Deadly Fiasco

by craig on June 13, 2014 11:18 am in Uncategorized

The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation. The idea that further western bombing will make things better is so deluded as to beggar belief.

I was surprised to find during my Burnes research that the imperialist powers of Britain and Russia were explicitly exploiting Sunni and Shia divisions to further their conquests of Islamic lands as early as the 1830′s. This has been the major tool of the neo-con Middle Eastern gameplan for some time, spreading disunity and crippling war throughout the Middle East, with the hope that this will benefit the interests of Israel.

The peculiar result has been that in general the West is very actively supporting Sunni armies and miscellaneous forces, but in Iraq is supporting the Shia. ISIS – which is heavily backed by the Saudis, who hate al-Maliki – brings this paradox into sharp relief. The current US and UK strategy is to persuade Saudi Arabia to get ISIS to reconcentrate their efforts against Assad, on the understanding they will be allowed to keep the Sunni areas of Iraq (the old neo-con plan of dividing Iraq is firmly back on the agenda).

The BBC News this morning said that ISIS would not be capable of using the billions of dollars of sophisticated western armaments they have captured. I think you will find the Saudis remedy that one quite quickly. It is quite possible we will see some token airstrikes to kill civilians in Mosul, in order to appease Obama’s domestic backers who are never happy if Americans aren’t killing enough people, but only after agreement has been reached with the Saudis that no serious harm will be done – except to the ordinary people neither Obama, the Saudis or al-Maliki care in the least about.

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  1. This is all very difficult to follow – I have been getting ISIS confused with IISS

  2. In French it’s EIII. To be honest I m not sure if ISIS is right – these names are western constructs anyway, they don’t call themselves that. Like the whole media “Al Qaida in North Chingford” meme.

  3. True. Some notable families in the Hejaz migrated there to escape Russian Imperialism in the Caucuses.

  4. Craig

    You are displaying a very cautious level of cynicism here. The gyroscope of the heart, belief in God itself as sole controller of the universe, cannot be transferred to the sleeve or the T shirt.

    Are you suggesting that USUKIS are in heart-felt solidarity with Sunni Islam and willing to create an Islamic state in Iraq as promised to the Saudi/Qatar backed Al Qaida? Is Al Qaida really a regiment of USUKIS military, fighting for the USUKIS goals of religious freedom and free trade across global borders?

    I have tried pinching myself out of that utopian dream. Surely it is in fact like your hero Burnes in Afghanistan? The imagination of war-weary US generals and internet UK politicians and the custodians of the Holy sites of Mecca and Madina can all indulge for a second in their own hearts’ dreams.

  5. Richard Alan Jones

    13 Jun, 2014 - 12:02 pm

    So let me get this right. We support the Iraq government in the fight against ISIS. We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported by Saudi Arabia who we do like. We don’t like Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but ISIS is also fighting against him. We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS. So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win. If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less, and all this was started by us invading a country to drive out terrorists who were not actually there until we went in to drive them out. I think I’ve got it.

  6. Guano

    Your last sentence exceeded the permitted level of craziness and has been deleted

  7. Richard Alan Jones

    Yes, perfect!

  8. lucythediclonius

    13 Jun, 2014 - 12:15 pm

    Nice one Craig I take it that Assad supporting ISIS is completely absurd .

  9. I heard someone say on Fox News that Assad was supporting ISIS and thought I was hallucinating

  10. Thanks, Craig, for another succinct take on dreadful events. Preparing myself for the inevitable rewriting of history according to the Blairites/Neocons which will follow soon in press and Dweeb-Beeb.

  11. lucythediclonius

    13 Jun, 2014 - 12:28 pm

    I saw it from that collection of shills Michael Weiss got together and likewise .

  12. Glad to see you’ve adjusted your ridiculous one million ‘body count’ to “our murderous invasion”.

    Will you accept that the only way to stop Muslim fanatics killing each other in that part of the world is by murderous secular dictatorship? Because like you I didn’t support the Iraq War, but not for wooly minded liberal reasons.

  13. Nobody spreads the kind of freedom delivered to the Iraqi and Libyan peoples like NATO. Freedom, is a bit like wicked, and taking on a meaning close to the antonym of its original meaning.

  14. Anon,

    So a million is ‘ridiculous’ but 650,000+ is OK?

    Is that what youre saying?

    For a disgusting and fake war 1 death is too many.

  15. What about your last sentence, Craig?

  16. @Anon: It was a million about ten years ago, so its going to be far, far higher by now.

    Muslims were living with Muslims reasonably well in Iraq and Iran before the US, with first Margaret Thatcher’s then Tony Blair’s assistance decided to intervene. They intervened to stop a power block developing in the Middle East that would threaten “Western interests”.

    It takes a sick kind of pussy to do it but, all that is needed to create a civil war is to send in a few well hidden agent provocateurs to do appalling things to people… chaos will inevitably ensue. It happened in N. Ireland, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, many other places, and its now happening in Ukraine. People aren’t naturally warlike. Muslims are people, just like the rest of us, and subject to the same response when provoked. The only real question is… why do the sick pussies do this?

  17. 650,000

    I hadn’t heard that one before.

    Maybe 649,000, maybe 651,000. Just pluck a figure from thin air.

    Iraq Body Count has it as 188,000, perhaps a few more now that Muslims are openly executing Muslims in the street.

    When does it end? I reckon IBC will get to 500,000 in five years, which is still 150,000 less than Jives Body Count, the difference being about the same number as some estimate the total, but which is still 500,000 short of Craig Body Count.

    I suppose it all depends on whether you include old people dying and Muslim fundamentalists killing Muslims I suppose. Or if you will do anything to make the West look far worse than it actually is.

  18. The western media have been painting the ongoing daily bloodshed in Iraq as in the neighboring Sunni majority Syria, as “civil war. But in reality, what is currently going on in the Middle East is part of Israel’s Yinon Plan or the so-called “Arab Spring”. It is an Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states. Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. In Iraq, on the basis of the concepts of the Yinon Plan, Israeli strategists have called for the division of Iraq into a Kurdish state and two Arab states, one for Shia Muslims and the other for Sunni Muslims. The first step towards establishing this was a war between Iraq and Iran, which the Yinon Plan discusses.

    Failing to destroy the Islamic Republic, the US-Israel went after a weakened Iraq and created an autonomous oil-rich pro-Israeli Sunni Iraqi Kurdistan. Currently, western poodle in Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding the Sunni terrorists who has established Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in Iraq after defeated by army and Hizbullah in Syria.

  19. Oh my God! It’s now “it was a million about ten years ago”. Just make it up as you go along…

  20. @Anon: 650000 was the number of deaths deduced by a group of medics, and their results were published in The Lancet, probably in 2005. Don’t you believe in science either?

  21. The Lancet study was published in October 2006. The exact figure quoted by the researchers was 654,965. Of course the US and UK governments did all they could to debunk the figures.

  22. Peacewisher has gone from 1 million a few minutes ago to 650,000. That’s 350,000 Iraqis he’s playing around with there. And he lectures me on science.

    No, I don’t believe something just because it’s written in “The Lancet”. The methodology and conclusions were widely discredited anyhow. That’s how science is done you see. Claim is made, and tested. Dealing with something as vague as the total number of deaths caused by the invasion of Iraq, you can pretty much make up whatever number you want, depending on what you are prepared to include. Depending on your politics.

  23. I was thinking aloud, Anon. It was peer-reviewed, if you realise the implications of that… Glad you might now be able to agree that 650000 in 2006 was a reliable figure, and 1 million at that time Was a speculative figure. Many more deaths in the eight years of instability between then and now probably would have taken it over the million mark.

  24. Anon,

    650,000 was the body count in 2006 by The Lancet.

    Why are you defending the indefensible?

  25. Back to the current Iraq situation… I don’t think the US planned this! Maybe the UK did? Maybe Russia did? Maybe the Bankers did? I don’t know any more about this than anyone else but I know there was an agreement struck in 2006 between the US army and the Sunni tribe leaders. Maybe that agreement has just run into the buffers? I haven’t followed it at all, just speculating. Maybe someone on here can enlighten us.

  26. Can you tell me what causes of deaths you are including?

    Actually, scrub that. Can you tell me what cause of death you are not including?

    You see, American soldier shoots an Iraqi civilian. That’s an innocent death caused by the Iraq War. Eleven years later, Muslim fanatic blows up bus load of civilians. Not so sure. Old lady dies of illness that could have been cured in Switzerland. Definitely not.

  27. I think we all know perfectly well what we mean. Look at the violent deaths in Iraq before 2003, and after 2003, right up to present day. The increase over the 2002 level would be those caused by the coalition of the killing. Now let’s move on shall we…

  28. “You see, American soldier shoots an Iraqi civilian. That’s an innocent death caused by the Iraq War.”

    What bollocks Anon. The war in Iraq was illegal. The intention was to steal the oil and mineral resources. So if an American soldier shoots an Iraqi civilian it is not innocent at all.

    You’ve been contributing to this blog long enough to know that. You just like to be contentious, but it makes you look stupid, which you might not be.

  29. On the lighter side, anyone remember “Between Iraq and a Hard Place?”:

  30. “I don’t think the US planned this! Maybe the UK did? Maybe Russia did? Maybe the Bankers did?”

    Follow the money. Whoever is arming these guys and paying their wages is controlling their actions.

    My guess is that the objective in Iraq is to provoke Iran into taking matters into its own hands. Shia muslims in Iraq will be targeted for spectacular carnage. Iran sends in troops to try and stop it. Iran gets denounced for its ‘expansionist’ agenda and then the war starts.

  31. “..except to the ordinary people[serious harm] neither Obama, the Saudis or al-Maliki care in the least about.

    Just in case ‘ordinary people’ connect, coordinate, complement and capitalize in significant weight to bring about a formidable intention to resist and confront, the Pentagon is advancing social tools to discourage such trends:

    Pentagon preparing for mass civil breakdown:

  32. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 2:27 pm


    re Irak casualty figures:

    I thought that you’d comprehensively demolished the pluckers-of-figures-out-of-thin-air a couple of threads ago, but by God, here you are havong to deal with the same group of punch-drunk, broken-down old pugs all over again!

    And of course, just like last time, you’re flooring them all over again!

    Well done!

  33. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 2:34 pm

    Ah yes, the Lancet! The Lancet.

    The house journal where we could read that butter was bad for you but now it isn’t. That stanins could be ingested without fear, but now they can’t.

    Do drink two glasses of red a day. Err, actually, perhaps better not.

    I can see how, with such a record on things medical – things within its remit – the Lancet should be uniquely qualified to pronounce on matters well outside its remit and capabilities.


    There is a saying in a (continental) country which must remain anonymous: the only people more stupid than teachers are doctors.

  34. You know the trolls are losing the argument when they go into tag team mode..

    Habba is so far up Anon’s arse they might meld into one if they’re not careful.

    Still,i guess its a kind of sweet romance.

    And who here would deny them their little love-in?

  35. “Look at the violent deaths in Iraq before 2003, and after 2003, right up to present day.”

    So we are agreed that it takes a brutal secular dictatorship to keep a lid on Islamist violence, rather than Islam being some innately peaceful, innocent and harmless religion that takes only America and the West to to turn it into a violent rage? Because to my mind, to get to the kind of ridiculous figures you and Craig have cited here, that must be exactly what you believe.

    Peacewisher, I accept that the US-led invasion killed a lot of innocent people and that BLiar should be tortured on a lampost or whatever it is you want, but what I can’t tolerate is the kind of lefty wankery displayed by you and others here that wilfully exaggerates the numbers killed for political reasons – namely that you fucking detest this country and will say anything to make it look worse than it actually is.

    The vast majority of deaths in Iraq have been caused by fanatical Muslims killing each other and other Muslims. If you are opposed to the Iraq War as I was then you have to accept that tyrants like Saddam, Assad and Gaddafi are probably best left where they are.

    There is no lovely left-liberal outcome of Muslims loving each other and prospering if only America would stay out of their affairs.

  36. Tell that to a doctor the next time youre in need of urgent medical care Habbabkuk.

    But you wont will you because not only are you a fool and hypocrite but youre a coward as well.

    Now go and change your string vest.

    That strange yellowish colour is disgusting,not to mention the smell.

  37. Habbabkuk

    We had all this with the Dresden ‘body count’. I informed Dross he was exaggerating the numbers killed by a factor of ten, backed up by German studies, and what was I told?

    That I didn’t care that ten times less were killed.

    Even Clark had to interject on that one!

  38. Anon: You know nothing abut me and we seem to agree on a number of things so why are you getting so nasty? It is war that I detest not this or that country or politician. But any external politician that deliberately engineers what happens on the ground in a country for the purpose of creating war (or civil war) will not be my best friend. There has to be a better way.

    PS Body counts will always be a matter of dispute… Total for Guernica still varies from about 200 to about 4000.

  39. “..punch-drunk, broken-down old pugs.” remember the ‘pug’ is really an extraterrestrial in disguise (a Remoolian). Take the piss and you will be taken to be deneuralyzed… (not so sure if this will have any effect).

  40. “The vast majority of deaths in Iraq have been caused by fanatical Muslims killing each other and other Muslims”

    Dat’s right. All dem bombs an’ missiles, dey was jus’ candy floss.

    Have you turned your forensic mind to the holocaust at all? Plenty to get your teeth into there!

  41. Anon with the green avatar, not the red one!

    John’s surname is Goss as you well know. Do not attempt your smear of referring to him as ‘Gross’.


    John You might be interested in hearing John Pilger on RT with Sophie Shevardnadze at 6.30

    In case it is a different programme to the one broadcast at lunchtime, here is the transcript of that.

  42. I think ISIS final gamble will be to turn towards Iran, Saudi’s big bugbear, Turning Maliki upside down with all oil; rights up in the air, will not be enopugh for these warmongers.

    But I’m sure all the rich Oligarchs,millionares, settling warmongers/criminals, banks and usual multinational tax evaders will be very pleased if we help them in their immense task undermining the country with a comprehensive tax boycott.

    Would that stop these mind blowing ravages? demonstrations in London do very little.

  43. So here are five straightforward lessons — none acceptable in what passes for discussion and debate in this country — that could be drawn from that last half century of every kind of American warfare:

    1. No matter how you define American-style war or its goals, it doesn’t work. Ever.

    2. No matter how you pose the problems of our world, it doesn’t solve them. Never.

    3. No matter how often you cite the use of military force to “stabilize” or “protect” or “liberate” countries or regions, it is a destabilizing force.

    4. No matter how regularly you praise the American way of war and its “warriors,” the US military is incapable of winning its wars.

    5. No matter how often American presidents claim that the US military is “the finest fighting force in history,” the evidence is in: it isn’t.

    Don’t Walk Away From War
    June 12, 2014
    by Tom Engelhardt

  44. @Richard Alan Jones – LOL! Sorry we don’t have a recommend button.

    @ assorted trolls. There have been a number of well-researched estimates of the number of excess deaths in the Iraq War, the Lancet’s being one of them, utilising recognised methodologies, with excess deaths* from 500,000 – 1 million and other damage including wounded, displaced, homeless and psychologically maimed in the several millions – do you not recognise that this is a terrible crime and that is why so many people are horrified at the prospect of our lovely armed forces “helping out” again?

    * excess deaths = deaths that wouldn’t have happened if Iraq hadn’t been invaded.


    13 Jun, 2014 - 3:37 pm

    The anal-gazing over how many deaths is a purposeful diversion. Blame whomever you wish, but the death toll is the Butcher’s Bill that should be recompensed by those most responsible for this and other attempted debacles….



    13 Jun, 2014 - 3:40 pm

    Check out the graph on terrorist attacks in Iraq. BTW; Zawahiri and the Takfiris who eat human hearts find ISIS too extreme.

  47. Proto-warfare often precedes, or leads up to, hot wars, as when a decade of economic sanctions, media demonization, and media-supported lies about ‘weapons of mass destruction’ led up to the Iraq war. Thousands of young American men and women were sent over to kill and be killed, or to be injured or traumatized, to say nothing of the up to a million Iraqis who died as a result of the war. However, Iraq did not possess nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction, so there was no danger of a nuclear conflagration. Matters are much different with respect to Russia and China, both nuclear powers.

    The Wolfowitz doctrine:

    “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.”


    13 Jun, 2014 - 4:13 pm

    The one-percent doctrine of Cheney. “Hey, I think we can increase those odds”

    “The title of Ron Suskind’s riveting new book, “The One Percent Doctrine,” refers to an operating principle that he says Vice President Dick Cheney articulated shortly after 9/11: in Mr. Suskind’s words, “if there was even a 1 percent chance of terrorists getting a weapon of mass destruction — and there has been a small probability of such an occurrence for some time — the United States must now act as if it were a certainty.” He quotes Mr. Cheney saying that it’s not about “our analysis,” it’s about “our response,” and argues that this conviction effectively sidelines the traditional policymaking process of analysis and debate, making suspicion, not evidence, the new threshold for action.”

  49. Don’t see Western bombing happening. It runs counter to the tendencies in the ultimate authority. The UNSC’s current president, Russia’s Churkin, said no one has suggested measures against ISIS. Churkin and Gerard Araud are going to keep the focus on the failed state that US government aggression created in Iraq. UNAMI is talking sense against the US terror hysteria, insisting Baghdad is not at risk.

    What’s more worrisome is the likelihood that with all these emergencies, the Russian presidency might be too busy to promote UNSC reform, which everyone knows is vital to prevent more US crimes against peace. The US strategy is to pit aspiring permanent members against one another, but the real fight is to curtail the veto and end permanent membership altogether. Reform is a long game, and impeding it is one of the prime goals of US confrontation and destabilization. Keep the UNSC reactive and off-balance, that’s the US plan.

  50. On June 13, 2014, UK’s Jewish Chronicle reported that country’s Holocaust Education Trust, an Israeli advocacy group, has cancelled its annual dinner at the Dorchester Hotel as part of world-wide Jewish boycott call to punish Sultan of Brunei.

    “The Holocaust Educational Trust (HET) is a Jewish ultra-Zionist outfit, charged in the UK with Shoa indoctrination and it is interested only in the Shoa of one people and one people only. Visiting Auschwitz with the HET is probably as informative as sightseeing tour in Gaza concentration camp in the company of (Israeli justice minister and former Mossad’s sex-pot) Tzipi Livni,” said Gilad Atzmon, an Israeli-born British citizen.


    13 Jun, 2014 - 4:56 pm

    The ME is a circular firing squad caught in an ambush. It’s a little like the US Civil War; brother against brother, only with greater firepower.

    “Sow the wind. Reap the whirlwind” Hosea 8:7

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 5:05 pm

    “Habba is so far up Anon’s arse they might meld into one if they’re not careful.”

    Nothing compared to the group sex you regularly indulge in with the likes of Mary, Herbie, Mr Goss, Tony M, Mike and others, Jives!

    And now off to bed with you, you’re only allowed out after midnight. :)

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 5:10 pm

    “John You might be interested in hearing John Pilger on RT with Sophie Shevardnadze at 6.30″

    Surely you meant Sophie Kibo Noh, Mary?

    Sounds like a perfect fit! LOL

  54. Why Nuclear War? An insight from the command and control Navy machine at Northwood headquarters, Hertfordshire.

    The acute reason for war results from the imminent collapse of the trans-Atlantic financial system. Neither the British monarchy and its power base, the City of London, nor the Bush-Obama continuum and its power base, Wall Street, can tolerate the idea that their system would break down, while Asian and Eurasian countries, China, India, Russia–develop themselves economically(BRICS).

    Preparation IS in place for nuclear war as witnessed by NATO’s nuclear escalation

    By 2020 the F-16 fighter aircraft and Tornados of five NATO countries are to be replaced by F-35 Joint Strike Fighters capable of delivering B61-12 class nuclear bombs (0.3 to 1,200 KTons) modified to improve accuracy and the ability to glide to its targets reducing radioactive fallout. This would apply to countries that were previously considered to be non-nuclear, namely Belgium, the Netherlands, Turkey, Germany, and Italy and in my opinion is a violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and of the Obama Administration’s own promises.

    The failure of American strategy in Syria and Ukraine may lead to a more radical policy, a direct military attack on Russia and China.

    The signs have been ‘on the source’ since 2001 when tactical nuclear weapons were used to bring down the World Trade Center towers and during the 2003 Iraq war to smash Falluga.

    The modernization of tactical nuclear weapons starting with Israel modifying the W54 artillary shell in the 70′s is now a clear sign of the preparation of a USUKIS war against China and Russia. Tests of tactical nukes conducted with South Africa were known and I saw a ‘NOT FOR SOUTH AFRICA EYES’ signal that recognised the joint ISSA testing arrangement

    Increasing the potential of tactical nuclear weapons in Europe is all about the attainment of superiority in these weapons over China and possibly Russia.

    An aggressive NATO war will become possible, and China/Russia/Iran’s ability to retaliate against European territory will be limited and, out of fear of a U.S. strategic counterstrike, would refrain from using nuclear weapons.

    Smart-weapon systems, permeates all aspects of NATO and U.S. doctrines, all of which aim to eliminate air defenses, to destroy command-and-control functions, and thus to eliminate the second-strike capacity. This is the basis of the U.S. missile defense system in Eastern Europe; it is the basis for the “Prompt Global Strike” doctrine, as well as the Air-Sea Battle doctrine against China.

    In the (Strategic Studies Quarterly), the official journal of the U.S. Air Force, the authors Keir Lieber and Daryl Press had already announced the end of the Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) doctrine of NATO in the Spring of 2013, and put forward the theory that nuclear wars are winnable. Various critics of this delusion have pointed out that all these doctrines lead to a race to a first strike on both sides, and massively increase the danger of war.

    Britain and the US decided a decade ago to continue rule as a world empire (the ‘special relationship’) and is the context for the continuous eastward expansion of NATO and the EU, as well as the systematic strategy of encirclement of Russia and China.

  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 5:13 pm


    “@ assorted trolls. There have been a number of…etc, etc..”


    Assorted trolls? Don’t be a bitch, Julian, there are too many bitches here already.


    13 Jun, 2014 - 5:18 pm

    Yes, Mark. Don’t forget low-yield tactical nukes.

    On that note…

    ” Shi’te Muslim Iran is so alarmed by Sunni insurgent gains in Iraq that it may be willing to cooperate with Washington in helping Baghdad fight back, a senior Iranian official told Reuters.

    The idea is being discussed internally among the Islamic Republic’s leadership, the senior Iranian official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity. The official had no word on whether the idea had been raised with any other party.”

  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 5:20 pm

    “The Wolfowitz doctrine:

    “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union.”

    From the American point of view that sounds eminently rational and sensible to me, Mr Golding.

    When you think about it, why should the Americans welcome the emergence of another rival similar to the late, unlamented Evil Empire?

    I don’t even welcome that prospect, so why should the Americans?

    What’s your problem with that?


    There will now probably follow a stream of abuse from the usual Useful Idiots., but no reasoned argument.


    13 Jun, 2014 - 5:28 pm

    Zarqawi enjoyed his fame. The new guy is more secretive.


    13 Jun, 2014 - 5:31 pm

    Wolfowwitz/Cheney doctrine= self-fulfilling prophecy.

  60. Always worth a read, William Blum’s last but one Anti-Empire Report:

    ” [...] in a survey conducted by an independent Russian polling center this past January, and reported in the Washington Post in April, 86 percent of respondents older than 55 expressed regret for the Soviet Union’s collapse; 37 percent of those aged 25 to 39 did so. 7 (Similar poll results have been reported regularly since the demise of the Soviet Union. This is from USA Today in 1999: “When the Berlin Wall crumbled, East Germans imagined a life of freedom where consumer goods were abundant and hardships would fade. Ten years later, a remarkable 51% say they were happier with communism.”)

    Or as the new Russian proverb put it: “Everything the Communists said about Communism was a lie, but everything they said about capitalism turned out to be the truth.”

  61. I’ll be a useless idiot, Habby. A world power with that sort of merciless attitude “everything else is subservient to US being THE BOSS and doing as they please…” would have no right to be a world power. Fortunately, Wolfowitz doesn’t run official US foreign policy. The cold war provided balance for the world because the mad expansionist things in the US and USSR couldn’t get their own way, and they had to negotiate. Would you say the world is a safer place since the demise of the Soviet Union?


    13 Jun, 2014 - 5:43 pm

    “If we don’t fight the terrorists over there, we’ll have to fight them here”


    13 Jun, 2014 - 5:47 pm

    Tony @ 5:37

    A bevy of convenient partners for ‘Yats’ and friends.

  64. Mary 13 Jun, 2014 – 3:11 pm

    Thanks for the Pilger plug. I think it will be the same interview I watched this morning. It followed the RT news, which is the only news reporting Ukraine. This strafing of civilians (20 children killed) in Ukraine reminds me of the prelude to the Iraq War when NATO forces were in their words “maintaining no fly zones” but in reality killing and maiming civilians and imposing crippling sanctions. That was before Blair and Bush engaged in the “Mother of all Battles” – What a sick description from the minds of very sick people.

  65. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 5:53 pm


    “Would you say the world is a safer place since the demise of the Soviet Union?”

    Irrelevant. Why this obsession with safety anyway – define it; safety from what or from whom?

    But the world is a lot freer (try asking assorted East Europeans, and even a few non-European Communist tyrants got the wind up – cf Castro).

  66. Habbabkuk-Turvey,

    Hilarious irony you,yersel,bemoaning a lack of reasoned argument!

    So you dont lament the passing of the Evil Empire and are happy to cheerlead Team USA.

    Team USA; an out of control monster which spies illegally on everything its citizens-and the wider world-do.Where gun ownership is ubiquitous and nary a week goes by without a major shooting incident-usually in schools.

    Team USA,who since 1945 at least have intervened,usually disastrously,in so many parts of the world-and usually lost but always a trail of massive destruction.

    Team USA, where barely adult former mallrat crewcut steroid droids in underground bunkers in places like Fort Meade press a button to commit deadly extra-judicial drone strikes,commonly on innocent wedding parties,whilst vacuously high 5-ing whilst screaming inane insane mantras such as ‘ my oountry right or wrong dude!’ whilst listening to death metal on 11 and stuffing themselves to belicose ignorant obesity.

    Way to go Habba,way to go…high-5 dude,yeah?

    You are a clumsily nervous flatulent sommelier Habba,dispensing and spilling sour vinegar-like wine from an expensive bottle.Your unclipped yellow-green toenails protrude from under frayed sandals and your stained old string vest is still visible at the top of an ill-fitting and preposterous maroon shirt.

  67. Have you asked assorted Eastern Europeans, Habby. I remember visiting that fine autonomous republic of Yugoslavia in the 1980s. Yes, there were military planes at the airport but otherwise perfectly relaxed. Found it utterly incomprehensible that this magnificent example of a people’s republic could be destroyed in the interests of “freedom”. Or many it was a coincidence that hostilities started about six months after the fall of the USSR?!

  68. many = maybe

  69. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 6:24 pm


    Don’t be so silly, Peacewisher – you know perfectly well which Eastern European countries I was referring to.

    I think I prefer real fools like Jives and Herbie to fake fools like you…. :)

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 6:34 pm


    And, by the way, I also knew Tito- and immediately post-Tito- Yugoslavia and cannot say that I was very impressed.

    Indeed, the Turks from Germany travelling home for the summer holidays in their thousands seemed positively civilised by comparison.

    What did you find so “fine” about the place, Peacewisher?

  71. Rehmat

    Your comments about Israel have “exceeded the permitted level of craziness”.

  72. Peacewisher, me too. I visited Yugoslavia (as it was) united under Tito. I was there in the seventies and a fine country it appeared to be long before the liberation. but I’ve also spoken to people in Romania who were much happier under the Ceausescu regime. Some of course, the mafia in particular, have benefited from the liberation. It has now got all the problems of other liberated countries, unemployment problems, a huge national debt and increasing prices in the shops. There was no national debt under Ceausescuu though it had come at a hard cost. When I reached the border of Georgia and Azerbaijan they were telling me how very often they have no electricity but that was not the case when they were part of the Soviet family. How many more examples does my friend H want? Yes, the Russian Federation, from what I have seen in footage looks much more modern. But for some reason it is still the bogeyman! :)

  73. Obama says that Iraq has to sort its own problems “we can’t do it for them”. Does that mean the Yanks have learnt their lesson. No. I don’t think so either. The US only creates failed states. It does not sort them out. Obama is considering other options to help support the security services. What a cock up NATO countries have made of the world.

  74. Ed Murray is up to speed on the Ch4 ‘News’ propaganda.

    Snowmail…Ayad Allawi and Meghan O’Sullivan…short email to Cathy Newman
    Posted by Ed on June 13, 2014, 6:44 pm

    Ms Newman,
    In tonight’s “Snowmail”(1) you say you will be talking to Ayad Allawi and Meghan O’Sullivan.
    Will you be asking Allawi about his terrorist past in the “Iraqi National Accord”?
    Will you be asking Meghan O’Sullivan, who was instrumental in the illegal invasion of Iraq, who has worked under all manner of warmongering scoundrels (Paul Bremer, Rumsfeld, Powell to name but a few) and who has been a great advocate of America’s most murderous policies in Iraq, about her own personal responsibility for the ensuing chaos and carnage that has brought Iraq to where it is today?
    Or, as indicated in your “Snowmail”, are you really going to go from the sublime to the ridiculous and ask these two lords of chaos what should happen now? Will you explain the perverted logic here?

    Ed Murray.

    (1)Snowmail – ‘Yet with the Iraqi government losing its grip on northern Iraq, the Kurds have been exploiting the chaos by laying the foundations for an independent state in Kurdistan.
    Tonight, our Foreign Correspondent Jonathan Rugman has been inside the strategic oil city of Kirkuk which is now in the hands of Kurdish Peshmerga forces. The city was deserted by Iraqi government forces, and the Kurds spotted an opportunity among all the chaos to take the city that has always sat just beyond their borders.

    And I’ll be speaking to Ayad Allawi – the first prime minister of Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein – and Meghan O’Sullivan, the former US deputy national security adviser who helped reconstruct Iraq after the 2003 invasion. I’ll be asking them both if there’s any hope of Iraq being put back together, and what the implications are for the rest of the world if not.’

  75. Maliki reminds me of another US middle east stooge who thought that democratic elections gave him a 5 year sectarian dictatorship: Muhammad Mursi. IF, as Craig believes, the coup in Egypt was planned by the CIA, it might pay for the CIA to train their stooges more carefully in future.

    But I believe Mursi was set up to fail and stitched up economically, as was Gordon Brown, by those whose mere mention swivels the eyeballs.

    If Craig had written “Obama’s demented bankers” instead of “Obama’s domestic backers” we would all be singing from the same page.

  76. It’s all about whether you want a banker ruled globe or a multi-polar world.

    Sovereign Democracy or Global Dictatorship. The EU itself and the democratic deficit in the US are a fine taster of what we’re in for, should the likes of these come to power worldwide.

    Habby supports a Dictatorship of bankers ruling the globe.

    That’s what the current wars and suffering are all about and indeed why habby and his ilk are unconcerned about the deaths of 500,000 children in furtherance of that objective.

    The ends justify the means.

    The rest is distraction and waffle.

    This book from 1990 explains all you need to know:

    His latest book brings us up to date:

  77. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 7:27 pm

    Mr Goss

    “Peacewisher, me too. I visited Yugoslavia (as it was) united under Tito..ecc, ecc,…”

    Perhaps we were in two different Yugoslavias? Mine was the one with an Adriatic coast and it bordered on Greece, Austria, Bulgaria….

    Anyway, as you too call it a “fine” country, I extend to you the same invitation as I did to Peacewisher – could you explain what you meant by “fine”?


    And on a point of info – and to smash your rose-tinted specs – you say “There was no national debt under Ceausescuu” but you forget to mention the crippling foreign debt the country built up under that old monster. It was servicing the latter that was behind your “though it had come at a hard cost”.


    No point trying to pull the wool over Habbabkuk’s eyes – he knows too much!

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 7:32 pm

    “It’s all about whether you want a banker ruled globe or a multi-polar world.”

    Yes, yes, Herbie, we know – you do keep repeating that silly-clever phrase rather a lot, don’t you.

    Where did you lift it from?

    And where or what is your personal survival kit?

    I think you should share with your friends on here. No good being selfish!

  79. James Perloff, whose books I referred to above, gives a video presentation of his work:

    People need to understand local events in terms of the big picture.

    Habby and his ilk remain committed to murder, slaughter and misery worldwide to further entrench their parasitic lives.

    Disgusting creatures.

  80. Habbabkuk-Turvey,

    Well of course i may be Of The Night ce soir.

    You could say ive got Friday on my mind.

    And lest i be accused of not acknowledging qualities in others permit to say that indeed you do have a certain je ne sais quoi about you…Something Of The Lamp about you ’tis true i openly admit.

    But you should know that sunlamps are very bad for your skin,not too mention the vanity involved.

  81. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 Jun, 2014 - 8:44 pm


    Are you drunk?

  82. technicolour

    13 Jun, 2014 - 8:49 pm

    @ Richard Alan Jones. Superb, thanks. I’m repeating it like a mantra.

  83. Habbabkuk-Turvey,

    No im not drunk.I havent had a drink yet but i shall step out in about an hour for a few snifters.

    And well…its that old saw Habba…come the morn i shall be sober whilst you will remain a troll in need of a clean string vest.

  84. You’re really on fire tonight, Mr H.

    If only…

    Obama will be “reluctantly” drawn into bombing Iraq – to “protect” a dictator this time. Of course, there may be some cross-border mission creep, on one side of Iraq or the other. It’s hard to predict where these actions will lead…

    Oh they’re devious alright. Fiendishly inventive, as they desperately try to protect what is left of the American way of life. One more shot for the petrodollar junkie in whatever vein he can find. War on a drip-feed is the only thing that can keep the US going.

  85. Yet another corporate hack who refers this most bloody war as an ‘adventure’. Oh and by the way, ‘things fall apart’!

    Friday 13 Jun 2014
    Jon Snow

    Things fall apart in Iraq – are we to blame?

  86. Another highly disturbing slice of evidence for anon, from the normally pro-US Aljazeera:

    Clue: Iraqi children, cancer, US munitions:

  87. Always remember. These guys play both sides.

    They’re Hedgies.

  88. Jon Snow (that one, yes, but that is just a rumour) allegedly opined:
    “History tells us repeatedly that extreme, violent, neo-fascist religiously fuelled fanaticism has only ever been contained by secular tyrants.”

    Any reasonable person would have assumed that description was being applied by Snow to the Anglo-US-Israeli axis, as their common Zionist ideology epitomises religiously fuelled fanaticism and violent, extreme and neo-fascist are also their proud signature traits, to which the world and their dog can attest earnestly. The cap surely fits most perfectly. I’m not entirely certain that history does tell us any such thing about secular tyrant’s unique, apparently meritable powers too, Jon failed (entirely understandably) to give any examples of this phenomenon. I don’t fancy the ruler in any part of the ex-UK being exchanged for a secular tyrant, however much Jon Snow commends it to his viewer. My objections aren’t principled, just practical, I wouldn’t mind at all, for a time if the US and Israel – but not us – were so ruled, they after all, deserve “exceptional” treatment.

    Many people might wonder why these “Islamist” cadres, the heavily-armed by the West head-choppers and raw heart gourmets, don’t turn their destructive attentions to the Anglo-US-Zionist beachhead vanity state, with its poor lambs trembling in the middle of all the stampeding cattle, the Ashkenazim holiday village on the Med, that multicultural melting-pot exemplar of perfected democracy, assimilation and co-existence, that needs walls to keep out people eager to join in the celebration of human diversity within -but puzzlingly illogically fall upon their own co-religionists striving, women and men, to secure the peaceful secular moderate socialist Arab lands they long desire and which most once almost had. Didn’t that Bin Laden himself read a script telling us that the presence of US troops in ‘sacred’ Saudi Arabia (but not of US puppets ruling there), and the Palestinian people’s desperate plight, were at the root of his and his band of righteous followers’ excitable drives? The obvious answer is of course that these zealot bands’ orders come down to them from the Kosher Nostra super brains ensconced upon the Tel Aviv sun-loungers, however much they try to conceal their murderous actions and motives in pseudo-religious balderdash, celestial gibberish, the effects of sunstroke and a nasty knock on the head. Another factor is that traditional majority Islam as far as I can gather has no hostility to the Jewish faith or Judiasm, or to other religions in general – a candid, pleasing ‘our’s is bonkers, theirs’ are no doubt all bonkers, too, why worry? attitude’ – they might disdain atheists and apostates, as do much of our own religiously inclined who’re still fulminating over the Enlightenment and The Life of Brian.

  89. What a Completely and Utterly Brilliant, Beautiful Day…

    I drove my wife there…and we went for a long walk along The River…

    After….we arrived..and I asked her…to order the drinks..and the food…

    She asks What Do You Want???

    I just want You….so I am not going to lie…

    I said to her later in the day…Well .. You… My Lovely Wife – Bought Me The T-Shirt…What Else Do You Expect Me To Do…But Wear It???

    They Liked it….

    They Had Never Seen anything like it Before…

    Even The Band Went Wow – They Loved My T-Shirt

    My Wife is a Heart of Gold…

    So I wore it all the way home too…

    We have done this kind of thing before…

    O>K> I Did Look a Bit Like a Walking Jukebox..

    They simply couldn’t understand how it worked – and they came laughing and clapping and shouting into my T-Shirt

    They all asked – where The F did you get that from….

    I replied..well we have just got back from a Rock Festival in Spain…

    My wife bought it for me as a Christmas Present around the Year 2007…

    So The Girls asked me…But How Do You Wash It??


  90. I shouldn’t of course write this…particularly on Craig Murray’s website….

    But the cnut he was slagging off…Something About Politics or Something High Up >> Maybe about The Prosecution of ANTHONY CHARLES LYNTON BLAIR et al…

    He don’t half look like You…

    Maybe its these spindly wire specs – and the hair…I think it is his own…

    But…seriously…I can still get away with it..You see – Whilst I Dye It…I Don’t Cut It..and there is No Way I would Trust My Wife with a Pair Of Scissors….

    I Can Still Pull…She never had any problem at all..You see The Competition…I have Just Got To Keep Up With Her For Another 33 Years…

    She Keeps Me Fit.

    She is My Wife.and I am Still In Love With Her…

    The Priest Didn’t Understand.


  91. BrianFujisan

    14 Jun, 2014 - 3:48 am

    Richard Alan Jones

    yep nice one

    Some stuff worth Noting / Remembering – here, from over at Mondoweiss -

    “I sometimes forget what happened to our country. But Belén Fernández has a new book out on Tom Friedman called The Imperial Messenger, and she reminds us of Friedman’s achievement, in an interview in the NY Times Examiner:

    Friedman sells the Iraq war as “the most radical-liberal revolutionary war the U.S. has ever launched” despite making subsequent assessments such as “The neocon strategy may have been necessary to trigger reform in Iraq and the wider Arab world, but it will not be sufficient unless it is followed up by what I call a ‘geo-green’ strategy.” As I point out in my book, it is difficult to determine how many true “geo-greens” would advocate for the tactical contamination of the earth’s soil with depleted uranium munitions; why not introduce a doctrine of neoconservationism?

    Fernández links to Tom Friedman cheerleading the Iraq war in 2003. Wow, I forgot about his stuff! Or thankfully never read it in the first place. The question arises, Did Tom Friedman make any difference with this kind of talk? And I say of course he did, he helped convince the liberal Establishment to go along with this foolish war. Friedman and Ken Pollack and Bill Keller and David Remnick– the pen is mightier than the sword.”

    Also ‘Hostage’ has an excellent Post up including this Link –

  92. Craig wrote – “The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation.”

    Are you sure, Craig? That would imply that Muslims are incapable of resolving their differences or, at least, tolerating them in the absence of an enduring solution. Why not 50%, 66.66% or 99.99% instead of 100%?

    The good people of the Quran had 1400 odd years to get their act together, conquered lands in and on the fringe of Europe and been blessed(?) with a powerful energy resource from which even a small fraction of a share represents a massive inflow of wealth.

    What is it about the religion of peace that it cannot even find harmony within itself with all that wealth of experience and resources? I fail to see how the West can be blamed for the schism of Sunni vs Shia.

    So how is it that the wise people of Islam are so unsophisticated that they can be exploited over their differences by Western savages?

    The trouble with some ideas -

  93. Often enough to be reliable, how things look results deterministically from how things are, hidden in plain sight, reality sometimes hoves into view. Whether that is how it is, it’s undeniably how it looks. Anyone who won’t say so is hoping only to keep themselves fooled that bit longer. Who would it serve if such interpretations were intended but unfounded? that the Empire can proceed under cover of critics being labelled Anti-Septic?

    It’s that threadbare Strongman trope, it irks me, it resembles “too poor, too wee, too stupid”, too Other and too inherently fractious, the muddle-headed oiks -it works as well and is suitably condescending for damping upstart pretensions in the slave reservations at home and abroad, having first got them fighting amongst themselves over trifles, divide et impera, the gift that just keeps giving. A bumper bonus for some entitled few to flaunt, and a fortified yoke for the ever obliging herd to labour under.

    Exciting equal opportunity position for suitably mustachioed Secular Tyrant, no experience or training necessary. Uniform supplied. Apply to Channel 4 with your particulars.

  94. Gilad Atzmon explains clearly for the uninitiated what Oded Yinon means. It is often referred to and is pertinent to the current upheavals. Gilad is well informed. He is called a ‘self hating Jew’ of course.

  95. The war criminal seems to be rather silent at the moment. Nothing to say Tony or are you still prostituting yourself to some group of rich 1%ers? You were recently advocating a touch more war war, on Syria this time. Remember?

  96. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Jun, 2014 - 7:52 am


    I love that sinister sounding “..and beyond”

    Yup, there really is a devilishly cunning Jewish plan for world domination!

  97. Our puny pocket politicians speak, mostly stating the bleedin’ obvious. How about Baker referring only to 179 British lives lost? Could not make it up.

    ‘Iraq chaos is Tony Blair’s legacy’: Intervention by ex-PM in 2003 destabilised the country and left it open to extremism, says Home Office minister
    Government ‘rules out’ new Iraqi campaign despite major Jihadist threat
    Al Qaeda militants have seized large areas of northern Iraq
    Norman Baker said Iraq was stable under Saddam ‘in a vile sort of way’

  98. Off out and off topic! but a lovely read for the weekend here from Alan Bennett. His take on our current condition. His look back at Cambridge in the 50s and the public school louts is good. Has anything really changed?

    Fair Play
    Alan Bennett
    Sermon before the University, King’s College Chapel, Cambridge, 1 June.

  99. @Jemand: It wasn’t just the invasion, it was the commercialisation that came afterwards… remember the “pack of cards” of Saddam’s henchmen – and the rival pack of cards featuring neocon archcapitalists

    “Between Iraq and a Hard Place” : Part 2

  100. Gaia Hepburn

    14 Jun, 2014 - 9:55 am

    I usually skip reading the trolls but I would prefer that they be banned. We all know who they are. They serve no honest purpose.

  101. Sofia Kibo Noh

    14 Jun, 2014 - 10:51 am

    Richard Alan Jones
    13 Jun, 2014 – 12:02 pm

    Spot on!
    “So let me get this right. We support the Iraq government in the fight against ISIS. We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported him, but ISIS is also fighting against him. We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS. So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win. If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less, and all this was started by us invading a country to drive out terrorists who were not actually there until we went in to drive them out. I think I’ve got it.”

    Any chance of your take on the contradictiond of the Nuland Gang’s ATO?

    Meanwhile here’s Aleksandr Zmeyevsky the Russian presidential representative for international cooperation against terrorism and organized crime at the UN on Friday. “Taking actions with a foreign blessing and support to suppress a protest movement, using troops and radical nationalists against civilians under the guise of a fight against terrorism, which is what is happening today in Ukraine, is absolutely unacceptable,”

  102. MSM has reported a lot more on Iraq since the Sunnis advanced on Baghdad than ever it did in the run up to the last Iraq war. There is a theme to what is reported and what is not.

    The BBC and Sky have even reported the shooting down of a Ukrainian forces military plane killing all 49 on board. But it only reports on issues where the government’s forces are attacked making it look like the pro-Russian Ukrainians are the aggressors, like the military helicopter shot down a fortnight ago. Remeber these are military targets. It does not report the mass killing of civilians in the towns (including 20 children) which has gone on over the same period. That is not news. Shameful I call it.

  103. Why would you expect any different, John. There has been a propaganda war going on since 9/11. IMHO, we in the UK used to be able to get a slightly balanced picture was because the BBC had some independence, and was competing for audience with Channel 4. When I saw John Pilger at Hay in 2004, for example, the event was sponsored by Channel 4. After Hutton, Channel 4 managed to continue in this vein… otherwise Rory Bremner & Co’s magnificent satires wouldn’t have been aired. The neutering of Channel 4 News was the final straw.

    Can the MSM filterers achieve “news management” on two fronts though?

  104. Roxy Music’s Brian Eno questions Britain’s involvement in Ukraine, Iraq and Palestine – does the UK have a right to expand NATO and will we ever hear back from the Chilcot Inquiry?

    Bianca Jagger exposes the double standards when it comes to dealing with rape in Sri Lanka because of our own governments arms trade deals with the country.

    Interestingly some 30 years ago I achieved UK political asylum for Sri Lankan friend, Sumi, by using company sponsorship. Sumi and his fatherless family fled the country after government forces destroyed their village, murdered and raped many young girls.

  105. Some of the best coverage on Iraq at the moment is from Aljazeera. They were/are neocon regarding Ukraine, but present more objectively on ISIS, Sistani, and all the other players in the region.

  106. Sofia Kibo Noh

    14 Jun, 2014 - 11:52 am

    While the corporate media turns ever more spectacular sommersaults trying to fit observable reality into the Neocon fantasy narrative, the evidence of multiple breaches of international law continues to mount. All symptoms of the same malady.

    More evidence here,

    Time to pile on the pressure for the perpetrators and their foreign backers to answer for their actions in the international courts?

  107. Will we (the people) get a Chilcot Report, Mark? Only if we follow the same tactics as the Hillsborough families, and that means 20 years hard slog. Are you prepared to keep going until 2023?

  108. Regarding news management, John… how can you manage the news when the “goodies” become the “baddies”.

    This seems to be what has happened with ISIS. They were the goodies in the MSM in Syria. Now they’ve gone over the border to Iraq they are rapidly being re-portrayed as the baddies (spoiling peace and democracy in Iraq). If you tell enough lies, then sooner or later they’ll come back to haunt you!

  109. Tony – you could take over the Low Life column at the Spectator, I am not taking the piss. You might have to add some narrative, but otherwise you are there.

    Guano – congratulations on exceeding the permitted level of craziness. Respect to you for that.

    Wonder if Iran is nervous as to whether ISIS is some sort of trap and whether all is not what it appears? I have no grounds for any such suspicion save that things often are not as they appear; apply Occam’s razor test and then conclude the opposite.

    Habba – all fools are welcome: fake or real.

  110. Peacewisher – The Chilcot report has a ‘big black marker’ over implicating text that entangles Blair/Bush within the ‘Iraq lie’ –

    I am committed to expose this deceit before returning; for the innocent new lives so destroyed and left out of giving back love.

  111. “Regarding news management, John… how can you manage the news when the “goodies” become the “baddies”.”

    Yep. There are no goodies and baddies Peacemaker. Anybody involved in war is a baddie. It’s peace we want. The laws are much better under peace.

  112. In case this disappears from Craig’s view in the lower threads. Important. We have heard it all about the state broadcaster now.

    Better Together film ‘made in BBC studio’

  113. Yes, Jon, but news media have to have goodies and baddies. Makes for more exciting news… and keeps their government happy as well if they get it “the right way round”. BBC now seems to have got them definitely as baddies, must be confusing because Iran now “goodies”. LOL!

    Mark… so am I. But no-one is going to listen to a couple of bloggers. Stop the War Coalition, or (better) Amnesty International should be leading this.

  114. Connecting all this with the last thread…. if Iran and US are now on the same side, where does that leave “Bomb Iran” Blair?

  115. Thanks for the pragmatism Peacemaker – looking back we do have a ‘chunkymark’ intention… and Craig.

  116. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Jun, 2014 - 2:30 pm

    Gaia Hepburn

    “I usually skip reading the trolls but I would prefer that they be banned. We all know who they are. They serve no honest purpose”

    I absolutely agree with you, Gaia.

    It is sad to see how this blog of Craig’s, started with the noblest of intentions, has been turned into a kind of mixture between a semi-private chatroom for a few self-important,lonely people and a platform for the vapourings of assorted shills, paid for by God knows whom: the PLO/Hamas shills, the Iran shills, the rasPutin/Russia is better shills, and so on.

    They should be laughed off the blog. I have made a start on this and have been joined by a small number of other posters who have the good of this blog at heart, but as you know, the trolls are legion. Please do what YOU can to help and ask your friends to do likewise! Many thanks.

  117. Mark,
    I understand why chunkymark shouts so much – he wants us to see his anger at the system, he doesn’t want us to be complacent, he wants us to be angry too …. fair enough. But I HATE being shouted at, by anybody, even by someone I agree with, who’s on my side. So I can’t ever last through a full video of him. Pity, cos he’s one of the good guys.

  118. That above was from the troll who contributes NOTHING here except dissent, distortion, distraction, and destruction.×300.jpg

  119. Beyond Iraq and a Hard Place
    Bremner, Bird and Fortune.

    We don’t have satire like this nowadays.

    There are 3 more parts linked on the page.

  120. I missed this but I expect the subject of Iraq came up.

    Rushanara Ali MP,
    Charles Moore,
    George Galloway MP,
    Nigel Evans MP
    Duration: 48 minutes
    First broadcast:Friday 13 June 2014
    Jonathan Dimbleby presents political debate from the Althorp Literary Festival in Northampton with Shadow Education Minister Rushanara Ali MP, Respect MP for Bradford George Galloway, Former Deputy Speaker Nigel Evans MP and the columnist and official biographer for Margaret Thatcher Charles Moore.

    plus Any Answers which was on today

  121. Peacewisher 14 Jun, 2014 – 12:58 pm
    “… so am I. But no-one is going to listen to a couple of bloggers. Stop the War Coalition, or (better) Amnesty International should be leading this.”


    Our desire for others to act on our behalf is learned, stupefying and bound to disappoint.

    Out of interest where do you blog?

  122. Jemand

    I do agree that it is hard to understand, when the Qur’an tells us to worship God alone, the Shi’a worship saints. It is difficult to understand how they believe in the book, understand the Arabic, but refuse to obey its instructions.

    But it’s easy to understand why they do it. If God delegated His power to the prophet SAW, and he delegated it to holy men, and a little bit for the Queen, and a bit for the Royal Mail…and a little bit for the Ayatollah and his brainless hordes of fighters.

    The children of Israel were deceived into worshipping the twinkle dust put into the golden calf. So it follows quite easily that Shi’a can also be deceived.

    In both cases they were not deceived until after they received clear instructions not to do the worship they ended up doing.

    How can Muslims force people to not to do what they have had clear instructions not to do. The US gave Maliki a chance to form a new country in Iraq. They say if you took commonsense down to the market place no one would buy it. Those who have it have no need for it, and those who do not have it would consider it a waste of time.

    Malik has just done what Saddam used to do, buy CIA weaponry. That should have been sufficient warning to him that his neck was on the block. Might come in handy for Daish to use on Assad though.

    When Daish do that, its time for the US to intervene on them.

  123. I guess that shouting is like a dog barking A Node, to alert the pack to danger. It is the artist taxi driver’s signature.

  124. Another one of these female loudmouths from the US State department has just been shown making a accusatory statement about the Ukrainian separatists and blaming them for the downing of a Kiev plane in which 49 died when it crashed. Does she have evidence for her accusations?

    One Marie Harf. ex CIA and she majored in Jewish Studies and Russian and European Studies. On the last elect Obomber election trail.

    That all fits.

    She is from the same department as Psakis.

  125. doug scorgie

    14 Jun, 2014 - 7:55 pm

    Now the fucking Pope tells of his doubts over Scottish independence.

    The West Central and Highlands being Catholic and the rest being Protestant.

    Divide and rule:

    “Pope voices fears over Scottish independence”

    “The Pontiff argues that the break-up of Yugoslavia was justified but questions whether “things are quite as clear” for other independence movements, including that in Scotland”

    What a complete tosser!

  126. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Jun, 2014 - 8:13 pm

    “That above was from the troll who contributes NOTHING here except dissent, distortion, distraction, and destruction.”

    Which is a bit rich coming from the bitch who mindlessly cuts and pastes away the whole day and never ever responds to perfectly reasonable and pertinent questions.

    Ni discussion, no reasoning, no thought, no follow through.

    An ostrich bitch.

  127. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Jun, 2014 - 8:17 pm

    More from the bitch:

    “Another one of these female loudmouths from the US State department……One Marie Harf. ex CIA and she majored in Jewish Studies and Russian and European Studies.”

    Why don’t you come into the open and say it, Mary – SHE’S A ….JOOOOOOOO!!


    Habbabkuk against sly anti-Jewishness, racism and sexism

  128. “Does she have evidence for her accusations?”

    I don’t believe anybody is actually denying it.

    RT are reporting the plane was shot down with a missile and the pro Russian Ukrainian forces are confirming it.

  129. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Jun, 2014 - 8:24 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “The Pontiff argues that the break-up of Yugoslavia was justified but questions whether “things are quite as clear” for other independence movements, including that in Scotland”

    Sounds quite reasonable to me as a point for discussion, Doug. What exactly are you objecting to?

    And please state whether or not you think that the Holy Father is allowed to have a view and to express it, Doug.


    “Now the fucking Pope tells of his doubts over Scottish independence……What a complete tosser!”

    Whatever the Holy Father’s view is, Doug, I suspect he manages to express it slightly more elegantly than you do. But he is, of course, an educated man.


    Lq vita è bella, life is good!

    “Now the fucking Pope tells of his doubts over Scottish independence.

  130. Apparently some guy walked into a Glasgow Ladbrokes today and put £400k on No. That is, by some accounts, the largest ever political bet placed in the UK. He has undoubtedly landed himself £290,000, tax free. I see Ladbrokes are no longer accepting bets over £137.50 on the Scotch bottling it.


    14 Jun, 2014 - 8:40 pm

    Even the ex Hitler Youth/Pope was lightly beginning to clean the house of pedophiles. Frankie? Meh.

    While it may be understandable that Bergoglio was unwilling to risk his life during the “Dirty War,” which would have been threatened had he vigorously spoken out against the military dictatorship’s human rights abuses, it is far less understandable why, for the longest time, he has remained virtually indifferent to those who suffered at the hands of sexually abusive clergy in Argentina.

    The Washington Post’s Nick Miroff recently reported on the case of Father Julio Cesar Grassi, an Argentine priest who, in 2009 was convicted of sexual abuse, and is now free on appeal. According to Miroff, “in the years after Grassi’s conviction, Bergoglio … has declined to meet with the victim of the priest’s crimes or the victims of other predations by clergy under his leadership. He did not offer personal apologies or financial restitution, even in cases in which the crimes were denounced by other members of the church and the offending priests were sent to jail.”

    There is no evidence, Miroff reported, that Bergoglio “played a role in covering up abuse cases.” However, “during most of the 14 years that Bergoglio served as archbishop of Buenos Aires, [prominent] rights advocates say, he did not take decisive action to protect children or act swiftly when molestation charges surfaced; nor did he extend apologies to the victims of abusive priests after their misconduct came to light.”

    Ernesto Moreau, a member of Argentina’s U.N.-affiliated Permanent Assembly for Human Rights and a lawyer who has represented victims in a clergy sexual-abuse case told the Associated Press that “Bergoglio has been the strongest man in the Argentine church since the beginning of this century, [and yet] the leadership of the church has never done anything to remove these people from these places, and neither has it done anything to relieve the pain of the victims.”

  132. 400k on No vote?

    Never knew Salmond was a gambler :-)

  133. Well, if the authoritarians and elites are agin it, it’s most likely good for the peeps.

    This is The Reformation all over again.

    People are increasingly seeing the elites for the decadent destructive lying thieving parasites they are.

    New forms of communication sidestepping the elite’s mass media, rationalism, individual thinking and of course the pampleteers on their blogs.

    The Holy Father.

    Are you an adult child, habby.

  134. What is it you have against the Pope, Herbie? Washing and kissing the feet of convicts too elitist for you?


    14 Jun, 2014 - 9:11 pm

    “Washing and kissing the feet of convicts too elitist for you?”

    Sandpaper and varnish won’t cure the dry rot and wormy woodiness.

  136. Get back to the peace pipe, Ben. You’re not making any sense!

  137. Bush and Blair: ‘Let’s go to bed.’ ‘Let’s go to war.’

  138. The bet story is as are most of them, a stunt, it never happened outside the made reality of the mainstream media, the Daily Record (circulation: the plughole) once again blunders, they should, but no doubt will not apologise for misleading the public, but misleading the public is what they do, it is their core function, it has Daily Sport levels of credibility and merely fabricates filler between the Arnold Clark adverts and idolising New Labour nonentities, crooks and thieves. The innumerate “Anon” has doubled the amount from 200k to 400k, and it didn’t happen “today” as you claim, or yesterday, or last week when the story was last printed in the Record, and probably didn’t happen in June 2013 either, though it was a year ago when the press release on the William Hill website was dated, which the Record lifted last week, in their desperation to please Miliband D.

    Comments on the article suggest the whole thing is fishy tale from start to finish, a publicity stunt by William Hill, I’ve never been inside a betting shop in my life, but insiders suggest in the real world such things do not, could not happen as described.

  139. “Man bets £400,000 on Scotland saying ‘no’”

    4 days ago.

    William Hill though, not Ladbrokes.

  140. Tony M,


    Although i made a joke of it earlier i immediately sensed the ‘story’ reeks of shite.

    Nowt new there with regard to the abysmal Daily Record.

    File under pish.

  141. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    14 Jun, 2014 - 9:46 pm

    Anon Scotch is whisky. Scots are the people.


    In come the trolls two by two just like Noah’s menagerie.

  142. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    14 Jun, 2014 - 9:50 pm

    Is there some schizophrenia present or are there more than one Habbabkuks?

    These on Squonk yesterday which I thought were really sweet.

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella! { You forgot to mention far fewer butterflies. } – Jun 13, 9:02 PM The General Discussion…

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella! { Mary Just to tell you that I do like reading your posts about animals and nature generally…. } – Jun 13, 9:01 PM The General Discussion

  143. ” Scotch is whisky. ”

    or eggs, tape, mist, pie, broth or a Corner.

  144. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    14 Jun, 2014 - 9:57 pm

    So what has Petro got in mind? Doesn’t he know the saying You reap what you sow?

    14 June 2014
    Ukraine’s Poroshenko vows response to Luhansk plane downing

    Ukraine’s new president Petro Poroshenko is taking on a poisoned inheritance

  145. Mary

    Beyond Iraq and a Hard Place

    The situation is awful and can only be mourned.

  146. Aahhh. The problem isn’t that there is too much war in the world, it’s that there isn’t enough ……

    “The world just hasn’t had that much warfare lately, at least not by historical standards. Some of the recent headlines about Iraq or South Sudan make our world sound like a very bloody place, but today’s casualties pale in light of the tens of millions of people killed in the two world wars in the first half of the 20th century. Even the Vietnam War had many more deaths than any recent war involving an affluent country.”

    …. and apparently war is good for us …..

    “It may seem repugnant to find a positive side to war in this regard, but a look at American history suggests we cannot dismiss the idea so easily. Fundamental innovations such as nuclear power, the computer and the modern aircraft were all pushed along by an American government eager to defeat the Axis powers or, later, to win the Cold War. The Internet was initially designed to help this country withstand a nuclear exchange, and Silicon Valley had its origins with military contracting, not today’s entrepreneurial social media start-ups. “

    OK. Right.

  147. Calling Scots “Scotch” elicits just the sort of precious whinging reaction one hopes for when using the term, the only surprise this time being that it comes from a Surreyite.

  148. This is the way the world ends, not with a bang, but a whimper.

  149. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    14 Jun, 2014 - 10:29 pm

    As you say Jay, there is no peace for any of us anywhere in this still beautiful world that we inhabit.

    But in spite of the seriousness of the present situation on many fronts, Agent Cameron found time to wish the footballing millionaires well for tonight. He is so like BLiar now, it’s laughable.

    He has a namesake LOL

    Cameron the lion, who lives at Bristol Zoo, has chosen an England victory tonight having had three boxes of meat to choose from, England, Italy and the draw.

    Remember that clever octopus?

  150. Excellent post – Craig.

    I came against this interesting website:

    Pure speculation but wasn’t this the time of Adam Werrity and Liam Fox?

    What have we started?

    Can we not ban Habbabkuk? He’s gone too far this time.

  151. Resident Dissident

    14 Jun, 2014 - 10:41 pm


    Those objecting to the use of Scotch clearly never read the preface to AJP Taylor’s English History 1914-1945

    “Some inhabitants of Scotland now call themselves Scots and their affairs Scottish. They are entitled to do so. The English word for both is Scotch, just as we call les français the French and Deutschland Germany. Being English, I use it.”

  152. As expected.

    Tony Blair rejects ‘bizarre’ claims that invasion of Iraq caused the crisis
    ‘We have to liberate ourselves from the notion that “we” caused this’, argues former prime minister in website essay

    The Observer, Saturday 14 June 2014 22.16 BST

    The article refers to his ‘essay’ on his Faith Foundation website but I cannot see it there.

  153. Resident Dissident

    14 Jun, 2014 - 10:53 pm

    “I came against this interesting website:”

    Nah – I don’t think so

    “Can we not ban Habbabkuk? He’s gone too far this time.”

    I think Habba can point to at least 10 insults for everyone he gives out in return – but strangely enough never a call for the banning of those giving out the most insults. Mary for example has yet to even provide an explanation for her “something of the Talmud comment” about Peter Mandelson a few weeks back.

  154. R2D2 How strange that you should know about that slime. You are not the author of it by any chance are you?

    PS Michel Chossudovsky knows of it too

  155. Give it a week, it’ll be some other paper, and 600k. Osborne’s robots really need to get a grip on inflation, this quantatitive-easing lark is getting out of hand, can’t the comeback-kid clunking-fist Brown come back and do one last favour for humanity?

    You can’t make this stuff up, but they do, surprisingly often. The Telegraph hack’s article doesn’t say Ladbrokes, but William Hill, as did the Daily Record one -I wish you, or they would make up their minds which bookmaker and stick with it, the bookie’s runner spokesmuppet named in both articles is the same, one Graham Sharpe, and he seems pleased and confident in his well-vetted and hauntingly familiar statement, that they – William Hill – will be keeping any money wagered (less the chancellor’s take) -it doesn’t sound like there’ll be much spectral jam tomorrow for this phantom anonymous punter. Here we have more of Blair’s toxic legacies, along with Iraq: divisive happy-clappy ‘faith’ schools, vampire banks and now record levels of gambling and parasitic back-street bookies spreading like a nasty rash. Casino Loyal, where once mighty engines forged the modern world, our fate turns now on George Osbourne getting a full-house at the bingo.

    The newspapers have entered the silly-season Olympics with a series of spectacular flops.

  156. Resident – I wouldn’t believe too much on rational wiki…

    A moment’s internet research would be wise.

  157. The interesting thing is just how media popular the past few popes have become.

    They’re now biggin’em up.

    Ratso’s visit to Westminster was an absolute disgrace. All that curtseying and crawling from the political and media class. It was very creepy, as if a bigger boss had come to town.

    Big shift from not so long ago.

    And this Pope Francis, Assisi, the Jesuit, who didn’t go along with Liberation Theology during the fascist days in South America, and now he’s kissing ugly people, disabled people, poor people and gods knows what else.

    I mean, if people can’t see all this nonsense for the media charade it is, then it’s not surprising they’re always on their knees.

  158. If true, it is outrageous. I am told that on the BBC ‘News’ it was announced that BLiar is coming on Marr tomorrow morning. The blurb only mentions John Reid and Sajid Javid.

    Perhaps the likes of BLiar’s mate has been leaned on and James Harding too, Director News and Current Affairs and Zionist supporter.

    Apologists for Israel take top posts at BBC

  159. Herbie Did you know that Patten Chairman of the BBC Trust was seconded to organize the Ratzinger visit. Wasn’t it excruciating and each minute of it was covered by the BBC. It must have cost a fortune.

    Pope visit declared ‘overwhelming success’ by Lord Patten
    The Pope’s visit to Britain has been an “overwhelming success”, according to the Government’s organiser.

  160. Yes, Mary

    Patten is a famous English Roman Catholic. Earlier in his career this was pointed out at every available opportunity, for some reason.

    But yes, it was very weird and creepy. Ratso looked like Klaus Kinski in Nosferatu with his pointy red shoes and dark eyes.

    However, this was a very political moment.

    Interesting perhaps to look at how much they were hit in media, across the Western world over the child abuse scandals.

    Not so much of that now in media internationally, but if you look locally you’ll see there is much yet to resolve.

    Looks to me like they were hit with the child abuse stuff to change their mind about something.

    Must have worked.

    The media campaign is over, and they’re rehabilitated and being crept to again.

    I’d love to see a mass media campaign against Councils and their care of children. Seems we only ever get that in incidental form, and no overall narrative is ever constructed.

  161. Its all just Roman theatre and PR.

    Ratzy was told to do one cos he wasnt telegenic.

    Beergoggler was fixed in as the new,ahem,touchy feely geezer.

    The rest is guff.

  162. Mary – if you really want to read Blair’s full demented denial

  163. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 1:07 am

    “R2D2 How strange that you should know about that slime”

    “Resident – I wouldn’t believe too much on rational wiki…

    A moment’s internet research would be wise.”

    That’s where a moment’s internet research into Global Research led me – and everything it said appeared to be revealing and well sourced – I note its healthy skepticism towards the usual conspiracy theories. Of course Mary calling it “slime” would be a another argument in its favour.

  164. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 1:15 am

    “Mary – if you really want to read Blair’s full demented denial”

    Of course she does – she hangs on his every word don’t you know – she’s Dorking equivalent of the old ladies in Clochmerle who monitored the public urinals so as confirm how they offended public decency.

  165. Blair’s ‘demented denial’ in part from his diatribe:

    Once the regime changes, then out come pouring all the tensions – tribal, ethnic and of course above all religious; and the rebuilding of the country, with functioning institutions and systems of Government, becomes incredibly hard. The extremism de-stabilises the country, hinders the attempts at development, the sectarian divisions become even more acute and the result is the mess we see all over the region.

    So after invading Iraq, what measures where put in place to rebuild ‘with functioning institutions and systems of Iraq’s Government’?

    (Leaving aside the dictum ‘if you break it you own it’ for the moment.)

    1) Appoint a total cretin like Bremer who banned the Baathist party and disbanded the Army, 400,000 immediately without income and not happy campers (not Blair’s fault, poodle factor – even the Brits used Japanese soldiers for security after Japan’s surrender)
    2) Bremer the cretin again, ignoring the socialist economy, tries to privatise infrastructure and natural resources.
    2) In the meantime, stand by and watch while the nation’s treasures are looted.
    3) Allow the sectarian divisions to deepen by allowing/encouraging ethnic cleansing of Sunnis
    4) With Sunni political grievances largely unanswered, (exclusion and discrimination against Baathist party members for example irrespective of culpability under Saddam) create the circumstances for extremist groups to flock to Iraq.
    5) Spend the next 8 years fighting the extremists with ‘collateral damage’ among civilians reaching appalling levels, likely hundreds of thousands. Such extremist in such numbers having never existed before, especially in Iraq.
    6) When the ethnic cleansing was practically complete, tell the world it was the ‘surge’ that did it, ignore the underlying cauldron of hatred created among even moderate Sunnis
    7) Engineer the accession of a Sunni hater like Maliki to power.
    8) Prop up Maliki and help him smash even Shia rivals.
    9) Allow/turn a blind eye to torture centres, Abu Ghraib etc
    10) When it all goes belly up, withdraw, blame the Yanks, blame now the events in Syria creating ISIS ignoring the support of same by Saudi Arabia, who not incidently wanted to smash Saddam in the first place etc etc

    Tony Blair is one sick poodle.

  166. There appears to be conflagrations everywhere. LIbya is still screwed, we must recall, who knows what’s happening in Ukraine, and Iraq, well, that sad basket case of a country is screwed for a generation, probably more. And yet, there is talk of more of the same. These neocons really can’t learn a single thing. Obama has, true to his usual tactic, said something reasonable, then belied it instantly, perhaps under pressure from the militant wing of neocons. Air strikes already on the cards. I also read something about a tactical alliance with Iran, through the looking glass stuff there. And apparently Bliar will be on our screens soon, doubtless telling us what we must do. Prick. What he should do is STFU, but he won’t.

    “The BBC News this morning said that ISIS would not be capable of using the billions of dollars of sophisticated western armaments they have captured.”

    Ah, the beardy goat-molesting terrorist ignoramus meme. Well, they seem to have taken time of from goat-troubling, and defeated the Iraqi army, so I think the bbc might have got this one wrong, as usual. The amount of misinformation floating around, I just don’t bother these days. Blogs tell you more than well-funded media outlets, well some of them.


    15 Jun, 2014 - 2:03 am

    umm. yes. Ukraine seems to be slightly out-of-focus. mebbe someone can bring it back to the foreground. The rope-a-dope strategem seems to be a winner. Look over here, no here. So it goes. No one seems that interested, yet.

  168. Sofia Kibo Noh

    15 Jun, 2014 - 2:33 am

    Dad was in high spirits at 8 13pm when he was showing RD how grown-ups do debates and stuff.

    ”Which is a bit rich coming from the bitch who mindlessly cuts and pastes away the whole day and never ever responds to perfectly reasonable and pertinent questions.

    Ni discussion, no reasoning, no thought, no follow through.

    An ostrich bitch.”

    Who could take issue with such a calm and reasoned explanation?

    Impressed with his own brilliance he drained the last bottle and just managed to shake RD from his stupor before taking a well earned kip.

    So, the US wants to provoke a war with Russia over Ukraine.

    While there’s no doubt people will die in large numbers, what are the chances of success if they get their war?

    I feel there must be a pattern somewhere here if only I could make it out.

    “Lebanon: US wanted a new Middle-East.  Fail.

    Iraq: US wanted to built a client-state.  Fail.

    Afghanistan: US wanted to eliminate the Taliban.  Fail.

    Pakistan: US wanted to eliminate the Taliban. Fail.

    Syria: US wanted to regime-change Assad. Fail.

    Egypt: US wanted to create a client state. Fail.

    Libya: US wanted to create a client state. Fail.

    Chechnia: US wanted to subvert Russia and control the Caucaus. Fail.

    Georgia: US wanted to subvert Russia and control the Caucasus. Fail.

    KSA: US wanted an alliance with KSA over Syria. Fail

    Qatar: US wanted Qatari support over oil prices and Russia. Fail.

    Yemen: US wanted to destroy al-Qaeda. Fail.

    Somalia: 20 years ago the US wanted to take Somalia under control. Fail.”


  169. BrianFujisan

    15 Jun, 2014 - 2:58 am

    Well said Sofia

    here too, is Abby reminding us of cia crimes over the years…just Some of an Endless List -

    Abby Martin goes over some of the Most outrageous CIA opperations around the world…

  170. IF you can lose your head when some of the British public about you,
    Were losing their loved ones in Iraq and blaming it on you,
    If you can trust yourself to fuck it up when some men doubted you to do that,
    But make no allowance for their doubting too;
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting for post prime ministership millions,
    Or being told the truth about yourself, but still deal in lies,
    Or being hated, give way to self-righteousness,
    And yet always wanting to look good, and talking gobbledygook.

    If you can dream of being Bush’s poodle – and make those dreams your master;
    If you can think of cheating- and getting Goldsmith to retract his opinion on unlawful war;
    If you can meet with Disaster and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors Bush and Cheney just the same with fawning sycophancy;
    If you can bear to hear the truth that others have spoken about you being a war criminal;
    Twisted as you were by false concoctions of WMD at 45 minutes notice to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to, GWOT and the lies on WMD, broken,
    And stoop and build ‘em up with worn-out tools of even more self righteousness

    If you can bullshit political crowds and lose your virtue,
    Or walk with Kings of Wall Street and other US filthy rich – and lose the common touch,
    if all your foes and some loving friends are hurting you,
    If very few men count with you, excepting neo-cons, dictators and other warmongers;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of lies and further obfuscation run,
    Yours is not the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And – which is more – you’ll be Tony Blair, that bastard one!

    (Hat tip to Rudyard Kipling)

  171. On June 13, Bangkok-based geopolitical analyst and writer Tony Cartalucci in an article, entitled NATO’s Terror Hordes in Iraq a Pretext for Syria Invasion has cleared some of the fog surrounding the evildoers behind the so-called “ISIL Islamists”.

    “In actuality, ISIS is the product of a joint NATO-GCC conspiracy stretching back as far as 2007 where US-Saudi policymakers sought to ignite a region-wide sectarian war to purge the Middle East of Iran’s arch of influence stretching from its borders, across Syria and Iraq, and as far west as Lebanon and the coast of the Mediterranean. ISIS has been harbored, trained, armed, and extensively funded by a coalition of NATO and Persian Gulf states within Turkey’s (NATO territory) borders and has launched invasions into northern Syria with, at times, both Turkish artillery and air cover,” says Cartalucci.

    “The alleged territorial holdings of ISIS cross over both Syrian and Iraqi borders meaning that any campaign to eradicate them from Iraqi territory can easily spill over into Syria’s borders. And that is exactly the point. With ISIS having ravaged Mosul, Iraq near the Turkish border and moving south in a terror blitzkrieg now threatening the Iraqi capital of Baghdad itself, the Iraqi government is allegedly considering calling for US and/or NATO assistance to break the terror wave,” adds Cartalucci.

    The Jewish-controlled Western media is capitalizing on ISIS’ notorious brutality, including mass beheadings and hundreds of thousands of civilians fleeing before them, is part of anti-Muslim campaign to pave the way for the so-called “humanitarian intervention” in both Syria and Iraq to further Balkanize the Middle East for the evil interests of Israel.

  172. Ah dear, Tony Bliar has waded in, as we knew he would. I almost feel sorry for the guy, he’s evidently in need of professional help. His ‘contribution’, however, is from the standard neocon play book. We did nothing wrong. Everything is as it should be. Nobody made a mistake, nobody resigns and nobody gets fired. Go back to bed, world.

    I’ve yet to see a single neocon change his\her mind about the invasion. The facts speak for themselves, but still every neocon sticks by their position. I’ve no explanation for this, other than perhaps they have been advised to hold the line by their expensive lawyers. Or, they are scared of retribution …

    Personally I think The Guardian should stop giving Bliar air-time, but that’s not going to happen.

  173. The BBC have put Blair at the top of their home page.

    LATEST:Blair: ‘We didn’t cause Iraq crisis’
    The 2003 invasion of Iraq is not to blame for the current crisis in the country, which is the “predictable” result of western inaction in Syria, Tony Blair says.
    US deploys warship amid Iraq crisis UK offers £3m for Iraq aid effort Iraq crisis: Reporters’ round-up Deal over Bush-Blair Iraq documents MPs’ vote halts UK action over Syria

    The accompanying photo, taken in 2006, has the pair in quizzical mode with Bush slightly out of focus. Is that supposed to imply that he’s the Wicked Witch and the clear eyed and staring BLiar the Goody Two Shoes?

  174. From an interview with the late Clarissa Dickson Wright.

    ‘It’s not just her own private life up for grabs. Clarissa’s time at the Bar overlapped with that of several prominent New Labourites, and she’ll discusses their escapades with equal gusto: ‘Cherie Blair was clever but desperately needy and always jumping on Derry Irvine.’ I wince. ‘Actually, Derry Irvine was quite a sexy guy back then,’ says Clarissa. ‘He radiated intelligence.’ And then there’s Tony Blair. ‘He was a few years younger than me but I remember him well. He was very glib, a chancer and, you know, he wasn’t really respected by anyone of my generation. Everybody used to say, it’s just as well he’s going into politics because he’ll never succeed at the Bar. We used to call him Miranda.’ Because he was wet? ‘No, no, he wasn’t called Miranda because he was wet, ducky!’ Clarissa guffaws impatiently. ‘Remember that scene in The Tempest when Miranda sees the sailors? Well then. He got on conspicuously well with all the male junior clerks. Everybody knew it.’ But he’s married now, I say. ‘So are a lot of people.’’

    Perhaps Resident Dissident in his little swipe at me above, and referring to Clochemerle, was subconsciously thinking of the stories that circulated about Blair’s activities in his early years in such a place in London

  175. We have to liberate ourselves from the notion that ‘we’ have caused this, might think Tony Blair is not a war criminal.


    Mary I think Bush being out of focus in that pic simply reflected the need for Tony to look more intelligent and stern while in the company of a cowboy idiot.

    Better suggestion than Blair’s: To recover some moral authority towards the ME, either Tony Blair surrenders to the ICC with handwritten confession OR he be allowed to exercise the courage of his ‘use force’ convictions and is parachuted into Mosul as the advance party of further (Coalition of Unrepresentative Swill) military action.

  176. BLiar is of course the Quartet Peace Envoy which is a great irony in the light of his recent outpourings for more war.

    Has he ever left his luxury hotel suite in Jerusalem and been into a Palestinian home and spoken with the members of the family? Would he have ever met this gentleman? Probably not.

    ‘ON RADIO 4 TODAY, SUNDAY, 15 JUNE 2014 AT 11.15 AM
    Raja Shehadeh
    Kirsty Young’s castaway this week is the Palestinian author and human rights activist, Raja Shehadeh.

    Born in Ramallah in the West Bank, his life and writing has been dominated by displacement, struggle and a search for justice. His father was murdered in 1985 and aside from chronicling the unhappy history of his family and his homeland, he’s also co-founded the Palestinian human rights organisation Al-Haq – which monitors and documents violations by all sides in the Middle East conflict, publishing reports and detailed legal analysis on its findings.

    Amid the heavy weight of his work he somehow finds time to nurture a glorious garden growing grapevines and pomegranates.

    He says of his work, “When you write your thoughts and feelings and emotions … then you can move on to new ones. Otherwise, they will keep rotating in your mind and you will go in circles”.’

    The use of the word ‘conflict’ irritates. There is an Occupier oppressing the Occupied. Just like the word ‘intervention’ is used by the corporate media instead of ‘offensive war and invasion’.

  177. Quite so Peter Kemp but he is protected in many ways and by many people.

    I liked your version of ‘If’.

    Thatcher liked to quote it. So did old Dan Maskell in his commentating at that relic of the British Empire, the All England Croquet and Lawn Tennis Club, where the poem is displayed on a plaque over the entrance to Centre Court.

  178. The Marr blurb is still not saying BLiar is on.

    ’15/06/2014 9am
    Image for 15/06/2014Not currently available on BBC iPlayer
    Duration: 1 hour

    Andrew Marr is joined by key political personalities and cultural figures to discuss topical politics, current affairs and the arts. His guests include culture secretary Sajid Javid, former home secretary and member of the Better Together campaign John Reid, and actress Kathleen Turner. Victoria Newton, editor of the Sun on Sunday, and Mark Kermode, author and film critic, review the newspapers.’

  179. Protected he is, Mary, more’s the pity. (O Tempora, O Mores, O Shit we can forgive Cicero for leaving out Tony Blair)

    Having said that, some Shakespeare in a predictive context springs to mind:

    Nothing in his life
    Became him like the leaving it.

  180. I just cant get excited about a sporting event that a government has spent millions funding yet people live in squalor and deprivation. Where drugs are rife and life expectation is very low.

    But enough of the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow, the World Cup has started.

  181. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 8:57 am

    From Jives (the Creature of the Night)

    “Although i made a joke of it earlier i immediately sensed the ‘story’ reeks of shite.”

    Yeah, sure, Jonathan.

    First you believe the story and get very excited.

    Then you read some bit of shite from far away Califiorniay and change your mind.

    And finally you tell us you “immediately sensed” the story was untrue.

    Funny way of showing it, eh, Jives?

    Grown up persons aren’t afraid to admit they make mistakes, Jonathan.


    La vita é bella, life is good!

  182. What the swill of the corporate media omits in its reporting on Ukraine.

    ‘At Chernobyl, a compendium of more than 5,000 studies has yielded an estimated death toll of more than 1,000,000 people.

    The radiation effects on youngsters in downwind Belarus and Ukraine have been horrific. According to Mangano, some 80 percent of the “Children of Chernobyl” born downwind since the accident have been harmed by a wide range of impacts ranging from birth defects and thyroid cancer to long-term heart, respiratory and mental illnesses. The findings mean that just one in five young downwinders can be termed healthy.

    Physicians for Social Responsibility and the German chapter of the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War have warned of parallel problems near Fukushima.’

    Fukushima’s Children are Dying

    There is another time bomb waiting to explode in Iraq following the use of depleted uranium tipped ammunition on a large scale. It’s in the dust and the air when the desert storms arise and now in the thyroids and lungs of the children and of the women of childbearing age and in their husbands’ zoosperm to terrible effect.

    In fact all of us are vulnerable as the winds carry the evil poison around the planet.

  183. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 9:08 am


    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella! { Mary Just to tell you that I do like reading your posts about animals and nature generally…. } – Jun 13, 9:01 PM The General Discussion”

    No schizophrenia anywhere, Mary. Your writings about nature and animals are evocative, sometimes moving and welcome (except when you’re trying to make a narrow political point – which isn’t usually the case). Perhaps you just go into off the wall mode when you write about politics, society and so on. Or perhaps you’re less of a pain in real life than you are in this virtual world – I’m informed that this is often the case. Opinions welcome.

  184. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 9:20 am

    Resident Dissident

    ““I came against this interesting website:”

    Nah – I don’t think so

    I just wanted to thank you for posting that source – I wasn’t aware of the existence of this thing called “rationalwiki”.

    Anyway, as readers will know, I have long harboured doubts (to remain polite)about this “Global Research” outfit – these doubts triggered by its excessively pretentious title and then by the fact that it was often given as a source by sundry crazies on CM.

    I am pleased to note that my doubts about “Global Research” and its leader (its one and only leader, it seems) “Professor” Michel Chussodovski are amply confirmed by what I read on “rationalwiki”.

    I must go there (to “rationalwiki” more often and the said sundry crazies should go to “Global Research” less.

  185. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 9:33 am

    I loved that pastiche by “Peter Kemp” at 03h44 this morning. A rival to our resident pasticher, the Celtic trans-gender leprechaun, has emerged and that’s good because competition is good.

    More generally, I note that this last night was “enriched” by a peculiarly large number of Eminences and others. They couldn’t all have beeen doing the night shift like Jives, could they. Was there a full moon last night by any chance?

  186. Peter Kemp. 3 44am

    Great reworking of “IF”.

    May Bliar have a long life, always aware of the harm he’s inflicted and the contempt in which he’s held by millions and always looking over his shoulder for the citizen’s arrest that succeeds.

    My bet is when he finally goes to meet Old Nick the street partys will dwarf Thatcher’s.

    In the meantime my wish is for him to answer in court for his crimes before being sent to Fallujah for an extended sentence of community service. That way, he’ll have to look into the eyes of some of the people whose lives he has blighted.

    Brian. 2 58am

    Thanks for the clip. Abby just scratches the surface with her list of shame.

    Maybe she should run a series. My favourites would be the thirty plus attempts to assassinate Castro. These included exploding wetsuits, exploding cigars, exploding clamshells, powder in his shoes to make his hair fall out, (so that Cubans would rise up chanting “No vamos a ser gobernados por un hombre que se parece a William Hague!”) and trying to make it appear as if Armaggedon had come…. with Jesus descending from Heaven.

    Too bad they blackmailed Mr Bean and the Wily Coyote and forced them to think up dumb schemes for them.

  187. BLiar was speaking from somewhere hot in a garden with palm trees in the background and an ornate wall behind him. He spoke at 15 to the dozen with those damnable hand gestures evident. I feel, having heard and seen the paramount psychopath this morning, that with luck he is hanging himself.

    An appalling apecimen of our species.

    Marr of course has memory loss.

    ‘On April 9, 2003, as Baghdad superficially fell to the illegal US-UK invasion, Marr lauded Blair’s great triumph on the main BBC evening news:

    “Frankly, the main mood [in Downing Street] is of unbridled relief. I’ve been watching ministers wander around with smiles like split watermelons.”

    Marr delivered this news with his own watermelon smile. He continued:

    “Well, I think this does one thing – it draws a line under what, before the war, had been a period of… well, a faint air of pointlessness, almost, was hanging over Downing Street. There were all these slightly tawdry arguments and scandals. That is now history. Mr Blair is well aware that all his critics out there in the party and beyond aren’t going to thank him – because they’re only human – for being right when they’ve been wrong. And he knows that there might be trouble ahead, as I said. But I think this is very, very important for him. It gives him a new freedom and a new self-confidence. He confronted many critics.

    “I don’t think anybody after this is going to be able to say of Tony Blair that he’s somebody who is driven by the drift of public opinion, or focus groups, or opinion polls. He took all of those on. He said that they would be able to take Baghdad without a bloodbath, and that in the end the Iraqis would be celebrating. And on both of those points he has been proved conclusively right. And it would be entirely ungracious, even for his critics, not to acknowledge that tonight he stands as a larger man and a stronger prime minister as a result.” (Marr, BBC 1, News At Ten, April 9, 2003)’

    and of course we won’t mention Aaronovitch and Cohen’s part in the propaganda for that bloody war.

  188. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 10:00 am

    Mary many thanks for demonstrating my point so quickly.

  189. Considering all the garbage from the neocon rational wiki as opposed to the real investigative journalism of GlobalResearch it does not surprise me that it has attracted followers like Resident Dissident and Habbabkuk. I came across this doing a search.

    If you want your brain full of it read on. It’s produced by idiots for idiots. And they take the bait.

  190. @

    I would prefer not to have my character and personality discussed by somebody who is a stranger and who is not a friend nor who knows me.

    Off out to breathe some clean (and hopefully not radioactive) air after that BLiar fest

  191. In the meantime my wish is for him to answer in court for his crimes before being sent to Fallujah for an extended sentence of community service. That way, he’ll have to look into the eyes of some of the people whose lives he has blighted.

    Indeed Mary, but even extended for 10K years of CS, Bliar will never have atoned for what he did.

    As for our own Little Johnny Howard, “Ratty” to his mates, more or less the same but I really regret that history cheated us, Howard was not with Bush when that Iraqi threw his shoes at a press conference, Bush ducking and Howard (“Deputy Sheriff”) might have copped it right in the middle of his bushy eyebrows. More than half of Australia and all of New Zealand would have ROFL. (As it was I think most of the ME had a victory in the humiliation of GWB that day, a humiliation not fully appreciated in the West within the Islamic/cultural context of feet/shoe throwing.)

  192. Meantime Maliki appears to have disgraced himself yet again, driving whatever remaining Sunnis in the Iraqi army or security services into the arms of extremists:

    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has announced that the troops will face the death penalty if they fail to fight the advancing Sunni militants in the country.

  193. Sofia
    “My bet is when he finally goes to meet Old Nick the street partys will dwarf Thatcher’s.”

    1/ They have been on first name terms for a very long time
    2/ Thatcher was coining in the millions for Mark because she believed in the stuff. Blair has to have all this money in order to mix with the gangster/ruler class whose games he played, in order to watch his back.

    We eat the daily political garbage given to us by the lying neo-cons like hungry pigs. So we really have to sympathise with Blair for having been taken in by the stuff. Free food is usually contaminated and eventually makes your balls drop off. Or whatever is the female equivalent, maybe puts balls on?

    Either way, I don’t agree with you that Blair is a true blue neo-con like MaggOTy. I am coming to the conclusion that USUKIS have set up ISIS together with their best religious mates in Iran. Daish like dosh, so plenty of dosh in the bank in Mosul for them. Plenty of tools of the trade, Humvees. Shi’a Honey trap.
    ISIS are off CIA Qaida message. So they are probably going to be reminded by USUKISIRAN who’s boss.

    By talking like this I can actually see directly behind my back with one eye and straight in front with the other. Great. I’m not going to give up my swivel-eye spectacles for anyone.

    The sentence of mine that Craig was forced by his masters to delete above went thus: ‘Everyone is entitled to their moment of idealism, but the world is actually controlled by Zionist banksters, so that moment of hope for peace and reconciliation is always eluding us.’

    As to Obama being tired, repeat of the 9/11 face on Bush?

  194. RD Why don’t you get one of those spiritualists in and get them to put you in contact with the late departed and much missed Clarissa to confirm what she said. Alternately you could read her biography which contains the same information.

    This is an extract of it ‘Confessions of One Fat Lady’ which contains the same information.

    And as I said to Anon the other day, do one, why don’t you.


    Have just come inside as it’s raining and who should be on with Andrew Neil’s Sunday Politics but Mark Urban giving it large on Iraq and all the dangers facing the Western world. It is always the same cast of warmongers but on different programmes of the propahanda machine.

    Then followed another excerpt of the BLiar interview for extra emphasis, followed by Mark Lyall Brown, ex Brown FCO minister, James Rubin, Amanpour’s husband and neocon ex Bush Ambassador to Iraq, Afghanistan and the UN, and a Ms Rahman from the Kurdistan Regional Government. The latter has extensive assistance from Israel.

  195. Mary

    Thanks for your mention of Chernobyl re Ukraine.
    Grass in Wales remained contaminated for years. Iraqis under Saddam remained oblivious to the concept of radiation from our weaponry until recently.

    Re: Fukushima, the pollution if affecting the US West Coast marine life and must be affecting the whole of Japan as well.

    I believe there is a cultural difference between Japan, where a disgraced leader will commit suicide and China where there will be a massive cover-up. Japanese engineers must have asked the question what would happen if a wave flooded the cooling pumps and whoever in power ignored the question is now too ashamed to take action over the radiation.

    The Chinese are not so disabled by a culture of shame. They would have taken action, and covered-the scandal up, in my opinion.

    The UK culture is more akin to the Japanese, bottling it up, than the Chinese, covering it up. This Tory governments only strategy for UK energy is to build nuclear power stations. It’s not a good idea, even if it’s the Chinese who’re going to build them.

    The insanity of fracking in the UK and the risk of polluting our water, demonstrates that ‘Nuclear’ and ‘Tory’ don’t mix, because the Tories always shunt the risks aside with their dreams of profits. UK Energy strategy is going to have to change after the Tories are kicked out at the election-FAST.

  196. Peter Kemp

    How can a Zombie talk about a death penalty. He should tell them they will be re-incarnated like him as walking dead.

  197. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 11:27 am

    Mr Goss

    And what exactly is wrong about what RationalWiki says about Global Research? I note yet another case of your usual approach of attacking those who disagree with you rather than their arguments – which as always I take as a sign of the weakness of your case.

  198. This reads like an Israeli press handout which it probably is. The new photo shows the IDF crouching down wearing those ridiculously big hats. I was once told what they were for but I have forgotten. Something to do with camouflage I think it was.

    No mention within of the atrocities committed on Palestinian children of course.

    PS Marr asked BLiar if he was continuing to be the Quartet representative. Not half. Lovely lolly. He said he has no interest in Brussels. Oh yeah!

  199. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 11:36 am

    “The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation. The idea that further western bombing will make things better is so deluded as to beggar belief.”

    While I can agree with the second sentence – the first really beggars belief. Saddam, Baathism, religious fundamentalism, the situation in Syria are in effect dismissed as irrelevances. One of the valid criticisms of the invasion of Iraq was that it did not fully understand the history or forces at play in Iraq – now Craig appears to have fallen for the same mistake.

  200. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 11:39 am

  201. “In the meantime my wish is for him to answer in court for his crimes before being sent to Fallujah for an extended sentence of community service. That way, he’ll have to look into the eyes of some of the people whose lives he has blighted.”

    It’s a good idea, but I fear that few in Fallujah would even recognise him or remember what he did. Sectarian violence, lynchings, bombings between Muslims, this is the daily reality in these parts of the world. It’s either that or brutal dictatorship. Punishing Blair for what he did 11 years ago would not even register on most Iraqis’ list of priorities. That is what comfortable middle class student union types like Sofia occupy themselves with here. They’re playing their own politics and it’s very far removed from the realities of life in Iraq.

  202. Regarding “If”, Tony Blair was only being a good business person…

    I’m sure millions of “would be” millionaires will be pawing over every word he writes and every sound he utters, to give a hint as to how they too could also become rich.

    The problem is a system that rewards “being Blair”. This is a system that is all about “getting away with it”, and for those who do the ends justify the means. Such a system is, of course, insane.

    I’m no economist but it is simple economics that the purpose of business in a free market sense is to make money. Period. Just to make money. That sounds very cold, but it is true, for those who wish to be successful.

    In a capitalist system the potential excesses of business are kerbed by “society”, which through government seeks to protect the people against the excesses of unbridled business.

    At some point government became overrun by business. This is no longer a capitalist system, but is rapidly becoming about money, money, money, money, money… ad infinitum. Nice for those having money, but increasingly hell for those who don’t.

    In the UK it started with Thatcher, and her mantra “there is no such thing as society” should have been a warning to everyone who wasn’t very rich. Blair has just followed in Thatcher’s footsteps. We shouldn’t blame Blair, but blame ourselves for letting Thatcher’s “no society” become the reality we are seeing today.

    Having said that, he still shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it!

  203. Habbabkuk-Turvey 8.57am,

    Think you need a dose of your own mistake medicine ya tube.

    Read back: i did not ‘ get excited’ at the bet story. If you check back i actually made a joke about the punter being Salmond.

    So Habbabkuk,as you say,grown ups admit their mistakes.

    Thus i await your admission of such,i thankee.

    If youre gonna go scattergun Habtroll at least get yer facts right you fool.

    Youre not very adept at the sockpuppet game are ya Haababkuk?

    Raise your game fella,your line manager is despairing of you Habbabkuk.

    And for the love of God please go and change that awful string vest.

  204. Anyway, latest news is Sunni militia burst into house and execute 17 Shia to accompaniment of 200+ “Allah-o-Akbars”.

    Lakbar, lakbar, lakbar!!!

  205. On a more positive note, it is nice of Andrew Marr to remind us all of his crucial “Squealer” role in getting the British public on side with regard to the Blair-Bush monstrosity, and the “Beyond Iraq…” parody by Bremner, Bird and Fortune was a worthy counter to the lies of Marr and co. The fact that this could only get onto the media through devious means like satire shows that we were no longer living in a properly democratic society even then. The historical lessons were to be learned from 1930s Germany… to quote Don McLean”: “They were not listening, they are not listening still, perhaps they never will…”

  206. When GW Bush landed,by his own hand,that remote controlled plane on tha aircraft carrier with the billowing banner in the background declaring “Mission Accomplished” over a decade ago how was he to know these pesky Iraqi towelheads are so dumb they,a decade or more later,stlll dont realise Team USA won the righteous and noble war when he,The Preznet,said so.?

    Honestly,how dumb can these Iraqis get?

  207. “No mention within of the atrocities committed on Palestinian children of course.”

    Yes, Mary, we all know that to read the Shipping Forecast without mention of the atrocities committed on the Palestinian children is a crime against humanity.

    Now, when are you going to find the time to mention the violence meted out by Muslims on other Muslims, all over the Muslim world on a daily basis, which makes any crime by the IDF pale into insignificance in comparison?

  208. @Anon:

    LOL re CWG

    Shia v Sunni…. Catholics v Protestants… Romans v Pagans, “us” v “them”, it is the same old story. Teach one people a (religious) doctrine that makes them feel superior… and that is likely to provoke war. Back to John Lennon: “Imagine…”

    @Peter Kemp”: you sure stirred a few brain cells with your rewriting of “If…”!

  209. America and NATO intention to execute airstrikes in Iraq and Syria clearly demonstrates Craig’s insight and wisdom in his deadly expectation, a terse hypothesis that will dramatically escalate war in the region and further alienate Russia and Iran.

    ISIS – which is heavily backed by the Saudis, who hate al-Maliki – brings this paradox into sharp relief. The current US and UK strategy is to persuade Saudi Arabia to get ISIS to reconcentrate their efforts against Assad, on the understanding they will be allowed to keep the Sunni areas of Iraq (the old neo-con plan of dividing Iraq is firmly back on the agenda).

  210. Andrew Marr,Master of Arslickahn.

  211. RD I’ve been following Global Research for two years now and its articles, and Professor Chossudovsky’s analysis in particular, is spot on. That RationalWiki is doing exactly what you wrongly accuse me of doing, slurring the publication rather than the argument. But of course you know this and are just being deliberately contentious.

  212. Something else positive in recent days and weeks (most visibly reported in Iraq and Ukraine) is soldiers showing common sense and refusing irresponsible orders to stand and be slaughtered, a la “Charge of the Light Brigade”.

    Of course the logic of saying fight and be slaughtered or we’ll kill you (did Maliki really say that?) is just too stupid to contemplate!

  213. Peacewisher re you sure stirred a few brain cells with your rewriting of “If…”!

    You’re welcome :-) That was up in the notice board at my boarding school in 1961, kinda stuck in my mind.

  214. You always know you’re dealing with a deluded lefty when they start quoting John Lennon.

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world…♬♬

    – John Lennon, multi-millionaire, 1971.

  215. Back to N Waziristan. 100 killed. Kill, kill, kill. More extrajudicial killing. Label somebody Taliban or militant, and you can kill them with inpunity.

    Pakistan air raids in North Waziristan ‘kill militants’

    I note the fighter planes were American.

    Is the word ‘militants’ in inverted commas because nobody knows the identity of those killed? And why the killing? How about some justice such as a trial with legal representation, a judge and a jury.

    ‘Where the law ends, tyranny begins.’

    We are in a downward spiral and returning to the Dark Age.

  216. “Something else positive in recent days and weeks (most visibly reported in Iraq and Ukraine) is soldiers showing common sense and refusing irresponsible orders to stand and be slaughtered, a la “Charge of the Light Brigade”.Of course the logic of saying fight and be slaughtered or we’ll kill you (did Maliki really say that?) is just too stupid to contemplate!”

    I trust you haven’t actually seen the footage coming out of Iraq.

    Honestly mate, you’re a complete and utter twerp.

  217. Here’s something for the trolls to put in their pipes and learn about. Collectively, they have just a speck of the knowledge that Michel Chossudovsky possesses.

    The Engineered Destruction and Political Fragmentation of Iraq. Towards the Creation of a US Sponsored Islamist Caliphate
    The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham: An instrument of the Western Military Alliance
    By Prof Michel Chossudovsky

  218. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 1:29 pm


    “….James Rubin, Amanpour’s husband and neocon ex Bush Ambassador to Iraq, Afghanistan and the UN,…”

    Are you sure of your facts there? I don’t think he was ambassador anywhere.


    “I would prefer not to have my character and personality discussed by somebody who is a stranger and who is not a friend nor who knows me.”

    But I do know you, Mary.

    And anyway, I can understand that you should react vigorously when you feel you’ve been attacked, but why such an ungracious response to what was a compliment?

  219. @Anon.

    Here’s another for you:

    “Black is grey and yellow white
    But we decide which is right
    And which is an illusion”

    Deluded is a human condition caused by using false brain processing to prevent seeing things as they are… in order to remain in some internal “comfort zone”. I think we all suffer from that – although some more than others.

    PS What is a… lefty?

  220. “Deluded is a human condition caused by using false brain processing to prevent seeing things as they are… in order to remain in some internal “comfort zone”. I think we all suffer from that – although some more than others.”

    Yup, twerp.

    I should add that the above video contains graphic footage of “things as they are” that may disturb some Murrayistas.

  221. Speaking of deluded, Anon…. one can see why.

    I’ve just listened to latest BBC TV news. Several minutes of Tony Blair (from Abu Dhabi) saying that current developments in Iraq not caused by the 2003 invasion and giving his opinions on what should now be done.

    Afterwards, the newsreader announced that this was now the BBCs top news story. I supposed it is, but probably not for the reason they are trying to suggest.

  222. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 1:49 pm

    The above exchange of views on the pretentiously named “Global Research” outfit and its star, “Professor” Michel, demonstrates the importance of the presence on this blog attracting fellow sceptics like Resident Dissident, Anon, Kempe, Jemand, etc (apologies to anyone I’ve missed out).

    The reason is the following: it’s been quite a while since I’ve been bringing up the question of “Global Research”‘s status, credentials and credibility. As so often, most of the Eminences and useful idiots have tried to deal with me by a policy of not responding: their inability to refute the points I make is masked by their mantra of ‘don’t respond to the troll’.

    That tactic is of course seen by the general reader for the sign of weakness and/or ignorance it is and in any event has no effect on my input here. More importantly, though, the tactic only worked as long as I was a lone voice and becomes much more difficult to apply when other commenters start questioning and calling to account Eminences and useful idiots.

    So, Resident Dissident and others, more power to your arm !

    (With apologies to Mary) Venceremos!

  223. Habbabkuk-Turvey.

    Still waiting for you to be a grown up and admit your mistaken accusation earlier…

    By your silence-and your own measure- it would appear you are not a grown up..

  224. New article relating to Snowden, and how Russia stood up to the might of the new American Century:

    I wonder if Snowden will go down in history as equivalent in importance to those who in the last century provided nuclear bomb development information for the USSR. I don’t know who these people were, but the world owes then a huge debt of gratitude.

    For Anon: this view is only deluded if your regard the US Empire as being entirely benign, as Tony Blair appeared to do. Nothing to do with left or right!

  225. LOL! Last BBC update still all about Blair but airbrushes out his codswallop about 2003. Obviously a bit TOO cringeworthy and embarrassing.

  226. Anon,

    Re Lennon.

    Artists,nay human beings,are allowed to postulate,dream even-regardless of wealth.

    Should we denounce Picasso,for example,because he was rich? Dylan? Etc etc..

    I guess in your brutal little worldview thats not permitted though,and you seem unable to distinguish between an expression of artistic idealism and ritualised totemistic money.

    Lennon not warlike enough for you Anon?

    Your post was very shallow,narrow and bitter.

  227. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 2:32 pm

    “No mention within of the atrocities committed on Palestinian children of course.”

    Especially those committed by the Assad regime against the many Palestinian refugees that used to be in Syria and have now been forced to flee.

  228. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 2:38 pm

    “Here’s something for the trolls to put in their pipes and learn about. Collectively, they have just a speck of the knowledge that Michel Chossudovsky possesses.”

    “I would prefer not to have my character and personality discussed by somebody who is a stranger and who is not a friend nor who knows me.”

    From the same person apparently.

  229. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 2:41 pm

    “What I cant understand is how the absolutely vile rubbish in their talmud is OK (eg shooting kids in Palestine after licking them on circumcision) is mitigated if the muzzies are up to the same transgressions?”

    Leaving side the fact that I am not Jewish could you please just point out one case where I have ever offered such mitigation for such unjustifiable behaviour by the IDF.

  230. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 3:04 pm

    The fatal attraction of the good political blog:

    exit the Old Lizard “Commode”, enter the Old Devil Ba’al Zevul

    exit the Old Devil Ba’al Zevul, enter the modestly titled “Peter Kemp”.

    And all without a fanfare… :)


    15 Jun, 2014 - 3:26 pm

    Yats trying to resurrect the Reich, as he feels the thousand-year prediction should be fulfilled.


    15 Jun, 2014 - 3:29 pm

  233. Ref

    You do not ‘know me’.

    Rubin. Correct. It was Zalmay Khalilzad who was the Ambassador. Pity it was not made clearer below.

    ‘Rubin was born into a Jewish family in New York City.[1][2] He graduated from Columbia with a BA in political science in 1982, and a Master of International Affairs (MIA) in 1984 from Columbia’s School of International and Public Affairs. At Columbia, Rubin was a student of Zalmay Khalilzad, later U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan, Iraq and the United Nations under President George W. Bush. Rubin also attended Boston University.’


    I have given several responses concerning Global Research, listing the principals and even having to tell you that .ca at the end of url is the domain abbreviation for Canada and not California as you said. LOL

  234. More surmising about the identities of Peter Kemp.

    I think you will find that Ba’al Zevul posts Monday to Friday.

    One of the trolls even queried Anne Hilditch’s name (‘if that is your name’). Who the hell do they think they are?

  235. Habbabkuk-Turvey,

    Obviously,but as we knew,not a grown up;still no acknowledgment of his/her/their earlier mistake.

    Line manager gonna send you out to pasture Habtroll;althoug grsnted all evidence points to the fact youve been there long before you invaded here.

    Now,do remember to get that string vest cleaned hmm?


    15 Jun, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    Of course Blair says it’s all Maliki’s fault. Didn’t we engineer his rise to power?

    “The less sophisticated neoconservative responses are to simply deny the truth or the importance of these losses, or to somehow blame them on political opponents who either actively opposed the invasion or were dragged into tepid support of it under threat of jingoistic political attacks in a country rabid for revenge against “the perpetrators.””

    Not being content with past mischief, now they’re reverse-engineering in Ukraine.

  237. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 3:47 pm


    “One of the trolls even queried Anne Hilditch’s name (‘if that is your name’). Who the hell do they think they are?”

    I guess the troll concerned just suspected that the handle Anne Hilditch was being used by one of the bitches. :)

  238. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 3:50 pm

    “More surmising about the identities of Peter Kemp.

    I think you will find that Ba’al Zevul posts Monday to Friday.”

    Oh, OK, I hadn’t realised that some surmising had already taken place.

    Anyway : perhaps the Old Devil posts as Ba’al Monday to Friday and as Peter Kemp at weekends…..

  239. Collective noun for the trolls..??

    A Resjemkemhabanon of trolls,possibly.

    Come on Habby,acknowledge your mistake and prove youre a “grown up”-to quote you.

    You’d grow in stature in all our eyes were you to do so,i’m quite sure!

  240. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 3:55 pm


    “I have given several responses concerning Global Research, listing the principals and even having to tell you that .ca at the end of url is the domain abbreviation for Canada and not California as you said. LOL”

    Well, all you’ve been able to tell me is that the pretentiously-named “Global Research” outfit is run by one man and his dog (or bitch).

    Quite amazing actually that a one-man show can deal with “global” matters, isn’t it?

    I think I’ll stick with what Resident Dissident found out on that wiki site, it sounds bang on.

    And “Professor” Michel Souris can take gardening leave.

  241. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 3:59 pm


    “Come on Habby,acknowledge your mistake”

    Which mistake was that, Jonathan? If it was me saying that you got excited, how on earth was that a mistake?

  242. Habtroll,

    Oh dear Habby,youre making a fool of yerself again.

    Clearly you cant tell a joke from excitement.

    Why am i not surprised though?

    Ok,so a troll with an old string vest walks into a bookies….

    Och…il let you deliver the punchline Habby….

  243. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 4:07 pm

    “Rubin. Correct. It was Zalmay Khalilzad who was the Ambassador. Pity it was not made clearer below.”

    Come off it, Mary, the Wikipedia article was perfectly clear, you just read it too quickly.

    Nothing wrong with making a small mistake, Mary, what’s worrying is when adults refuse to accept that they have. Ask our friend “Jives”‘

    And, BTW I DO know you (but you might be unaware of it)

  244. Habtroll,

    ” BTW I DO know you..”

    Fine line between idiot and scary stalker Hab-Turvey.

    Oh look! Youre line manager is pulling his hsir out and blood is weeping from his eyes.

    Any poorer/more stalkerly and you’ll be sent to remedial hasbara school.

  245. So,according to the official 911 narrative forced upon the world by the Neocons 19 Saudi hijackers were to blame.

    Naturally their fraternal placeman Dubya decided to invade Iraq because there were DEFINITELY WMD’s 45 mins away from readiness to attack the West.

    And anyway,Colin Powell held up a small plastic bottle at the UN to prove it.

    It’s all so clear now.

  246. It will soon be ‘we know where you live’ and tall thugs in balaclavas will appear at the door armed with machetes. LOL.

  247. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 4:58 pm

    “So,according to the official 911 narrative forced upon the world by the Neocons 19 Saudi hijackers were to blame.”

    Hardly forced – any internet search will find literally thousands of alternative theories preached by all and sundry enjoying free speech in our western democracies – I suspect that what sticks in your craw is that despite all that effort people are still free to agree with the official narrative.

  248. Mary,


    I think maintaining so many split personalities round the clock is clearly affecting our dear Habby.

    His minds are clearly splintering.

    Seemingly his/her/their line manager has already pencilled in ” very long break in sanitorium required immediately.”


    Blair’s office just said this:-

    “3/4 years ago Al Qaida in Iraq was a beaten force. The country had massive challenges but had a prospect, at least, of overcoming them”

    But – if I remember correctly:-

    A. Pre- 2003 there was no Al Qaida in Iraq.

    B. The purported reasons for the war were primarily that Saddam had WMDs and that he was an evil dictator who needed to be removed and then the world and Iraq would be better off without him.

    C. So – since A proved not to be true – and all at B above has proven to be the opposite of the declared intent for the invasion of Iraq – and now over a decade later with the death toll and instability climbing and increasing – how rationally and/or honestly does Tony Blair maintain his stance that he did the right thing in having Iraq invaded?

    Either I am incorrect – or – someone ( hopefully not me) needs urgently to sit with a consultant psychiatrist for immediate diagnosis and treatment.

  250. Jives He’s certainly both a menace and menacing. I say he. Could well be a she. Anyway the bunch of them are excessively monotonous and boring. Time they packed it in and gave it up as a bad job.

  251. I put that link up earlier Courtenay. A certaing group here are rubbishing both it and Global Research which rather suggests Chossudovsky has hit the spot.

  252. The idea that further western bombing will make things better is so deluded as to beggar belief.

    That explains why Tony Blair and John McTernan support doing just that.

  253. Mary,

    ” A certaing group here are rubbishing both it and Global Research…”


    1. Did the CIA fund and train the Mujhadin ( which later morphed into Al Qaida) – when it ( the US) wanted to defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan?

    2. If the answer to 1 above is “yes” – and it is not an unknowing phenomenon for the US to have groups do proxy fighting to achieve a greater objective of US foreign policy – then…

    3. Is it beyond the realms of probability that the US, wanting to see Assad out of power does this:-

    i) Effects proxy funding ( via the CIA) of the Al Qaida fighters who are opposing the Assad government?

    Comment: Surely – my enemy’s enemy is my friend – so what does the US have to lose if a proxy force is funded to attempt Assad’s overthrow? After all, Assad is a friend of Iran and Russia ( now both enemies of the US) – why not then fund the fighters and hope for the best in pursuit of the long-term strategy of the US in the ME.

    ii) If the US has certain long-term goals in the ME ( and the US does) and Al Maliki is not playing ball as desired, why then not seek to realign Iraq along ethnic/religious lines – Kurds, Shia, Sunni – have it split then in a more manageable way deal with the fragmented entities?

    Comment: The experience with Yugoslavia gives us a most recent example of this strategy in operation, with the Serbs kicking off the separatist action, and the West appears contended with the break-up. Thus, can we deny the attack on Libya and that the end game in a tribal society could not have been assumed not to be the quick return to strong central government in a post-Ghaddfi Libya, rather the fractionalisation that we see in operation today in Libya. Does it not make sense that to state that the same process is in play in Iraq today – as Chossudovsky has articulated?

    Question: If Chossudovsky’s analysis is wrong – then who has a better explanation of the forces in operation today in Iraq? Or – is it as B-liar declared – there is a disconnect between the 2003 invasion and the consequential fall out today in Iraq. Who is right; who is wrong; and – who can post better and more reasoned explanations?


  254. Muttley79,

    ” The idea that further western bombing will make things better is so deluded as to beggar belief”

    It goes much further than that with B-lair.

    It is a bit like the US officer in the Vietnam war who told the media that he had to bomb the Vietnamese village to save it.

    If there were not mad people running the world – then – when someone such as B-lair makes such a stupid, inane, illogical and delusional statement then the men in white would be around quickly to place him in a straight-jacket to ensure that he did not have any further chance to do anymore harm to any other human being or large section of humanity.

  255. Do Al-Qaeda really exist other than as a convenient MSM spectre?

    Or just a database of men with beards brandishing barely working Lee Enfields the Yanks sold them 35 years ago?

    All ive ever seen is the same MSM repeated footage of the same 3 guys struggling to clamber over a few rungs of what must be the most useless and primitive assault course ever cobbled together.

    Of course the MSM would have you believe this is actually the sprawling hi-tech nerve centre of an HQ that would render Blofeld envious.

    Complete bollox the lot of it.

  256. If we call – or – name ” Al-Qaeda” as a group sharing certain extreme Islamic beliefs – then that definition comes like “Christian” – “Muslim” – “Zionist”. In other words, there can be factions, sects, sub-groupings under the umbrella group, yet a common set of beliefs can be shared, but the expressions of the group come from different sub-sets. The main point is that there is an identifiable body/group.

  257. I got drawn into watching some war porn following Anon’s youtube link and beyond. I was struck:

    Why are so many of the ISIL fighters covering their faces (some with black balaclava)? This seems an unexpected hedge for crazed religious warriors.

  258. It is just a blessing that Blair is a busted flush politically and has no power to take us into another war.

    Good e-mail to Gurumurthy on Ch 4 News.

    Posted by Ed on June 15, 2014, 6:44 pm, in reply to “Krishnan Guru-Murthy….shameful warmongering in his Snowmail ”

    Mr Guru-Murthy,
    In reference to tonight’s Snowmail (1).
    Over a million dead Iraqis, cancer rates and a toxic legacy in Fallujah higher than those in Hiroshima after they dropped the atomic bomb, carnage every week in the streets, most people without a regular supply of water and electricity, medical facilities and care woefully inadequate…. and yet here you are selling Blair’s snakeoil for yet another “intervention” in Iraq, just like you did for the illegal invasion in 2003.
    What is it about you that sees fit to treat a proven liar who bears personal responsibility for all of the above and much, much more, as a legitimate and sincere advocate of more “Western intervention” in Iraq? It’s nothing short of obscene.
    Your reference to the “potential threat to the west from a new al-Qaeda style powerbase in the Middle East” is pure scaremongering obfuscation too considering you are more likely to be killed by a bee than a terrorist.

    Ed Murray.

    The Snowmail read:

    (1)Blair backs another Iraqi intervention – but is his a lone voice?

    Can Britain even contemplate intervention in Iraq as militant Sunni Islamists threaten to bring down the Shia-led government? The only man trying to force us to do that right now is Tony Blair. In an article and interview today, he rejects the idea that the 2003 war is to blame for the current crisis, arguing instead that it is the failure to confront Syria that has allowed the spread of extremism.
    There are options short of an Iraqi style invasion, he argues, without spelling out what they are. But it seems clear that air power, intelligence and military support for the Iraqi army are what he has in mind. Virtually nobody wants to spring to his side in this conversation which, given Blair’s toxicity with so many people these days, perhaps isn’t surprising. But also given the potential threat to the west from a new al-Qaeda style powerbase in the Middle East, the lack of advocates for such military action is also rather surprising.

    ‘Where’s my famous supporter Michael Gove when I need him’, Blair might wonder. I’ll be talking to the British Ambassador to Iraq live from Baghdad and our Foreign Affairs Correspondent Jonathan Rugman has been talking to the son of the Iraqi President, who is also a deputy prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan.’

  259. Read just some of the 2000+ comments on the Guardian article and you can see how low he rates in the people’s opinion.

    Tony Blair: west must intervene in Iraq
    Ex-PM says allies should consider military options short of sending troops after denying 2003 invasion led to Isis crisis

    The revolting war mongers’ stenographers and spin merchants are itching to get their maps and graphics with the magic pens working again on another war.

  260. Meanwhile Agent Cameron is not going to be left out of the limelight. He’s been doing some Muslim bashing. He talks of British values and the need to observe the rule of law. Where do his secret trials fit into that ‘rule of law’? Has he ever read the Magna Carta. He was unable to translate the title when asked some time back.

    Be more British Cameron tells UK Muslims: PM issues powerful new pledge to combat extremism
    He plans to use 800th anniversary of Magna Carta to reassert British values
    Prime Minister said it is time to stop being ‘squeamish about Britishness’
    He said refusing to accept British laws and the way of life is ‘not an option’

    ‘The Muslim Council of Britain
    Farooq Murad: I hope @David_Cameron takes up with #MailonSunday their misleading headline on Muslims and #BritishValues #MCBAGM’ Facebook

  261. The case against Saddam Hussein.

    He was our man allegedly (done as our bosses, the US and thus their bosses told him): Make big war with Iran. A war ensued, millions were killed, we openly armed Iraq selling lots of weaponry, covertly armed Iran, selling lots of weaponry, and with all the money and oil sloshing around, the CIA used the profits to exand their wholesale drug dealing business in heroin, and fund violent reactionaries, quislings, narco-states and death squads all over the globe, and expanding the cocaine side of their black-budget businesses massively.

    So little of the money eventually began finding its way to the actual arms manufacturers, the guys with the lathes and the milling machines, working full pelt, that in the US and UK, the government stepped in to keep the lathes turning by guaranteeing payment, the Export Credit Guarantee Scheme, so that we ended up supplying arms on credit, on the never never, probably to both sides again but certainly to Iraq; there still must be legal argument over who actually owns the scrap metal rights in Matrix-Churchill’s appalling ‘SuperGun’. A well-meant suggestion that Lottery funding be used to compensate the taxpayer, purchase the SuperGun and set it up within deadly range of the Westminster Parliament, keep it in working order and test it from time to time, was dismissed by John Major, though people would have payed good money to see in action a weapon which could hurl a projectile bigger than a double-decker bus at the Tories.

    Thatcher’s government connived with the US in fomenting the war Iraq-Iran and profiteering from it, they approved blackheartedly that proxy war was a gas, and better still, the taxpayers paying for it were mostly oblivious. Over-reach and hubris British style then struck, British companies, in their greed built and equipped for Iraq a poison gas shell making plant, with secondary capabilities making innocuous, chemicals, bleaches and stuff, and made sure Saddam had all the necessary nerve gas precursors, raw materials and stuff to give Iran (and the world) the shivers.

    The Iranians were duly gassed in their millions, but the frontline was a bit porous especially in the Kurdish areas, where Iranian conscript soldiers were not quite deserting but certainly went temporarily AWOL, enjoying the hospitality of the friendly kinfolk of northern Iraq, with whom they had no beef, and many injured Iranians, half-gassed Iranians were cared for, medically assisted there, with a good many Iranian teenagers discovering a little of life outside Iran and away from military discipline and danger, for some, some R&R away from homes and families. This is where retroactively Saddam would be said to have over-stepped the mark with the poison gas (of which act Winston Churchill would surely have set his great seal of approval!) -disloyal Iraqi Kurds fraternising with ‘enemy’ Iranians, in one fell swoop he’d fix them both and put the fear of $deity, as a warning into his other internal splittists, the Shia of the South.

    Poor old Saddam, he’d done many terrible things, but still in the eyes of the US and UK, he was a genius and could do no wrong, suggestions a Knighthood or an Archbishopric might be in order for him, came to naught, he soon realises he’s been done up like a kipper, he’d swapped a lot of oil, for piles of paper dollars, with far less calorific value, then blown his piles of dollars buying arms and fighting Iran, he owed money all over the place, his gas bill was extortionate, his oil is being pinched literally from right under his nose, he developed a bad back, and a painful in-grown toenail compounded his misery.

    Kuwait, once part of post-Sykes-Picot Iraq, was cleaved off, long back by the Perfidious Albion, to create yet another oil-rich super-rich pocket mini-state, but being small, its oil reserves soon diminished, but by drilling well off-vertical, into neighbouring ex-parent Iraq’s huge underground reserves, the solution could be found and they soon began pumping it. Crafty Saddam quickly ended the war with Iran, tidied away the many corpses, then had a think, he must accumulate some big piles of the new Euro Wonga, Dollar Moolah (not the radical cleric) had been the cause of all his woes, with his oil selling at two cents a barrel, and he couldn’t print dollars himself like the Saudis could do.

    With Fiat money, Mercedes money, Monsieur Saddam woud soon be back in the big time, they couldn’t treat him like this after all he’d done! But first those Kuwaiti ingrates must be stopped. The Americans for once incredibly “had no particular view on his inter-Arab disputes”, they gave the green light, but immediately once Saddam was off to teach the Kuwaitis a lesson, the signals changed from green to red. Kuwait, was the new Belgium, it was Poland, it was Egypt, they were cuddly and Saddam, was a m-m-m-monster lithped the BBC.

    And so … Incubators, new new new new new Hitler, Gulf War 1.0, blah blah blah, Highway of Death, Revenge on the Southern Shia, sanctions, sanctions, dead babies, sanctions, still sanctions, dead babies, Gulf War 1.1, more dead babies, harmless ‘depleted’ nuclear waste and so on. There are some who believe he wasn’t hung but patched things up with Kaiser George Busch I’s successor Kaiser George Busch II and Queen LizardDeth and was smuggled out to Scotland, England, where he resides to this day in a bungalow by the sea.

  262. There are also those, Tony, who think that the man captured from that hole was not Saddam Hussein at all, but someone who looked like Saddam with a beard. If so, where is he now?

    There are also those who think that Hitler escaped to Argentina, and provided evidence about it in a book…

    Good old “Occam’s razor”!

  263. Sorry, didn’t read message thoroughly, Tony. Scotland, eh! That would give the struggle for independence a whole new meaning!

    ISIS may be an “unintended consequence” of the aftermath of the Iraq War, but the thinkers behind the neocons do seem quite good at using the unexpected to their advantage, cf 9/11. Now they could find a way to argue for bombing Syria,

  264. Ba'al Zevul (Happy Landings, Tony!)

    15 Jun, 2014 - 9:48 pm

    I see my favourite discredited liar has been making (himself) some headlines again. Seems we need to launch another ill-planned, underequipped war on false premisses, against an adversary whose sponsors we are deeply committed to pleasing at every possible opportunity.

    How times change.

    Here’s Tony instructing the Turks to cool it and negotiate with the PKK in 2011:

    How the Turks feel about the prospect of the PKK’s successors being armed and supported by the West (as they defend civilisation from the rampaging Qatari-proteges ISIS, has yet to be widely reported. Probably because it’s unprintable.

    Here’s Tony leaving Istanbul in his undeniably lovely charter jet, G-CEYL, in 2011:

    G-CEYL left Northolt earlier today, destination unknown as yet.

  265. Looks like I’m behind the curve on this one… USUK are already planning to bomb:

    Original article in the Sunday Times, but I wouldn’t want to encourage anybody to pay for the pleasure of reading the original.

  266. Oh, yes, RD, freedom of speech. All the main TV programmes and press outlets are so free that they do not cover important stories like RD’s fascists in Kiev attack on the Russian Embassy a day and a half ago.

    Also reported on Russia Today, unsurprisingly. Keep reading the comics RD and you will think these nationalists are superheroes zooming in to rescue mankind.

  267. @John. Good article on “The man who knew too much”. I’m sure if he was at liberty he’d have plenty to say about current developments.

  268. “Oh, yes, RD, freedom of speech. All the main TV programmes and press outlets are so free that they do not cover important stories like RD’s fascists in Kiev attack on the Russian Embassy a day and a half ago.”

    It’s on the BBC website, and ITV, Reuters, Haaretz, Nypost…

  269. Fred not been shown on the news at all anywhere in UK. And even if it was this, which has been going on for a fortnight, has not – all the killing of civilians and children (20).

  270. Mary. 1 21pm

    Re the term “militant”

    This term is known to cause some confusion, so let me clarify.

    From the State Department’s new “Freedom Dictionary”

    p. 109,

    “ mil•i•tant (ˈmɪl ɪ tənt)

    1. dead from US / Nato bombs.

    2. living anywhere where future US / Nato munitions are detonated.

    3. any foreign person killed or dismemered by US / Nato munitions / sanctions.

    4. any person engaged in being killed or terrorised by US / Nato or any convenient proxy mercenaries or jihadis. “

  271. “I’m sure if he was at liberty he’d have plenty to say about current developments.”

    Quite right Peacemaker. It is worse than what is disclosed in my article but I am not free to say in what way at the moment. But keep reading News Junkie Post, Global Research, NSNBC, Huffingdon Post and other alternative media. MSM is full of shit, like John Simpson tonight supporting Tony Blair’s view on the US having to take action again in Iraq. God, what a mess they have made of the planet!

  272. Sorry, Peacewisher, for calling you Peacemaker.

  273. Phil has a point.

  274. Another perspective:

    ”From my point of view – one of an ex-military analyst – I would say that I am extremely unimpressed by the junta’s performance so far.

    The junta’s death squads have used all the means at their disposal to try to terrorize the people of Novorossia: they began with baseball bats, then knives, then guns, they assault-rifles, then machine guns, then heavy machine guns, then mortars, then heavy mortars, then regular artillery, then multiple rocket launchers, then attack helicopters, then attack aircraft, then cluster munitions, now even white phosphorus.  And what did they achieve in military terms:

    1) they are more or less holding an airport and one hill near Slaviansk/Kramatorsk
    2) they have taken Krasnyi Liman (and committed a massacre in its hospital)
    3) they apparently have 1000 or so men surrounded in the Lugansk airport

    That’s it.  They could not even take Slaviansk!  This is with force ratios anywhere between 5:1 to 100:1, with heavy firepower, armor and total air supremacy.  Sub-pathetic, really…

    And, in the process, they have lost hundreds of soldiers who defected to the other side – often with weapons – they have gotten a huge number of their own conscripts killed, one group of senior “Alpha” officers was caught and several paratrooper recon units were made prisoner (the latest one yesterday).  In Lugansk Ukie forces appear surrounded and the latest shooting down of an Il-76 by the NDF air defense forces was part of a desperate attempt of the junta to free these forces or, at least, to resupply them.  In fact, there are all the signs of a desperate movement by land of Ukrainian armor and infantry to break through these units some of which, according to unconfirmed reports, have already switched sides.

    As for the Novorossian Defense Forces (NDF), they now clearly have a solid air-defense network up and running, they seem to have plenty of weapons (even though they still lack some specific types) and most, but not all, of these weapons are truly trophy weapons taken from the Ukies (such as the 3 T-64 tanks recently shown in the news).  The initial trickle of volunteers has slowly but steadily become larger (including volunteers from Russia proper) and the NDF is now clearly enjoying some fancy systems which could have only have been provided by Russia (electronic warfare, advanced anti-air systems, etc.).  Yes, there are lots of Ukie tanks around Luganks, but as late as this morning a senior NDF officer in the area has said that “we can hold them for at least several months”.  Finally, and for the very first time, there are signs that the NDF are mounting offensive operations.

    I am basing all of the above on admittedly partial information, but to me all the signs are clear and point to one and only one reality: the Ukie offensive is going absolutely nowhere and unless Uncle Sam comes up with a dramatic way of changing the face of the battle, Novorossia will probably withstand the Ukie assault without over Russian intervention.


    So far, I see the strategic-level scorecard for the AnlgoZionist as a complete failure.  As for the tactical-level scorecard, it is probably too early to call, but I would say that it looks like the Empire is headed for a complete defeat.  Of course, these are temporary conclusions and I don’t want to sound like Dubya with his notorious “Mission accomplished”.  But I think that for all of us who get sick in their stomachs each time we hear of the latest Ukie atrocity it is important to keep in mind that so far the neo-Nazis and their AngloZionist masters are losing and that there is no reason to suspect that this trend will somehow reverse itself in the foreseeable future.”


  275. Rumour has it that they (or at least some of them) are mercenaries paid for by beneficiaries of Saudi oil. Makes sense… wasn’t that also allegedly true of some of the rebels in Syria?

    No-one agreed with Blair this morning… even Marr looked sceptical. Good old John Simpson! If I remember right he did the last of the softening up before “Shock and Awe”. Late 2002… 80% against war with Iraq. Just before invasion… down below 50%.

  276. @Sofia. The empire is never defeated! Even in Vietnam they allowed the enemy to get an honourable draw, in order to get one of their men the Nobel Peace Prize. Ironically, Dr. H is belatedly talking sense. Pity the neocons aren’t listening. Hopefully EU will listen to him.

  277. @John: not only you… second time today. Was Henry Kissinger really a peacemaker, or just making the best of a big bloody mess in South East Asia?

  278. Peacewisher,

    Here is my answer to your question:-

    Was Henry Kissinger really a peacemaker, or just making the best of a big bloody mess in South East Asia?

    Alfred Nobel and the Real Prize – Peace

    “I accept this award today with an abiding faith in America and an audacious faith in the future of mankind. I refuse to accept despair as the final response to the ambiguities of history. I refuse to accept the idea that the “isness” of man’s present nature makes him morally incapable of reaching up for the eternal “oughtness” that forever confronts him. I refuse to accept the idea that man is mere flotsom and jetsom in the river of life, unable to influence the unfolding events which surround him. I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality.”
    (Martin Luther King – acceptance speech for the Nobel Prize – December 10, 1964)

    As the inventor of dynamite, who amassed a fortune, Alfred Nobel thought that the destructive power of his invention would serve to bring an end to all wars. The modern day equivalent of Nobel’s thinking would be the concept of nuclear deterrence. Destructive power so overwhelming should make war inconceivable.

    A French newspaper had misread Nobel’s brother’s death as that of Alfred. It published a less that admiring obituary terming Alfred Nobel, the “ merchant of death.” To avoid the posthumous reputation indicated by the premature announcement of his death, Nobel took the course of establishing via his will the Nobel Prize.

    The purpose of the prize and the idea of peace

    Alfred Nobel’s will bequeathed the prize:-
    “…to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.”

    Two men – two concepts and the idea of peace

    If Martin Luther King as a humane, albeit flawed ( as we all are) recipient of the Nobel Prize can be deemed a martyr for peace, no more significant contrast with a fellow Nobel laureate can be found than in the personage of Henry Alfred Kissinger.

    Kissinger along with the Chief North Vietnamese negotiator Lu Duc Tho received and shared a Nobel Peace Prize. How, I ask myself, could Kissinger ever have qualified for a peace prize.

    Kissinger’s misdeeds over his career as National Security Adviser and Secretary of State read like a chronicle of red-blooded horrors for the scale of human destruction consequent upon his actions:-

    ◦Prolonging by four years from 1968 to 1972 the end of the Vietnam War.
    ◦Participation in the illegal and secret bombings of Laos and Cambodia.
    ◦Direct involvement in the destabilization of Angola.
    ◦As head of the Presidential Committee on Central America giving succor to death squads.
    ◦Supporting torture and repression under the reign of the Shah of Iran.
    ◦Giving military, diplomatic and political support to the racist regime in South Africa.
    ◦Directly assisting the murderous General Pinochet and undermining the democratically elected leader of Chile, Salvador Allende.

    Tortures, wars of aggression, crimes against humanity, international terrorism, have all witnessed condemnation in the international community. If one gives support to and actively participates in acts that are manifestly illegal and inhumane does that make such an individual culpable? As Pinochet can accurately be termed a murderous dictator and torturer, and the House of Lords case in England permitting his extradition did not acknowledge Pinochet’s sovereign immunity, is Kissinger not one who remains manifestly accountable?

    Among the humane expressions of concerns by this recipient of the Peace Prize, can be listed:-
    “ I don’t see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people” ( translated: let us destroy Chile because we do not like the result of the democratic election – so let them be killed to be brought into line).

    “ Why should we flagellate ourselves for what Cambodians did to each other”

    Consider for a moment what the US with Kissinger’s direct participation did:-
    President Johnson had halted the bombing in Vietnam, and Kissinger’s direct involvement ensured political deception and a false promise to the North Vietnamese, so as to facilitate, a hiatus and election of the Republican President, Richard Nixon. Four more totally unnecessary years of war continued in a war the America had already lost by 1968 and the figures of war deaths during the subsequent four years are:-

    South Vietnamese – 86,101
    Enemy – 475, 609
    Americans – 31, 205

    These are truncated numbers of deaths, deliberated limited to the four extra unnecessary years that the Vietnam War was escalated and made to last. What greater case for an indictment against Kissinger if the entire spectrum of his misdeeds were included. Add to this the facts of the secret and illegal bombings in Cambodia and Laos, and consider the accuracy of B-52s raining bombs from a great height on the Cambodians and Laotians, delivering to them with deadly ( even if not precise and accurately targeted “shock and awe”) what was callously termed “ breakfast”, “lunch”, “snack”, “dinner” and “dessert” as codenames for the bombing sorties. Add to these crimes some Agent Orange and chemical spraying of defoliants and pesticides and then apply some napalm and then inflict same on the people. Kissinger had a hand in all of this, knew and understood the levels of human carnage, was involved in the concealment from the press and Congress, and engaged in illegality at the highest levels in Washington. Putting it mildly, while 2,044,000 tons of bombs were, by Pentagon estimates, used during the entire Second World War, the US dropped 4,500,000 tons of explosives during the Vietnam War. For what we might well ask ourselves – for what?

    China, the world’s most populous Communist country during the post- Vietnam era became a most favoured trading partner of the US. Vietnam was a poor peasant society, and what then was the war really about – Vietnam a threat to American national security? – was the war ever at all necessary?

    Fortunately, however, Dr. Henry Kissinger as America’s undeniably most astute global analyst saw good cause in perpetrating and prolonging war in Vietnam, bombings in Laos and Cambodia, with quite intelligent geo-strategic sense in deploying deadly force against civilian populations. To his everlasting credit and distinction he has been duly awarded the “Peace Prize” for his tremendous humanitarian efforts.


    If we do not at times reflect on history, we are doomed to repeat it.

    Let the bombing of Iran begin and long live the necessary war in Iraq until the WMDs are found.

    Without that audacious faith in the future of mankind, we might very well be left with only proof of the stupidities that forever confront man.

    Recommended readings

    “A Testament of hope: The essential writings and speeches of Martin Luther King Jr.” – J.M. Washington ( Editor)
    “Sideshow – Kissinger, Nixon and the Destruction of Cambodia” – William Shawcross
    “The Trial of Henry Kissinger” – Christopher Hitchens
    A factional title: “George Walker Bush – the Nobel Prize – for bringing peace and stability to the Middle East” – Author: Henry Alfred Kissinger

  279. Thanks for the detailed reply, Courtney. I had no idea he was an enabler for Pinochet. I suppose they kept the war going to keep the arms manufacturers in business (American jobs for American workers… ?)

    Capitalism and the war machine… what a great way to make money.

  280. US to work with Iran to solve the Iraq problem.

    Does that mean they’ve snubbed Blair, or are taking on his ideas? His speech yesterday was so confusing, the only thing I got for certain was the need to “bomb Syria”.

  281. As the old sourpuss Gore Vidal so sagely intoned after Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize:

    The award committe had revealed themsleves as ” master ironists of Northern Europe”


  282. Reuven Rivlin: Israel’s new ‘Righteous Zionist’ President

  283. ‘As part of the operation, Israeli soldiers conducted house-to-house searches in a refugee camp on the outskirts of Ramallah on Sunday night.

    Medical officials said Ahmad Arafat died after being shot in the chest during clashes that followed the searches.

    They said it was unclear whether the Israelis had been trying to arrest the young man.’

    Someone earlier asked why the ISIS mob were covering their faces. Well it seems the IDF do it too if you look at the photos and the video in this report. Look at them.

    Palestinian killed as Israel expands search for youths

    RIP Ahmad Arafat. It was your fate to be born into a Palestinian refugee camp in an Occupied land.

  284. This melancholy song sung by Judith Durham who had a beautiful voice fits in with my mood and thoughts this morning.

    Sadness at the endless killing and hurt.

    The Carnival is Over

  285. The outcome here should be interesting. Perhaps Petro himself will cough up.

    LATEST:Russian gas giant Gazprom reaffirms 07:00 BST deadline for Ukraine debt payment after EU-brokered talks fail

    Ukraine crisis: Kiev faces halt to gas supply

  286. BrianFujisan

    16 Jun, 2014 - 6:48 am


    you are always welcome to the islands…stand by ….

    i said before… NOT on Here

  287. The Fog Machine of War
    June 14, 2014

    FORT LEAVENWORTH, Kan. — WHEN I chose to disclose classified information in 2010, I did so out of a love for my country and a sense of duty to others. I’m now serving a sentence of 35 years in prison for these unauthorized disclosures. I understand that my actions violated the law.

    However, the concerns that motivated me have not been resolved. As Iraq erupts in civil war and America again contemplates intervention, that unfinished business should give new urgency to the question of how the United States military controlled the media coverage of its long involvement there and in Afghanistan. I believe that the current limits on press freedom and excessive government secrecy make it impossible for Americans to grasp fully what is happening in the wars we finance.

    If you were following the news during the March 2010 elections in Iraq, you might remember that the American press was flooded with stories declaring the elections a success, complete with upbeat anecdotes and photographs of Iraqi women proudly displaying their ink-stained fingers. The subtext was that United States military operations had succeeded in creating a stable and democratic Iraq.

    Those of us stationed there were acutely aware of a more complicated reality.


    What a brave person. Imagine looking ahead to 35 years in prison at her young age. Inhuman and inhumane. So much for the land of the free.

  288. Thanks very much Brian. One day…who knows.

  289. Nice one Courtney on Henry Kissinger. I read somewhere in the eighties that one of Kissinger’s school friends said of him: “His sincerity is a millimetre thick” though I guess he spelt it millimeter.

    Mary, when Russia has previously cut off gas to Ukraine, the Ukrainians just siphoned it off. What would you expect of a government that does not pay its gas debt, that wages war on its own people, that overthrows a legitimate government? No wise investor would risk capital in a country that cannot do honest business and economically it is doomed to failure. The US will help it of course by supplying military aid for killing its own people but that will only further impoverish a bankrupt parliament of thuggery.

    However this shady government will have lots of support from “you know who” on Craig’s blog.

  290. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Jun, 2014 - 7:59 am

    “However this shady government will have lots of support from “you know who” on Craig’s blog”

    Well, Mr Goss, whether people on this blog support or don’t support the democratic govt of Ukraine is completely unimportant.

    What does matter is whether the Ukrainian people as a whole (ie, with the exception of some dubious facists in the pay of Russia/local oligarchs in the east) supports the legitimate Kiev govt and President.

    Ir is beyond doubt that it does.

  291. Just as it is beyond doubt, Habby, who are the trolls on this site…

  292. “Well, Mr Goss, whether people on this blog support or don’t support the democratic govt of Ukraine is completely unimportant.”

    That’s nonsense. It is very important for getting the real news out. I was happy to give Poroshenko the benefit of the doubt when he was first elected because of his pledge to visit Eastern Ukraine and negotiate with their legitimately elected government. It took twenty four hours for me to change my mind. He did not visit Eastern Ukraine, and had no intention of doing so, but visited upon it sophisticated weaponry. Residents there will hate him, quite rightly, for evermore. His government cannot last.

  293. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 8:20 am

    I wonder if Tony’s gone to Burma?

    Getting a pattern here. Blair’s getting some sort of income (probably a cut of international aid) for ‘advising’ some very dodgy regimes on ‘governance’. Any further details? No.

    We are currently carrying out governance work on a short-term basis, supporting the government to build delivery mechanisms to help deliver their long-term strategic goals.” This description in the letter was so general as to be meaningless*.

    Burma Campaign UK has repeatedly asked for further clarification, regarding what kind of governance work is being undertaken, and what delivery mechanism and what long-term strategic goals Tony Blair is helping the military-backed government in Burma with. We have received no response.

    * I beg to differ. It is so meaningless as to be a model of executive bollocks.

  294. BrianFujisan

    16 Jun, 2014 - 8:31 am

    Mary i have just made a pledge to ya… Samruai Keep

  295. Apart from William Hague, BBC Radio 4′s guests all really laying in to Tony Blair this morning. David Starkey particularly damning. Looks like BBC news management’s charm offensive has failed.

  296. “Fred not been shown on the news at all anywhere in UK.”

    It’s on this BBC News broadcast at 5 minutes in.

  297. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 8:50 am

    What was particularly blameworthy of the BBC was giving material from Blair’s self-promoting website prominence in its original news bulletins. I can’t help wondering if the machine isn’t using the wide public distaste for anything advocated by Blair as a get-out clause to avoid getting in too deep in Iraq. Actually, I hope so.

    Johnson’s reported description of the latest turd on the doorstep as ‘unhinged’ is too mild, but true enough.

  298. BBC woman on the red sofa to Simpson in Baghdad about the executions carried out by ISIS which are all over the papers this morning.

    ‘Tell us more John about this atrocity, the worse that has happened in Iraq since Saddam was overthrown in 2003.’ !!!

    No mention by her of the US and UK atrocities in Iraq 2003 to date.

    After he did his piece in that world weary voice (think of all the wars I have witnessed) she signs off – Thanks very much John. That was John Simpson the BBC World Affairs Editor live from Baghdad’. Were not the viewers fortunate to hear the words of the sage?

    He thought the photos were genuine and had no reason to doubt their veracity………


    The Guardian view on the Iraq crisis: a case of blame and shame
    Posted by The Editors on June 16, 2014, 8:28 am

    In a nutshell: ‘If there has to be a hierarchy of blame for Iraq, however, it must surely begin with Saddam.’

    Surely! Only if the Guardian’s editors want to keep selling the right message to its audience.

    Yes, muted words are added about Western countries and the ‘deficiencies’ (sic) of the occupation. But that’s the liberal establishment for you.


    The ISIS slaughter if you want to see photos. Note Mr Roth of Human Rights Watch appears to praise them cf Maliki. Same old same old from him as with Syria.

  299. Blair is not ‘mad’ or ‘unhinged’. He is a psychopath. How many more times?

  300. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Jun, 2014 - 8:57 am


    “Just as it is beyond doubt, Habby, who are the trolls on this site…”

    Thanks for that cogent and thoughtful response to my comment on the importance (or otherwise) of comments on this blog for developments in the real world.

    Faced with unpalatable truths, the reaction is either (1) ignore, or (2) shout “troll!”.

    Join the Monkey Brigade, Peacewisher. :)

  301. More surmising about the identities of Peter Kemp.I think you will find that Ba’al Zevul posts Monday to Friday.” Oh, OK, I hadn’t realised that some surmising had already taken place. Anyway : perhaps the Old Devil posts as Ba’al Monday to Friday and as Peter Kemp at weekends…..

    Nah, I’m from the Antipodes, twitter @peterkemplawyer don’t you guys ever google? :-)

  302. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Jun, 2014 - 9:09 am

    Mr Goss

    ““Well, Mr Goss, whether people on this blog support or don’t support the democratic govt of Ukraine is completely unimportant.”

    That’s nonsense. It is very important for getting the real news out.”

    No, it’s common sense itself. Your belief about the importance of commenters on this blog reveals a disturbing degree of self-importance. It is also predicated on your belief that the “news” you provide is the only “real” news, and that is something that many light be inclined to query.

  303. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 9:48 am

    Take no notice of the interjections, Peter Kemp, wherever you’re from…they stopped googling when they couldn’t get nearer my nick than stone-age Canaan…

    You may find this help to plug the persistent assholes:


  304. Thanks peter Kemp for your modern reworking of if, adding a smile.
    Blair deserves everything he gets in his frantic re write of events.

    That the media is amplifying his sad excuses as if they are in trance, whilst he hold justice Chilcots choker and plays international meddler, is the saddest thing since the creation of Israel.

    Where is the journalists who is doorstepping Blair and writing about his and Jack Straws torture policies, the lazy and inhuman pre Iraq war planning, the chaos that was created by installing Maliki, rather than a balanced Government of all tribes.

    Just been on FB anmd saw the full on Hasbarra action that is ripping Harry Fears messages apart, these students are getting really busy trying to make out that Hamas has kidnapped these three youth, one who is a soldier. They must be in receipt of bonuses and extra shekels for whoever finds a trace of the three.

    I’m sure that Mossad is looking after them well.

  305. Fred I watched the BBC News last night and there was no mention of it. Even in the link you provide there was no footage of the overturned embassy cars or damage to the embassy, and it looks like it was marginalised at 1 pm. and not as far as I saw shown again. But you do not address the many civilians killed in Eastern Ukraine, or the refugee crisis. All this goes unreported – or marginalised.

  306. I think Habby the “many” you refer to are yourself, RD (ESLO), Kempe and Anon, which is not many.

  307. “But you do not address the many civilians killed in Eastern Ukraine, or the refugee crisis. All this goes unreported – or marginalised.”

    That is because I was addressing the statement you made:

    “All the main TV programmes and press outlets are so free that they do not cover important stories like RD’s fascists in Kiev attack on the Russian Embassy a day and a half ago.”

  308. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 10:24 am

    Brendan: I’ve yet to see a single neocon change his\her mind about the invasion. The facts speak for themselves, but still every neocon sticks by their position. I’ve no explanation for this, other than perhaps they have been advised to hold the line by their expensive lawyers. Or, they are scared of retribution …

    Third option – they’re conmen. Conmen actually believe the crap they’re telling/selling you, themselves. If they don’t they can’t sell it. Established FACT.

  309. More likely Brunei.

    CIA have just twisted the Sultan’s arm to join ISIS and establish Shari’ah. Problem is, you can’t build in certain areas for fear of upsetting the resident spirits/jinns.

    You establish monotheism but your people worship jinns. You establish Shari’ah because the CIA want an alternative to Diego Garcia for landing Jumbo jets.

    Life is so very complicated for the very very rich. And you have to entertain the world’s greatest twits.

  310. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 10:33 am

    Opinions vary. Probably because the situation is extremely unclear and complicated. Here’s Fisk on some of the convoluted background -

    This is what happens when the strongman regimes of artificially created ‘countries’ fall apart. Proximate cause: Blair-Bush…but ultimate cause, Sykes-Picot.

  311. John

    hello Boss. How are you? The trolls went for a training day last week. The main theme was, if you don’t understand the issues, just talk gibberish. They are polyfilla for the polytheists, ok for filling the odd small holes in the decor with wood-cells, but not up to plastering over the cracks in neo-con ideology. They get their info from leaflets in DIY shops.

  312. Courtenay is ‘Courtenay’. I believe ‘Courtney’ is a girl’s name! Just saying.

  313. Robert Fisk

    Always manages the to miss the nail so far as I’m concerned. last time it was when he was focusing his concern on the Shi’a shrines in Syria. “Bush and Blair said Iraq was a war on Islamic fascism. They lost”. No. That was the slogan of the War on Terror. We live now in a post Libya, post joint Al Qaida and USUKIS command. You can con some of the people some of the time.

    Islam arrived in the UK with the Enlightenment. It was the source of the Enlightenment. Just because the powers that be didn’t want a Pope in Rome giving them orders, didn’t mean they didn’t want themselves to be giving orders to the people of this realm. The Anglican church still considers itself fervently to be a Catholic religion i.e. top>down.

    Islam gives a furqan/standard, no spying, no lying at all, no stealing, no beheading innocent men women and children. That was a no no, so Islamic monotheism was mercilessly oppressed. The aspirations of Islam were recognised by everyone who had read the Bible, but the standard had to be destroyed or the powers that be would be finished.

    It was finished by the extremism of Puritanism and Calvinism. That is what the CIA has been using Al Qaida for for the last bloody 20 years of our lifetimes. UKUSIS want the world to start getting ready to put Islam in the bin.

    Millions of Muslims, but not the brothel creeping, i.e.gewads who grovel to the Government’s Prevent program and climb the slippery pole of UK politics by selling their fellow Muslims – are going to enjoy the Ramadhan Qur’an fest by reading and listening to the truth of the Qur’an.

    “Praise be to the One who sent the Book and has not made it crooked.” Robert Fisk is entitled to his opinion. I am quite clear that ISIS is a CIA scam. Or should I say Sham.

  314. Someone should start a new version of Fox’s Book of Martyrs ( a book I have re-bound for a customer and also own ) about the exploits of the CIA’s Al Qaida. Keep the masses scared and down!

  315. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Jun, 2014 - 11:46 am

    Mr Goss

    “I think Habby the “many” you refer to are yourself, RD (ESLO), Kempe and Anon, which is not many.”

    Perhaps not, John, but as I’ve written before, there are at maximum 20 Excellences, of whom about half use this blog as a kind of private chatroom.

    That gives an Excellences-Disenters ratio of about 2:1, which isn’t that bad.

    Good enough to get you lot rattling the bars of your cage, anyway :)

  316. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Jun, 2014 - 11:50 am


    “Robert Fisk

    Always manages the to miss the nail so far as I’m concerned.”

    In that case, Guano, you could so worse than listen carefully to Ba’al Zevul or whatever The Commode calls himself these days.

    After all, there must be a solid bedrock of information and fact hiding under that lofty tone, that calm, assured manner and those intimations of superior knowledge.

    Musn’t there? :)

  317. The ‘excellences’ contribute by informing each other and maybe the readers who come here whereas the trolls contribute nothing except dissent and diversion.×300.jpg

  318. Some people like Fisk (who could be described as a liberal?) will not ever grasp the nettle.

  319. Sorry heeb I didn’t catch that. I don’t know if it was my fault, I’ve got an ear infection, or could you please put your teeth in.

  320. Mary. He grasps the nettle but he isn’t a Sunni Muslim so he laments the destruction of shrines. If one good thing happens in the next few days in Iraq it would be the total destruction of the Shi’a shrines at Kerbala and Nagef. Not to mention the Anglican shrines of Buckingham Palace and St Paul’s Cathedral. I’m coming to London God willing on Thursday if anyone wants to join in.

  321. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 12:15 pm

    “Bush and Blair said Iraq was a war on Islamic fascism. They lost”.

    He does seem to be out of the ballpark there. Bush used the term re. Hizb’ullah, not Iraq.

    Saddam was a good old-fashioned secular-style fascist. He had some idea of assuming the Caliphate mantle – as everyone in the region routinely does – but an Islamic fascist he wasn’t.

    Your own interpretation, Guano, admits that this isn’t a religious issue at all. It’s about power. It’s like a game of three-dimensional Northern Ireland, with seven or eight players. It’s ironic to think that the region in Ottoman times much more closely approached the globalists’ ideal: local tribalism ensuring that no-one got too united, a mobile workforce, endemic corruption ensuring an unregulated market, and the whole thing run for the benefit of merchants.

    The current batch of mad fundamentalists are the modern version of Timur Leng, and their religious affinities are very much secondary (they don’t seem to be averse to smartphones, for instance, despite the proscription of images and music). Unlike Timur, though, they don’t have a monolithic army, but a dispersed and very flexible one. A direct frontal assault is not going to be productive, and any further interference by the West is simply going to multiply the problems we have already created, even, occasionally, with the best of intentions.

    That’s where I bog down, and Fisk bogs down, and anyone with a halfway open mind bogs down, leaving the field clear for simplistic globalist cretins like Blair to repeat their mistakes. It would be better (horrific as the prospect is) IMO to declare a quarantine zone around the Middle East, pull the advisors* out, embargo arms as far as possible, and let the inhabitants sort it out themselves. What would emerge would either be radioactive glass, or a set of states bearing no resemblance either to what exists now or what the West would like to exist, but would in some sense be self-motivated to succeed.

    * except Blair, who should be bound, gagged and transported from combat zone to combat zone, with his family, until dead.

  322. AFM Aaronovitch is in retreat

    Events in Iraq raise concerns among fans of the most widely respected military leader the world has known since the stricken Colonel Sanders licked his fingers for the final time and expired. Armchair Field Marshal (AFM) the Lord David Aaronovitch, the bellicose Times columnist whose recent oeuvre offers such cheery headlines as 2010’s “Iraq has moved forward, it’s time we did too” – and last year’s “Now we know why we invaded Iraq” – seems to be in retreat.

    Although hopes of a full recantation proved naive, on Friday the AFM revealed that he declined an offer to explain the war’s transcendent success on a TV show, positing that further discussion of the matter would be “self-indulgent”, and citing his “straightforward lack of expertise”. However refreshing, this denial of his own omniscience comes a little late in the day, and the least this tenacious warmonger should do is debate in public. Perhaps George Galloway would care to test the limits of David’s courage under fire with an invitation. If the AFM vacated his trusty armchair for that, I believe the self-indulgence would be forgiven.

    What an individual! Have you got blood on your hands too Mr Aa?

  323. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 12:34 pm

    …welcome to Resource Wars ™

  324. Mary,

    ” Courtenay is ‘Courtenay’. I believe ‘Courtney’ is a girl’s name! Just saying.”

    Yes – he is Courtenay.

    The Americans most often spell it “Courtney”, but I am not American and am not of that gender.

    And indeed there is only one of me – on this blog and in the living flesh.

    Just saying.



  325. Ba’al

    Yes I believe it is about power – US power, with a lot of small politicalfry swimming round the shark, cleaning its teeth and scavenging.
    Because they are swimming round the shark, and not God, they get paid what God calls a miserable pittance, for serving the aims of the enemies of Islam.

    If the CIA/Daish win in Baghdad and go onto Saudi territory which may be USUKIS’s forward plan, then the Saudis are going to get a taste of their own medicine. Right now both Jordan with CIA agent Abu Qatada, and Saudi with CIA Prince Bandar are in the frame for Arab springisation. i.e. a big dog shaking those countries like a rat and banging their heads on the ground before letting them go again.

    It particularly annoys me when Jemand tries to portray this violence as part of the nature of Islam. The Muslims have been deceived into investigating philosophy in the past, and mysticism. Now they have been diverted into politics. Politics, like philosophy and mysticism are definitely not any part of Islam. If you go down these sidings, the track loops back into the jungle.

    Muslims are told to do good deeds and set a good example. The points have been changed. They need to reverse back up the track, change the points back and get out of the political siding. If I was Kurdistan, I would not accept Kirkuk on the back of US/Daish activities. I would be siding with Maliki against CIA/Daish and kicking the troublemakers out of the country. Also I would make sure that the suited Daish who have UK passports and live in London were put back on the plane and returned to their masters in USUKIS Chavy Land.

  326. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 1:27 pm

    Loved this…

    Just because you intervened in a Sunni-Shia row that’s been raging since the 7th century, removed the one unifying force in a nation of about six different ethnic groups, made a complete hash of the occupation which radicalised thousands and pulled out leaving us the 7th most corrupt nation in the world is no reason to beat yourself up.
    Saddam and his boys were utterly monstrous, and thanks to your £1.1trillion war we now have a bunch of new and interesting monsters to deal with.
    We’d love to introduce you to them if you ever come over this way.
    Hope you like the oil, and thanks for all the fundamentalists!

    Oh, yes.

  327. Much being made on the BBC News about this development.

    Drill free dentistry.

    The state broadcaster ended the report with the advice to maintain good oral hygiene but omitted to warn about consuming sugary foods and sugary drinks which contribute to dental caries

    There is no government action on this and in spite of the promises made earlier by Tory health ministers, nothing has happened. Are they supporting the Food Manufacturers’ lobby just like the line taken on Israel and Scotland Better Together.

    Here is one of those ministers at the Food and Drink Manufacturers Assn. introduced by who else Michael Buerk. Notice it’s all ‘voluntary’ for the manufacturers and up to the individual to take their own action.

    Some fizzy drinks contains 7 or 8 teaspoons of sugar btw.

  328. Fitness4London have put two comments below that video.

    As one leading academic in this field recently said: “Putting the food industry in charge of public health is like putting Dracula in charge of the blood bank” The 5 billion calories reduction target (and 1 billion alcohol unit reduction target) which Anne Milton proudly announces are a ludicrous charade. There are no effective regulatory measures in place to ensure these targets are met. There are no effective penalties for companies which fail to meet these targets. Total smokescreen.

    No wonder Britain’s health continues to get worse and worse, when government leaves it up to the food industry to lead the way to boosting public health. Anne Milton’s job title should be re-named: Parliamentary Under Secretary for Boosting the Profits of the Junkfood and Alcohol Industries. Her responsibilities include: removing statutory regulations that require reductions in saturated fat, salt, sugar, thus boosting the profits of companies which manufacture these addictive foods.

    PS Anne Milton is now a Junior Whip.

  329. This should help the situation greatly.

    ‘UN’s humanitarian chief Valerie Amos holds Iraq briefing

    The UN Humanitarian Chief Valerie Amos is holding a news briefing about the Iraq crisis, along with those in Syria and Ukraine, South Sudan and the Central African Republic.’

    References to her in previous pieces by Craig.

    Mark Lyall Grant, referred to in the first one, was on the media yesterday doing some of his usual handwringing. I certainly would not buy a used car from him as the saying goes.

  330. TO ALL…

    I note that Boris read Craig’s blog – then – he scrolled down and saw my post and surprise! surprise! – look at what he concluded:-

    Johnson writing in The Telegraph on Sunday said that “I have come to the conclusion that Tony Blair has finally gone mad.”

    The sentence was incomplete – since he really meant to add and say: “…because not only do I now know – but Craig and Courtenay did fully convince me.”

    I guess that if B-liar did confess to the horrors that he caused in Iraq – he would be so distraught that the asylum would be the only place to contain and restrain him. He has truly gone bonkers.

  331. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 1:57 pm

    The Blair’s latest maunderings were issued on one of Blair Inc LC’s several websites, and it is unlikely the meejah would have noticed them had their attention been directed there by a Blair flunkey. However, Blair itself appears to have been in Abu Dhabi on Sunday, which accounts for the pathetically pro-Sunni-dictator, as opposed to anti-Sunni-insurgent tone of the piece.

    It’s also of passing interest that even the South China Morning Post failed to notice The Blair’s visit to China last week. Was it simply to meet Renzi? Or is he just finding new opportunities for Zurich Insurance?

  332. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 1:59 pm

    for ‘had’ read ‘unless’, above. Sorry.

  333. @

    15 Jun, 2014 – 1:47 pm
    Speaking of deluded, Anon…. one can see why.

    I’ve just listened to latest BBC TV news. Several minutes of Tony Blair (from Abu Dhabi) saying that current developments in Iraq not caused by the 2003 invasion and giving his opinions on what should now be done. ……

  334. The jury has been out for a long time??

    Jury in Rebekah Brooks trial retires to consider verdicts
    Eight-month trial over alleged phone hacking, corruption and perversion of the course of justice enters final phase

    Is betting on the outcome of a trial allowed?

  335. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 2:30 pm

  336. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 2:32 pm

    Bley: v.i. To simultaneously bluster, lie and pray (ostentatiously)
    Bleyer: N. One who bleys.

  337. …. Infrastructure destroyed, puppet government appointed, balkanisation achieved, violent chaos sustainable indefinitely with minimal further input.

    …. Threat to Israel removed.

    Iraq is not a “failed Western intervention,” Iraq is “Western mission accomplished.”

  338. Petition to sack Tony Blair as Quartet Representative

    To the backers of Quartet Representative, Tony Blair:
    United Nations Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon;
    United States Secretary of State, John Kerry;
    Foreign Minister of Russia, Sergey Lavrov; and,
    High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, Baroness Ashton.

    Tony Blair does not represent us and we request that you remove him as Quartet Representative.

    [Your signature]

  339. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 2:52 pm


    Blair’s only interest in the project is personal aggrandisement.

  340. But Fred

    The statement you pretend to be addressing:That is because I was addressing the statement you made:

    “All the main TV programmes and press outlets are so free that they do not cover important stories like RD’s fascists in Kiev attack on the Russian Embassy a day and a half ago.”

    Includes other “important stories” like the ones you did not address. Care to address them? Or are you so supportive of our beloved MSM that nothing they say or do can be wrong?

  341. Courtenay, you’re a man, my son, as Kipling said.

    Guano, very witty about the polyfilla. It got me thinking about cracks, and filling them. But the image that might conjure among the non-eminences is too lurid to think about. :)

  342. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 2:59 pm

    …. Threat to Israel removed.

    Not yet. The one potential unifying factor on all sides, except perhaps the Kurds, is detestation of Israel. A crafty factional leader could play this card successfully. And I wouldn’t bank on the Kurds.

    Note also that ‘we’ve always been at war with Eastasia’, in Orwell’s words, is in the process of changing into ‘we’ve always been at war with the noble insurgents battling to topple Assad’ – in mine.

    Whoops. That’s the evil theocracy which wants to wipe poor-little-Israel from the map, right?

    Complicated, innit?

  343. A sanity helper script for Craig Murray’s blog. 100% effective and 100% safe. Hide comments by any person(s) of your choice.

    Get Your Goat Back With Habbabreak!

  344. The idea that Saudi Arabia is a friend of ISIS is news to me. Bin Laden was stripped of his Saudi citizenship precisely because the Saudi royal family disapproved of him. I doubt that ISIS can expect much sympathy from Riyadh if the Americans decide to use drone attacks against ISIS armies in their conflict with Maliki, and Iran may well connive at the matter.

    What a mess. Paul Bremer’s prevention of ex-Baath members from government employment contributed to it IMO.

  345. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 3:27 pm

    Saudis aren’t too fussy about how their proxies remove Assad, (and neither, though their public profile is low at the moment, are the Israelis). They may not be friends of ISIS, but ISIS is well-supplied….

    Paywall. Or Google ‘saudi assad rebels’, and get the full cached version (URL of this is too long)

  346. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Jun, 2014 - 3:47 pm


    “The ‘excellences’ contribute by informing each other and maybe the readers..”


    Yes, that’s what I said : there’s about 10 people who use this blog as a sort of chatroom (probably because a real chatroom wouldn’t have them).

    As for the “maybe the readers”, well, you could argue that spoon-feeding them all this “material” (for want of a better polite word) just makes them lazy and disinclined to find out things for themselves. And that would never do, would it.


    La vita è bella, life is great!

  347. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Jun, 2014 - 3:50 pm


    “my fault, I’ve got an ear infection,”

    If that’s the only part of you that’s infected you’re doin’ good, boyo. :)

  348. ISIS is a put up job. Guano is right. This is the next phase of the Syria campaign. It’s got nothing to do with Iraq. I imagine this new stronger ISIS is made up largely of the people and weapons left behind in Jordan by those two recent US “exercises”, supplemented by Saudi and/or Qatari personnel and cash.

    They’re getting hammered in Syria but, all of a sudden, ISIS manage to take a huge swath of northern Iraq? How is that possible?

    The US will set up a “safe zone” or some such bullshit on the Iraq/Syria border once they’ve bombed the crap out of the desert and that’s how they’ll open another front. It will also help block Iranian support for Assad coming through Iraq.

    Not a peep on Auntie today about who funds ISIS or where they get their weapons from.

  349. Ba'al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!)

    16 Jun, 2014 - 4:13 pm

    If this is US policy, it will inevitably blow back on them, whether physically or diplomatically. It always does. An unstable, well-armed, guerilla-infested countryside is not a good environment for oilwells.

  350. Ba’al Zevul (Ah Shaddupa Your Face!) 16 Jun, 2014 – 4:13 pm

    If this is US policy, it will inevitably blow back on them, whether physically or diplomatically. It always does.

    For example ….?

  351. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Jun, 2014 - 4:23 pm

    “If this is US policy, it will inevitably blow back on them, whether physically or diplomatically.”

    Another lofty dictum, issued to the masses by the temporary tenant of Mt Olympus?

  352. A Node,

    ” For example.?”

    Erm….The Iraq War in 2003?

  353. @John Goss

    You made a statement which was not true.

    I knew it was not true because I had seen the incident reported on the BBC web site including video obviously taken from a BBC News bulletin.

    I pointed this out because I believe it is better if people form their opinions based on reality not fantasy.

    End of story.

  354. Don’t ‘they’ love their silly acronyms. Take TTIP for example. The TRADE AND TRANSATLANTIC, TRADE AND INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP.



    Take action. Stop it happening.

    Read all about it. John Hilary, War on Want. He is an excellent man.

    38 Degrees are seeking donations to run a big campaign. Their e-mail today says:

    ‘Dave, a 38 Degrees member from Minehead in Somerset says “it’s absolutely essential that we campaign on this”. And tens of thousands of other 38 Degrees members agree – the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) is disastrous and together we have to do all that we can to stop it going through as it is.

    TTIP is a hugely influential trade deal between the US and the EU. 38 Degrees members recently voted to prioritise stopping the part of the deal which lets businesses sue governments that introduce new laws that could damage their profits. This is already happening in other countries. Right now the Australian government is being sued by a tobacco company after introducing laws banning branding on cigarette packets.

    Sounds sinister right? It really is. And, unsurprisingly, negotiations over TTIP are shrouded in secrecy. The deal’s being thrashed out right now by politicians and corporate lobbyists behind closed doors.

    So if we’re going to beat this thing together, first thing’s first – we need to bring TTIP into the open. Let’s get TTIP out of secret negotiations, and into public conversation. We need to cause a massive public outcry to stop this trade deal from sliding under the radar.

    Let’s create hard-hitting ads and splash them all over the country. From full page spreads in newspapers, to bus stops and billboards. The 38 Degrees staff team will work with an agency to come up with a brilliant design, and we’ll make sure it’s seen everywhere.

    Together we can stop global corporations running our government and ruining our planet. Can you chip in a few pounds now to help fund a massive, people-powered ad campaign across the country?

    TTIP would put the profits of big business ahead of everything else. It would weaken the rules which protect consumers, our environment, our welfare and health services, to much weaker levels seen in the USA. And it would stop future governments from rolling back privatisation of our public services, such as the NHS, energy companies, or the Royal Mail.’

  355. I think I got carried away there with the word Trade.

    It is the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.

    Further reading:

  356. No Fred, it is you who are wrong. And it is not the end of the story. The BBC has failed, and failed miserably, to report so many goings on in Eastern Ukraine you might forgive somebody for having missed one marginalised report of an incident in Kiev. It’s a bit like The Boy Who Cried “Wolf”. The wolf, or in this case report, was not expected. So do you think it is right that the BBC, for which most of us pay licence fees, should not report the killing of innocents? That’s what I think you’re trying to say. Am I right?

  357. A Node,

    ” For example?”


  358. Jives and John Goss,

    I would say that your examples are cases of “objective achieved” rather than plans gone wrong. I have to go out now but I’ll answer in more detail later.

  359. @Mary: Great that Boris is back on side. Do you remember his campaign with Adam Price – when he was editor of New Statesman) to get Blair impeached? I seem to remember that he then got sent to Basra.

    @Mike: Plenty on the radio 5 phone in this morning… contributors almost unanimous in blaming Saudi (and the West) for funding ISIS.

    Just as a lot of people are still deluded about US as an infinitely benign empire, a lot of otherwise good people remain deluded about Blair because they are devoted to the Labour Party, and therefore hooked onto one of their former leaders emotionally. But when such people turn against him… THEN he’d better watch out!

  360. @Patrick: Good for you, but you/we need to try harder with that petition. Only 32 signatures so far. Needs a shorter link…

  361. The bees and the other pollinating insects will just love Lord de Mauley’s ‘Agri Tech Strategy’. It should finish them off for good once the GMOs are introduced and us too. Waaay! Monsanto and Cargill here we come.

    A Lancashire farmer directs attention to DEFRA’s Lord de Mauley: responsible for GM crops

    Lord de Mauley Eton of course. Don’t you just love his one liner. Why isn’t he in the DWP with IDS ffs?.
    ‘On 6 October 2013, he expressed his opinion that the poor should “learn to go without”.’,_7th_Baron_de_Mauley
    Wonder what ‘releases into the environment’ are or consist of?

  362. doug scorgie

    16 Jun, 2014 - 7:33 pm

    16 Jun, 2014 – 2:14 pm

    “The jury has been out for a long time”

    The longer a jury is out the more likely a not-guilty verdict.

  363. Is Blair being set up to take a fall.

    Mainstream media coverage of him over the past few years has been very negative, including highlighting his dosh, and the peeps increasingly encouraged to bay at him at will.

    Lately even his stoutest previous defenders are nowhere to be seen.

    And there’s still Chilcot to come.

    I doubt even the redactions will save whatever reputation he has left.

    Any withdrawal of lucrative contracts would be very indicative of his future, and anyway, having a leader from our own side appearing at The Hague would show that we’re still the good guys, right.

    Is it really true he uses that same jet all the time.

    Dear, oh dear. I think a bit of lower profile and varying of movements might be in order during this difficult time.

  364. Not necessarily, Doug:

    “Twelve Angry Men”

  365. Have to disagree there, Herbie. The BBC are still protective towards him [despite what he and Alistair Campbell did to them...]

  366. Peacewisher

    Maybe, but his outing on Marr was presented by a stern-faced Marr as Blair having serious questions to answer, and this article presents all the mainstream criticisms of him:

    There’s definitely a shift.

    Previously such warts would not have been mentioned so openly.

    If Tony Blair is to be scapegoated, then the BBC will have to find a way of making reasonable their change from hagiography to outright criticism.

    They’d typically do this by pretending that there is now new information of which they were previously unaware, and that would fit with the above presentations.

    But, we’ll see.

  367. Mary’s comments at 6.05pm on the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)are not on the main theme of Craig’s original post but raise a hugely important subject. So, Craig: grateful for your thoughts – in a separate posting – on these opaque negotiations which will have huge impacts on every part of GB and NI, whether united or separated and even whether in or out of the EU.

    As well as the excellent John Hilary paper to which Mary gave a link, I recommend:

    A)the article in Le Monde Diplomatique from December 2013 ;

    B) Contributing to the 38 Degrees publicity campaign [I've done so];

    C) Writing to MPs (constituency or on relevant select committees/ APPGs) urging them to ask PQs about the unacceptable secrecy of these negotiations [I am just about to do so].

  368. The Medialens Editors have just produced this piece.

    Blair: Bombing Iraq Better. Again

  369. @Herbie: Do you really think so?

    Do you remember all those previous occasions when Blair was lambasted a little in the media, and then exonerated just as things were getting interesting. I am surprised that Boris was so outspoken this morning, but he’s losing popularity because of the water cannon… this could just be his attempt to shore up his position (and speak his mind!).

    PS I hope you’re right!

  370. @Mary. It’s worse than that… bombing Iraq AND Syria better. Perhaps he needs another visit to warmongers anonymous.

  371. Mary

    I do wish you’d get your own blog. The subject is Iraq and ISIS, about which you have relatively little to say. So you fill in with Palestinian children, GM crops, drill free dentistry, Rebekah Brooks, and the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership. Not forgetting a “melancholy song sung by Judith Durham”.

    You do know you can get a free blog at And they’ll even design it for you. All you need to do is put in text. Which with copy and paste can be done in the blink of an eye.

    And since you’re so keen to keep Craig ‘informed’, you could post a link to your blog occasionally here. Or email him.



    “Iraq blowback: Isis rise manufactured by insatiable oil addiction”

    West’s co-optation of Gulf states’ jihadists created the neocon’s best friend: an Islamist Frankenstein

    Nafeez Ahmed in the Guardian


    and did someone mention ISIS wearing balaclavas?

    The other odd thing is that they’re driving almost identical pick-up trucks, even down to colour-coordination.

    As seen here

    and in various videos.

    Col Morris Davis seems to think they’re all Fords

    So did they steal them or were they provided for them?

  372. Peacewisher. I have no time at all for Johnson. He is a Tory of the worst type. Have you ever seen him in action at County Hall? He just walks over everyone including the chair.

    The Medialens editors sum him up:

    Ah, this time it really will be a ‘liberation’, whereas last time, as even London mayor Boris Johnson notes:

    ‘It looks to me as though the Americans were motivated by a general strategic desire to control one of the biggest oil exporters in the world…’

    Johnson, who voted for the war and describes it as merely a ‘tragic mistake’, is concerned not with the criminality and bloodshed but the ability to sell wars in future:

    ‘Blair is now undermining the very cause he advocates – the possibility of serious and effective intervention.’

  373. I see we have a new ”Resident Inviligator’. I will continue to post, Craig and the moderators permitting, thanks. Hope my punctuation is satisfactory now. I have a long memory!

  374. I dont trust BoJo at all.

    Beneath a veneer of blundering buffoonery lurks a deeply political operator and right wing idealogue.

    Everything he does is calculated despite the foppish charade.

  375. You love to sound ‘courageous’, Mary.

    What a pity you didn’t have the courage to give Resident Dissident a full answer when he/she asked if you post at the Medialens message board. The answer you gave Macky at Squonk, when he/she asked if you’d really been “hounded off” that board.

    I have an excellent memory too.

  376. 383 reasons why Blair has been protected… the Labour and Conservative MPs who voted for war with Iraq, who would also be war criminals. Yes, Mary, you’re right, I’m wrong, Boris was one of them. So was that nice trades unionist chappie Alan Johnson.

  377. I do not post on the Medialens Message Board. Would a sworn affidavit do not that it’s any of yout f’ing business what I do and where.

  378. Dreoilin

    Who knows much about Iraq? The takeover of Mosul appears to have been done with collusion between Washington and Tehran. As with all events in the last 20 years the devious machinations of the Zionists take a long time to be understood by non-devious minds.
    Thanks for the link to Nafees Ahmad. Very well informed, but no clues as to why it’s in Maliki’s interests to give in to Washington’s revision of the boundaries plans.

    What does Iran get out of this deal?

  379. Terror alerts, 9/11-style bombings and murders of British citizens will soon come to London’s streets, according to chilling threats from UK citizens fighting alongside Islam’s most violent terrorist group operating in Syria and Iraq.

    The threat comes from British nationals fighting for the Sunni militant group calling themselves the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL/ISIS) in Syria. According to the Sunday Times, they promise that after they’re done there, Britain is next. The message comes from three such fighters, all youngsters in their teens and twenties.

  380. The $750m US embassy in Baghdad. Plans are being made to evacuate it.

    Note the initials KBR on the suggestion box. Kellogg Brown Root, once a subsidiary of Halliburton, are the contractors who took a fortune off the US taxpayers in Iraq.

  381. Interesting article, Mark, and even more interesting comments. The decision to embroil the UK in Middle Eastern power politics (which started with “arms for Iraq”), looks stupider and stupider. What will the history books have to say about Thatcher and Blair, I wonder…

  382. “Would a sworn affidavit do, not that it’s any of yout f’ing business what I do and where.”

    You write something on a blog, Mary, it’s accessible to everyone on the internet (unless the blog has been made private.) It stops being your business and becomes everyone’s. Sorry to tell you.

    I found it very interesting that you were pushed off Medialens for talking about Jews (one assumes repeatedly) since there are more than a couple of people here who find your concentration on Jewish people OTT.

    But I’ll let people read it for themselves.



    “but no clues as to why it’s in Maliki’s interests to give in to Washington’s revision of the boundaries plans.”

    Who said it was? I didn’t see Nafeez Ahmed saying that. I’m sure Maliki is depending on Iran to prop him up.

    I find it funny that Iran having offered to help the USA in stopping ISIS, the USA has already stated that such talks will be on the ‘periphery’ of nuclear talks. They need Iran, but want to hive off any such help from nuclear negotiations.

    The Yanks don’t do irony.

  383. Boris is certainly elitist. He’s managed quite well at making comedy of it, but it’s there. He just can’t bear oiks.

    Remember that Blair is disliked not only for Iraq, but for NI too. There’s many a score yet to settle on that nasty business.

    Boris, when he edited The Spectator, was majorly critising Blair’s settlement. Many others from the right too. Old Tories, not the new Right. And he was involved in pushing some spookie characters to that purpose. So, there’s history.

    Anyone remember Darius Guppy. Stress on the “i”.

    They’re so up’emselves.

    Blair has managed to annoy left, right and centre. He’s about the only one who can unite the UK, across the board. They should wheel him out for the Better Together campaign.

    I’m sure that much media coverage of late has not been to his liking, and there’s Chilcot to come. He’s just too much in the news for all the wrong reasons. And then there’s all that stuff about his houses and him swanning about the world’s largest yachts and all the rest of it. Even Wendi Deng has the hots for him. In earlier years there was the FI/Tobacco scandal, his first, then the Berlusconi stuff, and his love for rich friends and their holiday homes, when he was still relatively poor. Then there was all that stuff about Carole Caplin and her ex-boyfriend and weird birthing gloopiness and questioned property deals.

    He’s not being presented as an elder statesman for sure.

    But yeah certainly. It could all be wishful thinking.

  384. ‘Lately even his stoutest previous defenders are nowhere to be seen.’

    FYI Herbie, Armchair General Aaronovitch surfaced on Newsnight earlier this evening as an ‘expert witness’ in Blair’s defence’.

  385. An interesting interview; “It is cheaper to buy a congressman instead of a tank, the congressman will supply the tank with the US soldiers to fight the war they are ordered to”

    The crushing of Lee Kaplan – a uniquely pathetic Hasbara mouthpiece.

    What a tangled web;

    Saddam Hussein’s Generals Fighting with Jihadist ISIS Insurgency

    Fact that Izzat insulted the Saudis; “cursed, the moustaches of the lot of them” (highest insult to to a man among Arabs) as he did in his last appearance in the Arab League meeting before the fall of Iraq.

    However the Saudis are still bank rolling him along with the ISIS/L in a last ditch attempt to push their preferred method of reactionary governance.

    Billy fourteen pints keeping up with the events is droning on about Iranian Nukes no one faxed him the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) annual nuclear forces data,

  386. ‘I intend to join those tomorrow night who will vote against military action now. It is for that reason, and for that reason alone, and with a heavy heart, that I resign from the Government.’ RIP Robin Cook

    He knew his life was in danger.. He told me so.

  387. Well. OK. As an onlooker I do think that there’s an over-arching,as they say, narrative here, and it’s one in which Iraq stands alongside dentists, and the TPP, and GM. It’s the rule of corporate nonsense against sense; the rule of insanity against sanity. Of course bombing Iraq, again, makes no sense. The Guardian readership have shot that attempt down in flames already. Of course GM, and the arguments for it, in a world of waste, makes no sense. Of course the TPP is a destructive, rigged, anti-human stitch-up – by all the accounts which have managed to get out.

    If this blog is more than the thoughts of one person – which one assumes it is – then there’s surely space, as a current affairs commentary, for those reminders. They all seem quite urgent to me, anyway. And while the ridiculousness and horror of another attack on Iraq is getting quite a lot of coverage, the latest ruling on GM, and the TPP, are not.

    It may well be that off topic posts are diluting the main message – and possibly preventing action. Are they?

    Anyway, I do understand where the other posts are coming from, and I have noticed an increasing lack of focus (can you have an increasing lack of focus?) on Jewish connections, about which I am quite happy (understatement).

    But I also think the questions asked about ISIS – who the hell are they? why are they all dressed the same? where is their equipment and funding coming from? – are the most interesting and intelligent I’ve seen asked about the whole affair.


  388. Richard Alan Jones still has the final word for me, though:

    So let me get this right. We support the Iraq government in the fight against ISIS. We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported by Saudi Arabia who we do like. We don’t like Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but ISIS is also fighting against him. We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS. So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win. If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less, and all this was started by us invading a country to drive out terrorists who were not actually there until we went in to drive them out. I think I’ve got it.

  389. “(Reuters) – President Barack Obama told Congress on Monday the United States was deploying up to 275 military personnel to provide support and security for U.S. personnel and the country’s embassy in Baghdad after militants seized control of the north of the country.

    “This force is deploying for the purpose of protecting U.S. citizens and property, if necessary, and is equipped for combat,” Obama said in a letter to lawmakers. “This force will remain in Iraq until the security situation becomes such that it is no longer needed.”

    “The president said he was notifying Congress under the War Powers Resolution.”

    Only 275? John McCain will have a heart attack.

  390. Yes, Richard Alan Jones deserves the “comment of the month” award.

  391. Technicolour,

    “It’s the rule of corporate nonsense against sense; the rule of insanity against sanity.”

    Thats as succinct and accurate an assessment of this last woeful decade or so that ive read anywhere.


  392. Thanks, OldMark.

    That’ll be fun to watch.

    My own view is that fatty acts the buffoon.

    It’s just a gig.

    He’s a comedian, of Shakespearian proportions.

    Watch him and Andrew Neil with Alex Jones or watch him with George Galloway. It’s a performance.

    I simply can’t see that Blair has had a good press of late, and not for quite some time. Remember that he’s negatively presented with regard to the Gadaffi “rehabilitation” too.

    You just have to assess it from a marketing perspective. That’s what it’s all about, afterall.

    When some Labour bod said recently that “Tony is toxic”, he meant that his brand is toxic.

    That’s it!

    Media is down on him. For all his good works and Catholic conversion and private meetings with the Pope, the media is presenting him in a negative light.


    Oh yeah, and who is advising him on media strategy.

    Not very good, are they.

    The marketing of the Blairs was based very much on the Clintons, a clever husband and wife team that you suspected ran the country together, from their bedroom, passion and refection in equal measure, all real feeling human beings.

    That’s how it began…

  393. @Technicolor: LOL! To be delivered with a “John Fortune” voice…


    17 Jun, 2014 - 2:32 am

    The fog of war sometimes lifts a little so some sunshine gets through.

    ” Not only has Poland been complicit in training urban terrorists in the run-up to the EuroMaidan chaos, but it has also sent loads of mercenaries to forcibly put down the anti-coup protesters rising up against the junta. Now, photographic proof linking Poland to the Ukrainian madness has arisen. “

  395. “In order for this Neo-conservative (mostly Jewish) strategy – to turn Israel into a world power not dependent on fickle of the US for its survival – to work, it is obvious that Iran has to be substantially weakened. Enter the latest Israeli noises that sound like an ultimatum to the US and the world to denuclearize Iran or else,” wrote Thomas Mysiewicz on October 2, 2005.

    Now many Americans are waking up to the reality that like September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks the war on Afghanistan and Iraq was part of western powers agenda to destroy regional regimes which are considered threat to Israel.

  396. A bit late but to go back to Craig’s original posting:

    “The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation.”

    Craig is usually a more clear sighted and even handed than this. Just because we loathe Blair and Bush for what they did and the reasons they did it, doesn’t mean we need to automatically ignore the sins of anybody on the opposite side. Beheadings, summary executions of prisoners, suicide bombings specifically aimed at civilian targets, religious law used to further their own business or political aims, utter disregard for the well-being of civilians (particularly women) in areas under their control. The murderous and, it must be said, savage tendencies of many of the home-grown players in the various middle-east conflicts must also be blamed for denying the people who live in these regions any kind of peace or stability in which they may build a better life for themselves.

  397. A rummage through the memory hole, for some more half-forgotten background on Iraq.

    I knew about Rumsfeld delivering maps and satellite imagery to Saddam for him to target Iranian forces inside Iran with chemical/biological weapons, largely from Britnat George Galloway’s theatrics before some farcical US ‘inquiry’. It seems that Saddam had mustard gas and nerve agent capabilities as early as 1984, and used them freely. How he obtained these capabilities, for artillery shell and air-launched delivery is still unclear. (from 2002)

    Just 12 days after the meeting, on January 1, 1984, The Washington Post reported that the United States in a shift in policy, has informed friendly Persian Gulf nations that the defeat of Iraq in the 3-year-old war with Iran would be contrary to U.S. interests and has made several moves to prevent that result.

    In March of 1984, with the Iran-Iraq war growing more brutal by the day, Rumsfeld was back in Baghdad for meetings with then-Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz. On the day of his visit, March 24th, UPI reported from the United Nations: Mustard gas laced with a nerve agent has been used on Iranian soldiers in the 43-month Persian Gulf War between Iran and Iraq, a team of U.N. experts has concluded… Meanwhile, in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad, U.S. presidential envoy Donald Rumsfeld held talks with Foreign Minister Tarek Aziz (sic) on the Gulf war before leaving for an unspecified destination.

    The day before, the Iranian news agency alleged that Iraq launched another chemical weapons assault on the southern battlefront, injuring 600 Iranian soldiers. Chemical weapons in the form of aerial bombs have been used in the areas inspected in Iran by the specialists, the U.N. report said. The types of chemical agents used were bis-(2-chlorethyl)-sulfide, also known as mustard gas, and ethyl N, N-dimethylphosphoroamidocyanidate, a nerve agent known as Tabun.

    Prior to the release of the UN report, the US State Department on March 5th had issued a statement saying available evidence indicates that Iraq has used lethal chemical weapons.

    Even more astonishing is that Kuwait moved their border during the Iran-Iraq war (Iran were the home team, Iraq was playing away), not just shifting the border fence a few feet during the night, by annexed 900 square kilometres, growing Kuwait northwards into Iraq, and it was only by this means they could slant drill into the Rumalia oilfield. And amongst Saddam’s major creditors after the Iran-Iraq war were Saudi Arabia and …Kuwait, $80 billon, with interest and they were pressing for payment. Who knew that Kuwait invaded Iraq first, and how did they do it -practically and diplomatically; where were the UN? Without a murmur from the west. Even with what we know now it’s still an astonishing fact. (from 2003, link found on medialens board)

    In the United States of America, it is almost beyond the bounds of acceptable discourse to address the question, why did Saddam Hussein invade Kuwait in 1990? Even to ask the question, one risks the appearance of supporting a repressive dictatorship, and to the extent that the question is entertained at all, the simplistic answer proffered by political leaders is that Saddam Hussein is an aggressive tyrant, bent on territorial acquisition and the subjugation of other nations. He is a modern day Hitler. The same answer is utilized to explain why Iraq invaded Iran in 1980. [...]

    The war with Iran left Iraq in ruins. When Saddam Hussein launched his eight year war against Iran, Iraq had $40 billion in hard currency reserves. But by the end of the war, his nation was $80 billion in debt. Iraq was pressed to repay the $80 billion to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, with interest. While Iraq was distracted by its war, Kuwait had accumulated 900 square miles of Iraqi territory by advancing its border with Iraq northward. This was presented to Iraq as a fait accompli and it gave Kuwait access to the Rumaila oil field. The Kuwaiti Sheik had purchased the Santa Fe Drilling Corporation of Alhambra, California, for $2.3 billion and proceeded to use its slant drilling equipment to gain access to the Iraqi oil field.

  398. Herbie (17 Jun, 2014 – 12:47 am) scribbled:

    The marketing of the Blairs was based very much on the Clintons, a clever husband and wife team that you suspected ran the country together, from their bedroom, passion and refection in equal measure, all real feeling human beings.

    That’s how it began…

    The Margaret Cook article concerning Robin Cook, linked up thread, shows that Cherie Blair was most active in strong-arming and coercing Labour MPs resistant to letting party whips do their thinking for them, probably on anything generally, but on Iraq in particular, such recalcitrants were subject to a smarm offensive by T. Blair’s Learned Consort (no, not Falconer or Irvine, Cherie).

  399. Presumably the report that the US embassy was to be evacuated was incorrect.

    US deploys Iraq ‘military personnel’ Up to 275 US “military personnel” are to be sent to Iraq to provide support for the US embassy in Baghdad, the White House says.

    Wow and no boots on the ground! Three US Navy ships have assembled in the Gulf and those are the three we are told about.

    Last December the US supplied drones and Hellfire missiles supposedly ‘to Maliki’. The whole business gets murkier by the day.

    ‘Washington (CNN) — Two years after bringing home U.S. troops from Iraq, the Obama administration is sending Hellfire rockets and ScanEagle surveillance drones to help government forces fight al Qaeda affiliates growing in influence, a State Department official confirmed to CNN on Thursday.

    As first reported by The New York Times, a shipment of 75 Hellfire rockets bought by Iraq arrived last week. Plans call for 10 ScanEagle drones to be sent in the early months of 2014.

    “The recent delivery of Hellfire missiles and an upcoming delivery of ScanEagles are standard FMS (foreign military sales) cases that we have with Iraq to strengthen their capabilities to combat this threat,” the State Department official said on condition of not being identified. “We remain committed to supporting the government of Iraq in meeting its defense needs in the face of these challenges.”‘

    You can guess that there has been a good number of American operatives/contractors remained there since America ‘withdrew’ in 2012.

  400. Meanwhile the terror continues for the Palestinian people. Note the presence of the German Shepherd in the photo of the IDF. Muslim people do not like dogs as a general rule and are actually afraid of them. The woofer is there to create a little extra terrrrr. In another video I saw last night, the IDF had placed charges on a door which, when they exploded, injured the family inside the house including a three year old child. What charmers the Occupiers are.

    Palestinian Speaker Held Over Missing Israelis
    Aziz Dweik, a Hamas member of the Palestinian parliament, is among 40 detained overnight over an alleged kidnapping.

    I have said before that our riot police let their dogs menace the crowd of protesters outside the Israeli Embassy in London in 2009 following Cast Lead. In the crowd were many young Muslims. Many were arrested, charged and sentenced, some to jail. They were actually ‘kettled’ and provoked. I saw it happen as I was there too. I saw dozens of police vans which were parked up in the side streets, suddenly unload their occupants all at once. It was very frightening. Police helicopters were flying overhead. That was in the time of Brown and Jacqui ‘Jackboots’ Smith, Home Secretary.

    She is often on Sky News reviewing the papers, sometimes in the company of Ian Blair, ex Met CC. They chuckle away with one another, very pleased with themselves and life.

    I see that in spite of her expenses scandal (she never had to repay any money incidentally), she landed a top post at Birmingham’s QEII Hospital. Her type always find niches.

    ‘She is to take over as Chair of University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust in December 2013. [62]‘ Incredible.

    That’s the hospital that treated Malala (used for anti-Taliban propaganda) and where the injured troops were sent back from Afghanistan to a special high tech military unit within the hospital itself.

    Read the comments under the Birminggam Post article link 62. People are disgusted by her.

  401. Another report from Sky plus a video on the IDF activity in Hebron and the ‘West Bank’ as the remnant of Palestine is referred to. The BBC do NOT provide this on the spot reporting which comes across as pretty fair minded.

    Israeli Arrests Risk Sparking Fresh Violence
    Sky’s Tom Rayner says Israel sees a political opportunity as it detains Hamas officials over the disappearance of three teens.

  402. BrianFujisan

    17 Jun, 2014 - 7:20 am

    David @ 4;03 Am

    “Just because we loathe Blair and Bush for what they did and the reasons they did it, doesn’t mean we need to automatically ignore the sins of anybody on the opposite side. Beheadings, summary executions of prisoners, suicide bombings specifically aimed at civilian targets,”

    It’s Important to remember it was Bush, Bliar that caused most of these horrors… and not forgetting the vast terrorist crimes of Shock and Awe…What a Phrase that is.

    And Also Not to Forget the use of illegal weapons ( DU ) and god knows what else in attempted genocide of some areas Fallujah for examlpe

    “The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation.”

    AND 100% Lies -

    Fresh evidence has been revealed about how MI6 and the CIA were told through secret channels by Saddam Hussein’s foreign minister and his head of intelligence that Iraq had no active weapons of mass destruction.

    Tony Blair told parliament before the war that intelligence showed Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programme was “active”, “growing” and “up and running”.

    A special BBC Panorama programme aired on Monday night details how British and US intelligence agencies were informed by top sources months before the invasion that Iraq had no active WMD programme, and that the information was not passed to subsequent inquiries.

    It describes how Naji Sabri, Saddam’s foreign minister, told the CIA’s station chief in Paris at the time, Bill Murray, through an intermediary that Iraq had “virtually nothing” in terms of WMD.

    Sabri said in a statement that the Panorama story was “totally fabricated”.

    However, Panorama confirms that three months before the war an MI6 officer met Iraq’s head of intelligence, Tahir Habbush al-Tikriti, who also said that Saddam had no active WMD. The meeting in the Jordanian capital, Amman, took place days before the British government published its now widely discredited Iraqi weapons dossier in September 2002

    Then We have bastards like these -

    ” I just don’t get it. Today when we should be hearing from Juan Cole and John Mearsheimer, leading intellectuals who were right about the Iraq war to begin with, the New York Times has chosen to run a fawning profile of neoconservative Robert Kagan. Some of this reads like the Onion:

    And who better to lead a cast of assorted hawks back into intellectual — and they hope eventually political — influence than the congenial and well-respected scion of one of America’s first families of interventionism?

    His father, Donald Kagan, a historian of ancient Greece, is a patriarch of neoconservatism. His brother, Fred… etc

    Jason Horowitz’s profile uses as its peg a “a much-discussed essay” by Kagan in The New Republic called “Superpowers don’t get to retire.” Yes; neither do neoconservatives. Horowitz allows Kagan to both evade the neoconservative label (he prefers “liberal interventionist,” of course) and predict that Hillary Clinton would have a “neocon” foreign policy. Probably right about that.

    The piece justifies itself on gossipy grounds because Kagan is part of a power couple (Victoria Nuland at the State Department). But the real power couple here is Kagan and Bill Kristol, leaders of the de-funct/bunked Project for a New American Century, which pushed a muscular foreign policy all over, including the catastrophic invasion of Iraq.

    Horowitz informs us that they have now been vindicated:

    Mr. Kristol said he, too, sensed “more willingness to rethink” neoconservatism, which he called “vindicated to some degree” by the fruits of Mr. Obama’s detached approach to Syria and Eastern Europe.

    Horowitz fails to reflect any criticism of Kagan from the powerful coalition that neoconservatives fostered in opposition to its adventures: leftwingers and realists. Andrew Bacevich embodies this combination, and last week published an inspired attack on Kagan at Commonweal, saying that his essay is based on a “fictive past.”

    Bacevich summarizes Kagan:

    “If a breakdown in the world order that America made is occurring,” Kagan writes, “it is not because America’s power is declining.” The United States has power to spare, asserts the author of The World America Made. No, what we have here is “an intellectual problem, a question of identity and purpose.” Feckless, silly Americans, with weak-willed Barack Obama their enabler, are abdicating their obligation to lead the planet. The abyss beckons.

    Writing in the New York Times, columnist David Brooks hails Kagan’s New Republic essay as “brilliant.” A more accurate appraisal would be slickly mendacious. Still, Kagan’s essay also qualifies as instructive: Here in some 12,700 carefully polished words the impoverished state of foreign-policy discourse is laid bare. If the problem hobbling U. S. policy is an intellectual one, then Kagan himself, purveyor of a fictive past, exhibits that problem in spades….

    Bacevich points out that the great world order that Kagan adores was actually three spheres of self-interested powers. And– notice the reliance on leftwing thinking– the U.S. sphere was hardly enlightened:

    much like the Soviets in Eastern Europe, Washington asserted the prerogative of policing its own sphere of influence. When it did so—overthrowing regimes not to its liking in Guatemala, Iran, and South Vietnam, for example—the “promotion of a liberal world order” did not rank high in the list of American motives.

    So too with the roster of despots, dictators, and kleptocrats that the United States assiduously supported. From Batista and Somoza in the 1950s to Musharraf and Mubarak in the past decade, a regime’s adherence to liberal values seldom determined whether or not it was deemed a worthy American ally.

    Such matters do not qualify for inclusion in Kagan’s celebration of American global leadership, however. Guatemala he simply ignores…

    Notice Bacevich’s focus on ethnic cleansing in Palestine and on genocides in the American sphere of influence. Again, left-realism:

    Other disruptions to a “world order” ostensibly founded on the principle of American “global responsibility” included the 1947 partition of India (estimated 500,000 to one million dead); the 1948 displacement of Palestinians (700,000 refugees); the exodus of Vietnamese from north to south in 1954 (between 600,000 and one million fled); the flight of the pied noir from Algeria (800,000 exiled); the deaths resulting directly from Mao Tse Tung’s quest for utopia (between 2 million and 5 million); the mass murder of Indonesians during the anti-Communist purges of the mid-1960s (500,000 slaughtered); the partition of Pakistan in 1971 (up to 3 million killed; millions more displaced); genocide in Cambodia (1.7 million dead); and war between Iran and Iraq (at least more 400,00 killed). Did I mention civil wars in Nigeria, Uganda, Burundi, Ethiopia, Mozambique, Sudan, Congo, Liberia, and Sierra Leone that killed millions? The list goes on.

    Kagan mentions none of those episodes. Yet all occurred during the Cold War, when the United States was, in his words, “vigilant and ready to act, with force, anywhere in the world.”

    More from these Lunatics… Kagan n Co @

  403. BrianFujisan

    17 Jun, 2014 - 7:34 am

    Shit, i think i got that Guardian link Broken..try again

  404. BrianFujisan,

    I’m not disputing all that. I’m just saying it’s not the whole story and it certainly doesn’t make the Islamist lunatics into good guys.

  405. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 7:50 am

    From Technicolour

    “and I have noticed an increasing lack of focus (can you have an increasing lack of focus?) on Jewish connections, about which I am quite happy (understatement).”

    Yes indeed, and if you weren’t such a grudging so-and-so you could have paid tribute to my substantial contribution to bringing this about.

    Fair’s fair, eh! :)

  406. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 7:58 am

    From faraway Californiyeah:

    ” Not only has Poland been complicit in training urban terrorists in the run-up to the EuroMaidan chaos, but it has also sent loads of mercenaries to forcibly put down the anti-coup protesters rising up against the junta. Now, photographic proof linking Poland to the Ukrainian madness has arisen. “

    The search for new “devils” is obviously on, now that the old “neo-Nazis in Kiev” lie has run out of puff following the poor showing of the neo-Nazis in the recent Presidential election.

    The real fascists and their supporters on here (no names, no pack drill, eh, Ben!) are SUCH bad “losers”…..:)


    and now buzz off, you’re stoned again.

  407. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 8:15 am

    “The fog of war sometimes lifts a little so some sunshine gets through.

    As regular readers know, I always take links extremely seriously – that is, in the sense of looking into them as best as I can to get some sense of their likely credibility.

    I recommend readers to check out “Voltaire Net” for themselves, and I wish them better luck than I had in finding out very much about it (organisational structure, editorial policy, who are the people “in charge” and what is their precise role, how are they financed, even where it is based).

    It seems to be even more opaque on the above respects than our old friend “Global Research” (and much, much more opaque than Counterpunch).

    Like with “Global Research”, one of the few things we are allowed to know is who founded and runs it. This is someone called Thierry Meyssan, a middle-aged Frenchman. I invite readers to read his biography on Wikipedia, where they will learn – inter alia – that he is the author of “The Big Lie”, one of the better-known 9/11 conspiracy theories. He also believes that the Beslan massacre was a put-up job by the CIA.

    Not surprising that someone who claims that 9/11 was a conspiracy should also believe that Ukraine is also overrun by Little Green Men, aka “Polish mercenaries”.


    La vita è bella, life is crazy!

  408. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 8:24 am

    Actually, the Poles have always had a bad press in Russia.

    In the last century, they were portrayed as capitalist bloodsuckers at the time of the Polish-Russian War (1920) and during the Great Terror on the 1930s it was quite the thing to add “spying for Polish intelligence” to the charge sheets of sundry victims.

    And I did notice that the anti-Polish article on “Voltairenet” to which California Ben linked was written by…..a Russian :)

  409. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 8:25 am

    A Moscow-based Russian, to boot.

  410. @Tony. Only now are we appreciating the extent to which we have been lied to since our government, with the US government decided that Saddam was the enemy. Robin Cook was better informed than us and would have been aware of the hypocrisy. I knew that Kuwait was using angular drilling through various media sources, but didn’t know that they had extended their borders to make this possible.

    I used to, very naively, assume that the sequence of events presented by our media must be correct, otherwise the other side would refute that story also via our media. Quite shocking for me to have to accept that our media are controlled.

  411. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 9:00 am

    Is Blair being set up to take a fall.

    It’s hard to see how anyone could destroy his credibility as efficiently as he does himself. I don’t think anyone needs to set him up: the evidence, barring the details of his convoluted finances, is abundant.

    Mainstream media coverage of him over the past few years has been very negative, including highlighting his dosh, and the peeps increasingly encouraged to bay at him at will.

    Not enhanced by the Wendi Deng business, eh? I think Murdoch has an interest in taking him down a peg, and the other Tory outlets really don’t want Blair attracting the Tory undecideds back to Labour, as he did in ’98. Also, he’s an oik of the first water, and the Eton crowd would like to flush his head down the toilet. Not much original research has been done on his dosh since 2011. That is because the setup was designed to be hard to examine without a warrant. Anything published since is recycled material.

    Lately even his stoutest previous defenders are nowhere to be seen.

    He never attracted loyal friends. Too manipulative. Nice to see Straw reneging and redacting, btw.

    …Any withdrawal of lucrative contracts would be very indicative of his future, and anyway, having a leader from our own side appearing at The Hague would show that we’re still the good guys, right.

    I imagine his utility to JP Morgan, Zurich, BP, etc, is waning naturally as time passes. Hero or villain, he’ll have no trouble securing speaking engagements, and don’t mistake increased nervousness about his location being known in advance for withdrawal of contracts.

    Is it really true he uses that same jet all the time.

    The Bombardier Global Express 7000, registration G-CEYL, owned by Aravco (which no longer exists, having merged with another charter outfit owned by the same people) – does seem to be in pretty constant use, and very often its movements coincide with Blair’s. It may be reserved for his exclusive use; I think his inner plutocrat would insist on extensive adaptation of the interior to suit the needs of himself and his entourage, and this would be difficult to change at short notice for other customers. Fragmentary information suggests that earlier this month it flew to Cork in order to drop Cherie off before doing a swift about-turn and heading to China, for a meeting which, if the Italian press hadn’t got hold of it would have been secret. He uses it as a taxi.

    Peripherally, G-CEYL seems to have been previously owned by International Clothing Design, prop. Richard Caring, a friend of ‘Lord’ Levy and former Labour mega-donor – switched to the Tories in 2009. Possibly some arrangement was made.

    Dear, oh dear. I think a bit of lower profile and varying of movements might be in order during this difficult time.

    That would conflict with his desire to be famous. However, his security does seem to have improved over the last few months. Actually, he would be justified in becoming totally paranoid; they really are out to get him. Good.


  412. They are such shallow and hollow, the pocket politicians. You could not have any more feeble types running our country.

    ‘David is that you? William Jefferson Hague here. John Kerry says that we have to re-establish good relations with Iran so I am opening up our Embassy there pronto’.

    UK is set to re-open Iran embassy
    Iranian president Hassan Rouhani
    Foreign Secretary William Hague is set to announce the UK will re-open its embassy in Iran’s capital, Tehran.


    Ba’al I could not get on to the blog. Your previous post has appeared three times over 8 minutes up to 9am?!

  413. Sofia (Habba's Demon Daughter)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 10:21 am

    Ba’al… Ba’al… Ba’al.

    Good points you make there, there and there.

    With any luck, as it becomes increasingly unacceptable to defend the murderous actions of Bliar it becomes evermore imaginable that we’ll see him dragged to the Hague.

    One can but hope.

  414. Open memo to war criminal Tony Blair
    Alan Hart
    June 16, 2014 4

    TB. I think those who described you as a “Bush puppet” and an “American stooge” were wrong. You are a neo-con. And it’s my guess that you colluded with America’s neo-cons to push President Bush to war. Could that be why you and your American neo-con associates don’t want the Chilcot Inquiry to publish the transcripts of your conversations with Bush?

    A collage of the faces

  415. PS I am not responding to Dreoilin/Nuid’s distortions on the previous page. She has form ref myself and I don’t want to see a return to the previous breakdown of the blog.

  416. Kurdish President Mas’oud Barzani spoke on Radio 4 this morning. He spoke beautiful English, I thought. The gist of it was that though Kurdistan was against terrorism of all sorts, if a little benefit had come from the activities of terrorists to Kurdistan, well why not accept that gain?

    KIA is a popular model of car in Kurdistan, and so is the CIA. All you need to drive a CIA is to keep the double drivel drooling.

  417. Na'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 10:31 am

    For ‘Cork’, above, maybe read ‘Knock’, as Tony was spotted in Sligo that day – Knock is the nearest with a long enough runway, and misreporting of a radio exchange may be responsible for an error here.

  418. Na'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 10:32 am

    Mods – please retain the last version of the above triplicate. Site was apparently not accepting input at the time – delete the first two tries, and apologies.

  419. Rehmat, Rehmat, you’re doing it again. You used your swivel-eye anti-Israeli spectacles again. You have exceeded the limits of craziness before. But at least you have solved Technicolour’s problem on 17 Jun, 2014 – 12:38 am.

  420. Ban’al

    Sorry, couldn’t resist a cheap jibe. I really think the main objection to Blair is moral/spiritual/intellectual. He normalised the practise of blatant lying by a sitting Prime Minister. Mrs Thatcher got away with it because she was a woman and we are programmed to respect women. Us men I mean.

    Now lying is seen as a virtue, like poetry. The more bi-focal, bi-tongued and just bi-everything, the more artistic licence is called upon. Speakers of and seekers after truth do not have the talent or mental capacity to hold two versions of the truth at the same time. I never actually slept with any of the guys I’ve been bonking all this time.

    Why don’t you go to China and make useful items if you can’t keep up with the modern way of doing things? I’m going.

  421. FACT OF THE DAY ….. delivered with very little evidence but a strong degree of likelihood:

    The majority of so-called ‘suicide bombs’ are no such thing. They are false-flag bombs planted by people who live on to repeat the act another day.

  422. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 11:28 am


    That was cruel. And I have no need to be rude to ‘Guano’; which says it all… :-P

    But let me assure you that Rehmat’s been doing this sort of thing for years, all over t’interweb. He’s not listening. Hopeless, and probably a jihadi.

    My objection to Blair is that he makes my skin crawl. Simples.

  423. DavidH
    17 Jun, 2014 – 4:03 am

    Craig’s original posting:

    “The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation.”


    “…doesn’t mean we need to automatically ignore the sins of anybody on the opposite side. Beheadings, summary executions of prisoners, suicide bombings specifically aimed at civilian targets, religious law used to further their own business or political aims, utter disregard for the well-being of civilians (particularly women…”

    You cannot cover-up the West’s complicity, in unleashing the horrendous crimes now being committed by all sides, through distraction.

    “Beheadings, summary executions of prisoners, suicide bombings specifically aimed at civilian targets…”

    That’s what the Sunni forces are doing, on behalf of the West, in Syria. They are being funded and armed by the US and Saudi Arabia (a close ally of the UK).

    Have you ever heard of cause and effect?

    Craig’s statement: “The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation” holds true.

    You must take the blinkers off and stop trying to blinker others with bullshit.

    PS. Civilians, including women and children, are being blown to pieces almost daily e.g. at wedding parties and funerals in attacks by US drones in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

  424. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 11:47 am

    Kurdish President Mas’oud Barzani spoke on Radio 4 this morning. He spoke beautiful English, I thought. The gist of it was that though Kurdistan was against terrorism of all sorts, if a little benefit had come from the activities of terrorists to Kurdistan, well why not accept that gain?

    Indeed. Though it wasn’t the terrorism of the PKK in Turkey that did the trick. It was the terrorism of Barzani’s KDP and the US/Israel-sponsored and advised Kurdish Independent Life Party on the Iranian border.

    Notwithstanding the credible allegations that AQ was welcomed to Kurdish guerilla bases for training…under the prewar Northern No-fly Zone.

  425. But does he deserve a trial before judges that are persuadable by the likes of him?
    Chilcots inquiery was influenced and made into bland soup by the person who was inquiered into.
    That both Blair and Straw are still able to twist the news and are amplified shows that they are all fully prepared to do it again in Iraq.
    And that they are guilty as toast is golden brown.

    Thanks for all the great posts, gotta shoot…….

  426. Well done Ben for digging the Polish story – 17 Jun, 2014 – 2:32 am. True obviously and it hurts…

  427. Our English Page & Material

    At the same time we try to bring back our refugee communities together, we try to do our share to remind people that there are over 5 Million Iraqis around the world, because of a war that was based on lies, give us back our country and we will go back, not to the Batista style thieves in the Green Zone, back to us, the Iraqi People.

    More Than 30 Top U.S. Officials Guilty of War Crimes, Boyle Says

    15 June 2014, 2:40 pm

    The following press release was issued by Lord Maginnis of Drumglass on Friday, June 13, concerning the recent development in Iraq and an important conference at the UK Parliament in this regard

    At the invitation of Lord Maginnis of Drumglass and Lord Clarke of Hampstead, a conference was held at the Westminster Parliament on 10 June 2014 to discuss the major concerns in Iraq including the situation of human rights, the lack of security, absence of social developments and Iraq’s international obligations.

    Participants in the conference included His Eminance Shaikh Dr. Abdulhakim Al Saadi of the Iraqi Muslim Scholars, Mr Sabah Al Mukhtar, President of the Arab Lawyers Association (UK) and Legal Consultant in UK, Dr Isam Al Chalabi, Former Iraqi Oil Minister, Prof. Saad Naji Jawad, Professor of Political Science and visiting professor at LSE, Dr Subhi Toma, Expert on Minorities and Immigrants, His Excellency Sid Ahmed Al Ghozali, former Prime Minister of Algeria, and Messrs Denis Halliday and Hans von Sponeck, former Assistant Secretary Generals at the UN.



    I was given the links to the above but do not know the provenance of Scoop or of the meeting at the HoC.

  428. Oops, not 900 sq km, but 990 square miles.

  429. “That’s the hospital that treated Malala (used for anti-Taliban propaganda)”

    Perhaps the Taliban could have been more publicity conscious and not shot her in the first place?

  430. DavidH – you need to get with the agenda – saying that the present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation is the minimum acceptable quota – the Eminences are aiming for 200% or higher.

  431. Guano sets limits for craziness – well at least he has a sense of humour.

  432. Strange how Tony Blair’s current difficulties bring the Saddam lovers out from under their stone – if only he knew he was a tool of the US before he gassed the Kurds and invaded Kuwait and got all that bad press from Amnesty International – he was good boy and loved his relatives and friends (well most of them anyway).

  433. Someone said Eslo is the same as Resident Dissident? Correct?

    The lads are taking turns again.

  434. Having turns more like. I suggest they lie down in a darkened room, drink just water, till they feel a bit better and it passes. What a surprise we should find the US roving lunatic ethnocentric acting President Zbigniew Brzezinski (aka Doctor Death, Prisoner Z on the charge sheet) coaxing, forcing Saddam into war with Iran.

  435. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 2:37 pm

    Suggest ESLO informs himself on the activities of Rick Francona during the Iran-Iraq War, and maybe Reagan’s opinion on the possibility of Iran winning. At precisely the time of the Iraqi gas attack on Halabja, the US and Iraq were exchanging intelligence freely. In order to contain Iran. The US was well aware that Iraq was using CW, and let Iraq know it would do fuck-all about it. Saddam knew. He was banking on it.

    Strange to think that in its terror of Iranian Shi’a fundamentalism, the US succeeded in creating much more pervasive Sunni fundamentalism in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Maghreb and the Horn of Africa (and check for updates on this incomplete list). While at the same time creating a weak Shi’a regime in Iraq.

    A clusterfuck, with neocon US policy – or lack of any policy beyond grandiose aspirations, really – the chief culprit.


    17 Jun, 2014 - 2:56 pm

    Habbafook can’t do anything except attack the messenger. Even so inclined, he brandishes only a flaccid member.

  437. The stories were wrong. No Iranian forces had marched into Iraq. While American drones fly overhead and American aircraft carriers stream into the Persian Gulf, Al Qaeda forces – really American backed Takfiris sick of being pounded by the Syrian army – are moving on Baghdad.

    America destroyed Iraq in 2003. Recent revelations from Russian intelligence have rewritten the narrative of that time. It had been accepted that Bush and Blair, in a frenzy of greed and psychosis had decided to invade Iraq in order to steal billions in oil while pocketing their personal percentages of the vast defense contracts that a protracted bloodletting would facilitate.

    The new hypothesis is kinder to Bush and Blair. It cites them as cowards and dupes, blackmailed into warring on the world on behalf of Israel, confronted with threats of “outing” their personal complicity in the theft and sale of weapons grade nuclear material and a far darker issue, very real threats against the US and Britain, threats of nuclear weapons “in place” and city after city learning first hand of the “Samson option.”

    Whichever hypothesis is true, and military experts tend toward accepting the latter, the wanton destruction of Iraq and over a dozen other nations has always been “in the cards.”

  438. YouKnowMyName

    17 Jun, 2014 - 2:57 pm


    GCHQ has long advocated that it work with NSA and the Israeli SIGINT Service (ISNU) in a trilateral arrangement in prosecuting the Iranian target. SID [NSA Signals Intelligence Directorate] policy has been opposed to such a blanket arrangement, and the specific trilateral explained in the attached paper on Iran should not be interpreted as a broad change of approach. In other areas, NSA and GCHQ have agreed to continue to share information gleaned from the respective bilateral relationships with ISNU.


    alleged Snowden revelation of the VISIT PRÉCIS of Sir Iain Lobban, KCMG, CB
    [previous] Director, Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) 30 April 2013 – 1 May 2013 to Fort George G. Meade, Maryland


    17 Jun, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    “Guano sets limits for craziness – well at least he has a sense of humour.”

    Yes. The best comedians have deep social anger.

  440. Whose Magna Carta is it anyway?
    June 17, 2014 by Adam Wagner

    Yesterday was Magna Carta Day. It is now only 364 days until the 800th anniversary of the sealing of England’s oldest charter of rights, and one of the world’s most influential legal documents.

    A good piece which exposes the hypocrisy of the pocket pols who are attempting to own it for themselves and their parteis.

  441. I suggest Ba’al Zevul inform himself on the fundamental moral doctrine of the prime responsibility for one’s own actions being yourself as it is now a little late for Saddam. Such behaviour might be excusable in the case of those under the age of 4 or 5 – but not so much with Heads of State. A bad man/country made me do it doesn’t work for me I’m afraid.

  442. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    “Well done Ben for digging the Polish story – 17 Jun, 2014 – 2:32 am. True obviously and it hurts…”

    I think that was the story I commented on, wasn’t it (the Little Green Men, aka Polish mercenaries, in Ukraine).

    I see I needn’t have bothered to query the narrative, since anything endorsed by Mr Golding automatically loses all credibility without the need for anyone else’s intervention.

    Thanks Mark.

  443. “While American drones fly overhead and American aircraft carriers stream into the Persian Gulf, Al Qaeda forces – really American backed Takfiris sick of being pounded by the Syrian army – are moving on Baghdad.”

    Is it a form of racism to assume that some people in some parts of the world are not capable of doing bad things independently of “US imperialists” issuing the instructions?

  444. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    @ California Ben

    “Habbafook can’t do anything except attack the messenger. Even so inclined, he brandishes only a flaccid member.”

    Ben, Ben! Have you moved on from your turd metaphor to embrace the cock image?

    Honest Injun’, I suggest you embrace your own (in private, of course) and work towards preventing reflux of digestive waste from large intestine to mouth.

    You know it’s the right thing to do, Ben.


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Frist Alleppo, then Baghdad….natch! for the hopeful and engineered thinking.

    “Yossi Melman is “an Israeli writer and journalist. He was an intelligence and strategic affairs correspondent for the Haaretz newspaper, and in 2012 he joined the Israeli news portal Walla! in a similar, more analytical role.”

    Melman just tweeted:

    #Baghdad collapses. Shells on US & Iran Embassies Premier Maliki left. Chief of Staff escaped yo Germany. Heavy casualties to Iran forces


  446. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    This from last week’s Herzliya Conference.

    Summary: steal the lot, and make the bantustans look nicer.


  447. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:12 pm


    “I suggest Ba’al Zevul inform himself….”

    You’ll have to shout bloody loud for Ba’an al Zevul to hear you, sitting up there on Mt Olympus…..

  448. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    moonofalabama is a nutjob, Ben.

    Morals? Who’s talking about morals, ESLO? The US did nothing about Saddam’s breach of the Geneva Convention when he was their stooge, and then claimed they had the right to lay waste to Iraq on the basis that he might be in a position to breach the Geneva Convention when he wasn’t thweir proxy. Don’t drag morals into it.

    No, Saddam wasn’t nice. Neither are the neocons. I wouldn’t try to make a case for either.


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:17 pm

    I must be getting jaded. My jaw has not dropped even once since the former players, now wizened by their experiences and conscience, have been trotted out again by the Watchdogs who need close watching,

    “It’s hard to believe that the press has turned to the architects of the disaster in Iraq and their enablers. Over the last two weeks, we’ve seen and heard from folks that should be up for war crimes not TV spots. Why aren’t these folks being held accountable and why is the press returning to the same folks that were responsible for the worst foreign policy mistake in US History. Well, not only are they all over TV but they’re being hired to teach.”

  450. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:18 pm

    Oy vey, you should bomb Iran already, department…

    No-one else in Iraq is working to increase their influence, are they?


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:19 pm

    I’m not sure what measuring device you’re using Ba’al. Moon is consistently readable.

  452. Perhaps the slightly smarter here should reflect how much easier it might be to make IDF soldiers, UK and US politicians et al to take some responsibility for their own actions if they were to apply the same standards to Saddam, Assad, Al-Quada, Putin, Hamas, ISIS, suicide bombers, kidnappers of Israeli children et al.

  453. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:19 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “PS. Civilians, including women and children, are being blown to pieces almost daily e.g. at wedding parties and funerals in attacks by US drones in Pakistan and Afghanistan.”

    Almost daily, eh.

    On a point of information, can you let us know how many drone strikes have been authorised on targets in Pakistan and Afghanistan since the beginning of this year?

    The information is available to the public, but in the light of your comment (above)I would like you to have the pleasure of telling us.

    Thanks Doug.


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:27 pm

    “Perhaps the slightly smarter here should reflect how much easier it might be to make IDF soldiers, UK and US politicians et al to take some responsibility for their own actions if they were to apply the same standards…”

    I guess it’s like the hypocrisy of a parent telling a child; “Do what I say, not what I do”. It takes all the air out of the putative notion that they are the leaders of the free world. If so, who needs freedom?


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:29 pm

    The Midwives of Democracy are more like abortionists.

  456. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:37 pm

    I’m not sure what measuring device you’re using Ba’al. Moon is consistently readable.

    Oh yes. But not accurate. If her Israeli exists, he may be trying to hurry along some US intervention.

    ESLO – It would seem both logical and feasible to insist that our allies conform to standards similar to our own. ‘Our’ side is pushing civilisation, remember? We’re trying to sell something desirable? As to all those uncivilised villains, we have two options – peaceful persuasion, and bombing them back to the Stone Age. Morality, anyone? Neither approach works. Let’s get our shit together at any rate.

  457. Ben

    One thing children do is only listen to the part of the sentence they want to hear – I’ll get you an ice cream if you clean your bedroom. Thanks for demonstrating my point.

  458. “As to all those uncivilised villains, we have two options”

    Grown ups can think of a lot more options.


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    ” If her Israeli exists, he may be trying to hurry along some US intervention.”

    Bu that’s exactly the point.


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    ESLO; You think the West is the model emerging democracies should follow? I think they have it down.

    TEACHERS, we are.

  461. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    Couple more for you here, Ben:

    We put our maniacs in the House of Lords. Better system.

  462. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:48 pm

    But that’s exactly the point.

    Ah. Sorry. I’m in ESLO literalist mode. *changes gear*

  463. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:49 pm

    “As to all those uncivilised villains, we have two options”

    Grown ups can think of a lot more options.

    Please ask your Daddy to list some.

  464. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 4:29 pm

    “ESLO; You think the West is the model emerging democracies should follow?”

    Certainly. Can you think of another one, Ben? If so, spill it out.


    Habbabkuk says : criticism is easy, being constructive more difficult.

  465. Becoming deadlier.

    Iraqi forces have hit back with air strikes near Tal Afar as the BBC’s John Simpson reports
    Continue reading the main story
    Struggle for IraqThe end of Iraq?
    US strike would be turning point
    Maps illustrate conflict
    Who are ISIS?

    Iraqi government forces are engaged in heavy clashes with Sunni insurgents who have made major advances in the past week.

    Parts of the city of Baquba – just 60km (37 miles) from Baghdad – were briefly taken over by the rebels.

    Reports say 44 prisoners were killed during fighting at a police station in the city.


    Israel detains dozens more in search for missing teens
    Israel’s military has arrested 41 more Palestinians as it expands the search for three Israeli teenagers believed kidnapped in the West Bank.

    The total number of people detained since the Jewish seminary students went missing last Thursday now exceeds 200.

    Imagine their treatment. Torture. The lot.


    Here everything’s wonderful. Hague is busy getting the decorators into the British Embassy in Tehran. Cameron is meeting the Chinese boss man. The sun is shining. House prices up 9.9% (lovely for those selling their desres to the Chinese).

    But not if you’re one of the 2,600 Morrisons workers told today that they are losing their jobs.

  466. Cameron gushes drivel about British values and Magna Carta as the inexorable rise of secret trials continues.

    You couldnt make it up.

  467. “Can you think of one, Ben”

    Sure. How about a constitutional republic, as originally conceived by the founding fathers.

  468. Is the International Red Cross showing its partiality by refusing to ask Israel to release Palestinian child prisoners although they have asked for the three Israeli teenagers to be released pf course.

    The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is refusing to call on Israel to immediately and unconditionally release almost two hundred Palestinian children held by the Israeli army.

    The person quoted worked for MDM France before ICRC which has its HQ in Switzerland. connected to Kouchner.

  469. Craig wrote about the disgraceful way in which the UK has treated the Chagos Islanders.

    In looking for news on the useless D. Miliband and what he is doing about these international crises, I came across this latest report on the law case in which Grieve himself is representing the UK.

    Did David Miliband ignore Gordon Brown on Chagos?

    Miliband pushed off to NY to the International Rescue Centre (always makes me think of Lady Penelope!) for his £280k pa. He seems to do b. all except drift around the planet and send weedy tweets.

    5 mins ago, he has put up this link. Presumably he approves of it?

    ‘Important step: “Obama will propose vast expansion of Pacific Ocean marine sanctuary”

  470. doug scorgie

    17 Jun, 2014 - 8:19 pm

    Troll feeding frenzy:
    ESLO 3:00pm
    Habb 3:03pm
    ESLO 3:04pm
    Habb 3:09pm
    Habb 3:12pm
    ESLO 3:19pm
    Habb 3:19pm

  471. They weren’t expecting this :)

    British journalist tells the truth on Ukranian TV

  472. ‘I recommend readers to check out “Voltaire Net” for themselves, and I wish them better luck than I had in finding out very much about it.’

    Habbabkuk! Delighted to see you inveigh against those dickheads who post online without revealing their identities.

  473. I had the intention to recall here the camp near the small village of Stare Kiejkuty that Polish Prime Minister Tusk called a CIA prison aka ‘Black Site’. I reflected the fact that Poland asked NATO to station 10,000 troops on its territory in April this year.

    I get the reckoning of ‘ill will’ between Russia and Poland and her borders from hell. Starting from the top, Poland abuts Kaliningrad (the Russian exclave on the Baltic carved at the end of the war from East Prussia), Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine.

    None of these borders relies on any natural barriers like rivers or mountain ranges – they are just lines on a map drawn by Stalin in the full flush of victory.

    No wonder the Poles feel vulnerable. Yet that saddens me. All I know about Koken and Fibonacci loops was learned from a brilliant Polish mathematician.

    But Poland is going to have to work out their future with more Russian influence and pressure on their countries than they had anticipated. Both Nato and the EU have made promises they can’t possibly keep. We have led them up the garden path with our empty guarantees.

    Our local Polish community have admitted to being ‘house trained’ and they are not fukin stupid – Yes — Poland has mercenaries in Ukraine and many have traveled there from the UK.

    Donald Tusk was right when he warned the “world stands on the brink of conflict.”

    Some here just ‘poison the tea’ while invoking the hoodoo ‘Life is Beautiful’ — pour the tea into the plant-pot!! much as you knew that anyway. Thank-you.

  474. @Pykrete: Well, that was careless of Ukrainian broadcasting…

    The pictures on the faces of the Kievists is priceless!

  475. Iraqi Government blames Saudi Arabia…


    18 Jun, 2014 - 1:41 am

    “Iraqi Government blames Saudi Arabia…”

    Yes, but the World Cup and it’s corruption !!!

    Where are your priorities, Peacewisher?


    18 Jun, 2014 - 2:09 am

    Mark; Shall History record the Fascist rejoinder to Samuel Clemons sagacious response to those who stalwart souls of the media in his time falsely publishing his death?

    “I fear reports of the demise of the 1000 year Reich, to be premature”


    18 Jun, 2014 - 2:13 am

    …those {strike} who {strike} stalwart souls…..(an Edit button, an Edit button. My Kingdom for an edit button.)

  479. Running scared, literally.

    Stooge Ban Ki-Moon was waffling away yesterday but nobody was listening.

    UN chief Ban Ki-moon condemns Iraq violence

  480. The sectarian myth of Iraq exploited by the West is a recipe for endless war
    Sami Ramadani 17 June 2014.

    Iraqi exile Sami Ramadani says Iraq is not a motley collection of religions and ethnicities which have been waiting for decades, if not centuries, to slaughter each other.

    Tony Blair has been widely derided for his attempted justification of the 2003 Iraq invasion, and his claim last weekend that he’s blameless over the current turmoil.

    Unfortunately, though, many of his critics have also bought into a central plank of his argument: that Iraqi society is no more than a motley collection of religions and ethnicities which have been waiting for decades, if not centuries, to slaughter each other and plunge the place into a bloodbath.

    The main difference between the two sides seems to be that Blair believes western intervention is the answer; some of his critics say Iraq needed a dictator like Saddam to hold the nation together.

    Neither side, though, has yet produced historical evidence of significant communal fighting between Iraq’s religions, sects, ethnicities or nationalities. Prior to the 2003 US-led occupation, the only incident was the 1941 violent looting of Jewish neighbourhoods – which is still shrouded in mystery as to who planned it. Documents relating to that criminal incident are still kept secret at the Public Records Office by orders of successive British governments. The bombing of synagogues in Baghdad in 1950-51 turned out to be the work of Zionists to frighten Iraq’s Jews – one of the oldest Jewish communities in the world – into emigrating to Israel following their refusal to do so.

    Until the 1970s nearly all Iraq’s political organisations were secular, attracting people from all religions and none. The dividing lines were sharply political, mostly based on social class and political orientation. The growth of religious parties followed Saddam’s ruthless elimination of all political entities other than the Ba’ath party. Places of worship became centres of political agitation and organisation.

    Despite popular myths, the majority of Ba’ath party founders were Shia. However, Iraqi Ba’athist ideology always had a racist dimension against the Kurdish people and non-Arabs – as well as a class orientation, when in power, that marginalised millions in the poorest sections of society, mostly in the south. Southern Iraq and some areas of Baghdad, populated by mostly Shia migrants from southern rural areas, have historically been home to the poorest people.

    Iraq’s biggest mass organisation from the 1940s to the 60s was the Iraqi Communist party, founded in 1934 by activists from all religious and ethnic backgrounds. It was the strongest party even in Iraqi Kurdistan, and remained a mass party until its leadership decided to join Saddam’s regime in 1973 – against the wishes of most party members. Saddam launched a vicious campaign against the ICP in 1978-9, and the party lost its raison d’être after joining the Iraq Governing Council set up after the occupation in 2003.

    Commentators on Iraq often refer to ethnic wars waged against its Kurdish people. They fail to mention that none of these wars were popular but were ruthlessly pursued by repressive regimes, particularly Saddam’s.

    One of the greatest testaments to the tolerance that exists between the various communities in Iraq is that Baghdad still has up to a million Kurds, who have never experienced communal violence by Arabs. Similarly, about 20% of Basra’s population is Sunni. Samarra, a mostly Sunni city, is home to two of the most sacred Shia shrines. Its Sunni clergy have been the custodians of the shrines for centuries.

    Every tribe in Iraq has Sunnis and Shia in its ranks. Every town and city has a mix of communities. My experience of Iraq, and that of all friends and relatives, is that of an amazing mix of coexisting communities, despite successive divide-and-rule regimes.


  481. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 7:46 am


    “I recommend readers to check out “Voltaire Net” for themselves, and I wish them better luck than I had in finding out very much about it.’

    Habbabkuk! Delighted to see you inveigh against those dickheads who post online without revealing their identities.”

    King! Good to have you back with us, but wish it had been to make a more intelligent comment.

    Compare and contrast one commenter on someone else’s blog with an entire website which is frequently quoted from as a source for sundry point of view.

    My identity is as unimportant as Mary’s, Herbie’s, Ba’n A N’Zevul’s or – dare I say it – even yours. The identity, organisation and credentials of outfits like “Voltaire Net” and “Global Research” on the other hand are highly relevant as they are evidently seen by many on here as the infallible sources of truth.

    Why do you and others get so twitchy when they’re held up to the light, I wonder?

    (No need to answer that!)

  482. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 7:55 am

    From California Ben

    “…those {strike} who {strike} stalwart souls…..(an Edit button, an Edit button. My Kingdom for an edit button.)”



    An edit button with a function enabling commenters to avoid making fools of themselves when attempting to be clever-clever:

    “..the Fascist rejoinder to Samuel Clemons sagacious response..”


  483. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 8:00 am


    A VERY long cut-and-paste at 06h48 (up with the lark, eh!).

    Did not Craig once ask people to stop cluttering up his blog with long quotes from other sources/websites unless it was to back up a personal opinion or point of view?

    Something about not wanting his blog to become a rubbish dump?

    Please make an effort to respect our host’s wishes, Mary (this goes for certain others as well – you know who you are)


    La vita è bella, life is gooooood!

  484. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 8:24 am

    Cameron gushes drivel about British values and Magna Carta as the inexorable rise of secret trials continues.

    You couldnt make it up.

    Hush. The bastards obviously take that as a challenge.

    There’s a little piece in this week’s Private Eye (print only) on the antecedents of the judge in charge of the secret trial. Seems he protested, when just a humble lawyer (!), against similar moves: “justice must always be seen to be done…”

    But he evidently overcame his scruples in order to achieve his full potential.

  485. “Neither side, though, has yet produced historical evidence of significant communal fighting between Iraq’s religions, sects, ethnicities or nationalities.”–36_Iraqi_Shia_revolts

    I must’ve imagined the post-Gulf War rebellions in Iraq that left tens of thousands dead too.

  486. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 8:34 am

    Confirming everything you ever suspected about Blair, by someone who tried to advise him:

    According to Joffe, Blair “personalised” the whole issue in the form of Hussein and thus “the whole structure of Iraq was utterly irrelevant.. It was very two-dimensional.”

    The Torygraph weighs in this morning with the assertion that Saddam “filled more graves” than ISIS has.

    Give ‘em time. Saddam had 35 years.

  487. America’s top diplomat John Kerry says the US is “now open” to working with Iran in a bid to halt the collapse of the Baghdad government.

    Or, as Churchill said after the fall of France, “Oh fuck, what are we going to do now?”

  488. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 8:43 am

    And here’s the two-dimensional, shallow, geopolitically naive, self-aggrandising, pontificating POS in Israel. Flew out on the 15th, if I’m not mistaken.

    They’ll be the only friends he’s got.

    Note the trained lawyer making assertions about Hamas when there is not yet a shred of evidence that Hamas was in any way involved…

    PS: Israeli justice –

  489. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 9:09 am

    And he’s meddling in Cairo, too.

    *private jet*

    I have to wonder what Blair’s connection with the current government really is. He seems to be acting as some kind of clandestine representative of HMG – which he definitely shouldn’t be. Blair the back-channel? Appropriate.

    Supporting evidence, Charles Hendry’s (our Envoy to the ‘Stan Dictators) recent visit to Azerbaijan: no detectable trace of Blair on this one, but G-CEYL flew (unusually) from Heathrow to Baku on the same date. Hendry and Blair are not even friends, and have clashed in the past. Is G-CEYL’s hire actually funded by us?

  490. International media ignore Israel’s abduction of Palestinian teens
    Amena Saleem
    17 June 2014

    In the first ten days of June, seventeen teenage boys were abducted in the occupied West Bank. The youngest was thirteen, the oldest seventeen.

    Some were dragged at gunpoint from their homes and family in the middle of the night; others were seized from the streets in broad daylight.

    All of the abductions were documented by the Palestinian Monitoring Group. None were reported by the international media. No Western politicians called for the release of the boys.


    Just a few specks here of the daily experiences of the Palestinians logged by the Palestine Monitoring Group, and reported on Leslie Bravery’s website from New Zealand, a decent human.

    11 June 2014
    Israeli Army stun and tear gas grenades: Ramallah – 14:45, Israeli troops positioned at the Ofer Prison fired stun and tear gas grenades at pedestrians.

    Occupation road casualty – child: Qalqiliya – 07:15, 14-year-old Ahmad Yunis was admitted to hospital after being run over by an Occupation settler vehicle in Saniriya.

    Raid – mosque violation: Jerusalem – settler militants, escorted by Israeli troops, invaded the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound and molested worshippers.

  491. ‘Something about not wanting his blog to become a rubbish dump?’

    One of Craig’s earlier pieces was entitled ‘Motes’.

    Read and learn troll.

    ‘Matthew 7:3-5
    King James Version (KJV)

    3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

    5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.’

    Yes I was up early wasn’t I!
    Early to bed….etc.

  492. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:14 am

    Was Blair’s very silent visit to China on the 10th – only reported by Italian media…here’s Renzi meeting him there:

    – was this a deniable preliminary to the current visit to the UK by Chinese premier Li Keqiang?

    I mean, normally, he’s so vocal…

    Maybe he just dropped in to see how Wendi was doing.

  493. Wait to see queues at the filling stations going round the block shortly. This will start off the scare stories. At the weekend there were even unusually long queues in this area.

    BBC Breakfast: ISIS seize oil refinery in Baiji.

    earlier this morning. Baiji is the location of the largest oil refinery in Iraq.

  494. “Baiji is the location of the largest oil refinery in Iraq.”

    Refineries produce fuel for the domestic market.

    Won’t affect anybody outside Iraq.

  495. Tony Blair Bears ‘Total Responsibility’ For Isis, Says Academic Who Advised Him On Iraq

    Is Tony a sociopath or psychopath?


  496. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 11:32 am


    This page is, according to Google, about how Christianity has transfomed China (you what, Tone?), and published 5 days before Tony flew there. Clicky.

    Our Saviour seems to have taken it down.

  497. I wrote yesterday about the ICRC’s refusal to step in on behalf of the Palestinian child prisoners held by the Occupiers.

    The ICRC president is onePeter Maurer. Have a look at this most nauseating film of Maurer. He is introduced by an admiral who had charge of Guantanamo. He speaks of his posting there as being ‘uncomfortable’. Not half as nasty as that of his prisoners, orange jump suited, shackled, force fed and carted around on gurneys like corpses.

    Maurer’s posturing towards the most egregious offender, the US, is excruciating.

  498. ‘“Baiji is the location of the largest oil refinery in Iraq.”
    Refineries produce fuel for the domestic market.”

    Quite well aware of that Fred. I said scare stories.

    ‘Won’t affect anybody outside Iraq. I hope your sentence doesn’t become ‘famous last words’.

  499. From Medialens

    Amazing Nick Robinson quote on BBC News at Ten
    Posted by The Editors on June 18, 2014

    The BBC’s political editor delivered a real pearl:

    ‘The history of the rift between the US and Iran goes all the way back to the Islamic Revolution 35 years ago’

    As we’ve noted before, the history of US-Iran relations only ever seems to go back to 1979 in the corporate media. They’re not so quick to mention the 1953 Iranian coup orchestrated by the US – with British help.

  500. Plus this about another of the state’s broadcasters, Paul Wood.

    The BBC’s Paul Wood in Iraq – a decade on

    Posted by The Editors on June 18, 2014.

    10 years ago in Iraq, BBC reporter Paul Wood was a leading light in the propaganda barrage there. Perhaps the worst examples were his ‘journalism’ from Fallujah, as you can see by looking through our archive of media alerts, e.g.:

    Amazing to think that a decade on, his career is still intact and he’s back reporting from Iraq – as on last night’s BBC News at Ten.


    For those that can’t access the iPlayer or don’t fancy trawling through News at Ten:

  501. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 11:53 am

    Tony wouldn’t be Tony if he didn’t drop off en route to Cairo and Tel Aviv – ok, slightly offroute, but that’s personal luxury jets for you – to see his old dictator mates. Yesterday:

    Thinks – ‘I wouldn’t buy a used camel from that lot.’

  502. A lot of sarcasm on this very serious thread, as of late…

    Has anyone noticed any change in reported regarding Ukraine since Iraq became “the priority”.

    Latest body count from the UN (Gianni Magazzeni, head of European Department of the Office of the High Commissioner of Human Rights):

    Including deaths of two journalists… worse than even during the Iraq invasion…

    (NB: this is Associated Press reporting…)

  503. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 1:03 pm

    Curse of Blair (1)

    Curse of Blair (2)

    Trouble just seems to follow him around.

    (@ Peacemaker: Sarcasm – it just comes naturally when thinking about Blair. You wouldn’t want anyone to take the grinning shite seriously?)

  504. Two measured pieces by John Chuckman.

    Understanding Israel’s Corrosive Influence on Western Democracy

    June 4, 2014
    Israel has blackmailed the United States several times, the latest instance being over Iran’s nuclear program, a program which every reliable intelligence source agrees is not aimed at producing weapons. More than one Israeli source has suggested that low-yield nuclear weapons are the best way of destroying Iran’s technology, buried deeply underground, a suggestive whisper in American ears to do what Israel wants, or else.


    on June 16, 2014

    It is one of the gravest of contemporary truths that the greatest modern historical sufferers of genocide, the Jewish people, should be found now treating millions of others in brutal and degrading fashion, something now continued for more than half a century. Israel hasn’t killed millions, but it has killed tens of thousands in its wars and suppressions and their aftermath, including necessarily thousands of children in Middle Eastern populations heavily skewed to youth.

  505. KingOfWelshNoir

    “I recommend readers to check out “Voltaire Net” for themselves, and I wish them better luck than I had in finding out very much about it.’

    Read Aaronovitch’s book there is a short chapter on Voltaire Net and the 9/11 truthers conference they sponsored -even mentions that Craig attended – full of LaRouchies and other undesirables

  506. Habbabkuk, with the greatest respect, what are you talking about? All the contributors to Voltairenet Global research sign their articles and you can check their credentials. Michel Chossudovsky is listed in the university of Ottawa website. They even give his office phone number. You however are entirely anonymous.

  507. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 1:47 pm

    Tony will shortly be returning from the MidEast. It would be too much to hope that he flies over Syria and gets shot down*, but it does look as if he will be, or is, pausing in Turkey this afternoon.

    * Big black shiny twin-engine jet, lads. Unmistakeable.


    18 Jun, 2014 - 1:58 pm

    Out of deference to the resident ignoramus, a quote from Samuel Clemens.

    To succeed in life, you need two things: ignorance and confidence.
    Mark Twain


  509. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 2:07 pm

    Dear Sir,
    I am allergic to straw men and snark, and a neighbour recommended your product. It only needed one application, and presto! No more straw snark misery! And I no longer feel that pathological urge to beat the computer screen to death. Thank you so much.
    Ba’al Zevul (Mr.)
    Tunbridge Wells.

  510. “So let me get this right…..” By Richard Alan Jones.

    Spot on. Well done Sir.

  511. We all know “Tony” is a w****r.
    And we all wonder how the hell he escaped any War Crimes trial (so far).

    But we should not forget.
    The Shia and Sunni have been “at it” for ages. It’s what they do.

    More worryingly, I have just heard “Dave” in UK Parliament.
    Apparently he feels that the current “situation” in Iraq will come back to the UK.

    Nice try “Dave”.
    We’ve heard it all before.
    You’re talking shite again.

    Or maybe “Dave” means he’s going to pop a helmet on, load a rifle….and head off that way to sort it out ?

    I’ll hold your coat chum. And wave you off.

  512. Agent Cameron has used the situation in Iraq to hype up the terrrrr threat in the UK. Expect more draconian measures at airports and borders from St Theresa. She apologized for the passport foul up to a background of jeers.

  513. ESLO, 1:24 pm; be advised that the 9/11 Commission Report is to a large extent a collection of confessions extracted under torture.

  514. “Those who start the fire are burnt by the fire” Al Maliki (18/6/2104).

    Not sure Joan of Arc will agree with that statement !

  515. Abbott (with the jug ears), Bishop, Sharma and Brandis are ALL in in together – that is deliberately provoking and upsetting the Palestinians. They have a case of foot in mouth disease but they have chosen the wrong target.

    Note the possible loss of their sheep exports to Jordan because of it.

    East Jerusalem IS occupied whatever the Zionists say or think.

    Antagonizing Palestinians, Australia’s Linguistic Blunder Snowballs

  516. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 5:14 pm


    You obviously see no difference between me and websites/organisations such as VoltaireNet and Global Research. Well, actually you do but I guess you just want to tease me (which is your full right, of course).

    But when you write

    “You however are entirely anonymous.”

    how am I different from the vast majority of commenters on here? Does their total anonymity worry you as well, or is it just mine?

  517. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 5:18 pm


    “Out of deference to the resident ignoramus, a quote from Samuel Clemens.

    To succeed in life, you need two things: ignorance and confidence.
    Mark Twain”

    Thank you for getting the spelling of his name right this time round, Ben!

  518. Getting worse.

    Iraq formally seeks US air strikes
    Iraq formally requests the United States launch air strikes against jihadist militants who have seized several key cities.
    BBC website

  519. Habbabkuk, I was just worried for your well-being. When you disparaged Global Research et al on the grounds that it was difficult to check their bona fides I was concerned you might be sawing off the tree limb upon which you were sitting.

  520. One extrajudicial killing by drone is a crime. NO child should be harmed. See that 200 were killed.

    The Bureau of Investigative Journalism estimates the following cumulative statistics about US drone strikes:(As of January 2014)
    Total strikes: 381
    Total reported killed: 2,537 – 3,646
    Civilians reported killed: 416 – 951
    Children reported killed: 168 – 200
    Total reported injured: 1,128 – 1,557
    Strikes under the Bush Administration: 51
    Strikes under the Obama Administration: 330

    It is stated in a Bureau of Investigative Journalism (BIJ) report that of all the drone attack victims since 2004, more than 76% of the dead fall in the legal grey zone, 22% are confirmed civilians (included 5% minors) and only the remaining 1.5% are high-profile targets. A classified Pakistani government report obtained in July 2013 by the BIJ shows details of 75 drone strikes that occurred between 2006-09. According to the 12-page report, in this period alone, 176 of the 746 reported dead were civilians, with a further 200 regarded as probable non-combatants.

    Plus Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia. The list is endless. Used in places and countries we are told about. Mali? Chad? Nigeria? Kenya? Who knows?

    And who invented the evil Predator? Why, one Abraham Karem of course, now in the US, but originally a designer in the Israeli air force. 8,000 Predators are in use in the US military.

    And now Russia has got them and probably China. What a world.

  521. @Mary

    You forgot Iran. They shot down a US one. It must have missed the wedding party it was going for…and strayed into a real military area. Anyway, they have likely copied it by now.

  522. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 6:04 pm


    “And who invented the evil Predator? Why, one Abraham Karem of course, now in the US, but originally a designer in the Israeli air force.”

    Why the “of course” – because he’s a Jew/Israeli?


    Habbabkuk says fight racism and hate-speech.

  523. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 6:08 pm


    Still teasing, I see.

    Any thoughts on the anonymity claimed by the vast majority of commenters on here?

  524. Yes you are correct there James. Sorry I doubled up on your post about Cameron hyping up the terror threat.

    In my post on drone strikes, I omitted the word ‘not’.

    ‘Used in places and countries we are not told about……. ‘

  525. It’s all going to plan, Mary. “Darn it, if we aren’t going to have to chase ISIS back into eastern Syria, once we’ve dealt with them in Iraq.”

    The US will of course have to conduct regular overflights of western Iraq, just to make sure ISIS don’t come back. And if they happen upon any Iranian deliveries to Syria while doing so, hell, it’s hard to tell who’s who in the dark of the desert…

    Once the US have “secured” Syria’s eastern border, you’ll find that ISIS returns as a major threat inside Syria.

    Oh they’re very clever. You gotta hand it to them. Build a phantom, then blow it away.

  526. The use of ‘of course’ because as we are constantly told by the Zionist supporting corporate media, the Israelis excel at everything technological and scientific.

    But in spite of having a Mediterranean climate, beautiful beaches, fresh fruit such as apricots, dates and olives, new houses on stolen Palestinian land, they still have to use a computer game to make them feel happy!

    Israeli computer ‘game’ teaches brain to be happier
    A cognitive training program developed by Israeli psychologists quickly and easily decreases rumination and the resulting blues.

    The truth is, that deep within themselves, they know that something is not right about their lives and where they are living.

  527. “Once the US have “secured” Syria’s eastern border, you’ll find that ISIS returns as a major threat inside Syria.”

    I should have added: “except that now it will have US air support.”

    Indeed, Mary: How can you live a happy life based on theft and violence?

  528. PS ISIS (Newer, Better Al Qaida) will have been armed, initially, by all the kit the US has been sending to Jordan over the last 6-10 months. It will have some US military element co-ordinating its actions, drawn from the same.

    The US are really upping their game in that theatre. Maybe Poroshenko is serious about a unilateral cease-fire…

  529. Another reason for Scots to vote for self determination. Sir John Major claimed today that Scottish independence could damage Britain’s relationship with America by “wrecking” the UK’s nuclear deterrent.

    Also, more cracks in the dam holding back Bliar’s karma.

  530. Beware the presence on the newer thread. Someone has managed to get out of the shed. Somebody must have left the key on the hook and he spotted it.

    Shame as it’s been a nice peaceful day here.

  531. @Mary

    You have to know…it’s a game they play. And sometimes it becomes “unstuck”.

    So the “special relationship” between the UK and US has ended.
    The “Dave” and “Blue Lips” thing never got off the ground.
    The U.K. has Iran now.
    And the U.S. is sailing alone. They like that.

    Meanwhile …in the real world, China starts (or continues) buying (or providing the cash for) everything.

    And to be honest…that’s cool.
    But you are all missing the “blind side”.
    And it’s the “blind side” that’ll get ya in the end.

    R is greater than G ?
    Now I earn a lot of money in my profession.
    However I am far from the “super rich”.
    I merely fly an aircraft for a foreign person.
    BUT I can see….like Iraq R is greater than G. And that’s ya problem.

    As a “working class lad” that “made good”…. the fight will come.
    It will. There is just a spark needed.

    Maybe that spark of “Iraq! will fire back to the UK ? Maybe not.
    Maybe the “pissed on” will get really…pissed off.
    Our “Dave” is proving himself to be a “bloody idiot”. That’s okay.

    But “two bloody idiots” just makes people go…. “No….”

    How do I “think this”.
    Today Spain’s new King got a “disillusioned” hooray.

    And it won’t take long before the British people “get” that the comments of “Boris” about “Tony” were already their thoughts. They didn’t need a dickhead to “spell it out for them”.

    Times are changing….and it may be rough. Hopefully it will be rough enough.

  532. The US has told senior Iraqi officials that the Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, must leave office if it is to intervene militarily to stop the advance of Sunni extremists, The Independent has learnt.

    So we can assume Maliki might turn to the Iranians instead.

    Shades of Vietnam? Lucky the ISIS doesn’t have a Ho Chi Minh but they might have a mini General Giap after the Mosul equivalent of Dien Bien Phu

  533. Breath of fresh insight from James, thankyou.

    Agent Cameron after his SIS briefing yammered, “close down ungoverned spaces” to stop the conditions for terrorism flourishing. This might be construed as securing airports and other public transport spaces and ‘beefing up’ security and threat levels in the cold light of imminent ISI(S) covert action division paramilitary operations.

    It also means enhanced security at nuclear establishments and particularly nuclear storage… in Scotland… Faslane for instance. A terrorist attack would certainly skew the Scotland independence referendum towards ‘No’ or union – an accord essential in times of war or at least embedded in the ooze or creep towards imperium in imperio.

    So much for the Jesus inspired ‘open society’ and National Citizen Service (Hitler Youth), Agent Cameron, the passion seems to have tapered after the demise of WebCameron, the Big Society On-line Web Program.

    Yet my passion for the children in Iraq has risen warlord – so much I have dug deeper down the ‘Big Society’ rabbit hole which predictably molds and mutates into a unique source of black income, privatisation of public services and control, subjection and ultimately chains around common people.

  534. USS Liberty: We Held a Memorial Service and NOBODY Came

    ‘Impossible you say? Not so. In fact it happens every year. On June 8th of every year — the anniversary of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty — USS Liberty survivors and our families gather to hold a memorial service in Washington DC. This year it was held in the Navy Memorial.

    Members of Congress were invited to send an official representative to honor our fallen shipmates as were the Department of Defense and Navy Department, The American Legion, the Navy League and the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

    These are all organizations who never miss an opportunity to honor the American military especially those who have been Killed in Action during an attack by an enemy of the United States.

    Well, almost never.

    The Department of Defense was a no-show.

    The Navy Department was a no-show.

    The American Legion was a no-show.

    The Navy League was a no-show.

    Congress was a no-show.

    This is nothing new.

    We’ve been holding an annual memorial service in Washington, DC for decades. They’re always invited but they NEVER attend a memorial service for USS Liberty KIA. At most a ten minute drive from their offices to honor American fallen sailors and none of those organizations could be bothered to send a single official representative.’

    Well, isn’t that strange? Can’t make it out at all!

  535. The Obama version of democracy. Hopey Change was actually a Strangelove all along.

    Obama ‘to bypass Congress over Iraq’
    President Obama believes he does not need congressional approval for US action against advancing militants in Iraq, the top Senate Republican says.

    The BBC used Nick Bryant, Frank Gardner, John Simpson and Jonathan Beale in that report. Mark Urban with his maps and magic electronic marker pen must be on holiday. Are they not a bunch of predictable propagandists?

  536. YCNMIU BiBiCee this morning,

    The silly giggly Scottish weather woman wearing an even sillier BIG hat was reading out the dress code for Royal ‘Asscot’ down to the width allowed of a strap on a dress and the type of hats allowed to be worn. Definitely no fascinators.

    She was sitting on a bench in front of the grandstand painted to resemble the Union flag.

    On their business news there was good news for graduates. Macdonalds are creating 8,000 jobs over 3 years. There’s a new Amazon Fire phone. Woweee!

    That nice Mr Branson, busy taking chunks out of our NHS, is allowed to keep running the West Coast line for another 2+ years. He must have been a good boy.

    Followed by James Rubin (ex Asst Sec of State and married to CNN’s Amanpour) giving out US propaganda on Iraq. Maliki must go etc.

    Then Mr Unt came on to talk about dementia care. He is SO caring.

    Then the predictions for tonight’s match. 3-1 for Ingerland.

    All of this shit to the background of war, mayhem food banks and poverty. I switched off.

  537. s/be ‘She was sitting in front of the grandstand on a bench painted to resemble the Union flag.’

    In case you thought that the grandstand was now red, white and blue. Soon to be just red and blue?

  538. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 8:36 am

    Happily I was wrong to think Blair was returning to the UK yesterday after his tour of Kuwait, Egypt and Israel on behalf of Blair.

    He appears to be taking some time off in Marbella.

    Perhaps, having moved both George Galloway and Sir Peter Tapsell to call for his impeachment (GG has started proceedings), he wants to be near the exit when the police arrive?

  539. I know for sure that George Galloway did not vote for the war but had to check on Tapsell.

    ‘“Has 84 year old Peter Tapsell forgotten he voted for Iraq war?” the Political Scrapbook website inquired.’

    Who voted for and against.

  540. Lest we forget that this is where ISIS come from (yes, I know, the Mail !). How did they move so quickly and in such large numbers into northern Iraq? The US must have put in a bulk order for pick-up trucks to take to Jordan !

    ISIS have been created by US/Saudi. They are being armed and trained by the US in Jordan.–loads-fear-sleeper-cells-nation-wreak-terrible-revenge.html

  541. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:32 pm

    ISIS have been created by US/Saudi. They are being armed and trained by the US in Jordan.

    Hard to see why. The outcome of a successful insurgency. Maliki’s departure (as the US now want him to go) will be a forcefully unified Iraq (as the US will not countenance a breakup of this wholly artificial entity) under a strong Sunni minority government. If the government is sectarian, the US will still be fighting it. If the government is secular – meet the new Saddam. Same as the old Saddam.

    Some irony there. Irony also visible in the near-certainty that the planners of this move were almost certainly ex- Saddam Ba’athists, who have joined and probably helped organise the insurgents who were originally against the Ba’athist Assad.

    This is not simple. SOME of the ‘ISIS’ fighters may well have been trained by Americans in Jordan, some by Israel, Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi too. There are outright salafists in there, whom the US have been trying to kill for years, and, as I say, probably resurgent Saddamists, who were trained in Iraq. They’ve been waiting for an opportune moment (remember, they were allowed to go home with their arms and banned from holding public office by us?)…and here it is.

  542. I can’t agree, BZ. This is all about Syria (and hence Iran). With sufficient chaos in Iraq, they will not be able to help Syria. The US will also be able to stop any Iranian help for Syria, partly though having their proxies all over western Iraq and with the added benefit of air cover.

    The US only kill their proxies when they no longer have a use for them.

    To repeat: This is all about Syria.

  543. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:51 pm

    The outcome of a successful insurgency. Maliki’s departure

    Nonsense, of course. Read “The outcome of a successful insurgency including Maliki’s departure…”

  544. Not quite the Akkadian empire renaissance Mike, more:

    I – Islamic state
    S – Saud al-Faisal
    I – Insurgency
    S – Sale of arms to Iraq

  545. The geopolitical onion, Mark !

    PNAC/AIPAC is very devious, I’ll give it that.

    Good articles.

  546. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 2:17 pm

    Granted, sure, that it has for over a decade been all-but-stated US policy to destroy bring the benefits of a global market to Syria and Iran, I don’t think the US has any control over this situation and is as strategically buggered by it as Iran is. And it could equally be argued that if RG units are in Iraq to support the Shi’a (they are or soon will be), then so much the easier for Aid for Assad; the chaos being a fine excuse.

    In the very long term we are going to see Iraq as three, possibly four contiguous states only one of which has any interest in Iran, or vice versa. It would be better to accept this now, but the US will try all the available alternatives before hitting on the right one. Again.

  547. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 3:31 pm

  548. There are diversions here. Clever ones.

    Remember Father Merrin: “There is only one.”


  549. Ba'al Zevul ('Ere We Go (Back Home))

    20 Jun, 2014 - 8:26 am

    Sofia – The correct treatment for verrucas is to freeze them.

  550. guano wrote earlier about the kurd on the Beeb sounding ok with ISIS. beeb is almost orchestrating the revolution from irbil. jim muir went 50 miles to mosul, told studio u can’t go into the city, peshmerga encircle it (meaning as protection), black ISIS flags are flying & life is back to normal, (with everyone happy seemed to be his message). beeb didn’t document this. however, this guardian pic from 17 june kind of tells the story!

    Iraq crisis Q&A: what do you want to know about the Isis offensive?
    PHOTO CAPTION: Peshmerga fighters at a checkpoint outside Mosul which is currently under control of Isis militants Photograph: Sebastiano Tomada/Getty Images

    beeb’s other meme is these several thousand ISIS are about to take over Baghdad (leaving behind their conquered cities?)& people should get out now. two at the end of this piece asking for US to come in:

    VIDEO – BBC – Struggle for Iraq: ‘People desperate to leave Baghdad’

  551. BZ,

    Any chance of a Marybreak in the near future?

  552. a quick followup to my comment re peshmerga/ISIS.

    i now get the feeling the powers that be are attempting to achieve quickly in iraq what they failed to achieve in syria, namely a move on the Capital.

    lots of clues in the following highly-crafted “have your say”. love the pre-recorded baghdad resident begging ISIS to hurry up and come and save them, guest are atrocious:

    AUDIO: BBC: Have Your Say: Who are Isis?
    The advancement of Isis (the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) across northern Iraq has taken the world by surprise. They’ve taken control of Iraq’s second largest city Mosul, and is said to be advancing on the capital, Baghdad. They’re being described “as the most powerful and effective extreme jihadi group in the world,” taking over from Al Qaeda. Who are ISIS and what are their origins?

  553. Guano wrote (page 2): “Islam gives .. no beheading innocent men women and children.”

    True Islam just beheads the guilty men, guilty women and guilty children, eyy, Guano?

    Of course, once those guilty children (or men/women) are beheaded, any subsequent discussion of actual guilt and a possible appeal is somewhat academic, isn’t it?
    . . .

    Guano also : “It particularly annoys me when Jemand tries to portray this violence as part of the nature of Islam.”

    Obama might say – “It particularly annoys me when people try to portray this violence as part of the nature of American foreign policy.”

    The Quran, which you might like to acknowledge, Guano, speaks with approval of achieving many things using violence.

    People can apologise and make excuses for Islam all they like, in the same way that gun slingers apologise and make excuses for the misuse of guns.

    The failure of people to read instruction manuals and follow the law is to be expected and is, therefore, beside the point. The simple fact is that both guns and Islam are associated with unneccessary harm to society and neither should be tolerated.

  554. Careful what you wish for Jemand.

    Have you got one of those dolls with my name on it that you stick pins into because I keep getting these strange pains?

  555. Ba'al Zevul ('Ere We Go (Back Home))

    20 Jun, 2014 - 9:30 am

    Jemand -
    Habbabreak ™ works for all nuisances. Instal it, it puts up an icon on the website heading, with options to disable anyone you (dis)like. Even me. Blocking just two of the congregation vastly improves the readability and coherence of threads. I have blocked just two.

  556. Baal.

    Wise advice I know.

    I always thought Dad and his minions were old fossils.

    Time for a little Habbabreak!

  557. @Mary – yes, I do. A large one that looks like it’s hailing a cab. Is your pain in the ‘lower back’ region?

    @BZ – Thanks. I want to block everyone (including Craig) except Trowbridge. Now that guy really knows what’s going on with the whole mind-ray, laser guided earthquake thing.

  558. Belated kudos to Dreoilin.

  559. ISIS – ISIL , Balance sheets – Powerpoints – Photo-Ops in the desert – Brand new white Toyota pick up trucks cutting through Iraq swifter than a hot knife through Halva.This fascinating stage mgmt is over the top and its tricky knowing what is real anymore.
    I stopped believing in International terrorism when they began using exploding underpants and shoes.Exploding cigars would have been the way but smoking was banned on aircraft.
    So Maliki is the wrong guy and now the US want to change the regime.Heard it before !
    1st step ? To what ? Reassigning military hardware to NATO and Saudi factions in Syria ,those same friends of Syria that are not actually Syrian.This will level everything that has been left standing so far into far fairer killing fields.Erdogan is the wrong guy too,will he suffer the same fate as Maliki ?
    I listened to Obama last night rambling on about what he was going to do and not do and why.The US has at least 8 permanent bases in Iraq and countless contractors.1st step is just to legitimise what they already have. They cannot afford to have a sovereign Iraq.
    This is just more White House Hollywood for the Middle East.

  560. it’s all starting to fall into place:

    19 June – Jerusalem Post – Kurdish journalists to ‘Post’: We may fast-track push for independence
    “Kurdistan needs people like prime ministers David Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir,” Kurdish journalist says.
    Asserting that “Kurdistan needs people like former Israeli premiers Golda Meir and David Ben-Gurion – brave patriots, honest, and non-corrupted leaders,” he said that Kurds wanted to have a democratic state like Israel…
    Nechirvan Barzani, prime minister of Iraq’s autonomous Kurdish region, told the BBC in a report published Tuesday that he believed the country would break up and that Sunni radicals would continue to make territorial gains.
    Barzani said it would be “almost impossible” to return to the way things were before the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) group took the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.
    “Iraq’s disputed areas, including oil-rich Kirkuk, are under Kurdish control,” noted Aram…
    Even Turkey, which has traditionally been a staunch opponent of Kurdish nationalism, “has come to realize that not only is Kurdish independence a natural path that ultimately cannot be stopped,” but it could provide a potential strategic partner in the tumultuous Middle East…

  561. Global News Canada – Iraq crisis: What does the future hold for Kurdistan?
    By Nick Logan
    Kurdish-controlled areas of Iraq have been largely spared the country’s worsening turmoil as Islamist militants make their way further south, taking over cities and towns en route to Baghdad….
    Are Kurdish forces fighting with ISIL?
    Iraqi Kurdistan Regional Government Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani told BBC on Tuesday that peshmerga fighters would not assist Iraqi efforts to reclaim Mosul.
    “It would be a mistake to fight the ISIS at this stage,” Kurdish politician Arif Taifour told Rudaw . “We should defend our own Kurdish territories outside the Kurdistan Region and not become part of the religious fight in Iraq.”….
    But since Hussein’s fall, Iraq’s Kurdistan region thrived – largely thanks to the oil industry. It’s grown about 10 per cent annually, according to an Oct. 2013 report in the New York Times.
    International oil companies are pouring billions of dollars into Iraqi Kurdistan, home to about 45 billion barrels of oil, according to Forbes magazine.
    And the Kurds have built a new pipeline to Turkey that will eventually allow 400,000 barrels per day to flow to the Turkish port of Ceyhan….

  562. That fits.

    Jemand ‘@BZ – Thanks. I want to block everyone…..

    Talking out of your head to your hand or your mirror then? LOL

  563. Right on cue. To repeat: The latest ISIS surge is all about Syria (Iran)

  564. The state of our ‘democracy’.

    Another vitally important EDM – 156 – has been posted regarding the scandalous delays in publishing the Chilcot report. It states:

    That this House calls for publication in full of the Chilcot Inquiry report to give closure to the loved ones of the 179 UK fallen soldiers, to inform serving soldiers that Parliament’s decisions on warfare are founded on rigorous examinations of evidence and to reveal to hon. Members the full truth on the evidence for Parliament’s decision to join America’s war on Iraq in 2003; and believes that an expurgated version of the report would create an impression of an establishment cover-up by politicians and civil servants to protect their reputations.

    25 signatures. 1 Tory.

    In addition, EDM 136 requires the support of all MPs who have learned from mistakes of the past. It states:

    That this House welcomes the Fourteenth Report of Session 2013-14 from the Defence Committee on Intervention: Why, When and How?; notes the Committee’s recommendations on the role of Parliament and the importance of parliamentary approval before use of military force; stresses the need for debate on conflict decisions to ensure the approval of both Parliament and the public; further notes in particular the emerging convention that the House should have an opportunity to debate military action abroad; and calls on the Government to clarify that the convention will be applied to use of drones outside Afghanistan, whether or not they are operated from the UK and to publish a statement of criteria articulating the legal basis and circumstances in which the UK may commit to military intervention of any sort. 12 signatures.

    Says it all.

  565. So surreal, so funny but very chilling.

    Howard Aussie stooge for the Iraq war
    Harper the Canadian stooge for the Iraq war

    make identical speeches on March 18 and March 20 respectively.

    Amy comment Jemand?

  566. That nice Mr Rasnmussen (aka the Fogh of War) is kindly keeping us up to date on Ukraine whilst the equally nice Mr Obomber makes plans for more killing in Iraq, even though by proxy.

    Washington Post: Rasmussen reports new Russian troop buildup along the Ukrainian border

  567. “Amy[sic] comment Jemand?”

    On what, Mary? Your link? Or your insatiable demand for attention from those you claim are unwelcome trolls?

    I gave up visiting links you post when I discovered that, much like you, they have zero relevance and zero intellectual substance.

    How’s that ‘lower back’ pain going?

  568. No pains here but I consider you to be one of the most unpleasant of the trolls. The others we can laugh at but you spit venom which is both dangerous and hard to wash off. You are a sort of cane toad.

    And your contributions to the blog = a bit fat zero.

  569. Ba'al Zevul ('Ere We Go (Back Home))

    20 Jun, 2014 - 11:34 am

    I think this synopsis of the tormented history and current factionalism of the region SHOULD serve as a corrective to those automatically ascribing what’s going on to the US’s hegemonic* intentions. Not that they don’t have them, but they really aren’t that clever.

    * I have invented a new musical instrument – the hegemonica. It blows. And it sucks.

  570. Thanks for your stamp of approval, Mary. Knowing that you disagree with most of my observations is reassuring of their validity.

  571. Ba'al Zevul ('Ere We Go (Back Home))

    20 Jun, 2014 - 1:42 pm

    Get a room. Or Habbabreak ™

  572. Perhaps this will suit most here, except Jemand of course.

    Written by an Israeli, Uri Avnery, about another Israeli, Shimon Peres.

    Sisyphus Redeemed
    by Uri Avnery / June 20th, 2014

    If there is a God, he surely has a sense of humor. The career of Shimon Peres, who is about to finish his term as President of Israel, is clear evidence.

    Here is a life-long politician, who has never won an election. Here is the world-renowned Man of Peace, who has started several wars and never done anything for peace. Here is the most popular political figure in Israel who for most of his life was hated and despised.

    Once, several decades ago, I wrote an article about him with the title “Mr. Sisyphus”. Sisyphus, it will be remembered, was condemned for all eternity to roll a heavy rock to the top of a hill, and each time when he was nearing his goal the stone slipped from his hands and rolled down again.


    We await Mr Rivlin with interest and the Palestians await with dread.

  573. Israel orders dismantling of camera that captured murder of Palestinian boys

    On 15 May, Israeli security forces fatally shot Nadim Nuwara, 17, and Muhammad Abu al-Thahir, 16, at a demonstration near the Ofer military prison in the occupied West Bank village of Beitunia. Four days after the killings, on 19 May, Defence for Children International-Palestine (DCI-Palestine) released footage from Zayed’s security cameras that showed the boys walking slowly in a calm scene when they were shot.

    Now the Israeli military has ordered Fakher Zayed, the man whose security cameras captured the closed circuit TV footage that shows Israeli security forces shooting the two teenage boys, to dismantle his cameras within 24 hours or face legal proceedings/ (The footage and an earlier interview with Zayed can be seen in the DCI-Palestine video above.)

    No words.

  574. ‘We await Mr Rivlin with interest and the Palestians await with dread.’

    Palestinians even.

    Do you remember the maps in the old bibles printed on very thin paper where Palestine was marked in pink?

    ‘Palestine (Arabic: فلسطين‎ Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn; Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: פלשתינה Palestina) is a geographic region in Western Asia between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. It is sometimes considered to include adjoining territories. The name was used by Ancient Greek writers, and was later used for the Roman province Syria Palaestina, the Byzantine Palaestina Prima and the Umayyad and Abbasid province of Jund Filastin. The region is also known as the Land of Israel (Hebrew: ארץ־ישראל Eretz-Yisra’el), the Holy Land, the Southern Levant, Cisjordan, and historically has been known by other names including Canaan, Southern Syria and Jerusalem.

    Situated at a strategic location between Egypt, Syria and Arabia, and the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity, the region has a long and tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. The region has been controlled by numerous different peoples, including Ancient Egyptians, Canaanites, Israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, the Sunni Arab Caliphates, the Shia Fatimid Caliphate, Crusaders, Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottomans, the British and modern Israelis and Palestinians.

    Boundaries of the region have changed throughout history, and were last defined in modern times by the Franco-British boundary agreement (1920) and the Transjordan memorandum of 16 September 1922, during the mandate period. Today, the region comprises the State of Israel and Palestinian territories in which the State of Palestine was declared.

    Added: ‘This article is about the historical geographic region. For the sovereign state (country), see State of Palestine. For the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, see Palestinian territories. For other uses, see Palestine (disambiguation).’

    When you go to Palestinian Territories, you read:
    Not to be confused with Palestine (region).
    This article is about the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
    For other uses, see Palestinian territories (disambiguation).’

    How very true.

  575. Jerusalem Post first to announce the de facto break-up of Iraq!
    boasts about its first oil shipment from their Kurdish friends:

    Kurdish advances
    Iraq is now divided on a de facto basis into a Shi’ite south and center, including Baghdad, a Sunni, ISIS-dominated west and a Kurdish-ruled north…
    The biggest winners from this situation, apart perhaps from ISIS itself, are the Iraqi Kurds…
    Iraq is now divided on a de facto basis into a Shi’ite south and center, including Baghdad, a Sunni, ISIS-dominated west and a Kurdish-ruled north…
    Largely ignored by the Western media, the Kurds have been quietly building their autonomy in the three northern provinces of Erbil, Sulaymaniyah and Dohuk, granted to them by the Iraqi Constitution of 2005…

    Israel receives first ever oil shipment from Iraqi Kurdistan
    The SCF Altai tanker was anchored near Ashkelon port early on Friday morning, ship tracking and industry sources said.
    A tanker delivered a cargo of disputed crude oil from Iraqi Kurdistan’s new pipeline for the first time on Friday in Israel, despite threats by Baghdad to take legal action against any buyer…
    But the new export route to the Turkish port of Ceyhan, designed to bypass Baghdad’s federal pipeline system, has created a bitter dispute over oil sale rights between the central government and the Kurds…

  576. MSM all stating today that Sistani has called on Maliki to go, but naturally that isn’t quite the story! it’s a representative simply giving the weekly sermon & calling for the constitution be followed following the recent elections. one of the problems – the president of the republic is supposed to call on the leader of the winning list to form the government, but president, Jalal al-Talbani, has been absent for over a year due to ill health.

    Reuters – Iraq Ayatollah calls for new parliament to start work without delay
    A sermon by Sistani, highest religious authority for the country’s Shi’ite Muslims, was read out by his representative Sayed Ahmed al-Saafi at the Imam Hussein shrine in Kerbala. It called for parliament to convene after Iraq’s federal court ratified election results this week.
    “The federal court ratified the results of the elections and there are timings according to the constitution to hold the session for the new parliament to choose its speaker, president and the prime minister and also to form the new government,” it said…
    According to the constitution, the parliament’s first session should be held within 15 days of the ratification of results. But Iraqi political blocs are divided over whether to hold the meeting, faced with a war against Sunni militants, who seized Mosul and other northern cities last week.

  577. As you were saying Oddie. I do not have the Murdoch paywall btw.
    This is the first para.

    The Nixon of the Middle East must go now
    Michael Burleigh
    June 21 2014

    Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq’s embattled prime minister, must be replaced before the US and allies join the fight against Isis

    The fate of Iraq hangs on the isolated, gloomy figure of Nouri al-Maliki. To western eyes, the embattled prime minister is as monochrome as an accountant, but to many Iraqis — and not just Sunnis and Kurds — he is all too colourful, though not as vividly tyrannical as Saddam Hussein and his psychopathic offspring. Even Raghad, the dictator’s eldest daughter, is urging on the Sunni Islamist armies of Isis so she can worship at Saddam’s tomb.


    Aa tells us about his prescriptions. An instant NHS saving to be made by Mr Unt in that case!

    Taking statins won’t make me a couch potato
    David Aaronovitch
    June 19 2014

    Doctors who oppose extending prescriptions of the heart pill are putting anecdote before evidence. That’s dangerous.

    At midday yesterday, in the middle of writing this, I took a break and walked down the hill to the GP’s surgery to pick up my prescription — two drugs for hypertension and one for cholesterol. The last is a statin and if the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) maintains its present stance many more of you will join me in popping one of these little fellows every night

  578. Did my eyes deceive me, or did I see the BBC’s main news last night cover civilian casualties in East Ukraine? It even mentioned the lack of water and electricity in Slavyansk.

    Careful, Auntie, that was dangerously close to balanced reporting !

    Better late than never, I suppose.

  579. Today’s Telegraph article by Charles Moore
    is worth reading for three reasons. First, it’s a well-constructed argument – even though I do not agree with it. Second,it’s a reminder that silencing Tony Blair now would contribute even less to peace now than did the removal of Saddam. Third, the House of Commons bears the heaviest responsibility for supporting Blair’s messianic folly: for those MPs who had eyes to see and ears to hear it was clear that Blair was asking them to do the wrong thing for the wrong reasons. Even an honest Chilcott enquiry – unlikely though that is – would not absolve those who allowed themselves to be conned into voting for the war.

  580. It’s much more than a deadly fiasco – it’s a massive strategic blunder.

    To think that one country can continue to play divide-and-rule policies with increasing force in an area already deeply divided is just mindlessness.

    Ultimately, the losing side will reorganize, changing the game dramatically, and the manipulators will be obliged to join in directly for fear of losing everything.

  581. First time for everything Iain Orr. I have to disagree with you about Moore’s defence of BLiar however well constructed you say his argument is. BLiar is a psychopathic war monger. End of.

    These lines made the hackles rise.

    ‘But perhaps because I am one of those who never loved Mr Blair, I do not hate him. I was unseduced, and therefore did not feel betrayed later on. This makes it easier to see that he is now being treated with a venomous, un-British unfairness.’

    And how were his victims in Iraq and Afghanistan treated?

  582. Mary – two points. First, Moore’s argument being well-constructed does not mean that it is right. As I said, I don’t think it is. But, it deserves to be treated seriously. He’s also a good polemicist in suggesting if those who are usually at daggers drawn both want to impeach Blair, they might reflect on what it is they have in common.

    Second, your argument “Blair is a psychopath – end of” is almost too strong. How did the UK political system allow a psychopath to become PM? I would not wish to hear Blair apologise: that would only confirm that psychopaths are past-masters at faking sincerity. The real apologies needed are from MPs, lawyers and journalists for their poor judgement and – for most the far more culpable crime – putting their political and material interests before respect for truth and their own consciences.

    I would like to see a medal struck to honour those who voted against invading Iraq. Tricky, however, to decide who should be asked to present them in a Parliament Square ceremony.

  583. Ba'al Zevul (Keeni-meeni)

    21 Jun, 2014 - 10:14 pm

  584. can u believe the beeb? look at the photo they use for this story!

    BBC – Israeli troops kill Palestinian in West Bank clashes
    PHOTO CAPTION The three teenagers disappeared while hitchhiking home
    He would be the third Palestinian to have died in clashes with Israeli
    troops searching for the students…
    The man shot in Nablus was named by the Palestinian security officials and
    medics as 26-year-old Ahmad Fahnawi.
    Israeli officials said he had approached soldiers in a “threatening manner”.
    His family said he had been undergoing treatment for mental illness…

    Abbas to Haaretz: Netanyahu should denounce deaths of three Palestinian teenagers
    “I do not want to make excuses, but the kidnapping occurred in Israeli-controlled Area C,” Abbas said. “In addition, the Israelis didn’t brief us on the kidnapping until 12 hours after the fact. Our security forces began to search for the hostages immediately after this.”

    in the above, netanyahu tell abbas to end alliance w/ hamas; abbas asks Netanyahu to provide evidence hamas did the kidnapping. in jerusalem post, netanyahu is now saying he’ll soon provide the evidence, yet this was the story a week ago!

    Haaretz: Al-Qaida linked organization takes responsibility for alleged kidnapping
    Dawlat al-Islam is linked to ISIS, the Sunni militant organization behind
    this week’s Iraq insurgency. Validity of claim still being investigated by
    Last November, Israeli commandos killed three members of a Salafi terror
    cell in the South Hebron Hills village of Kfar Yatta. The three were
    planning an attack on Israel, and pistols and explosive devices were found
    at the site of the operation….

  585. Israel elected to leadership of UN committee on “Decolonization”
    Just when it appeared that the United Nations could not be more ineffective in protecting Palestinian rights and holding Israel accountable for violating them, here comes the news that Israel has been elected as vice-chair of the UN Special Political and Decolonization Committee – which deals among other things with matters related to Palestinian refugees…

  586. funny how only israel reports on this angle:

    Haaretz: Kurds re-discover their old ally Israel
    Washington opposes Kurdish oil exports in principle since it detracts from Iraq’s unity, but it is unlikely the United States will object to selling oil to Israel.

  587. Zionism in practice – Israel’s Daily Toll on Palestinian Life, Limb, Liberty and Property

    24 hours to 8am 19 June 2014

    5 air strikes – 1 attack – 55 raids including home invasions – 7 beaten – 13 injured – 4 acts of agricultural/economic sabotage – 36 taken prisoner – 8 detained – 123 restrictions of movement

    Israeli air strike injures resident in Beit Lahiya
    East Jabalya farmland under Israeli Army fire
    17-year-old youth injured in Israeli Army raid on refugee camp
    Israeli troops abduct handicapped youngster
    Israeli Army home occupations – resident beaten, tear-gassed and hospitalised
    Israeli Army bulldozes 6 Palestinian homes to destruction
    More Israeli Army home invasions – 5 residents beaten and injured
    Israeli Occupation Army destroys 3 livestock shelters and a well
    Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in 5 refugee camps and 35 towns and villages

  588. The entity of ‘Israel’ knows no borders.

    23 June 2014
    Israeli air strikes target Syria after Golan death

    Israel says it has carried out air strikes on military targets in Syria.

    The military said it had attacked nine targets in response to the killing of a 15-year-old boy in a strike in the occupied Golan Heights on the border between the two countries on Sunday.

    Two others, including the boy’s father, an Israeli defence contractor, were injured when a blast hit their vehicle.


  589. ANDREW PIERCE: Red Ed’s team and the ghost of David Kelly
    Red Ed Miliband and his deputy Harriet Harman have run a mile from Tony Blair’s claims that the Iraq war was justified
    Red Ed Miliband and his deputy Harriet Harman have run a mile from Tony Blair’s loopy claims that the Iraq war was justified. B ut the death of Dr Kelly casts a pall over their team.

    Tom Baldwin, now Red Ed’s senior media adviser, was the newspaper journalist who named Kelly as the source behind the BBC story by Andrew Gilligan that the Blair government had ‘sexed up’ a dossier about Iraq’s ‘weapons of mass destruction’ to justify war against Saddam Hussein.

    Alastair Campbell, who advises Miliband on election strategy and was Blair’s communications chief at the time, wrote in his diaries that releasing Kelly’s name would ‘f*** Gilligan’. And Michael Dugher, the Labour MP in charge of communications strategy now, was then the special adviser at the Ministry of Defence — which was criticised by the Hutton report into the death of Dr Kelly for the way it confirmed the weapons expert’s identity.

    Campbell later claimed remorse over his actions — and demonstrated it by signing a copy of the Hutton report which was auctioned in 2006 for £400 for party funds.

    Kelly, the day he died, emailed friends referring to ‘dark actors playing dark games’. Red Ed’s team appears to contain some dark actors of its own.

    Ed miliband’s response to growing criticism of his private office is to advertise for a ‘Parliamentary Apprentice’. Applicants must answer this in no more than 250 words: ‘What interests you about working for the Rt Hon Ed Miliband MP?’

    Applicants will find this tricky — given that even shadow cabinet ministers would struggle to answer it.

  590. can u believe how different this guardian report is from what the MSM is reporting? ran over a bomb? a planted bomb? son of IDF contractor, not “israeli settler”? i’ve heard no mention by MSM of previous three bombings of syria by israel. and israel in another all-out war on the palestinians without international concern. tragic. watching bbc female presenter talk to bbc female reporter in israel yesterday nearly made me ill. their discussion was so warped, they were almost stumbling over every word:

    Israeli teenager killed in attack on Syrian frontier
    Israeli media reported on Sunday morning that the victim was the 15-year-old son of a civilian contractor employed by the Israel Defence Forces and that four other people were injured. An official told the Associated Press that the vehicle in which they were travelling appeared to have driven over a bomb or been struck by fire from Syria…

  591. The trial of Tony Blair

    Essay of the week by Neil Mackay
    Sunday 22 June 2014

    The charge:
    That Tony Blair, former UK prime minister, in lock-step with US policy, deliberately misled Britain, its parliament and people, into the catastrophe of the illegal invasion of Iraq in March 2003 that resulted in the deaths of at least 100,000 people – a crime against peace and humanity – and in doing so created the circumstances that have brought Iraq to the brink of ruination today.

    Photo Montage
    From top: Donald Rumsfeld, who met Saddam in 1983 in his role as Reagan’s special envoy to the Middle East; David Kelly, the British weapons expert who took his own life; Blair staffer Alastair Campbell, who was involved in the presentation of the WMD dossier


  592. Oddie. I think the mayhem that has been created in the region will lead to an all out attack on Syria ere long by members of the USUKIsNATO axis. ‘We had to do it’. ‘There is no alternative’ ‘We had to protect Israel’ ‘Finish it’…etc etc. I hope I am wrong.

    PS The caption on the Sunday Herald photo was incorrect. It was just a ghostly (and ghastly! image of BLiar superimposed on an image of Baghdad burning.

  593. Mary – u could be right.

    what is awful is watching bbc camera crews moving along the highways, filming one or two vehicles driving along behind them with the obligatory rebels (ISIS in this case) holding rifles, etc….precisely as the beeb did in libya. it is so predictable. talk about using the same M.O.

    patrick cockburn is pushing the meme that iran has turned on maliki, following the fake msm reports that sistani had turned on him, yet some alt media in the US thinks cockburn is trustworthy. what good could it possibly do to create even more of a power vacuum in baghdad at this point?

    Jihadism and the Petroleum Industry
    by Thierry Meyssan
    While the Western media portray the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant as a group of jihadists reciting the Qur’an, the ISIL has started the oil war in Iraq. With the help of Israel, it has cut off Syria’s supply and guaranteed the theft of oil from Kirkuk by the local government of Kurdistan. The sale will be assured by Aramco who will camouflage this diversion as increased “Saudi” production…

  594. Mary -

    did u hear about this?

    20 June – Press Conference the UN Doesn’t Want You To See
    Yesterday at 11am, the Syrian Mission to the United Nations convened a press conference featuring people from the US who observed the recent elections.
    Five minutes into the opening comments of Syrian Ambassador Bashar Al-Jaafari, the UN webcast cut off. The thousands of journalists, political analysts, and others who view UN webcasts each day from all over the world were denied the ability to watch the press conference, and hear what was said…

    VIDEO: Syrian ambassador decries UN mistreatment
    Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, also responding to a question from Press TV, stated his displeasure with this occurrence.

  595. Have been out Oddie doing battle with Vodaphone. That is the giant multinational that does not pay its proper share of taxes. They have swiped £9 off me and disconnected my SIM card/number. This is because I had forgotten to make a dummy call in the last three months on my old pay as you go which I keep in the car as a back up in case of emergency and the other one is out of juice. What rogues. So now I have a new number, paid more shekels to them to ‘top up’ and need a new identity disc for my dog which displayed the old number.

    PS They have three branches in the town.

    ◾Vodafone’s tax case leaves a sour taste
    ◾How Vodafone made tax dodging respectable
    ◾Why are there protests against Vodafone? A simple guide
    ◾Taxman let Vodafone off £6bn bill

    In India there is the same evasion.

    PPS Also spitting feathers as banners were going up for Armed Forces Day/Help the Heroes. That was a construct of bloody Gordon Brown’s.

  596. King of Welsh Noir – there is a difference between Habba not revealing his identity and Global Research and Voltaire Net not revealing theirs and anything he does to assist in that is welcome. BTW I enjoyed Mary’s comment about Lady Penelope / david Miliband and IRS.

  597. Bremer defends his actions in Iraq.
    Former US envoy defends Iraq policies

    Paul Bremer, former governor of Iraq blames Obama for the current situation, not himself or Bush

  598. Mary -

    never had a mobile phone, & don’t plan to get one. what a scam they are.

  599. “My beloved wife and three beautiful children, I can say they were really extraordinary people,” he said.

    “They were very charitable. They had a strong concern for the welfare of others, even before their own comfort.

    “They had devoted their lives to a dream to give to others – the needy, the less privileged and the misguided. Four amazing human beings.”

    Dr Taufiq said he had no hatred for the eight men convicted.

    “You hate crime. You don’t hate individual people,” he said.

    The paediatric neurosurgeon was working at a hospital in Dublin at the time of the fire.

    Dr Taufiq is one amazing man.

    Leicester fire deaths: Eight people found guilty

    ‘Seven men and a teenager have been convicted for their part in a revenge arson attack that killed four people.’

  600. BLiar’s response to the letter requesting his removal as Quartet Envoy.

    Tony Blair’s office has responded as follows:

    “These are all people viscerally opposed to Tony Blair with absolutely no credibility in relation to him whatsoever. Their attack is neither surprising nor newsworthy. They include the alliance of hard right and hard left views which he has fought against all his political life. Of course he completely disagrees with them over the Middle East. He believes passionately in the two-state solution, but also believes that can only be achieved by a negotiation with Israel.

    “The truth, and anybody who knows anything about the situation in respect of Palestine knows this, is that transformational change is impossible unless it goes hand in hand with a political process. There was hope that this could progress with the recent US-led talks which were underpinned by a hugely ambitious economic plan spearheaded by Mr Blair.

    “Mr Blair has done no work for JPMorgan in the Middle East – he is the chair of their International Advisory Council – where he provides advice on global political issues.”

    It means nothing.

  601. This Boston subway has done more to expose Israeli crimes than Blier has.

  602. Dear friends,

    We just finished our 27th interview for the documentary and we have some pretty amazing material so far, watch this space!

    As you may have seen, our #SackBlair campaign is gaining huge momentum. The open letter that was signed by 3 former UK ambassadors, 5 MPs, Noam Chomsky, Ken Livingstone and many others has now been covered on Channel4 news, The Guardian, The Daily Mail, The Huffington Post and several other news outlets.

    If you haven’t done so already, please sign the petition and share it among friends and family:

    We will send you another update today on the event we have organized for Friday 27th June in central London at lunch time. June 27th is the actual 7-year anniversary of Tony Blair’s appointment and we cannot let it pass unnoticed!


  603. ^^ Oops, update from George Galloway ^^

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