Deep Interest of the Deep State

by craig on June 5, 2014 4:50 pm in Uncategorized

Actually just read that Obama quote again:

“we obviously have a deep interest in making sure that one of the closest allies we will ever have remains a strong, robust, united and effective partner”

If the United States truly believes it has a deep interest in making sure that Scotland does not become independent, we can be quite certain that America will be pulling out all the stops to make sure that No wins.  The language is the language of intelligence service tasking memoranda, which Obama is consciously or unconsciously reproducing.  I have personally been involved in a great deal of intelligence service tasking.  Intelligence service resources, both personnel and financial, are deployed to a greater or lesser extent to a task according to an assessment of the depth of national interest involved.  If Obama has decided the US has a deep interest in the result of the Scottish independence campaign, we can expect hidden interference at Ukrainian levels.

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131 Comments

  1. If Obama had anything about him he would have said no to the Nobel Peace Prize for nothing. As well as withdrawn from Afghanistan years ago. This unwise intervention just shows his lack of judgement again.

  2. Looks like Big Eck could be in trouble.

  3. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Jun, 2014 - 5:05 pm

    This sounds like another of the alibis being prepared for what will probably be a No vote in the referendum. The mesaage being : the Scottish people WOULD have voted Yes HAD IT NOT BEEN for (1) the baised press, (2) the biased BBC, (3) (now) the USA, (4)???etc,n etc, etc.

    It seems as if those coming out with those alibis show a certain lack of respect for the intelligence of the Scottish.

  4. Interesting that the Scottish referendum has brought the sun and the t—- out in turn and that there is no crawling by him around Craig today.

  5. Do you think he can get Mcdonalds to put something in the chips?

  6. What if there is a surprise natural disaster in Scotland, say an earthquake around Conrie in the Scottish Highlands? Could help the No vote.

    Sure spelt the end of Turkish PM Ecevit when he turned on the USA. in 1999.

  7. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Jun, 2014 - 5:33 pm

    Interesting that the b—- came out of hiding as soon as she saw my comment (nothing to say on the main theme, of course).

  8. Sorry for the misspelling. It’s the Comrie Highlands Fault, the place where the most earthquakes occur in the UK.

  9. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Jun, 2014 - 5:38 pm

    “What if there is a surprise natural disaster in Scotland, say an earthquake around Conrie in the Scottish Highlands? Could help the No vote.”
    _________________

    One thing is sure – if there were to be a natural disaster before the referendum, Trowbridge would be the first to claim that it had been artificially cuased by the Americans.

    **********************

    La vita is a great big conspiracy.

  10. You can put money on it.

    If there is a big natural disaster in Scotland, especially around Comrie which has not experienced a big one in centuries, you can be sure I shall be crowing about it.

  11. I have already made my comment on the previous thread, four
    down from yours to Craig. Hardly polite to our host are you?

    ‘Craig, sorry to have to say it but you’re being silly. Point of that post?’

    And speaking of silly……….this always makes me think of you. ;)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qapzIbTV68

  12. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Jun, 2014 - 5:54 pm

    Mary

    “Hardly polite to our host are you?

    ‘Craig, sorry to have to say it but you’re being silly. Point of that post?’”
    _______________________

    But much, much politer than some of the Excellencies were when they reacted to Craig’s splendid posts on Ukraine/Russia…..

    It’s very loyal of you, I’m sure, but I don’t think Craig will be too offended and I’m sure he can fight his corner without any assistance from you, Mary. Just stick to the substance and stay in topic, please.

  13. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Jun, 2014 - 5:59 pm

    “If there is a big natural disaster in Scotland, especially around Comrie which has not experienced a big one in centuries, you can be sure I shall be crowing about it.”
    ________________________-

    “crowing about it” – what a curious reaction to a natural disaster.

    On a point of info, do you also “crow” about epidemics and famines?

  14. It is obvious where the t— is coming from ref the Scottish vote.

    I need no patronising comments from him incidentally. He is filling this thread up nicely with the recycling.

  15. The BBC stooge speaks:

    A matter for the folks in Scotland
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27724761

    ‘As you might expect, supporters of the Union are singularly delighted at the comments by President Obama to the effect that he favours a strong United Kingdom, implying that he is less than delighted with the notion of independence.

    And the response from supporters of independence? One senior figure said to me privately: “This is incredible. We hadn’t expected them to run Obama until August. We must be doing well!” This was, needless to say, delivered in ironic fashion.

    To date, the US has stayed neutral on the Scottish question: the US ambassador to the UK told me last October that it was the policy of the US to stay out of the Scottish referendum.

    At the same time, the US has appeared ready to be a little more open on the prospect of the UK leaving the EU. (The Americans are agin.)’

    ~~~~

    LOL
    OchAyeTheNews So funny!
    Brian Taylor sacked as head of Bias for BBC Scotlandshire
    http://bbc.scotlandshire.co.uk/index.php/city-news/37-brian-taylor-quits-bbc-scotlandshire.html

  16. I shall be crowing about a most unnatural disaster, hoping that the culprits are finally exposed, and thrown into prison until they die.

    They have already established that they are mass murderers.

  17. The States will I’m sure try to scupper the vote if it leans YES.
    We won’t be allowed to leave if we do say YES.
    Wrong type of democracy

  18. The Thrawn Effect: Vote Yes

  19. One of the main reasons that British Labour lost votes in Scotland, was the Labour partys support for US wars. Obama saying “we can’t do it” may have an unexpected effect.

  20. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Jun, 2014 - 9:19 pm

    DonnyDarko

    “The States will I’m sure try to scupper the vote if it leans YES.
    We won’t be allowed to leave if we do say YES.
    Wrong type of democracy”
    __________________

    And I’m equally sure that you’re wrong.

    Your comment appears to carry the excuses and alibis process to new heights, Donny. Or perhaps new depths.

  21. No, I think he is just speaking the truth. It is undeniably in the USA’s interests for Scotland to stay in the UK, and I don’t think anyone would question that fact.
    If Salmond gets a No vote then it will be down the continuing uncertainty about Scotland’s currency and EU membership, which he has completely failed to give honest answers about, not to wild conspiracies involving wide-scale vote-rigging.

  22. You can have any democracy you want as long as good old uncle Sam approves first.

  23. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Jun, 2014 - 9:51 pm

    “It is obvious where the t— is coming from ref the Scottish vote.”
    _____________________

    And I wish the b— – would remember my previous comments on this issue.

    Namely that I’m neutral on the issue, whilst noting with approval that it there is an independent Scotland Labour will be deprived of a heck of a lot of seats at Westminster and there is a good chance that it will never come into power again in what remains of the UK.

  24. Of course Obama wants a strong and united UK…the US certainly doesn’t need the UN having to debate the matter of an rUK being a member of the security council.

  25. The US is an Empire that is now being ridden by a jockey called Zionism. Every other state on earth must to be weakened and divided in order for the jockey to win. Division is therefore the policy of the US Empire as it remains with the UK. That is a different word concept from independence. You can have Union and division at the same time. You can have independence and harmony. What Obama has been told to avoid is harmony.

    The inner harmony of the brave Muslim people of Syria and Iraq has survived the wrenching forces deployed by zionism against Islam, the pitting of Russia against Al Qaida, and the pitting of traditional Islam against Al Qaida.

    The wining and dining of Gaddaffi’s entourage in Paris was as spectacular show of vanity as the Assad election is now. Fruitcakes both of them.

    When inshallah Islam wins, it will be hard to understand how these evil bastards held on to power for so long.

  26. Would a £15-20 billion Trident replacement contract and nowhere to put it be anything to do with this revelation. It is clear that Barry gets his orders from the usual suspects , feed the machine.

  27. Habbakuk/Habbabkuk above ‘Labour will be deprived of a heck of a lot of seats at Westminster’

    Good and good riddance to them, especially those who support Zionism and are Labour Friends of Israel such as Gordon Brown, Wee Duggie and Jim Murphy to name but three.

  28. The Better Together crowd are shooting themselves in the foot. Getting desperate?

    This latest move of theirs is insulting, patronising and ridiculous.

    Vote against independence and you can ‘scoff’ fish and chips every day for 10 weeks, ministers tell Scots
    Government sparks ridicule after publishing list of reasons to stay in UK
    Ministers claim Scots would be £1,400 poorer voting ‘Yes’ to independence
    Scotland Office says ‘UK dividend’ buys 295 fish suppers or 280 hotdogs
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2649554/Vote-against-independence-scoff-fish-chips-day-10-weeks-ministers-tell-Scots.html

  29. Craig’s words are clear and straightforward yet it seems difficult to understand. Can we expect the creation of a coup or a Black ops operation before the Scottish vote? Clearly sources in the diplomatic corps in Edinburgh, which is home to nearly 50 consulates and diplomatic missions think the tide of opinion has shifted significantly in recent months after a noticeable swing against David Cameron’s government and the ‘no’ campaign.

    Former NATO secretary general and British defense minister George Robertson said in a speech in Washington this past week that for the United Kingdom to “shatter this year would be cataclysmic.”

    Why?

    Because nuclear tension with Russia will increase dramatically in the fall and the nuclear submarine base in Scotland and other torpedo firing sites will become paramount to America at the breaking point even though the transition could take years it will be understood as a weakness, a knight lost in the grand game.

    Thus a terrorist attack on Faslane will no doubt force through the plan to allow the base to be designated as sovereign UK territory along the lines of SBA’s in Cyprus for example.

    Lord Astor has said the devil is in the details.

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-trident-nuclear-warning-1-3327008

  30. I support the ‘Better vote Yes together’ lobby. If you can get that message out it’s a winner because it would mean the Yes vote got all the paid for publicity of ‘Better Together’. Just an idea.

  31. Sorry if I’m repeating myself but I don’t have time to go searching through earlier posts: I want independence big-time, but can’t vote for it because I’m not a UK citizen. But I saw what happened when New Zealand in the 1980s tried to stop nuclear-armed and nuclear-powered ships/subs (esp. US ships/subs) from visiting their ports – not BASED but VISITING – the CIA helped to overthrow the newly elected Labour gov’t. So what do you think will happen in Scotland, which happens to ‘host’ THE most important nuclear submarine base in the N Atlantic? Strategically more important than any East Coast US base. Obama’s statement today is just the start – the next few months are going to be a nightmare of propaganda. I have friends who are pro-independence but not too engaged in the process; as the arguments get more strident, I’ll be amazed if they and many others stick to YES; the fear factor pounded on by the BBC and the mass media is just enormous.

  32. Barney Thomson

    6 Jun, 2014 - 12:32 am

    I shouldn’t be too worried about the effect of any threats or fear campaigns.

    If people believe that they are pursuing a course that is the right one for themselves, their families and their communities, they will have the courage to face the fear and defy the threats until what they want is achieved.

    The shame of choosing to give in would be too much to contemplate.

  33. Saville England

    6 Jun, 2014 - 3:45 am

    Scottish independence would highlight the absurdity of P5 status for a truculent criminal pipsqueak like UK. With the civilized world chipping away at anachronistic UNSC inequities and the acknowledged corruption of the cascade effect, the US regime needs every pathetic shred of synthetic legitimacy. That makes the nominal sovereignty of its UK satellite seem vital. But the UK has no reason to exist if it can’t fulfil its duties to its peoples. It’s going to drop off NATO like a leper’s dick, with or without Scotland, followed by Italy and Greece. The NATO bloc is going the way of the Warsaw Pact. Good riddance.

  34. Sorry Craig, but I think the fix is in. The language does appear particularly strong, and Obama, well he is who is. If the US don’t want an independent Scotland, matters will be arranged to make it so, if possible. Perhaps if the vote is clear – around the 60% mark – a fix will be impossible, mind.

    I’m still not all that clear why Scotland would be of any importance to the US. They’ve got bases everywhere, and Scotland is small cold place, of no real strategic value. We do have oil, but that’s running out. I suppose any threat to remove Trident will worry the military-industrial complex, and history suggests any independence at all is frowned upon, perhaps that’s it. Who knows really? The US no longer appears to be acting rationally.

    I’ve said before, I’m not that bothered about independence, but I am bothered about a good clean fight. Clearly, we won’t get that.

  35. Things are really getting down and dirty now.

    ‘Alistair Darling has said that Alex Salmond is behaving like the North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il.

    Mr Salmond last night demanded an apology from the No campaign leader following his outburst in an interview for political magazine the New Statesman.

    Mr Darling picked up on the First Minister’s response to Ukip winning a Scottish seat in the recent European elections.’

    /..
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/anger-after-darling-likens-salmond-to-kim-jong-il-1-3433590

    June 5th 2014

  36. I see that NATO are meeting in Wales in early September. Timing? It’s a wonder they didn’t choose Gleneagles.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/topical-events/nato-summit-wales-cymru-2014/about

  37. The venue for the NATO meeting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_Manor_Resort
    £200 a night!

    and its owner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Matthews

  38. Ba'al Zevul (Sure 'Nuff 'n Yes I do)

    6 Jun, 2014 - 8:35 am

    What’s the UK’s advantage to the US? In addition to cannon fodder and an equipment budget which, though stretched, is at least not dependent on US aid*; Unsinkable aircraft carrier, Fylingdales, Menwith Hill, GCHQ and a choice of three, maybe four non-socialist** parties to implement the imperial will under the guise of freedom’ndemocracy. No need to learn Foreign to talk to ‘leader’. Good record of counterbalancing Germany in Europe. Staunch ally in War On Individualism globalised market economy, with mega-effective lobbying inputs for globalising marketeers. Big oil companies*** with worldwide production operations.

    Follow the money.

    *unlike another noble ally with aspirant-nation problems

    ** or at least only slightly commie by US standards

    ***BP is very big in Azerbaijan, and we pay a special envoy to ensure its profitability there and in Kazakhstan. He was there this week-

    http://www.azernews.az/azerbaijan/67689.html

    (And if bloody Blair wasn’t, his plane was)

  39. @Brendan
    “I’m still not all that clear why Scotland would be of any importance to the US.”

    Think Allende’s Chile – the danger of a good example, as John Pilger put it. Suppose UK continues with the neocon economic model, casting most of its people back into impoverished serfdom, but Scotland returns to the values of post war social democracy (or even further left)and makes it work. That might create a bit of restlessness south of the border – the fearful Domino Effect.

    I think the neocon strategy will be to hope for a No vote in September. Their propaganda efforts to dissuade the Scots from this option range from hilarious to frankly abusive, and if they are having any effect it is opposite to the one intended. I think they to some extent understand this (or they don’t look at Twitter) and reason that black ops before the vote could actually produce a landslide Yes.

    The time to be watchful is after a Yes vote when I’m sure attempts will be made to intervene in any way that could void the referendum result, hobble the ensuing independence negotiations, or create internal divisions in Scotland (e.g. that old chestnut, partitioning).

  40. Ba'al Zevul (Sure 'Nuff 'n Yes I do)

    6 Jun, 2014 - 9:40 am

  41. We can be cast as the new Venezuela complete with our own Chavez , interesting that that part of the world contained the Darien scheme , the author of all our troubles.

  42. Bugger (the Panda)

    6 Jun, 2014 - 9:57 am

    The Herald Newspapers, Evening Times plus a myriad of local newspapers in the UK are owned by Newsquest in the UK which is part of the USA based media conglomerate Gannett.

    Gannet own a number of TV franchises across the USA and the only pan US daily, USA today. USA today is to investigative journalism as Channel 5’s morning show is to intelligent television.

    Gannet is bqsed in Langley, Virginia and their next door neighbour is, quite coincidentally the CIA Headquarters.

  43. Ba'al Zevul (Sure 'Nuff 'n Yes I do)

    6 Jun, 2014 - 10:09 am

  44. I’ve put a bit of flesh on the bones of my idea at 5 Jun, 2014 – 11:18 pm

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/better-vote-yes-together.html

  45. The western oligarchy here and in the US do not want any of the EU nibbled away of course.

    TTIP Here we come.

    The lies behind this transatlantic trade deal
    Plans to create an EU-US single market will allow corporations to sue governments using secretive panels, bypassing courts and parliaments
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/02/transatlantic-free-trade-deal-regulation-by-lawyers-eu-us

    George Monbiot above.

  46. Ba'al Zevul (Sure 'Nuff 'n Yes I do)

    6 Jun, 2014 - 11:27 am

    …one of the closest allies we will ever have…

    Looks as if we’re about to do something nasty together -again. I really don’t like that future tense. Agree (from the depths of my bottomless ignorance of the CIA, but with a fair ear for nuance) that line was very carefully constructed.

  47. “If Obama has decided the US has a deep interest in the result of the Scottish independence campaign, we can expect hidden interference at Ukrainian levels.”

    So they – and we! – and Europe! – did interfere in the Ukraine then. Well, I’m glad that’s finally been cleared up. If you listen to the Beeb, it was all down to that nasty Mr. Putin! (He’s just like Hitler, you know – Hilary Clinton says.)

    So anybody who is apt to dismiss the concept of karma can nonetheless see that we are set to reap what we have sown. Whatever the cause, whatever the rights and wrongs, it won’t look anything like as funny when it happens to us. One day, much sooner than people think, it will happen to the U.S.A. too. Separatism is quite a widespread phenomenon – in China (reasonably well-known), in India (with the exception of Kashmir, somewhat less well-known) and even in the U.S.A (less well-known still and never publicised).

    For all kinds of reasons I am an unapologetic Unionist. Still, at least we are set to settle the matter in Britain on a vote – or more likely on a series of votes until they give the right answer. The pattern for the U.S.A. was set 150 years ago. Unless they are very lucky, separatist movements there, constitutional or otherwise, will be opposed with state violence.

  48. So Cameron meet Putin in private during his Paris visit. One wonders what they have been talking about, because D day does not seem to have featured, despite the 20 million soviet citizens that died for all our freedom.
    It was the Soviet Union that defeated Hitler at his last stand in Kursk, so why all this one sided bollox without considering all our allies effort?

    what a bunch of self centred warmongers.

    http://asiansecurityblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/06/remember-the-russians-on-d-day/

    “The USSR had essentially stopped the Nazi drive by the fall of 1943. Stalingrad, the turning point, was over by February of 1943 (as was El Alamein, a British victory, in late 1942). The last major German offensive around Kursk in the summer of 1943 was halted. The enormous Soviet offensive of 1944 dwarfed anything the Western allies could put on the continent that same year. This event would have proceeded without the Allied invasion. To be sure, an unknown counterfactual is how the USSR would have fared if the Wehrmacht had not been forced to prepare for a western landing. Furthermore, allied bombing obviously took its toll. But nonetheless, the FDR administration was quite content to allow the Nazi and Soviet totalitarians to exhaust each other.”

  49. Absolutely Craig, although I wouldn’t dwell exclusively on the Scots lives lost as a result of the US war machine’s drive for profits. From North Waziristan to Slavyansk, it is an indiscriminate killer.

    “Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.”

    That seems to be happening to MC Drone King and his PNAC fluffers.

  50. ” The USSR had essentially stopped the Nazi drive by the fall of 1943. Stalingrad, the turning point, was over by February of 1943 (as was El Alamein, a British victory, in late 1942). The last major German offensive around Kursk in the summer of 1943 was halted. The enormous Soviet offensive of 1944 dwarfed anything the Western allies could put on the continent that same year. This event would have proceeded without the Allied invasion. To be sure, an unknown counterfactual is how the USSR would have fared if the Wehrmacht had not been forced to prepare for a western landing. Furthermore, allied bombing obviously took its toll. ”

    Stalin was constantly badgering Churchill and FDR to open a second front in europe, without Normandy and Italy, with the Germans able to concentrate all their efforts on the Eastern Front there’s no telling how much longer the war would’ve dragged on for and how many more millions would’ve died. If and when the Soviet forces had overcome the Nazis they’d have almost certainly pushed on to the Atlantic coast and we’d be living in a very different europe.

    On top of the disruption caused by allied bombing a large part of the German war effort had to be diverted to home defence. Half of Germany’s artillery production was diverted to making anti-aircraft guns together with large amounts of ammunition and hundreds and thousands of men which could otherwise have been deployed to the east.

  51. ” the extra required to guarantee a win may be picked up from Conservatives/Labour/LibDem voters who want to abandon the NWO ship as 911 truthers,now that the false flag has been proved to have been a mini nuke event ”

    So Scottish independence is going to rely on the tin-foil hat brigade. Good luck with that.

    How can you be sure Obama isn’t working a bit of reverse psychology here? That it isn’t part of the Americans favourite game of divide and conquer.

  52. Well said there Nevermind. 11.54am

  53. Ba'al Zevul (Sure 'Nuff 'n Yes I do)

    6 Jun, 2014 - 12:36 pm

    So Cameron meet Putin in private during his Paris visit. One wonders what they have been talking about…

    Very likely the recent moves by Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan in the general direction of Moscow, as contrasted with our obliging shift towards Uzbekistan, came into it. We’re back to Great Game politics (and wars).

    Slightly OT, but tangentially relevant: we’re going to have austerity as a permanent feature, judging by this –

    http://www.communitiesandculture.org/funding/

    1.The funding source is Research Councils UK, ie it’s in line with government policy…
    2. God alone knows what ‘digital engagement’ is meant to mean. But someone really needs to get their finger out.

  54. Ba'al Zevul (Sure 'Nuff 'n Yes I do)

    6 Jun, 2014 - 12:38 pm

    How can you be sure Obama isn’t working a bit of reverse psychology here? That it isn’t part of the Americans favourite game of divide and conquer.

    Because we’re already conquered, that’s why.

  55. ” Because we’re already conquered, that’s why. ”

    Oh well then it’s not going to happen; or if it does it’ll part of the Master Plan.

  56. WW2 could not have been won without the USSR as Nevermind says. Cameron and Putin were the only two leaders who did not shake hands according to Russia Today. But apparently they shook hands afterwards.

  57. Ba'al Zevul (Sure 'Nuff 'n Yes I do)

    6 Jun, 2014 - 1:07 pm

    911 truthers,now that the false flag has been proved to have been a mini nuke event (with that vast “pothole” of molten rock and instantly “rusted” vehicles)

    Proved by whom and to whose satisfaction? Even for a (lol) truther, that’s monumental bollocks. What molten rock? The pics show exactly what you’d expect there, rockwise: glacially scoured Manhattan Schist (an absolutely bogstandard metamorphic rock, originally sediments, but deformed and recrystallised by heat and pressure around 450 million years ago) The formation extends into New Jersey. What’s the problem with “instantly” rusted vehicles? Once the paint’s been stripped – eg by heat and/or abrasive fallout – it takes no time flat for cars to rust.

    Just to take this seriously for a second, with huge reluctance, if a nuclear explosion of any kind had been detonated at that location, there would have been an instant pulse of gamma rays and neutrons, both of them capable of penetrating thick walls. Many people away from the towers would have died. The towers would not have collapsed vertically, but
    been blown radially from the blast centre. There would have been a visible (blinding) fireball at ground zero and a blast wave which would have collapsed everything standing within a large radius. The depth of the hole is not sufficient to have contained the explosion even of a small ‘tactical’ weapon below ground.

    So try again. Try the builder’s moneysaving wheeze of failing to protect structural members with fire-resistant coatings (as the plans specified)

  58. Yo ho ho. Tomorrow you’ll post the 4pm link, then you’ll libel the McCanns again. I think not, you cowardly pervert!

  59. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 2:06 pm

    “WW2 could not have been won without the USSR as Nevermind says.”

    As John Goss says.
    _____________________

    Probably right.

    And some say that it would have been won a damn sight earlier in the absence of the German-Russia (Ribbentrop-Molotov) Treaty.

    ***************************

    Following a little bit the commemorations at the Normandy beaches today, I am moved by the sacrifices of the Allied troops. It’s ironical to think that they died, indirectly of course, to allow people like Mary, Tony M, Ba’alZievel, Mike, Nevermind, Herbie, Mr Scorgie and so on to pour oit their daily tribute of hate against the UK, their own country.

  60. Not ‘against their country’ you duplicitous twister. Against the politicians, the gangsters in charge, the war mongers who make their hypocritical gestures of pretending to care for the fallen when they have waged recent wars on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Mali and so on who posed no threat of invading us. Of course I am deeply proud of those brave people and grateful for those who gave their lives for us. Yet we now have secret trials in our ‘freedom’.

    The display on going in Normandy is a display of power and nothing else.

    My family’s business premises were demolished in the blitz on Southampton. My brother and I were small children in 1944 and I expect I know more about WWII than you do and about the deprivations that followed in the post war years.

  61. ” so the vast amount of energy that resulted in tons of molten material at the bases of the WTCs, detectable even THREE MONTHS later by satellite ”

    Explain how a nuclear weapon would have caused this. Also explain how an explosion in the basement of a building would cause it to collapse from the top down.

    As I’ve explained elsewhere on this blog mini-nukes don’t exist. It’s just physically impossible. Try to make a bomb with less than a critical mass of fissile material and it won’t explode.

  62. Ba'al Zevul (Sure 'Nuff 'n Yes I do)

    6 Jun, 2014 - 2:50 pm

    Gentleperson

    Not often I agree with Kempe. But I do this time. What you are proposing is utter toss. It’s such utter toss I suspect you are trying to wind the company up. FAIL.

  63. To the individual who is here to inflame and divert.

    Two years after DDay, your best mates were blowing up the British in Jerusalem of course.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

  64. Habbakuk (at 2.06 pm): You characterize several regular contributors here as people who pour out a “daily tribute of hate against the UK, their own country”. 8/10 for polemical energy; 0/10 for accuracy. When it comes to countries, crimes and people, love and hate operate in different ways. Characteristically, hate the sin but love the sinner. Even if Shakespeare may, in context, have been painting Brutus as a self-righteous prig, the justification he offers for the assassination of the dictator makes use of a distinction you might bear in mind before making further additions to your demonology – viz “If there be any in this assembly, any dear friend of Caesar’s, to him I say that Brutus’ love to Caesar was no less than his. If then that friend demand why Brutus rose against Caesar, this is my answer: not that I loved Caesar less, but that I loved Rome more.” (cf Bush’s love for Iraq and the deaths of so many Iraqis besides Saddam)

    An even better place to contemplate the “crops of love and hate” is Edwin Muir’s poem “One Foot in Eden” –
    http://waywarddisciple.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/edwin-muir-one-foot-in-eden.html

  65. Juncker is disgusted with the British press. He says they are desperate!

    Juncker: I won’t beg UK to back my bid for European commission presidency
    Exclusive: Frontrunner for top EU job launches angry broadside at Cameron-led opposition
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/05/juncker-european-commission-presidency-cameron

    Frau Merkel has been giving Cameron a few words.

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 4:16 pm

    “Two years after DDay, your best mates were blowing up the British in Jerusalem of course.”
    ______________________

    That is a very silly comment.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=

    “I expect I know more about WWII than you do and about the deprivations that followed in the post war years.”
    ______________________

    It’s possible that you “know more” but certain that you have learnt less.

    ***************************

    You can thank the influence of Iain Orr’s comments (for which I thank him) that I’m not giving you the kicking you deserve.

  67. As I’ve explained elsewhere on this blog mini-nukes don’t exist. It’s just physically impossible. Try to make a bomb with less than a critical mass of fissile material and it won’t explode

    That critical mass can in theory be pretty small. From published literature – reflectors, compression and various other tricks (published or otherwise) get you down way below the bare sphere critical mass. There has also been some published research on more unusual materials. Israeli research, IIRC on Americium-242m suggests you can get a very small bomb with it for example.

    The smallest admitted US bomb is the Davy Crockett. It’s designer Ted Taylor went on to design even smaller bombs for the propulsion system of Project Orion. The delivery system for these bombs was a modified design for a coca-cola bottle delivery system according to those who worked on the project. Ted Taylor said that the bombs didn’t just exist on paper – they built them. Immediately after Project Orion Ted Taylor went to work directly for the Pentagon.

    So a reasonable guess is that the smallest bomb as of 1965 was somewhere between the size of a coke bottle and the Davy Crockett.

  68. Wikiedia has this to say for what it is worth

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americium

    Such small critical mass is favorable for portable nuclear weapons, but those based on 242m1Am are not known yet, probably because of its scarcity and high price.

  69. I have just been walking on the Downs with my dog seeing the skylarks soar upwards and making their music and thinking of those who did not come back to this country from WWII to hear the skylarks.

  70. Sir Peter Ricketts has been bowing and scraping round the Queen.

    He knows many of the state’s secrets.

    Chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee 2000-2001 Succeeded by Sir John Scarlett

    Director-General, Political of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office 2001-2003 Succeeded by
    Sir John Sawers

    Permanent Representative to the North Atlantic Council (NATO) 2003-2006 Succeeded by
    Stewart Eldon

    Permanent Secretary of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office 2006-2010 Succeeded by
    Simon Fraser

    Prime Minister’s National Security Adviser 2010-2012 Succeeded by Sir Kim Darroch
    British Ambassador to France 2012-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ricketts

  71. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella), when is it your day off from being a dick?

  72. @ falloch

    Wasn’t the Kiwi PM at the time threatened with assassination from a US senator or somebody similar on this matter?

  73. doug scorgie

    6 Jun, 2014 - 5:10 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    5 Jun, 2014 – 5:05 pm

    “This sounds like another of the alibis being prepared for what will probably be a No vote in the referendum. The mesaage being : the Scottish people WOULD have voted Yes HAD IT NOT BEEN for (1) the baised press, (2) the biased BBC, (3) (now) the USA, (4)???etc,n etc, etc.”

    Habbabkuk thinks there is no BBC bias towards a NO vote; nor any other media bias; nor any interference from corporations and the CBI.

    There are no scare stories coming from politicians or Whitehall departments (like the treasury).

    Obama has now (predictably) thrown his weight behind the better together campaign and Habbabkuk still refuses to see it as foreign interference in the internal affairs of the UK.

    Cameron, Clegg and Miliband will welcome that interference because it suits their agenda.

    If Putin had gone to Scotland and made a speech in favour of a YES vote I think Habbabkuk and his slimy friends would be up in arms. Foreign interference!!!

    Bearing in mind that all the main Westminster parties and all government departments in London, including the MOD, Home Office and Foreign Office and the Security Services are out to prevent an independent Scotland by fair means or foul, I see little hope of it happening.

  74. Monsieur Hollande warned of global threats to peace. Hollande is himself a global threat to peace.

    D-Day: Francois Hollande’s plea to fight threats to peace
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27741554

  75. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 6:02 pm

    Mr Scorgie (17h10)

    Thank you for just supplying Alibi N°4.

    I’m sure that you’ll provide a few more before referendum day, Doug.

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 6:04 pm

    Me Scorgie

    “If Putin had gone to Scotland and made a speech in favour of a YES vote I think Habbabkuk and his slimy friends would be up in arms.”
    __________________

    A singularly ill-chosen hypothesis, given Mr Putin’s record in Chechniya.

    Chump!

  77. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 6:07 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “If Putin had gone to Scotland and made a speech in favour of a YES vote I think Habbabkuk and his slimy friends would be up in arms.”
    __________________

    I hadn’t realised that President Obama had gone to Scotland and made a speech there in favour of a NO vote, Doug.

    Can you supply links and sources for that, please?

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 6:09 pm

    Martin

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella), when is it your day off from being a dick?”
    __________________

    It’s the same day of the week when you’re let out into the community on day release, Martin.

    Keep taking the lithium and we’ll get on fine!

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 6:12 pm

    “@ falloch

    Wasn’t the Kiwi PM at the time threatened with assassination from a US senator or somebody similar on this matter?”
    _________________________

    Martin, are you aware that you’re invading Trowbridge’s and John Goss’s space with that comment of yours?

    Did you clear your comment with them first?

  80. Mary (at 4.56 pm) – Having known and liked Peter Ricketts as an FCO colleague(a notably helpful and understanding Assistant Private Secretary to Geoffrey Howe), what his stellar career illustrates is the Darwinian effect of successive governments replacing the pompous but fundamentally honest “public service ethos” with the worship of “management by (politicized) objectives” – rather than by values.

    I have no idea to what extent Peter Ricketts’ promotability involved trimming his own values. Self-censorship often involves saying the acceptable thing for the wrong reason; and it often goes with the position. However, what I find saddest about his career is that it was his (and the 2006 Labour government’s) decision to bring to an end the tradition of retiring Ambassadors circulating as widely as they deemed fit their valedictory despatches at the end of a posting or on retirement. The story had a partial airing at the time on the BBC – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8307273.stm

    Some may have seen it as a quaint and expendable custom. Sometimes it was a licence for settling institutional scores or airing grievances that had festered for years. But it was above all an institutional licence to tell the truth as one saw it. Bringing that tradition to an end seemed to me to give a profoundly depressing message to younger diplomats: “Honesty is not the best policy.” In fact, it is.

  81. ” So a reasonable guess is that the smallest bomb as of 1965 was somewhere between the size of a coke bottle and the Davy Crockett. ”

    It’s not the physical size of the bomb that’s the problem but the power of the detonation. The smallest warhead for the Davy Crocket was rated at 10 to 20 tons of TNT. That wouldn’t just bring down a skyscraper it would level several city blocks and leave masses of easily detected fall out.

  82. So much for Sergey Brin’s knowledge of C20 history.

    ‘Google blunder over D-Day doodle

    Screen grab of Google UK homepage

    Google hurried out a link to material about D-Day beneath its logo

    Google has hurriedly rushed out a link to D-Day material after failing to honour the 70th anniversary in its famous daily doodle.

    Initially the UK homepage of the search engine had a doodle honouring a Japanese Go player.’

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27732237

  83. Iain Obviously I have no knowledge of the UK Ambassador to France but he did appear to be rather obsequious in the clips I saw of him in company with the Queen.

  84. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 7:21 pm

    “Sir Peter Ricketts has been bowing and scraping round the Queen.”

    Followed in short order by

    “Iain Obviously I have no knowledge of the UK Ambassador to France but he did appear to be rather obsequious in the clips I saw of him in company with the Queen.”
    _____________________

    And that’s the nearest anyone will ever get to an apology from Mary on this blog.

  85. “Following a little bit the commemorations at the Normandy beaches today, I am moved by the sacrifices of the Allied troops. It’s ironical to think that they died, indirectly of course, to allow people like Mary, Tony M, Ba’alZievel, Mike, Nevermind, Herbie, Mr Scorgie and so on to pour oit their daily tribute of hate against the UK, their own country.”

    This from a troll who nicley asks how you are, twists your comments and who needs Viagra to stop him pissing on his hobnail boots.

    False teeth that can’t bite,
    Hemorroids that hurt when he shite’s
    a lame cock that does not stand,
    for his little Engeland.

  86. ” I have no knowledge of the UK Ambassador to France but he did appear to be rather obsequious in the clips I saw of him in company with the Queen. ”

    Well she is his boss and with the whole world watching it wouldn’t exactly have added any dignity to the occasion had he ignored her or stood picking his nose whilst she was talking. Kiss the knighthood goodbye as well.

  87. Kempe,

    You can dial the yield down to whatever you want by arranging for a fizzle blast instead of the full blown thing. However that would leave the fallout problem. It would seem to me that you’d need a hypothetical pure (or nearly so) fusion device(s) to keep the fallout down. That would likely leave an excess of tritium which could be detected afterwards. An excess of tritium was found at the twin towers site and that caused a stir at first but that has been put down to radioluminescent emergency exit signs on the planes containing tritium and tritium weapons sights and luminescent watches within the buildings when the planes hit. See https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/241096.pdf . However in the paper they do have to work backwards (or bend over backwards) to estimate the amount of tritium containing devices and assume that must be the cause of the surplus tritium because what else could it be. Their assumptions have been challenged by some but that paper represents the “official” view.

    One further thing we know about the propulsion nukes for Project Orion is that they were working towards a minimal fallout design. Freeman Dyson, Taylor and various other poached physicists and bomb designers were seconded to the project. The dream would have been presumably some kind of micro fusion boosted bomb with as small a fission component as possible. Interestingly Taylor said in interviews in later years that he knew how to build a pure fusion bomb but he wasn’t telling.

    Even more curious is that Ted Taylor describes how terrorists could bring down the Twin Towers with home made nukes in the book “The Curve of Binding Energy” which was published in 1974.

    Ted Taylor had a website which he took down immediately after 9/11 – never to return. I know of no archive of the site. He died in 2004.

    A set of curious coincidences at the very least.

  88. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Jun, 2014 - 8:55 pm

    “False teeth that can’t bite,
    Hemorroids that hurt when he shite’s
    a lame cock that does not stand,
    for his little Engeland.”
    _____________________

    shites, Nebelmind, shites (no apostrophe necessary).

    Speaking of which, here’s a limerick from the great Robert Conquest. I dedicate it to you.

    “A usage that’s seldom got right
    Is when to say shit and when shite,
    And many a chap
    Will fall back on crap,
    Which is vulgar, evasive and trite.”

  89. His cup of vitriol is really overflowing today isn’t it! Perhaps his masters are displeased with him. He really needs a useful job, perhaps like the ones the couple in my post below had, where he could make a contribution.

    ~~~

    I came across this story about a good couple who worked for the wellbeing of others in the early part of the C20, Dr Alfred Salter and his wife Ada. I will be sending a contribution to the fund.

    The Salter Statues Campaign
    http://www.salterstatues.co.uk/

    Ada and Alfred
    http://www.salterstatues.co.uk/?page_id=5

  90. julius+ethel zapfrazz

    6 Jun, 2014 - 9:16 pm

    what Alcanon says is consistent with Busby’s reports on enhanced-radiation weapons deployed by Israel in Palestine and with extant RD. Corroborating documents claimed but not published include http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-nuclear-piracy-exposed/

  91. Resident Dissident

    6 Jun, 2014 - 9:18 pm

    While I can appreciate that many here would be implacably opposed to the US even if Noam Chomsky were its President (funny how he continues to live there despite bad mouthing its every action) perhaps some of our more intelligent brethren might just wish to give Obama some credit for the change he has achieved in the US’s direction of travel – on the other hand the slathering dogs might welcome Bush III or similar.

  92. Resident Dissident

    6 Jun, 2014 - 9:21 pm

    “Well she is his boss and with the whole world watching it wouldn’t exactly have added any dignity to the occasion had he ignored her or stood picking his nose whilst she was talking. Kiss the knighthood goodbye as well.”

    LOL – Lady Dorking is of course an inherited title only the real aristocracy can get away with such behaviour.

  93. A Jordanian prince as UN High Commissioner for Human Rights! I’ve heard it all now.

    Next thing you know they’ll be giving MC Drone King the Nobel Peace Prize…

    MC Drone King and the P-NAC Fluffers.

    I like that. A crooner and his backing singers.

    “In the ghettooooo, and his mama crieeeesssss…”

    Nicey-nice between Vlad and Willy Wonka at Normandy. Cue some extra sanctions from the US to stir the pot, methinks.

    Will the EU follow suit?

    Will Angela tells Barack it’s over?

    Tune in for another episode of “A House Divided” by Reserve Currency Productions…

  94. Resident Dissident

    6 Jun, 2014 - 9:47 pm

    A couple more of Robert Conquest’s limericks

    There once was a fellow called Lenin
    Who did two or three million men in
    That’s a lot to have done in
    But where he did one in
    That old bastard Stalin did ten in

    First puking and mewling
    Then very pissed off with your schooling
    Then fucks and then fights
    Then judging chaps rights
    Then sitting in slippers, then drooling

  95. So, exactly will the US do? the grassroots Yes campaign on the ground is out of anybody’s control. Blair Jenkins admitted that gleefully some months ago. We have more boots on the ground than anybody else and the best evidence and arguments to convert anyone to Yes and the momentum is ours too.

    They have left it a bit late too and doubtless they are taking advice from the UK government who have proved so totally witless in their attempts to persuade us to vote No. They do not understand Scotland and I sincerely doubt the US does either. The astroturf VoteNoBorders adds got booed in cinemas.

    There is also the revelation problem. If we find out they are interfering then there will be a MASSIVE swing to Yes in response AND frosty relations with iScotland from the off. iScotland can ask New Zealand how to handle that sort of relationship as a small nation too.

    Deny us entry to NATO? a lot of Scots do not want to be in it. Also we won’t help patrol the Iceland Gap then (which GB is scandalously not doing at the moment).

    Then there’s other places if they heavy is put on or they are discovered. The Irish won’t like it for one and the Auld Alliance will likely be rekindled too, against a new common foe.

    Alez-Oop! and Bring it on, Pal

  96. Tell you what Craig, you post things you think are done or are caused by the US in this proposal and those of us up here in Scotland can judge them for likelihood. Deal?

  97. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jun, 2014 - 10:19 pm

  98. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    6 Jun, 2014 - 10:52 pm

    “might just wish to give Obama some credit for the change he has achieved in the US’s direction of travel ”

    RD; I think you are a little confused. Obama is first, and foremost a political animal. What has he achieved, other than a cornucopia of cash deliveries to corporates via healthcare mandates? LGBT rights? Everything he does is muted by his deference to his legacy. He is a cold and calculating politico who, in spite of his public persona, relates every decision to the furtherance of the Democratic Party.

    If I could make a comparison, let me ask you a question; If you were up to your neck in shite and someone threw a bucket of snot at you, would you duck and cover?

    Thusly I sum up the difference between the two majority parties in the US.

  99. “If you were up to your neck in shite and someone threw a bucket of snot at you, would you duck and cover?”

    That’s an excellent analogy, Ben! Best one I’ve read yet.

    Live long and prosper, dude.

  100. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jun, 2014 - 12:42 am

    Thanks Mike. It’s taken me a long time to catalogue my one-liners, but I can’t take credit for that one. I got it from a 16 year-old kid who tragically missed the innocence of his ‘yoot’. I, on the other hand, am a slow-learner. :)

  101. Colonial and Corrupt – Time’s up for BBC Scotland
    05 June 2014 22:22
    By G.A.Ponsonby
    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/9292-colonial-and-corrupt-times-up-for-bbc-scotland

    ~~~

    About Us

    Newsnet Scotland was launched on 12th March 2010 by unpaid volunteers from Greenock. The site was set up in order to address what we believed to be an imbalance in the reporting of Scottish News and Current Affairs.

    A not for profit organisation we support major constitutional change for Scotland whether it be full fiscal autonomy, Devolution-Max or full independence.

    The Newsnet Scotland team includes:

    Online Editor and Social Media
    Lynda Williamson – Lynda joined the Newsnet project in early 2011. Lynda divides her time between looking after her family, her small business and Newsnet Scotland.

    Writing
    Paul Kavanagh – Paul is fluent in Spanish and speaks reasonable Catalan, allowing us to report on developments in Spain. He has a long-standing interest in Scottish languages.
    Bob Duncan – Bob writes extensively for Newsnet and has written news pieces as well as opinion pieces.
    Lynn Malone – Lynn is a freelance journalist and also Newsnet Scotland’s features editor.
    Angela Haggerty – Angela is a freelance journalist and writes regularl news articles for Newsnet Scotland.
    Dave Taylor – Former Data Analyst from the west if Scotland, Dave is Newsnet Scotland’s resident polling expert and provides regular expert analysis on polls and surveys, both in terms of occasional articles and advice to the team.

    Other writers include G.A.Ponsonby, Martin Kelly and of course some of Scotland’s most respected journalists and commentators who have written commissioned pieces and also allowed us to reproduce their work for free. We include George Kerevan, Lesley Riddoch, David Torrance, Gerry Hassan and Kenneth Roy in this impressive list.

    Corporate NNS Media Limited is Newsnet Scotland’s not for profit corporate entity.

  102. Subtle bit of anti Putin propaganda here from the BBC. In reality, Putin and Poreshenko look to be of similar height. In this photo at the top of the main page of their website, Putin appears to be much shorter. Pathetic stuff.

    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75366000/jpg/_75366182_75366177.jpg

    Ukraine’s Poroshenko to be sworn in
    Petro Poroshenko is to be sworn in as president of Ukraine, amid hopes the move could help put an end to a fighting in the east of the country.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27745278

  103. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 8:53 am

    “In reality, Putin and Poreshenko look to be of similar height.”

    No they are not as several pictures here demonstrate

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=d+day+poroshenko&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=P8SSU8DQJIjm7AahmIDoCQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1461&bih=765

    Is there no length to which Mary will not go to attack her designated targets?

  104. Salford Lad

    7 Jun, 2014 - 8:53 am

    The US interferes in just about every country worldwide, either politically , financially or military.
    The business of the US is Business.They must be allowed to loot and plunder at will to satisfy their financial class.
    They will not be happy to see Scotland step out of line. Means they have to deal with another National leader apart from the muppet Cameron.
    Expect to see a demonisation programme on Big Eck, and the airing of any dirty laundry, real or invented,possibly the frighteners will go in too,with some kind of false flag operation. ALL standard procedures in the CIA dirty tricks toolbox to destabilise a country.

  105. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 9:01 am

    Not that it matters to me but Putin is of course a little conscious of his height

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2000/mar/23/20000323-011028-2791r/?page=all

  106. This is rich. A breaking news headline on the BBC website. Poreshenko has now been sworn in as President.

    BREAKING NEWS:Ukraine’s President Poroshenko calls on separatists to disarm, offers amnesty to those without blood on their hands.

    How about the Kiev brigade?

  107. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 9:28 am

    Ben and Mike

    I did say some of our more intelligent brethren – your reactions were only to be expected but I hope they made you feel better.

  108. Resident Dissident

    7 Jun, 2014 - 10:30 am

    “Subtle bit of anti Putin propaganda here from the RT. In reality, Putin and Poreshenko look to be of similar height. In this photo at the top of the main page of their website, Putin appears to be much shorter. Pathetic stuff.

    http://rt.com/news/164236-putin-poroshenko-ukraine-bloodshed/

    SNAP!

  109. As Walter Scott might have had one of his Hielan’ Chieftains ask: “What is the disposition of the Redcoats in the Lowlands?”

    Well the regular troops have all mostly been moved en-bloc to Ireland, for fear they might join the revolutionary movement. That just leaves the Praetorian Guard, a grisly bunch of stuffed and mounted Tories, and it’s their marching season, a sort of combination of a camp medieval re-enactment of nothing in particular of note, a Miss world contest for thick and ugly blokes, all mixed in equal amounts with a Masonic initiation and an unruly Orange walk. Of which hollow show of reactionary force there can be nothing to fear, centuries of inbreeding has left them physically weak and their mental powers, starting from an inherited low have like declined. These limitations, combined with pub landlords scandalously over-serving them with curdled drink laced with homeopathic amounts of alcohol, must hinder their effectiveness in paralysing movement in, out or through Border towns, but conversely loosens the riders internal movements. Loose bowels, equine or human are no handicap, as they do not need to dismount to evacuate numbers one or two and the resultant effluvia mingles with that of the excitable nags, forming an unlovely aroma and risk of epidemic; mountains of excrement not seen fouling the streets anywhere else in Britain, since the 1930s, have been a feature of the Borders since some Tory councillor in the 1970s, following a cerebral seizure had the execrable idea of of re-inventing long dead ‘traditions’ he dreamed of in his fit, and presumed the power to reinstate them.

    So it came to pass that the local nobs and hooray henrys, worthy cretins and new-spawned Thatcherite yuppie contingent began every summer to veer along the roads in large numbers, ineptly on horseback, immune to traffic laws, neither giving way, yielding or ever in anything approximating control of their temperamental nags, they scorn and burn the ‘satanic’ Highway Code, and in total disregars proceed to charge in a series of diagonal lines from one kerb to the other, snarling at passers-by and scaring babies in prams, in unseemly but shamelss celebration these same nobs’ ancestors theft of the surrounding Common lands from the people, whilst the descendants of those thus dispossessed line the streets to gawp, open-mouthed at first in disbelief, but increasingly to jeer and protest the grievous inconvenience, economic cost and cheek of the whole antedeluvian spectacle. There is a studied avoidance by the wise and wary from places afar which renders the whole region a no-go no-mans land of congested traffic, frustration, anger and quickened revolutionary fervour amongst those affected, and too, a great exodus of the repulsed locals amid a precautionary boarding up of windows by those trapped behind. I think though there is nothing to fear from them but hot-air and wind. In the eastward parts of Dumfries and Galloway, the middle and east Marches, in the disputed lands, the situation is every bit the same, but the resistance is inexplicably cowed.

  110. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Jun, 2014 - 3:21 pm

    Question to all

    Is “Tony M” the reincarnation of the late, unlamented Fedup (minus the effing and blinding)?

    Mary , you’ve a lively curiosity about the identity of commenters. Any thoughts?

  111. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jun, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    “How about the Kiev brigade?”

    Kyev announced an impartial inquiry by the Prosecutor to not only gather evidence on Odessa, but will transparently release their unbiased findings to the Public, Mary.

    We await with bated breath.

  112. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jun, 2014 - 3:53 pm

    “The US interferes in just about every country worldwide…”

    It’s not personal, just bizness.

  113. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jun, 2014 - 4:00 pm

    RD; Washington Times?

    Putin may have a bit of Napoleon in his demeanor and behavior, but shall we also post their cartoons of Obama with satellite-dish ears?

  114. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jun, 2014 - 4:07 pm

    Poroshenko inaugurated. http://www.oaoa.com/news/world/article_9a240052-da11-5384-995e-2ea27d134934.html

    Promises amnesty to those who lay down arms and have no blood on their hands.

    If they don’t have bloody hands, why do they need amnesty?

  115. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jun, 2014 - 4:18 pm

    The Fix is in….http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38727.htm

    “The anti-Chinese and anti-Russian propaganda howl is reaching a deafening crescendo, especially in Asia. Western media outlets are in the highest gear, spreading propaganda through both their own outlets and through their local media affiliates in the client states, mostly owned by big business.

    China and Russia are now vilified, openly insulted, and blamed for the escalation of tensions in the Asia-Pacific region, and for the military build up. The entire mighty Western propaganda machine is now at work, demonizing China, Russia and other independent countries.”

    The good old days are here again. Jihadists are so abstract. The Cold War is back. Ez pz.

  116. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jun, 2014 - 4:38 pm

    Is Rouhani a reformer? Bet you didn’t see this story in the MSM.

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/06/iranian-politics-dispute.html

    “During a public speech late last month, however, President Rohani called for more freedom and rights for Iranians and less state intervention in their lives. “Let people relax. Let people be mentally healthy. Do not interfere so much in the people’s lives even for sympathy,” the cleric-president said on May 24. “Let people choose their own path to heaven. We cannot send people to heaven by force or the lash.”

    The reference to lashing was a not-so-subtle nod to the punishment commonly carried out for drinking, partying, and other violations of Islamic laws over the past three decades.”

  117. @mike, the new human rights commissioner is not some random Jordanian. He’s done humanitarian relief work on the ground and he was president of the ICC assembly of states parties. He gets a lot of the credit for writing aggression into criminal law. The interesting thing about this appointment is having somebody in the UNHCR slot who knows both human rights and humanitarian law. This is emblematic of the new era where human rights moves from finger-wagging at states toward prosecution of specific criminals. He might be a good guy to have around if you want to enforce the right to peace against aggressor states.

  118. OOps! Recovery? What recovery?

    European Central Bank Goes Sub Zero
    Mike Whitney

    June 07, 2014 “ICH” – “Counterpunch” – On Thursday, European Central Bank chief Mario Draghi dropped rates on overnight deposits to minus 0.1% thereby charging commercial banks to keep their money at the ECB. The move, which was applauded by the media as a “historic measure to fight deflation”, is nothing of the kind. Negative rates have been used in both Sweden and Denmark in recent years, but to little effect. The policy will not “get the banks lending again” as the ECB suggests, nor will it ease the high unemployment and slow growth that have plagued the Eurozone for the last six years. In truth, the rate change will have no impact at all. It’s merely public relations stunt designed to create the impression that the ECB is aggressively addressing the crisis for which it is largely responsible. Here’s how the World Socialist Web Site summed it up:

    “The move is an expression of the fact that, nearly six years since the collapse of Lehman Brothers, the world economy remains mired in deep crisis, for which the world’s central banks have no solution outside of pumping trillions into banks and financial firms. While trillions are handed out to the banks, workers throughout the continent are told that there is “no money” to pay for pensions, social programs, and healthcare benefits.” (European Central Bank cuts interest rate below zero, World Socialist Web Site)

    Stock traders loved the news that the ECB was going “sub zero”. As we’ve seen before, any indication that the easy money regime is here-to-stay is enough to send equities skyrocketing, which it did. All the main indices notched substantial gains on the day while the SandP 500 surged to a new record of 1,940.

    The idea that charging the banks a small fee on overnight deposits will induce them to lend more freely, demonstrates a laughable misunderstanding of how the system really works. Banks don’t need piles of reserves to issue loans. What they need is creditworthy customers and strong demand. But, of course, demand is weak because the ECB has taken steps to keep the EU in a permanent state of Depression through its austerity policies. What this shows, is that the objectives of the class war precede the requirements for a healthy economy. Draghi and his cohorts would rather decimate the welfare state and reduce EU working people to abject poverty, then implement the policies that would generate a strong economic recovery. ‘

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    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38725.htm

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    Any further news on Madame Lagarde IMF on those charges?

    I always want to type Defarge!

    She is in a long list here. ‘Meanwhile, the French politician and IMF chief Christine Lagarde is “under interrogation” in a financial misconduct case.’

    The EU resembles a criminal organisation. Its supporters – including Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg – are compromising their integrity
    By Peter Oborne
    May 20th, 2014
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100272263/the-eu-resembles-a-criminal-organisation-its-supporters-including-ed-miliband-and-nick-clegg-are-compromising-their-integrity/

  119. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    7 Jun, 2014 - 6:32 pm

    LeGarde seems to have escaped to some degree. She still has special status however, kinda like paid leave.

  120. “Ukrainian levels”? Oh, I get it. An American invasion of an independent Scotland and a referendum in which 99% decide to become the 51st State. :)

  121. PS. No need to invade England since it is a good pal of the US anyway.

  122. “He might be a good guy to have around if you want to enforce the right to peace against aggressor states.”

    Unless the aggressor is the US, Kli, launching the next phase of its Syria operation from Jordanian soil. Two massive “exercises” held there in the last 6-10 months, with a lot of the kit and personnel still in situ. I daresay they will start probing the Syrian border around Deraa this summer, while keeping East Ukraine on simmer.

  123. And he hits another home run.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/06/06/lies-grow-audacious-paul-craig-roberts/

    What’s the difference between Obama and Bush? It’s a serious question. One’s tall and black and the other…isn’t. Is that it?

    Obama is a better salesman for the same horror, that’s all. When the going gets tough, put a black guy in the white house and call it a revolution. It worked, for about six months. That was long enough to make people forget Bush.

    If you look closely at David Cameron, you can see the air get pumped back into him when he starts to deflate.

  124. funny you should mention Syrian aggression, Mike, as Putin stopped that once, partly with swarm-targeted Sunburns but partly by beating obama over the head with the definition of aggression. Humanitarian law and the big stick, it’s a potent combination, particularly now as treaty bodies, charter bodies, and special procedures are ganging up on the US for other violations of jus cogens. Even if that can’t fully protect Syria, it might accomplish something else, like maybe crack the UNSC open. or shore up the ICC.

    Thanks for the heads-up to new PCR.

  125. American interference in the independence referendum is an interesting line of enquiry worth pursuing. I would guess that if the anticipated outcome remains too uncertain, then covert US efforts to facilitate the ‘democratic’ process must be presumed to be in the works. Similarly, if there are any foreign interests in a possible UK split, we might just as well expect meddling from that quarter too.

  126. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/06/06/lies-grow-audacious-paul-craig-roberts/

    Complete and utter rubbish.

    The Allied army that went ashore on D-Day was the world’s largest liberating force because the Soviet army invading from the east was not a liberating force but another army of conquest and oppression; unless you believe that being raped 20 times a day is a liberating experience.

    If there was little to oppose the Allies as Roberts claims why did it take the Allies 11 months to fight their way into Germany at a cost of nearly 800,000 casualties, 196,000 of them killed?

  127. Kempe, Be assured the Allied armies were bent on conquest and oppression too, but if you’re arguing semantically from a position of weakness, the Red Army were ‘Allied’ too.

    Authoritative German sources after the war said the West could have knocked Germany out of the war completely, stopped dead almost every industrial process, in 1940, if they’d targeted the country’s electricity production and distribution facilities and network, there’s no question they had the capability as the thousand bomber raids on urban-poor working class homes prove, and no doubt would have been made aware of this extreme vulnerability from German sources during the war, and MEW, the Ministry of Economic Warfare should and almost certainly did work this out for themselves, it was their official primary function. Targetting was far from optimal, e.g. the Ford truck plant at Cologne survived completely unscathed, never once hit by anything, never actually targetted, absolutely pristine, though even blind saturation bombing couldn’t have failed to hit it, the plant was fully operational, but almost all of the surrounding city districts’ dwellings were nothing but rubble. A Ford plant in France was bombed by the RAF before America entered the war, and the Americans went ape-shit, it was soon running again and thereafter it was sacrosanct, though it could have been totally razed at any time, daily, but continued like Cologne to pour out hundreds of thousands of trucks and light armoured cars for the Nazis, serenly exempted from any hindrance.

    Many of the Atlantic Wall/coastal defenders were old infirm or injured men, commanding others like themselves and a great many, at times disloyal, insubordinate and untrained non-German conscripts from the captured eastern territories, some of whom were deserting and drifting back homewards, others reluctant to go back for fear of the Russian’s Commissars, were only too willing to surrender to the US-aligned forces.

    The allied conduct of the war leaves a lot to be desired, inexplicably sub-optimal and unnecessarily bloody in so many ways, there are too many loose ends and unanswered questions, contradictions and inconsistencies, no understanding of it can possibly be attained by your Pollyanna repetition of badly aged but back then expeditious fishy tales, culled from now hilarious seeming and unsophisticated baldly disingenuous newsreel over-simplifications, and atrocious atrocity legends, spun for the manipulable masses.

  128. I learnt of Peter Dale Scott from previous posts on an earlier thread this site. He is a poet and former Canadian diplomat who has written on the deep state / deep politics, and if you haven’t read him then do as he is worth reading.

  129. Tony; where did you find that load of rubbish? The (non-Russian) Allies oversaw free elections and withdrew from any administrative control of the territories they had occupied. The Soviets remined in de-facto control until the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    Suggestions that bomber command deliberately avoided damaging specific factories is laughable. The technology available in 1941 made it difficult enough to find and hit a target the size of a city, particularly at night, let alone pick out individual factories or power plants. Bombs frequently landed one and a half miles away from where they were aimed.

    Allied forces in Normandy were confronted by crack SS Divisions, some transferred from the Eastern Front, who fought with the same savagery as they had against the Russians. Summary executions of PoWs was distressingly common.

    Please dump David Irving and read some proper history.

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