ‘attack, attack, there is NO alternative, but attack’.

  59. Tubby Isaacs

    ‘There were police in the polling booths at Tower Hamlets’. Err, yes – where do you think my information came from? In TH it is indeed true that independents as well as the party of war criminals were cheating. But that is as well as.

    I have not claimed that postal vote fraud is ONLY found in ethnic communities. It is a New Labour thing above all. So yes, it is indeed prominent in the North East of England. And in Fife. Thanks for proving my point.

  60. 5566h
    I am delighted the Greens overtook the Lib Dems. I voted Green. Pay attention.

  61. Tony M,5.08 am,

    Excellent post.

    Nails it.

  62. I voted Green in the European elections too. You don’t always get what you vote for.

    The people of Eastern Ukraine know that, having voted in a referendum to join Russia. They are now getting bombed to eternity from the new Poroshenko government and I apologise for misleading people and myself yesterday into thinking he might be a good man. I see now what they have elected, another thug.

    http://rt.com/news/161572-ukraine-slavyansk-shelling-civilian/

  63. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 8:44 am

    Mr Goss

    “The people of Eastern Ukraine know that, having voted in a referendum to join Russia. They are now getting bombed to eternity from the new Poroshenko government and I apologise for misleading people and myself yesterday into thinking he might be a good man. I see now what they have elected, another thug.”
    ____________________

    I think you’ve just performed a reverse ferret.

    But when you say “another thug” , don’t you mean “another NAZI thug”? I’d be sad to think that you’ve dropped the NAZI accusation and am therefore opening a sweepstake on how long it will take you to discover that the new President is in direct line from Hermann Goering (deceased).

  64. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 8:45 am

    It’s a bit simpler than all that.

    UKIP found a genuinely populist issue, associated themselves with it, and stuck with it. Immigration resonates…prices are rising, you can’t get housed, you can’t get a job. And here’s the alien hordes. At the very least, that’s more competition for jobs and a house, at worst, that’s our way of life down the tubes. That’s a very broad spectrum of opinion. It’s not going to go away as far as I can see, and I very much doubt it will be swayed by the promoters of immigration insisting that it’s good for us for a variety of rather questionable reasons. The spectrum of opinion knows who really benefits; market capitalists (Daily Mirror), or benefit scroungers (Daily Mail)…whatever.

    And UKIP found itself campaigning in an atmosphere of utter disillusionment with anything that looked like a mainstream politician, because the only function of mainstream politicians is to lie for their party, and that is now widely recognised. Massive protest vote + popular issue = electoral success. Simples. No need to analyse it further.

    Now, imagine if Labour or the Greens had (a) been able to retain their credibility – LOL- and (b) go to work on the massive inequality of income and opportunity we currently enjoy. Cameron’s head would be on a pike at the Tower of London, and his lapdog, Clegg, would be in Battersea Dogs’ Home. Another wasted opportunity.

  65. As you say John, a thug. He talked of unity. He is of course working for his masters.

    Clashes over control of Donetsk airport left at least 30 pro-Russian separatists dead, rebels say
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27584718

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 8:46 am

    Where’s Mary and her tag team this morning?

    Perhaps our “loss” will be her garden’s gain?

  67. Oddie

    Cutting and pasting articles into this comment section is not allowed. If you want to make an argument yourself and quote or link, that is fine, as long as it is on=topic (which they weren’t either).

  68. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 8:49 am

    Oh dear, I’ve just seen that our comments crossed.

    Please reconsider, Mary, bearing in mind that the garden might need you whereas we don’t?

    But whatever you decide, have a great and productive day!

  69. Mary, all war is abhorrent. If a country, region or island wants independence by a vast majority then that should be allowed, as in the case of the Falkland Islanders in their recent referendum. But I suspect that Kiev wants to treat Ukraine like Westminster treats Newcastle and the North of England in general, telling them you do the manual dirty work, and we’ll strut around in pin-striped suits. You keep the money coming in and we’ll keep counting it.

  70. Oddie, I don’t like John Kerry, but climate change is a very big problem that none of the main parties, and certainly not UKIP, can solve. The culpability lies, as I see it, with the US and started in the late sixties when Billy McCormac, father of the man who works in Sweden in partnership with Karl Rove to get Reinfeldt re-elected, was conducting high-atmospheric nuclear explosions causing a depletion of the ozone layer. This is destroying the coral reef around Australia and melting Antarctica. It is probably too late for the world so you are better off keeping your head in the sand as long as it’s not too close to the seashore.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2014/05/19/antarcticas-accelerating-ice-collapse-massive-sea-level-rise-in-decades/

    As with their wars the Yanks never do this shit on their own doorstep.

  71. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 10:09 am

    a depletion of the ozone layer. This is destroying the coral reef around Australia and melting Antarctica.

    No. Not on its own. Ozone depletion may contribute to the former by increasing solar UV irradiance, but high temperatures and ocean acidification (due to increased dissolved CO2) are much more important:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_bleaching

    Ditto Antarctica:

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/12/antarctic-ice-melt.html

  72. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 10:14 am

    …and ozone depletion is generally agreed to be due to emissions of refrigerant gases worldwide. Controls have not proved 100% effective, and new CFC’s were identified recently. Their source will be difficult to establish, but it is rather less likely to be the US than India or China.

    http://ec.europa.eu/environment/integration/research/newsalert/pdf/372na1.pdf

  73. Unbelievably they are still counting in Tower Hamlets!

    27 May 2014 10:13
    Tower Hamlets count to restart after two suspensions
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27585346

  74. The resident inviligator/interrogator is, as usual, displaying his vicarious nature.

  75. Thanks Ba’al for your explanations. I’m not sure the science about CO2s is correct. It is too convenient to blame it on ordinary people, though I do not doubt that CO2 gases can cause depletion of ozone. I confess I don’t have the science but I can remember dentists telling us to brush our teeth side to side, then it was up and down, then it was circular, that filling your teeth was better for you than leaving them alone, and false teeth were better for you than the ones you were blessed with, and much of it turned out to be shit. Science and scientific explanations for events can historically prove to be as false as false teeth.

  76. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 11:05 am

    Your criteria for belief are different to mine, John. Let’s leave it at that.

  77. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 11:24 am

    He’s never far away. Ok, he’s just back from Kazakhstan.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2640015/We-not-bothered-migration-Blair-criticised-complaining-voters-elected-Ukip-MEPs.html

    Elsewhere on record as saying:

    You look a little bit beneath that Ukip facade and you see something, in my view, pretty nasty and unpleasant.

    Didn’t look under the regime’s facade in Astana last week, did you, Tone? Hard to find out what you did contribute, apart from some platitudinous noises about globalisation.

    Of no interest to the Faith Foundation ™ -

    http://barthsnotes.com/2014/05/23/kazakh-atheist-may-face-seven-year-sentence/

  78. The BBC version who give him a lot of house room. Is that the Purnell effect at work?

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/freedom-cheaper-than-iraq-war/#comment-459099

  79. Who is behind the ICM poll giving the thumbs down to Clegg?

    Nick Clegg and Lib Dems face wipeout in damning opinion poll verdict
    Exclusive: Internal ICM polling shows Clegg would lose his Sheffield Hallam seat in 2015
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/nick-clegg-and-lib-dems-face-battle-for-survival

    It was being said that it was a wealthy LD donor.

  80. ICM are also saying this about Scotland.

    What future for the British brand?
    In the event of Scottish independence a third of Britons are less likely to deal with companies based in Scotland.
    http://www.icmresearch.com/data/media/posts/slideshow/scot-1.png

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICM_Research Very little info there.

    Company Check

    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/02571387/ICM-RESEARCH-LIMITED/directors-shareholders

    Parent http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00210505/CRESTON-PLC/directors-shareholders
    Crikey! Assets £37.6m

    City Group plc is a ‘director’ of both companies. Can a plc be a director? I don’t know.
    http://www.city-group.com/

  81. My congratulation to Molly Scott cato, newly elected Green MEP for the South West. She is an economist who will make some very pertinent points to the accounting methods and silence at display by the auditors of the EU, I’m sure.

    Wheter she will make a ban on freemasons in public office the biggest ever feminist issue to be righted, is to be seen.
    Labour performed dismally, just made sure their supporters came out, an election decided by those who did not vote.

    In South Norfolk UKIP nearly pipped the Tories and the Greens were the fourth party, not the Lib Dems. If UKIP would field a locally well known person as their GE candidate they might be able to get elected.

    http://www.south-norfolk.gov.uk/democracy/media/South_Norfolk_Result_of_Poll.pdf

  82. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 2:30 pm

    Guess who’s coming to Rossendale and Darwen…

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/will-straw-im-deeply-angry-with-blair-for-taking-us-to-war-and-for-the-shoddy-way-he-betrayed-my-fathers-loyalty-6732417.html?action=gallery&ino=3

    Think you’ll find your new constituents are deeply-angry-with-blair, too, Will. But also with your dad. For-facilitating-uncontrolled-mass-immigration and progressing-universal-surveillance, perhaps.

  83. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 2:34 pm

    100% of the LibDem’s MEP’s are women though….score 100 feminist points.

    That’s all one of her.

    http://www.libdems.org.uk/meps

    Complete list.

  84. Thanks for that link, Ba’al, that could have been me being put in jail for the exact same reasons, what a dangerous farce, poor sod.

    TB was giving artificial resucitation/advice to Radio 4 this morning, as if it was their ultimate arbiter, the indefinate answer to the problem of rightwing parties exploiting otherness and imigration in Europe.

    In Peterborough and Blackburn with Darwen Labour thugs beat up UKIP candidates, alledgedly, the other Blair legacy from the attack on Iraq.

    Has the BBC not learned enough from his lying days that they still attach themselves to his navel?

  85. Phew, that earlier comment grew somewhat beyond its original origins.

    What has become apparent in short is that BBC ARE the NO campaign, the rancid brain and the bloated bulk of it -they’re not helping it, supporting it or anything so ordinary: they comprise it, not content with mis-reporting and biased commentary on politics, they’ve joined in and are running the NO show, this is mission creep at its terrifying worst. The other parties, the NO-bodies are just the supporting cast playing all other parts.

  86. ‘My congratulation to Molly Scott cato, newly elected Green MEP for the South West. She is an economist who will make some very pertinent points to the accounting methods and silence at display by the auditors of the EU, I’m sure.’

    Everyone had hopes that Ms Andreasen would expose the frauds within but what happened? She got sacked, joined UKIP and left them to join the Tories.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marta_Andreasen

  87. I do not know Ms Andeasen, but I do know Molly scott Cato. All the power to her arms, I wish her well.

  88. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 3:39 pm

    I also was mystified by Radio 4 wheeling the million-dollar pariah in, this morning. Fortunately I was elsewhere when he spoke. Summaries I have seen suggest that he is as usual talking complete bollocks and has no real understanding of the situation as it applies to Nude Labour. Labour has to admit that there is a huge mismatch between massive immigration and the provision of housing, services and jobs in an economy which assumes that real wages at the lower end of the scale must continue to drop. To that extent it has to agree with UKIP. Then, the problem admitted, it can offer alternative solutions. If it has any.

    BTW, anyone know where all the letter ‘t”s dropped by Osborne lately might be recovered? He’s developed a terminal case of what we lovers of English call “Demo’ic Glo”al Stop”. I think this may be down to UKIP, too, as the hapless toff tries to adapt to Essex Man.

  89. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 3:49 pm

    “BTW, anyone know where all the letter ‘t”s dropped by Osborne lately might be recovered? He’s developed a terminal case of what we lovers of English call “Demo’ic Glo”al Stop”. I think this may be down to UKIP, too, as the hapless toff tries to adapt to Essex Man.”
    ______________________

    Well, he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. I agree it is pathetic for grown men to affect an Essex Man accent – the accent of the uneducated vulgarian – but you see, the problem is that if he speaks with his normal, good accent you’d immediately have middle-class ignoramuses like Mary bitching on about his “poshness” and how “out of touch” he is.

    Of course, the vulgar accent holds sway these days wherever you listen and look. It’s all very sad.

  90. Ba'al Zevul (Bounderby's Bastard Brother)

    27 May, 2014 - 4:08 pm

    Memories….

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18569101

    On Friday Mr Miliband said that Labour had made a mistake in allowing unlimited access to work in the UK when the first wave of eastern European countries joined the EU.

    Asked about the criticism, Mr Blair said: “I think it’s fair in some ways – I actually took the decision.

    Copyright 2012, Anthony “Jesus Calls Me Tony” Blair Associates LLP

  91. We are not supposed to have a class system now. We are ALL in it together. Remember or were you somewhere else at the time when Agent Cameon was sounding off? Anyway, it proves what phonies Gideon and his crowd are.

    http://www.newstalk.ie/Growing-numbers-taking-lessons-to-sound-less-posh

    btw I am not middle class. I come from working class roots of which I am very proud.

    Shirley Williams has just been on Sky News defending Clegg. What a fine man. Noble too for joining in a coalition to save the country! Nothing whatsoever to do with a grab by him for power.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1269595/nick-clegg-it-has-been-a-massive-set-back

  92. PS I cannot prevent the troll including slurs against me or mentions of me in his comments.

  93. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 5:00 pm

    Mary

    “btw I am not middle class. I come from working class roots of which I am very proud.”
    ___________________

    Evasive. Your roots may well be working class (and there is no reason for you not to be proud of them), but you are – in the here and now – firmly middle class.

    Or do you wish to deny that?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    On George Osborne’s accent: can you assure me that if he were to speak only in his normal, good accent, you would not at some stage – probably sooner rather than later – use that to throw a few sneers in his direction?

    **********************

    Ban estuary English and low, vulgar accents.

  94. Craig turns his back and our most pityfull cyberstalker Habby is once again acosting Mary with his spurious and shallow dalliances.

    Nothing at all to say about EU values as he has no knowledge of them, just as the rest of the misguided, fed on celebrity gossip and best EU information he has nowt but bent bananas on his mind.

  95. Craig is busy packing Nevermind. If only he could take some extra baggage with him to Spain and the baggage could then play some volleyball there to amuse himself. I think it is too wet and cold here for volleyball ;)

    PS Were the BBC exaggerating about the Norwich weather today?
    Hope you and yours are OK. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-27585524

  96. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 6:42 pm

    Nevermind

    “he has nowt but bent bananas on his mind.”
    _______________

    And you sound as if you have a bent banana lodged firmly in your fundament

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Mary

    Don’t worry, I’ll soon be beach volley-ing away again (NOT volleyball, that’s for the girls!), gamboling around on the beaches, flirting with the ladies, yacking away with friends and so so. But never fear, I shall continue to keep a vigilant eye open for this blog, willing as always to praise and to censure without fear or favour and keen to follow progress.

    But to business and I’ll ask you again Mary : do you consider yourself to be middle class or not?

    All the indicators point in that direction, but do feel free to tell me I’m mistaken.

  97. No Mary, it was attrocious all day with more to come tommorrow.

  98. As the troll seems to be obsessed with ‘class’ perhaps we could be told where he sees himself fitting in.

    People are people. I do not like divisiveness of any kind.

    Class – a system of ordering society whereby people are divided into sets based on perceived social or economic status.

  99. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 8:18 pm

    Mary

    “As the troll seems to be obsessed with ‘class’ perhaps we could be told where he sees himself fitting in.

    People are people. I do not like divisiveness of any kind.”
    ______________________–

    But you do your best, through your posts, to foster divisiveness.

    Your answer really won’t do.

    When you’re not wittering on about Israel/Palestine you spend a lot of time denouncing the Royal Family, the rich, the successful as well as those who are married or even just related to any of the latter; and you spend a lot of time defending (as you see it) the oppressed workers, wage slaves and underpriviledged.

    So I was merely wondering whether you were yourself one of the sufferings masses on whose behalf you so often post or whether you were a Tony Crosland or Tony Benn type of person who leads a relatively (even very) comfortable middle-class type of life while at the same time issuing a steady stream of denunciations.

    No criticism intended, just asking out of interest ‘coz you’re such a frequent commenter and usually negatively.

    **********************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  100. You are very boring. I am not responding as I am sure people coming here do not wish to read such drivel nor do I wish to be involved in your attempt to dominate the thread with it.

  101. @John: I’d almost given up on this blog in despair after reading what you were saying about Willi Wonka. I’m glad you’ve reconsidered, but I don’t think the n word is inappropriate after what has been happening in Eastern Ukraine… people now being driven out their homes, their towns, indeed out of Eastern Ukraine altogether. Guernica was a good definition of fascism, or state terrorism. Is the elimination of people in Donbass with a different view very much different?

    PS Don’t bother with RT for news (although some interesting documentaries), use Twitter for what is really going on in the towns and cities of Eastern Ukraine.

  102. The real reason behind it all? Craig might appreciate this because he seemed to be right on the money re Enron & the Taliban:

    http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2014/05/14/son-of-biden-joins-cyprus-based-corp-with-ukrainian-fracking-contract-in-crimea-and-dneper-donetsk-basin/

  103. Another interesting and thought-provoking article:

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117885/putin-abandons-panic-donetsk

    Looks like Putin has chosen being part of the “New World Order”?

  104. Peacewisher 27 May, 2014 – 9:31 pm

    In a way I understand the position Putin is in. More than 90% in Eastern Ukraine are pro-Russian, but if Putin intervenes he will be accused of interfering in the affairs of another country – which as we know is the sole domain of the US. While he probably wants to intervene on behalf of the decent residents it would give the US led NATO forces an opportunity to expand their horizons.

    Even understanding his dilemma if I was him I do not think I could sit back and watch good people be butchered by their own government. It will only make those in the Donetsk and the Donbass region. Some disturbing pictures here but the notices held by the children have messages like ‘Save Donbass Region’ and ‘We want to live’.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It9kG1h5DZI

  105. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 11:21 pm

    Mary

    “You are very boring. I am not responding as I am sure people coming here do not wish to read such drivel nor do I wish to be involved in your attempt to dominate the thread with it.”
    ______________________

    From which answer I deduce that you are comfortably-off middle class and that your concern for the downtrodden masses is of the Tony Crosland/Tony Benn kind.

    Nothing wrong with that per se, so I don’t see why you’re trying so hard to keep the fact from your readers.

  106. @John: Putin would surely have been aware of such an accusation, and how to deal with it, from the start. I get the impression that he tried to “do a deal” with the chocolate king, but Washington has intervened, taken advantage of Putin’s focusing on economic interests, and seized the initiative. They’ve figured that he won’t intervene for a “People’s Republic”, and they are probably right. I’m sure RT reporters have known that for some time, and are probably embarrassed and feel helpless. Remember Fallujah? We were told by the good old BBC to “close our eyes and be strong”, or something similar.
    Maybe people are more connected now #savedonbasspeople

  107. Habbakuk,

    Mary has repeatedly made it clear she wishes no dialogue with you.

    So stop pestering/stalking her.

    It’s really quite sinister what you’re doing.

    Her private life is not your business.

  108. John Goss -

    u r entitled to believe manmade global warming is real & requires
    trading carbon dioxide emissions to fix it.

    after all, Prince Charles said it’s real at the “Inclusive Capitalism” conference in London yesterday, two days before the “exclusive” Bilderberg conference gets underway in Copenhagen.

    (4 pages)Retired officers poised to profit after Pentagon’s alarmist climate change report
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/26/sponsors-of-pentagons-alarm-raising-climate-study-/

    to anyone who is sceptical, tho, watch your pension funds. the delegates at the “inclusive” affair control $30 trillion of assets under investment.
    http://blueandgreentomorrow.com/2014/05/27/prince-charles-capitalism-should-serve-humanitys-interests-and-concerns/

  109. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 7:32 am

    Hello Jonathan

    “Habbakuk,

    Mary has repeatedly made it clear she wishes no dialogue with you.

    So stop pestering/stalking her.

    It’s really quite sinister what you’re doing.

    Her private life is not your business.”
    ________________________

    What’s the matter with you, Jives? And why are you so fond of the word “sinister”?

    Have you asked for Mary’s permission before taking the floor?

    As for Mary’s “private life”, well, she’s given us far more snippets of info off her own bat than I’ve ever asked her. And anyway, I don’t think asking whether her socialism is of the Dennis Skinner sort (=working class) or the Tony Benn kind (=comfortably-off, concerned middle class) is really an intrusion into her private life.

    So if you’re Mary’s Jeevsian valet, get buggered off :)

  110. Labour have lost in Tower Hamlets. No overall control. The count is now being ‘probed’ by the Electoral Commission.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27585346

    Electoral Commission. The place persons.

    Two new commissioners ‘approved by Her Maj’ needless to say
    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/news-releases-corporate/two-new-electoral-commissioners-approved

    and the rest
    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/our-work/who-we-are/the-commissioners

  111. Habbabkuk,

    I use the word ‘sinister’ so frequently in relation to you because,quite simply,you are sinister.

    Particularly in regard to your apparent fixation with Mary.

    So i dont for a moment buy your attempts at faux-mannered insights.

    You are a pretentious slimy oaf.

    But a dark and sinister one at that.

    Now piss off troll Ok?

  112. “It will only make those in the Donetsk and the Donbass region.”

    should have read:

    “It will only make those in the Donetsk and the Donbass region more opposed to Poroshenko.”

  113. Loving the use of the word ‘leaders’ in this.

    Leaders agree to review EU agenda at Brussels summit
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27599171

    The ‘leaders’ are being led by Rumpy Pumpy. All hope is lost. Women and children first. Abandon ship!

  114. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 8:50 am

    I’m mildly entertained by Oddie’s faith in the Washington Times. Perhaps he’s a Moonie?

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Washington_Times

    Or maybe just rooting for ALEC, of which the WT is a founder member….

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/ALEC_Corporations

    Not corporate at all then.

  115. Oddie, I don’t doubt for a minute that there are profiteers out of the ‘climate change’ industry. But remember for decades the US (one of the biggest polluters putting profit first) shared your belief that there was no problem. I think anybody today who does not believe that global temperatures are increasing and sea levels rising are going about with their eyes shut. I never read anything if I can avoid it about or written by the Royals. I know we are being fed false information but perhaps you can cast your mind back to winters in your childhood if you are of my generation, when Jack Frost crept up the windows creating beautiful patterns, and and boys were sliding on polished-frost slides in school playground. Those days have gone.

    We cannot do much about it so in some ways your approach has a modicum of credibility. I also believe that the planet has the capability of replenishing itself, but mankind is the bacteria that is attacking it. There are feverish times ahead.

  116. Terrible slaughter in Donbass Oblast, 100 dead, and Pravy Sector and other extreme fascists in control of military. No peaceful future. How much better it was under Yanukovich. The US has brought nothing but death to Ukraine.

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/05/27/ukraines-poroshenko-promises-war-100-killed-in-kievs-new-campaign/

  117. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 9:42 am

    John Goss

    The fascist thugs and desperadoes fomenting secession in eastern Ukraine would be well advised that the game is now up following the democratic election of a new state President. It is time that they realise that their attempts to set up a separate Mafia-state have failed and that they should cease inflicting further misery and suffering on their innocent fellow-citizens.

  118. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 9:48 am

    Jives (07h46)

    * go and get some sleep

    * go and sleep it off

    (delete whichever not applicable)

    I’ll excuse your vulgar, intemperate, prattish language on the grounds that you are probably tired and emotional. :)

  119. Here’s one for Craig, the chocolate manufacturer who is pummeling the Donbass region, is also exploiting slave labour in West Africa for his chocolate supplies.

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/05/28/poroshenko-ukraines-candy-king-sticky-fingers/

  120. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 9:54 am

    Jives

    BTW, I forgot to ask : are you a Dennis Skinner type of socialist or are you the Tony Crosland/Tony Benn kind?

  121. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 10:00 am

    John Goss

    Bolstered by his democratic legitimacy, the new President of Ukraine will – I hope – lose no time in bringing to a rapid end the attempts by various fascist thugs to create a Mafia-state in eastern Ukraine.

    Those thugs would also be well advised to stop shoving women, children and old people into harm’s way. Once order has been restored, it is to be hoped that the perpetrators will be brought to face justice.

  122. What legitimacy is that, Habby? The truly independent candidates were threatened into withdrawing, and in the end the choice was a bit of a Hobson’s choice. Notice that the two very far right candidates got 1.5% support, which means 450000… Yow! Still, they should be very effective guardians of the Biden fracking operations.

  123. Perfectly sober Habbabkuk,up with the larks this morning i was.

    Interesting you picked up on my repeated use of the word “sinister” to describe you.

    Guilty conscience eh?

    Do check my gangstalking link.Its what happens when state actors overreach.

    Sinister eh?

  124. The fair trade organisation is not much better in spreading equality and equity in west Africa, John, its not just mr. Potorenko/shenko or whatever he’s called.
    Cocoa is still a cartel with African producers of value added chocolate being sparse in our markets. All this twaddle about fair trade has been OTT and the same multinationals employing this NGO, are giving it a bad name, making fair trade impossible through their ruthless control.

    Child l;abour is just one issue, pay is another. I would happily pay 5 pence more for chocolate if I knew it reaches the farmer who works most for our treats, but that won’t happen with multinational selfish shareholders in charge.

  125. “Child labour is just one issue, pay is another. I would happily pay 5 pence more for chocolate if I knew it reaches the farmer who works most for our treats, but that won’t happen with multinational selfish shareholders in charge.”

    Me too. Same with organic food, if you could trust the labels, and know that the organic farmer was on the receiving end of the extra dosh. My understanding is that if the produce from non organic farms looks inferior they mark it as organic and inflate the price. Source: something I saw on mainstream TV, so not sure how much trust can be placed on it.

  126. Fall out. Oakeshott is bailing out.

    Oakeshott quits Lib Dems with Clegg ‘disaster’ warning
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27604131

    His niece Isabel is the Times’ political editor.

    Cable ignored reporters’ questions in China.

    Clegg Poll: Vince Cable Must Address Claims

    Lord Oakeshott’s old chum must say what he knew about the botched coup to get rid of Nick Clegg, writes Sky’s Jon Craig.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1270711/clegg-poll-vince-cable-must-address-claims

  127. Tubby Isaacs

    28 May, 2014 - 5:00 pm

    Craig,

    So you’ve got information from the police? Did they not stop the canvassing in the polling booths? They apparently did nothing but thought “Let’s tell that bloke who runs that website!”

    I haven’t proved your point at all, nor have you. Labour has no need at all to cheat in the North East. It’s donkey in a red rosette country. What on earth would the point be? Didn’t your Liberal Democrat pals really go for postal votes in Eastleigh?

    Pardon me for thinking you were associated postal voting problems with Asian voters. Didn’t you offer some man in the pub anthropology up there about patriarchal communities? Doubtless that meant Geordies. And didn’t you do some “bet Blackburn’s the highest again” lark, when they weren’t before? Or was that just a figure of speech?

  128. Tubby Isaacs

    28 May, 2014 - 5:07 pm

    I suppose there’s no chance of you backing up that “Blackburn will have the highest again” lark, is there? With actual postal voting statistics like I gave you?

    Broadbrush conspiracy these days, Craig?

  129. Tubby Isaacs

    28 May, 2014 - 5:11 pm

    Mary

    It says those “place persons” on the Electoral Commission were approved by Parliament.

  130. Tubby Isaacs

    28 May, 2014 - 5:17 pm

    What’s this then?

    http://liberalconspiracy.org/2013/03/02/ukip-steals-the-xenophobe-breaking-down-the-eastleigh-result/

    Lib Dems win Eastleigh by-election because of postal votes, losing the in person votes to UKIP.

    Can’t find how many postal votes there were. Apparently 14,000 issued, per Rowena Mason.

  131. TubbyHabbyWubbyBubby.

  132. Tubby, your commendable damage limitation exercfise aside, have you been in Blackburn during the 2010 GE campaign and were you present at the count when 2000 postal votes disappeared?

    Have you seen Mohammed Khan come out of one of his relatives homes with two heavy bags full of postal votes?

    Jack Straws regime in Blackburn has turned politics into a mugs/thugs game, to deny it would be denying history.

  133. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 6:03 pm

    Jives

    “Interesting you picked up on my repeated use of the word “sinister” to describe you.”
    _______________________

    and interesting that you should think that, given that I didn’t pick up on that word at all (because meaningless):

    “Jives (07h46)

    * go and get some sleep

    * go and sleep it off

    (delete whichever not applicable)

    I’ll excuse your vulgar, intemperate, prattish language on the grounds that you are probably tired and emotional. :)

    Do you often see pink spiders climbing up the wall?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=

    By the way, I notice that you haven’t divulged yet whether you are a Dennis Skinner type of socialist or rather of the Tony Crosland/Tiny Benn persuasion.

    Why so coy?

  134. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 6:05 pm

    Tiny Benn , indeed! TONY Benn (although his political impact was tiny).

  135. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 6:17 pm

    Peacewisher

    The content of your comments belies your moniker.

    “What legitimacy is that, Habby?”

    ________________________

    The legitimacy of free and fair elections, certified as such by OSCE (except in the eastern regions of Ukraine, where pro-Russia bully boys and hired fascist thugs succeeded to some extent in intimidating people into not voting.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “The truly independent candidates were threatened into withdrawing,”
    _______________

    Respectable links to back up that assertion, please.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Notice that the two very far right candidates got 1.5% support, which means 450000… Yow!”
    _____________________

    Indeed, and in the unlikely event if there ever being free and fair elections in China, no doubt 1,5% would also vote for rather unpleasant parties, which means 8.000.000…Yow!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Still, they should be very effective guardians of the Biden fracking operations.”
    ______________________

    Any thoughts on the environment-friendly aspects of industrial development in Russia and China, Peacewisher?

    ********************

    I fear that you are a mere Excellence (candidate- level, of course).

  136. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    28 May, 2014 - 6:25 pm

    Jives

    “TubbyHabbyWubbyBubby.”

    __________________

    How old are you, Jonathan?

  137. I see we have a worthy replacement for Fedup as blog piss-head in the form of Jives.

  138. The Electoral Commission faced widespread criticism for the handling of the 2010 UK general election,[1][2][3] including allegations of fraudulent postal voting,[2] polling stations being unprepared for an evening surge of voters,[4] policing of voters protesting at one polling station,[4][5] and only enough ballot papers for 80% of voters.[6]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Commission_(United_Kingdom)
    Organisation[edit]

    Commissioners and Chief Executive
    Jenny Watson was appointed by the Speakers Committee in January 2009 as the second Chair of the Electoral Commission. Ms Watson was previously Chair of the Equal Opportunities Commission.
    Max Caller is Chair of the Boundary Committee for England.
    Henrietta Campbell is the Commissioner with responsibility for Northern Ireland.
    Ian Kelsall is the Commissioner with responsibility for Wales.
    John McCormick is the Commissioner with responsibility for Scotland.
    Tony Hobman.
    Peter Wardle is the current Chief Executive of the Electoral Commission.

    From 1 October 2010, four additional Commissioners will serve on a part-time basis who are nominated by the leaders of political parties, scrutinised by the Speaker’s Committee on the Electoral Commission and approved by the House of Commons by means of an Address to the Queen requesting their appointment. Those nominated by the three largest parties serve terms of four years, while the Commissioner nominated by a smaller party serves for a two-year term. The appointments of nominated Commissioners are renewable once.[7] The first of these Commissioners will be as follows:[8]
    Baroness Browning (Conservative)
    David Howarth (Liberal Democrat)
    Lord Kennedy of Southwark (Labour)
    George Reid (Scottish National Party)

    The Commissioners are supervised by the Speaker’s Committee.

    Bercow chooses five of the members of that Committee.

    The Committee comprises nine MPs: the Speaker of the House of Commons (who also serves as its chair), the Lord President of the Council,[2] the Chair of the select committee responsible for electoral issues,[3] the minister responsible for local government, and five others nominated by the Speaker who are not Ministers of the Crown.[4] As of 12 November 2012, the members of the Committee are as follows:

    John Bercow, ex officio as Speaker of the House of Commons (Chair)
    Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat), ex officio as Lord President of the Council[2]
    Graham Allen (Labour), ex officio as Chair of the Political and Constitutional Reform Select Committee[3]
    Vacant, a minister responsible for local government responsible for local government appointed by the Prime Minister
    Gerald Kaufman (Labour)[5]
    Eleanor Laing (Conservative)[6]
    Gary Streeter (Conservative)[5]
    Naomi Long (Alliance)[7]
    Bridget Phillipson (Labour)[7]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker%27s_Committee_on_the_Electoral_Commission

    As usual it’s not what you know, it’s who you know. As I said before, place persons. They appoint place persons ad infinitum.

  139. ‘I know nothing’. Vince Cable

    Vince Cable said he had “absolutely no knowledge” of the opinion polls done in Nick Clegg’s constituency
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27604131

  140. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    28 May, 2014 - 7:24 pm

    “Me too. Same with organic food,”

    I have that same concern John. When USDA certifies something I get worried. Better to rely on local farmer’s markets where you know the grower. Many times they are organic, but don’t wish to bother with certification and attendant fees.

  141. Habby. This is what I mean regarding “Free and Fair Elections”:

    “Free and fair, or genuine, means that elections offer equal opportunities for all competing parties and candidates. Such equality requires the ability of political parties and candidates to register for office without unreasonable requirements, balanced access to the media for all candidates, the absence of campaign finance abuse, and an independent electoral process.”

    http://www.democracyweb.org/elections/principles.php

  142. Ben This was good news from Oregon. Some resistance to GMOs and Monsanto.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/05/gmos-in-oregon-what-would-subcomandante-marcos-say/

    The essay added at the end Marching Against Monsanto by Mae-Wan Ho, is super stuff too. It came from:

    http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Marching_against_Monsanto.php

    The Institute of Science in Society
    http://www.i-sis.org.uk/index.php

  143. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    28 May, 2014 - 8:59 pm

    Mary; I have a local Seventh-Day adventist health food store and they had bags of wheat and corn from ADM and Monsanto signifying non-gmo. I asked the clerk how it’s substantiated and he shrugged his shoulders and said they had a contract. Can no one be trusted fully?

  144. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    28 May, 2014 - 9:40 pm

    Link is broke, Mary. As I understand UKIP it seems cover for conservatives running from that moniker. Not too say there aren’t sincere converts, but the same dynamic has been at work in US for some years. It seems like a hiding place for many.

  145. Good link Peacewisher at 8.45 pm.

  146. “Tubby, your commendable damage limitation exercfise aside, have you been in Blackburn during the 2010 GE campaign and were you present at the count when 2000 postal votes disappeared?

    Have you seen Mohammed Khan come out of one of his relatives homes with two heavy bags full of postal votes?

    Jack Straws regime in Blackburn has turned politics into a mugs/thugs game, to deny it would be denying history.”

    No, I wasn’t in Blackburn in 2010.

    I do though understand that MPs don’t have a “regime” over their constituencies. Councils run the place.

    And in 2010 it was under No Overall Control. Not least because it’s got some of the Tory friendly Rossendale and Darwen seat in it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackburn_with_Darwen_local_elections#Political_control

    Have you any evidence Blackburn consistently has the highest level of postal votes?

    In the absence of which, I’ll assume Blackburn is featuring largely because Craig (who I’d have voted for in 2005, no question) didn’t do very well there.

  147. “As usual it’s not what you know, it’s who you know. As I said before, place persons. They appoint place persons ad infinitum.”

    And approved by Parliament as a whole. But yes, people get nominated who are popular with the rest of Parliament. I can’t imagine George Galloway, who I think is a valuable MP, getting nominated for it.

    It’s like Ofsted. Answerable to Parliament directly.

  148. Sinister HabbyWubbyBubbyTubby,

    No i aint a socialist;Skinner and Benn never interested me.

    I am 106 years old.

    Page 1 of The Sockpuppet Troll manual dictates the need to use deceit abd subterfuge.

    I busted you on your first post here,renember?

    Obviously still rankles with you doesnt it? Your whole fake mission was blown.

    Guess thats why you resort to sinister gang-stalking of certain posters eh?

    Now go and change your string vest will ya?

    You are the Rupert Pupkin of this blog.

  149. Ben The link for the sacked UKIP councillor is http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/28/ukip-councillor-sacked-newly-elected

    Before I must have tagged the captcha answer on to the end!

  150. No need to put the boot in on GG Tubby. You persist in seeing it all as a fair playing field. It is not. There is preferment and there always has been. Safe pairs of hands and stooges for the lobby groups are what is called for and willingly offered.

    I expect you know of the large number of MPs in each of the three main parties who belong to Friends of Israel groups. There are also the All Party Parliamentary lobby groups for various causes. Little transparency in all of them.

    There is hidden patronage in these lists. Note some of the connections behind those who are supplying assistance to MPs and/or their assistants.

    This is the first of many lists A-C. Look at the names of Christine Aird, David Chaplin and Clare Chipp for instance. They all went to Auschwitz either under the auspices of BICOM or the Holocaust Education Trust.

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmsecret/140519/staff-01.htm

    How many people would know of the existence of these registers and/or look at them?

    Contents
    Introduction
    Purpose and Form of the Register
    Administration of the Register
    Complaints
    Information and advice about the Register and the rules governing it

    Section 1: List of Staff
    Abbas, Y to Corrigan, R
    Costa, F to Harji, E
    Harkins, J to McCourt, D
    McCracken, M to Sagar-Fenton, B
    Salisbury, E to Zuchowska, H

    Section 2: List of Sponsoring Members
    Abbott, D to Creagh, M
    Creasy, S to Hammond, S
    Hancock, M to Mann, J
    Marsden, G to Roy, L
    Ruane, C to Zahawi, N
    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmsecret/140519/contents.htm

  151. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 9:03 am

    Tubby Isaacs….wouldn’t trust him to run a whelk stall. And no, he isn’t Habbalaff.

  152. Out of interest, Straw’s entry

    STRAW Jack

    Deborah Crewe Freelance writer/ghost writer/editor: BCSG (business services), Simon & Schuster (publishing), Hamad Medical Corp (health), West London Synagogue (religion), Civil Service Selection (civil service selection).

    Daniel Sleat Overseas Visits: 6-7 June 2013, to Istanbul, Turkey to attend a conference with Jack Straw MP. Flights paid for by ‘Rethinking Global Challenges: Constructing a Common Future for Turkey and the EU’(a project based in Turkey), which is co-financed by the EU under the IPA ( Instrument for Pre-Accession Assistance) programme in Turkey. Gifts and Benefits: British-Turkish Forum (the ‘Tatlidil’) met the cost of my accommodation, food, transport and fee for assisting the organisers of a Tatlidil conference I attended in Edinburgh from 1-3 November 2013. British-Spanish Tertulias met the cost of my accommodation, food, transport and fee for assisting the organisers of a conference I attended in Oxford from 22-24 November 2013.

    and I see Rachel Kinnock in Miliband’s long list. She went to work for Gordon Brown’s office in the HoC originally.

  153. Jives :)

    ‘I busted you on your first post here,renember?’

    Remind me of the date. I think it was November but which year? Did he go for me because of my Israhell postings or my gender? I like to think it’s the former. Certainly an obsessive, persistent and unpleasant troll.

  154. Mary,

    Aye,round about that date if i recall correctly.

    Straight in with weird questions about your hens or summat.Think he tried to conflate your pro-Palestinian purview with anti-Semitism or summat nuts like that,

    Spotted the eejit right away…:.)

    Don’t think he’s really ever forgiven me for blowing his mission right off the bat…lol

    Isn’t that right HabbyBubbyWubbyFlubby?

  155. Mary,p.s.

    2012

  156. Tubby, I was there and have first hand experience of the machinations by the local Labour party. Blackburn is a rotten borough and party politics has got us to this point.

    once again I plead for demarchy, I’d rather have a normal person sitting there, inexperienced by all means, than a brazen power hungry party politician who has nothing but his own ilk in mind. Voting is so passee, so forcing everyone, by default, to take part, by including their NI numbers, would at least be fairer than what is going on now.

  157. Thanks Jives. So 18 months of it. Seems longer and very tedious.

  158. Mrs Merkel is being challenged by Agent Cameron, or so we are being told.

    Row brews as Angela Merkel backs Juncker as EU chief
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27646218

    “Monetary policy is a serious issue. We should discuss this in secret,
    in the Eurogroup [...] I’m ready to be insulted as being insufficiently
    democratic, but I want to be serious [...] I am for secret, dark debates”
    — Jean-Claude Juncker, 20 April 2011.

    Nice one Jean-Claude!

  159. Not a one day wonder apparently.

    UKIP’s Rise ‘To Continue At General Election’
    Millions of people who voted for UKIP at the European elections will continue to back the party in 2015, says a new survey.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1272514/ukips-rise-to-continue-at-general-election

    There is nothing on the BBC website about this poll.

  160. Off course not Mary, the BBC serves those in power and would not want to fail at that.
    UKIP will carry on making waves because the wider majority can’t be bothered. The only move that would change the equation, is if they make voting a lawfull duty, a must. But it would turn off the churlish.

  161. Keith Crosby

    1 Jun, 2014 - 10:52 pm

    But if you receive your ballot paper in your home, you are extremely vulnerable if you live in a situation where others are able to enter your home and demand to check that you have voted the right way before you post your ballot. That is beyond doubt the situation both of many family members, particularly affecting women, and of certain highly hierarchical and patriarchal communities. Postal ballot distortion is an absolutely disgraceful blot on British political culture. It is also fundamental to New Labour’s ability to salvage something from a disastrous electoral performance.

    There is indeed a very nasty undercurrent of racism in England at the moment. I live in one of UKIP’s strongest areas and this racism cannot be wished away. In fact I do not believe that Farage is personally racist, and I believe he is genuine not tactical in his abhorrence of the French National Front. But I do believe Farage has pandered to and encouraged people who are racists, and that there are a great many racists within UKIP. These people must not be allowed to become a ‘respectable’ part of politics and must be confronted wherever they appear.

    Postal voting is non-ballot voting; alluding to people with “certain highly hierarchical and patriarchal communities” is a cowardly euphemism when the point is that postal voting is non ballot voting per se.

    “These people must not be allowed to become a ‘respectable’ part of politics”

    All of the parties support the British Nationality Act so all of them are racist. Most of them also supported Bliar’s wars of racial extermination which is rather more racist than moaning about Rumanians.

  162. The BBC have brought Paxman into the fray now on the No side of course.

    Paxman: a ‘head of steam in Scotland for hating English’
    1 June 2014

    VETERAN BBC broadcaster Jeremy Paxman has said the campaign for Scottish Independence is being fuelled by a “hatred” for England in a radio interview, sparking an angry response from Yes campaigners.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/paxman-a-head-of-steam-in-scotland-for-hating-english.24373517

    The Sunday Herald editorial disagrees with Paxman.
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/sunday-herald-view/paxman-is-missing-point-of-this-debate.24374542

    Prof Robertson who reported on the extent of BBC bias against the Yes campaign responds. Copied by the Medialens editors here.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1401702491.html

    PS The Herald seem to think Paxman is in line for the chairman’s job although they incorrectly say Director General.

  163. The threats are coming thick and fast now.

    King of BAE Systems.

    Scots Independence: BAE Systems Chief’s Fears
    The head of the defence giant voices concerns about shipbuilding and staff pension schemes if there is a yes vote in Scotland.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1273599/scots-independence-bae-systems-chiefs-fears

  164. Public bodies in Scotland hand over £500,000 of taxpayers’ money to CBI

    Paul Hutcheon
    Investigations Editor.

    Sunday 1 June 2014

    TAXPAYERS have poured in nearly £500,000 of public money to an industry body caught up in a bitter row over its opposition to independence.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/public-bodies-in-scotland-hand-over-500000-of-taxpayers-money-to-cbi.24374448

  165. Perhaps it’s a good thing Craig is away. His BP would be shooting up as the fevered Vote No campaign intensifies. A daily cannonade from them now.

    eg on the BBC website.

    Independence fiscal forecast updated
    An independent Scotland could face bigger spending cuts and higher tax rises than previously predicted, according to latest update from the IFS.

    IFS updates post-Yes fiscal forecast
    Scots face independence ‘fiscal gap’
    What’s going on in Scotland?
    Special Report: Scotland Decides
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27690028

    ~~

    Criticism

    Left-wing think tank Tax Research UK has said that “Institute for Fiscal Studies is a body that persistently recommends tax increases that benefit the wealthiest in society at cost to those who make their living from work and the poorest in society”.

    Richard Murphy has also, in The Guardian, described the IFS as having “a bias towards the neoliberal view that suggests that labour should be heavily taxed whilst capital is left virtually tax free”. He added: “Whatever the motive, the IFS’s claim to be unbiased appears to me shaky”.

    Who funds it? We are not told. Income £6m. Spending £5.8m
    Charity no 258815 The accounts will be on that ref on the CC website.

    One of its co-founders http://www.chowndewhurst.com/john-chown.html Tax advisers.

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