Lord Byron, Terrorist

by craig on June 24, 2014 9:43 am in Uncategorized

The brief wave of Islamic terrorism in the UK followed our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, and effectively stopped when those occupations ended. In every case of actual terrorist attack, the terrorists involved cited those invasions as a key part of their motive. There may yet be another residual attack, but as a campaign it is over, and historical perspective will show it related purely to our invasion of Islamic lands.

Yet we have suffered a week of media propaganda aimed at repeating the mantra that Isis’ success in Iraq will lead to terrorist attacks in the UK. The only apparent purpose of this mantra is to justify some degree of US/UK intervention in Iraq’s current civil war. As it was the US/UK invasion which caused this civil war in the first place, this is ironic. As any form of UK intervention is the only thing that might in fact provoke Iraq related terrorist attacks in the UK, it is a crazed argument; the absolute opposite of the truth.

The brief period of Islamic linked terrorism in the UK killed about eighty people – a tiny percentage of those who died in the UK from Irish linked violence in the 70’s and 80’s – but had two disproportionately dreadful effects. The first was a massive reduction in civil liberties in the UK. The second was the spawning of a vast and parasitic security industry, both within government, and in the private sector but government funded.

The patent absence of any genuine Islamic terrorism in the UK to fight is an obvious threat to the funding of this huge industry. Hence the current hype about the threat from Birmingham school governors or British residents fighting in Iraq and Syria. We have the usual propagandists for this threat thrust upon the airwaves again – Frank “Goebbels” Gardner and even the utterly discredited “Quilliam Foundation” who have been back on the BBC. At the moment they are peddling the utterly untrue line that 9% of those who travel from the UK to participate in fighting abroad, on return get involved in terrorist activity in the UK. Frank Gardner has been repeating this ad nauseam.

This claim is absolutely unfounded. It is brought to you by the same people who claim there are 4,000 active terrorists in the UK, or that MI5 foiled 34 active terrorist plots.

How gullible do you have to be to believe that in the last seven years this 4,000 committed terrorists in the UK, with their 34 active plots, managed to kill nobody at all, except for the two deranged and utterly disorganised Nigerians who murdered the unfortunate Lee Rigby? The other 3,998 must be the world’s least productive terrorists. Surely between 3,998 fanatical and committed murderous terrorists they could at least have injured somebody? The truth is that in the last seven years Irish political violence has again killed more people in the UK than Islamist political violence.

If you have 4,000 totally non-productive fantasy terrorists, then it is not surprising that you think that one in nine of those who go to fight abroad are involved in such “terrorism” in the UK. In fact, the terrorist threat in the UK is miniscule and the entire narrative is a nonsense. You have a much greater chance of drowning in your own bath than of being killed by a terrorist. The death of Gerald Conlon should be a sobering reminder of the willingness of English juries to make completely improbable terrorist convictions on the say-so of the authorities.

There has probably not been a war abroad in the last two hundred years in which some UK resident did not go and fight. The BBC and Sky news headline today is about someone from Aberdeen who went to fight for Isis. That is meant to terrify us about terrorism here.

Nonsense.

Somebody else from Aberdeen went to fight in a war abroad. George Gordon, Lord Byron, went to fight for the Greek revolt against Ottoman rule, and died of fever in a Balkan swamp. (Under Blair’s “anti-terror” legislation, that would have made Byron guilty of terrorism in the UK). In the same decade George De Lacey Evans went to fight for the Spanish Infanta against her uncle. Several Britons including David Urquhart fought against the Russian invasion of Circassia. I am talking in all these cases of politically motivated volunteers, not mercenaries. A number of British residents fought in the Franco-Prussian war. Several Britons fought for the Confederates in the US civil war – almost certainly some fought for the Union as well, but I can’t claim to know of them. Garibaldi had a Welsh officer called Griffiths. We should all be terrifically proud of the Britons in the International Brigades in Spain. British residents fought on all sides in the recent civil wars in the Balkans. I should be astonished if some British residents of Ukrainian and Russian heritage had not gone to join militias there at present.

Nor should we forget that the same political establishment which so deplores Britons going abroad to fight, has legalised, massively encouraged and financed the mercenary activities of hired killers like Tim Spicer and Tony Buckingham. The hypocrisy is rank and stinking.

The dreadful violence and destruction the West has inflicted and promoted in recent years in its efforts to gain control of the mineral resources of the Middle East continues to play out. Those who see communities with which they identify abroad engaged in military conflict will always produce a small number of people going to join the fight. This is in no sense unusual, and in no sense a threat to ordinary citizens in the UK. The link to terrorism here is entirely a fiction. The unfortunate thing is that the mainstream media allows no outlet for people to mock its false assertions and point out its sinister agenda.

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183 Comments

  1. So whose profits does ISIS in Iraq threaten?

  2. Craig you are a shining light on the dark underworld of the criminals in power. Your insightful blog needs as much exposure as possible. Please could you add a share this widget to your blog. I would like to share your posts with my 5000 twitter followers and I’m sure many other readers would like to spread the word too

  3. Mods

    Can anyone implement Adrian’s suggestion?

  4. craigmurray.org.uk

    24 Jun, 2014 - 10:18 am

    Good suggestion.

  5. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    24 Jun, 2014 - 10:21 am

    Playing devils advocate, these young men have made up their mind to, in some cases leave their families in secret, to die abroad fighting for some goal in the middle east more important to them then their own life’s with little regard given to their family at home.

    Fine by me, but when they are weary of the blood they spilled for some Saudi prince, why should they be allowed back to infuse others with tales of heroics?
    Have they themselves not made a case and reasoned argument for not letting them go back to Aberdeen? or wherever.

    you fight for Saudi Arabian princes and survived it, now go live in Saudi under their system.

  6. A wonderfully erudite essay, the content of which gives us the truth.

    I still deeply regret that the electorate of Norwich North chose a non- entity instead of Craig. Think of the contribution he could have made to our country as an independent MP and how he would have enlivened and greatly improved the currently dismal proceedings in the HoC.

  7. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 10:25 am

    It all takes the spotlight off our fucked economy and the consequences thereof, doesn’t it?
    I’m thinking the government is a good deal more scared of general unrest at home than it likes to let on. A bit of divisive dog-whistle politics and ever-enhanced security (plainly all-embracing, not directed) can’t hurt. And as you say, the security industry can only benefit, ditto the finance houses.

    What of the 400? While I’m a bit dubious when you suggest that anyone voluntarily entering a warzone isn’t pretty strongly motivated, let’s say that only half have been successfully indoctrinated, and the rest are in it for shits ‘n giggles. The fundies will be happy to go to Paradise, and maybe half of them will succeed in this. Of the rest, if no-one’s offering them cash to stay, they’ll be happy to go back – if they go back – and get their MBA’s and ChB’s somewhere they don’t have to live in a trench with sandflies. If our system.s that good, they will recognise its advantages. Is it? Ah, that’s another question.

  8. Not forgetting this dreadful construct of Brown’s, Armed Forces Day 28 June 2014.

    A special flag is flying over central and local government buildings and on Saturday there are march pasts and there is CoE involvement in accompanying services.

    http://news.surreycc.gov.uk/2014/06/23/surrey-ceremony-kicks-off-armed-forces-week/

    I honour the men and women of my father’s and grandfather’s generation for their parts in the two defensive wars but that’s it. Certainly no commemoration of the 52 (I think I read) actions that this country has been involved in since 1945 can be justified.

    Absolutely bloody sickening. Shades of the Limp Ics even. Note the ‘goodies’.
    http://www.armedforcesday.org.uk/supporting/buy_afd_goodies.aspx

    http://www.armedforcesday.org.uk/

  9. Another excellent piece Craig. Keep them coming. I also echo the calls above for a “Share” widget (twitter and facebook). With the ever increasing MSM blackout of anything that shows our masters for who they really are it’s vital that contributions such as your own are shared far and wide on social media.

  10. Adrian

    There is a “tweet” button at the bottom of Craig’s post. (And one for Facebook)

  11. The Medialens editors on Ms Maitlis’s contribution to the war on terrrrrr.

    You didn’t hear this on Newsnight
    Posted by The Editors on June 24, 2014, 8:42 am
    Emily Maitlis introduces Newsnight:

    ‘They’re young, British and fighting for the US. Who’s persuading teenagers from Coventry to fly to Iraq and pursue imperialism? We ask their parents.’

    No, I must have misheard that. Correction:

    ‘They’re young, British and fighting for Isis. Who’s persuading teenagers from Coventry to fly to Syria and pursue jihad? We ask their parents.’

    That makes more sense, right? As if the BBC would ever adopt the first approach above. ‘Balance’ means you don’t get to see that happen!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0486cm7/newsnight-23062014

    I understand that her guests were an Imam, Lord Carlile (no comment possible for fear of legal action) and an Arab observer who had been a ‘jihadist’ himself.

    Maitlis is acting political editor on Newsnight pending the return of Allegra Statton from maternity leave. Stratton was on the foreign desk at the Times and is married to James Forsyth political editor Spectator!

    Their first child is named Vaughn Casper Stratton Forsyth. Poor kid going through life in the C21 with that handle.

  12. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    24 Jun, 2014 - 10:55 am

    ‘So whose profits does ISIS in Iraq threaten?’

    Good question, Clark, as ISIS is a construct of Saudi paid mercenaries and some hopefull jihadies persuaded to leave their families.

    So Saudi interest are not our interests? We do like a little chaos and division for our own business to flourish, but Saudi taking control and marching on Iran, just when we trying to make peace with(get more oil out of)Iran.

    Isis, imho is threatening the profits of multinationals already involved in Iraq and hence our control over politicians who say Yes. Maliki’s tribal exascerbations were never going to work, it was clear that he could not run a Shia only Government, so Kerry’s urgent noises now, when the brown matter has finally hit the fan, are somewhat ancient, were predictable.

  13. craigmurray.org.uk

    24 Jun, 2014 - 10:59 am

    Adrian, are the buttons Dreoilin pointed out what you want?

  14. No irony.

    The Queen meets Northern Ireland’s First Minister and Deputy First Minister as she visits an ex-jail where 25,000 were imprisoned.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1288105/ex-inmates-show-queen-around-the-crum

    Amazing what people will do for a shake of the royal {gloved) hand.

  15. Cheers Craig. When Cressida Dick pops up as some kind of bloody expert you know it’s time to stop listening – useless would be an improvement.

  16. Two other examples come to mind.

    Future Poet Laureate Alfred Tennyson and his friend Arthur Henry Hallam,whose death was the inspiration for ‘In Memoriam’, carried money and secret instructions to General Torrijos during the first Carlist War.

    ( Imagine the BBC’s report: The question being asked in the quiet Lincolnshire village of Sommersby is : how did these Cambridge undergraduates, one the Rector’s son, become involved with traditionalist Catholic violence?”)

    The second example is my late ex-wife’s great-great-grandfather, a seaman from Portsmouth, who jumped ship in an American port during the Civil War and joined the Northern Navy.

    Discharged following an accident in which his hand was crushed by a swivel on Chesapeake Bay he returned home.He received a US pension until his death in about 1930 and was buried under the US flag in Milton Cemetery.

  17. “Isis, imho is threatening the profits of multinationals already involved in Iraq”

    So far they’ve kept clear of the oil-fields so multinational profits are unaffected. In fact the oil price has increased. There have been attacks on refineries but these only produce gasoline for the domestic market.

    Iranian long-term interests are certainly threatened. Iran is planning to build a gas pipeline to serve the European market. It will go across Iraq and terminate at the mediterranean coast in Syria. Can’t see that happening with all this kerfuffle going on.

    I don’t call them ISIS. I call them the BSI (Bankster Street Irregulars).

  18. my blogpost> Isis ? What Crisis ? bit.ly/1yAYE03

    http://xtcuk.wordpress.com/2014/06/22/isis-what-crisis/

  19. New details emerge on Aberdeen jihadist
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-27994085

    Father: Teenager fighting in Syria was ‘radicalised by imam’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27989893

    Third jihadist in Isis video from Aberdeen
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27987594

    Jihadists all over the BBC website today.

    They are also reporting 1,000 deaths in Iraq so far this month.
    More than 1,000 people have been killed in Iraq between 5 and 22 June, most of them civilians, the UN says.

    PS O/T Rebekah Brooks not guilty of phone hacking. Coulson guilty. Kuttner not guilty. Brooks seems to have got off on all charges. Surprise! Surprise!

  20. Craig wrote:

    This claim is absolutely unfounded. It is brought to you by the same people who claim there are 4,000 active terrorists in the UK, or that MI5 foiled 34 active terrorist plots.

    Security services operate with no effective official public oversight whatsoever; their claims and allegations, by definition, cannot be challenged because the evidence necessary to do so is officially secret.

    Theoretically, “press freedom” within democracies should confer the protection of healthy scepticism. But the “news” media, both state-controlled and commercial, mostly do the opposite, repeating and amplifying unsubstantiated pronouncements without challenge. This is to be expected even in the commercial sector, where juicy tid-bits from shady “experts” confer an air of “insider knowledge” upon a paper and hence its readers – ultimately an appeal to readers’ vanity.

    Security services have thus come to occupy uniquely privileged positions within state apparatus. Now let’s all watch the drama 24 to assuage our conscience about torture.

  21. sir peter fahy could not defend or verify the 500 claimed radicalised. he could only say there were 30 plus known in an interview on lbc radio interview.

  22. James Brooke the White Rajah of Sarawak

  23. “The unfortunate thing is that the mainstream media allows no outlet for people to mock its false assertions and point out its sinister agenda.”

    I totally agree. Unfortunately it happens here too from time to time, as when somebody criticises homosexuality for entering the political sphere. For example, the term ‘Sodomite’ is historically established from the Bible as meaning those that practice sexual perversion; and the people that refer to the ‘meaning’ of words from within the Bible, are not necessarily religious, or bigoted, themselves. Whereas those that censor for the use of such words, in accord to their political stance, are wholly bigoted.

    Before you can lecture others about the freedom to scrutinise false claims, you must first show willingness to curtail all censorship from those that claim to help this site.

  24. Classic tabloid stuff. What MI5 claimed was that “there are up to 4,000 active terrorists and supporters of terror” in the UK. It’s certain sections of the media that have inflated this to “4,000 terrorists”. Of course the phrase “up to” clearly includes the number 0 but if just one bloke was prepared to blow himself up whilst 3,999 stood around applauding the claim would still be correct.

    I would suggest that there is a considerable difference between going to fight in defence of a legitimate government and seeking to overthrow one. If there’s a danger from returning fighters it’s not so much that they’ve been radicalised but that they’ll have undergone some form of military training which might make them half way competent. If we’ve had few successful terror attacks since 2001 we seem to have had a few hair-breadths escapes; and no thanks to the police or MI5.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22344054

  25. Lawrence of Arabia

  26. I think the relatives of the deceased Jean Charles de Menezes would see Operation Kratos as one of the ‘successful terror attacks since 2001′.

  27. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 1:02 pm

    Perhaps none of this would have happened if he’d had his way…

    http://www.cliohistory.org/thomas-lawrence/paris/

  28. The British called their opponents in India ‘Fanatics’.
    The real problem is not what the UK government tells its domestic audience about Islam, or what the domestic audience think about Islam. The purpose of the labelling is to divide and rule, by dividing the good Muslims, who smile sweetly and clap their local MPs and stick leaflets in the doors for them and say nothing about UK foreign policy, and the bad Muslims who refuse to shut up.

    Treats and rewards are available for the silent, positions of respect and seats on councils, acceptance of bribes for restaurant licences and dodgier things than that. The silent ones have to be seen to put clear green water between themselves and the outspoken seekers after truth. The green water of the canal, and it stinks.

  29. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    24 Jun, 2014 - 1:20 pm

    Coulson guilty! Woman who shared a ride with Cameron is innocent as the red snow.

  30. “Coulson guilty!”

    Yes, prosecuted under section 1 of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (“RIPA”).

  31. Brooks found not guilty ffs!!
    Location of skeletons equates to a get out of jail card.

  32. Agent Cameron is very very humble in the manner of Uriah Heep and admits to making a big mistake in employing Coulson. He has been and is tarnished by association with these low lifes.

  33. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 1:46 pm

    And her twat husband gets off too. Big party in Chipping Norton tonight. Look out for Cam and Sam…

  34. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 Jun, 2014 - 1:59 pm

    “Agent Cameron is very very humble in the manner of Uriah Heep and admits to making a big mistake in employing Coulson.”
    _____________________

    Another monumental bit of nauseating hypocrisy from the troll-sniffing Bitch.

    Had Cameron said nothing, he would have been accused of arrogance. But as he did say something, he’s accused of being like Uriah Heep.

    That sort of hypocrisy is sooooo Labour (Old and Nu). :)

  35. sorry still o/t

    Craig’s previous on the flame haired temptress.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=rebekah+brooks

    On topic too in a way. Remember Gotcha and all the Murdoch propaganda for the war on terrrrrrr?

  36. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 Jun, 2014 - 2:05 pm

    Still no answer from California Ben and the Adult Celtic Poetaster to the following rather simple question :

    “Just to be able to evaluate your bona fides, so to speak – apart from frequently sounding off on this blog (and perhaps on others), what do you do in concrete and practical terms to support the Palestinian cause and help the Palestinian people?”

    Other Israel-haters and Palestinian supporters feel free to join in!

    *******************

    Habbabkuk says : being a keyboard hero is easy (and anonymous).

  37. No party political affiliations for me EVER thank you Habbakuk.

  38. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 2:16 pm

    SORREEE, peasants! (Ask Natasha to polish my best shoes, Sam – we’ll pop off early to Chippers)

  39. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 2:16 pm

  40. Mary, what was the point you were trying to make regarding HM’s visit to the Crumlin Road Gaol?

  41. Habbakuk No comments on Craig’s latest post?? Surely you must have something to say about the war on terrrrrr before you head off to Chipping Norton for the celebrations. Not too far for you to travel?

  42. Work it out Anon.

  43. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 2:25 pm

    Treats and rewards are available for the silent, positions of respect and seats on councils, acceptance of bribes for restaurant licences and dodgier things than that. The silent ones have to be seen to put clear green water between themselves and the outspoken seekers after truth.

    I am all for outspoken seekers after truth. But the ones who think they’ve found the unique and exclusive truth, and propose to shoot me if I don’t believe it myself, worry me, I have to admit. And advocates of a larger Sunni caliphate don’t seem a lot different in substance from advocates of American hegemony. Only less tolerant still of dissent.

  44. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 2:34 pm

    OT, sorry, but here is the acid test of Blair’s effectiveness as Quartet envoy: is anyone at all listening to him? –

    http://english.wafa.ps/index.php?action=detail&id=25608

    “I am deeply troubled by the ongoing events in Israel and the Palestinian territories, including the deaths of Palestinian civilians, and the wide-scale arrests.”

    “Israel must act with restraint when operating in populated Palestinian areas – including Gaza – and ensure that civilians are not harmed. Steps must also be taken to limit restrictions on movement and access in the West Bank,” he stated.

    Now see the moving banner head of the same page for the Israeli response.

    Louder, Tony.

  45. “I am talking in all these cases of politically motivated volunteers, not mercenaries.”

    How many in Iraq/Syria/Ukraine at present from the UK, is hard to guess, I’m sure the authorities have a fair idea. 250 possibly. They should know, they recruited them.

    This interesting blog breaks down the ISIS rabble as: “mercenaries, private military contractors, intelligence operatives, thrill-seekers and deluded zealots, hoodwinking the desperate and vulnerable subjects of social immiseration; a paramilitary force that is by no means autogenous and whose social condition is reliant upon the imperial class that has engineered and now sustains it.”

    http://notthemsmdotcom.wordpress.com/2014/06/18/isis-an-expression-of-imperialism-in-iraq/

    The new danger Gardner suggests then lies in the deluded zealots, as the private military contractors, intelligence operatives and mercenaries have always been regarded as loose cannons, mad bad and dangerous to know. The zealots (the thrill-seekers being contented with an occasional go on the Big Dipper at Blackpool) are a small minority overall and only a portion of whom will not close that chapter of their life upon return, and will be problem of re-integration, but will not be reliving their terror glory days, might rather instead be ostracised and ashamed, and as the manner and consequences of how they were used and their crimes, sinks in, should be. Every death in Syria and Iraq attributable to them should be laid at their door in open court, if they think they’re immune, they’ll be in for a shock and if provably involved in killings, in many cases it will be unquestionable, they will duly be incarcerated and thus pose little risk, only a greater financial burden, unless the Saudis or tottering-US empire wish to meet these ‘socialised’ costs of their proxy wars.

    The real danger lies in those so involved being entrapped by the security services to subsequently do their bidding, on some other matters closer to home. The security services hype has all the ingredients of a self-fulfilling prophecy, for which they will exert themselves to prove themselves ‘right’, hell if all else they can always frame one of these mugs, for their own vile handiwork. They proudly boast that they ‘make reality’.

    For public safety and avoidance of future such dilemmas, I suggest those state-backed agencies who recruited for and facilitated their Grand Tour of the hotspots, be brought to book, the terror apparatus of the redundant NATO and the Saudi despot run GCC be disbanded.

  46. Mary,

    I get the point about irony etc. I was more interested in the remark, ‘amazing what people will do for a shake of the royal {gloved) hand.’ It is significant progress that a former terrorist commander and HMQ can meet, shake hands and enjoy a civil conversation. It is a shame that some of their followers, former followers in Marty’s case, are unwilling to follow their lead and hold out the hand of friendship to the other side.

  47. doug scorgie

    24 Jun, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    Liam Fox is back: The security services need more powers to create a fascist police state.

    “The whole area of intercept needs to be looked at. We have got a real debate, and it’s a genuine debate in a democracy, between the libertarians who say the state must not get too powerful and pretty much the rest of us who say the state must protect itself.”

    “You have people at the moment, in light of Snowden, saying the state has too many powers, we have to restrict the powers of the state. We’d better start to reconsider that.”

    “There are those who say if we don’t get involved, if we hunker down, then we will be fine. There will be no backlash. That is utterly, utterly wrong because the Jihadists don’t hate us because of what we do. They hate us because of who we are. We can’t change that. It is our values and our history that they detest more than anything else.”

    Daily Telegraph (Mon 23rd June 2014)

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 Jun, 2014 - 3:04 pm

    Mary

    “No party political affiliations for me EVER thank you Habbakuk.”
    ________________

    No, I wasn’t trying to say your were Labour (Old or Nuuuu). What I meant was is that your line appears to be the very convenient one of damning someone you don’t like if he does and damning him if he doesn’t. So we’re talking about an attitude of mind here, and it’s an attitude you share with Labour.

    Hope that clarifies.

  49. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 Jun, 2014 - 3:07 pm

    The Gerbil has emerged from its hiding place, questions put to him conveniently forgotten (the post at 15h03 refers).

  50. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    24 Jun, 2014 - 3:22 pm

    It’s bad luck to kill an albatross.

  51. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 3:24 pm

    That would sound better if Liam were a little more transparent about his own connections, eh, Doug?…
    Old example:
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/oct/26/donor-liam-fox-defence-lobbyist-stephen-crouch

    Wonder what Tony Buckingham’s up to these days?

  52. What happens when someone who goes to fight comes back?
    His mum and dad get him married off to anyone they can find to stop him going off again.
    He gets a Job, has babies. And then is too busy with all that stuff to do anything much ever again.

    That or he doesn’t come back. If “they win” in Iraq. The British boys will marry Iraqi girls. And live there for the rest of their lives. The will have kids, get jobs and will not dream of ever coming back here ever again.

  53. Anne Field: a very interesting and well-researched article. Thanks for that.

    http://xtcuk.wordpress.com/2014/06/22/isis-what-crisis/

  54. doug scorgie

    24 Jun, 2014 - 4:00 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 Jun, 2014 – 3:07 pm

    “The Gerbil has emerged from its hiding place, questions put to him conveniently forgotten (the post at 15h03 refers).”

    I haven’t forgotten Habbabkuk, I’ve been away on a mission.

  55. Yet another distortion above about me from the H troll.

  56. Craig’s “hired killers” link leads to a blind alley. The video, showing mercenaries shooting up cars for fun, has been removed by Google because it violates the copyright of the mercenaries employers. Copyright trumps war crimes.

    The video has also been removed by the Telegraph and Human Rights First. Channel 4 seem to have removed any mention of the videos. The videos were originally posted to aegisiraq.co.uk, since closed by court order and now redirects to the main Aegis site.

    Aegis chairman is MP fatman Soames. Founder Tim Spicer was previously, as a British army officer, involved in shooting unarmed Irish kids in the back.

    It seems nine+ videos of Aegis mercenaries running amok in Iraq were originally posted online. Today I managed to find one. Aegis currently has a special promotion on for security in Iraq.

    http://wikispooks.com/wiki/Aegis_Defence_Services
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Defence_Services

  57. Yes, I’m sure this Islamic Terrorism tripe is massively over-hyped. If there really are 4,000 of ‘em in the kingdom then they must be the most incompetent bunch imaginable. The figure of 400 core members sticks in my head in regard to the I.R.A. (though my memory may be at fault) and they did far more damage over a very long time. They also hit on the rather good wheeze of being as far away from their own bombs as possible. Thus they could be de-briefed and lessons could be learned for the next time. Any tips or ideas the tube bombers picked up during their operation went with them into the next world.

    Where I would demur is in the suggestion that Iraqi and other invasions “caused” the terrorism we have had. Yes, I’m sure that’s the justification given, but I don’t believe it. Lots of people are against either the Iraqi invasion or “Liberal Interventionism” in general, including me. But it never occurred to me that sticking a bomb in a public space somewhere would improve the situation. On the contrary; it just makes more victims. The guy who did his little farewell video before the tube bombings came across to me as a complete wanker. A highly dangerous wanker, no doubt, but inarticulate, thoughtless and ultimately stupid. He was a teaching assistant, I believe …

    In that vein, what I noticed most in the tv reports recently was that one tit, who was said to be a medical student said – if I heard correctly – “We has come here innit…”. Aren’t you glad they closed down the grammar schools in favour of the egalitarian paradise in which we now find ourselves? It gives you an idea of the quality of medical care we can all expect in years to come.

    Good luck all; you’ll need it.

  58. Phil Not so disrespectful please about one of Her Maj’s Knights of the Realm.

    Sir Arthur Nicholas Winston Soames MP was knighted in the Birthday Honours list for ‘services to politics’ as opposed to ‘services to mercenary killers’.

  59. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 Jun, 2014 - 4:40 pm

    Rev. Scorgie

    “I haven’t forgotten Habbabkuk, I’ve been away on a mission.”
    ___________________

    Converting the heathen, Doug?

    Or more of a 007 type mission?

    You pompous so-and-so :)

  60. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    24 Jun, 2014 - 4:50 pm

    “here I would demur is in the suggestion that Iraqi and other invasions “caused” the terrorism we have had.”

    No more than rubbing soil into an open wound. The question is; what is the real strategy of the West? They sure egged on Saddam because he was the fly in Iran’s ointment. We ‘trained’ Iraqis and equipped them for self-reliance, but they couldn’t infuse commitment into the troops, so 800 ISIL’s routed 30,000 Iraqis ran at the first sign of battle.

    All this crap is for Israel’s benefit, especially the cross-talk about dividing Iraq into a Triad.

  61. Craig, I believe that Irish and English officers and soldiers played a major part in Simón Bolívar’s campaign to liberate South America from Spanish rule. I don’t know whether they were mercenaries or volunteers – I know he planned the campaign in London, in a house now owned by the Venezuelan government.

  62. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 Jun, 2014 - 4:55 pm

    Good post, Richard (as was Craig’s), and I would agree in particular with your “Where I would demur is in the suggestion that Iraqi and other invasions “caused” the terrorism we have had.”. Perhaps there is just a “moment” for these things: after all, why did IRA terrorism flare up in the 1950s, then subside, and then resume with renewed vigour 20-30 years afterwards?

    Speaking about IRA terrorism : it’s a pity this blog wasn’t around during the IRA bombings on the UK mainland, it would have been fun to see various Eminences and useful idiots coming up with a hundred and one reasons and justifications for why it was the British govt which was REALLY responsible. For that’s what they surely would have done.

  63. Huw 24 Jun, 2014 – 4:51 pm
    “Irish and English officers and soldiers played a major part in Simón Bolívar’s campaign…I don’t know whether they were mercenaries or volunteers”

    This suggests they were mercenaries recruited after mass demob following Napoleon’s defeat.

  64. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 Jun, 2014 - 5:01 pm

    California Ben

    “The question is; what is the real strategy of the West?”
    ____________________

    No, that isn’t the question – and even if it were, you would be unable to provide a coherent answer because you know too little.

    Be more modest and focus a little more on something you do know about and which you CAN answer yourself, namely:

    “Just to be able to evaluate your bona fides, so to speak – apart from frequently sounding off on this blog (and perhaps on others), what do you do in concrete and practical terms to support the Palestinian cause and help the Palestinian people?”

    Do not hide your talents under a bush, Ben!

  65. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    24 Jun, 2014 - 5:25 pm

    “because you know too little”

    So, then provide a perspective, if you have the cajones to out your vested interests. The rubber hammer of Zion gets your reflexive sympathies with a shekel’s worth of effort, but I fear all your talents are exposed for what they are worth.

  66. Never mind them. What has it cost the state? A lawyers’ paradise and THEY are all in it together.

    ‘Other senior journalists from The Sun, NOTW and The Mirror are on bail or under investigation.

    However the Crown Prosecution Service may come under renewed pressure to scale down its investigation after the string of not guilty verdicts in this long and costly trial.

    Legal commentators estimated that the combined cost of the defendants’ legal team would have stretched into tens of millions of pounds.’

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/uk-phone-hacking-trial-andy-coulson-guilty-but-rebekah-brooks-walks-free-20140624-zskm6.html

  67. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO 24 Jun, 2014 – 4:50 pm
    “All this crap is for Israel’s benefit”

    Claptrap. Israel is just another rogue state. Israel would not exist if it did not serve western capitalism well.

    Every time someone repeats this “Israel is the problem” nonsense they fuel divisive racist and religious arguments that obfuscate the real problem. And someone in Langley smiles.

    In this way I reckon those who disproportionately bemoan Israel are as misguided as those who blindly defend it.

  68. Another excellent post Craig,thank you.

    Spot on,its a load of total bollox this War On Terrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr,Inc

  69. Kerry says US action against ISIS will be “intense and sustained”. That means a lot, and for a long time.

    Dig the identical black outfits, btw. Paydirt for the lucky tailor.

    “I’d like 30,000 metres of black cotton, please.”

    Toyota would have been delighted too.

    “I’d like 2,000 pick-up trucks, please, the ones with the double cup holders. Do they all have built-in sat nav as well?”

    Here’s what is going to happen. With American protection, ISIS will retain a stronghold in western Iraq. The first objective here is to prevent military aid to Syria coming from Iraq and Iran. America will essentially create a safe haven in which ISIS can carry out this role.

    The US will of course have to kill some militants for the cameras, but they can easily be replaced by emptying a few more Saudi jails. Perhaps some creative film-making (as happened after the Ghouta gassing in Damascus) will leave the correct impression on the viewing public.
    Once ISIS has been strengthened by Gulf State fodder and American weaponry, it will open another front in the Syrian campaign — this time with US ground and air support. This is the second, and main, objective.

    I’m sure Mark Urban on Newsnight will tell us all about the tenacity of this desert army without asking any awkward questions, like how such a large force managed to acquire all its weapons, co-ordinate its actions across such a huge area, travel so quickly, and stay “hidden” for so long before it moved.

    In case you’re wondering, Mark, It was being trained and armed in Jordan by the United States, and guided by their drones. But the mainstream is nothing if not adept at ignorning any elephant in the room.

    ISIS in Jordan will probably co-ordinate with this new offensive, a little Israeli interference in the Golan Heights, and maybe a touch of Turkish assistance in the north. This will destroy what’s left of Syria and kill and displace a lot more Syrians, but it’s a price worth paying, right?

    The American war machine is a devious, psychopathic entity.

  70. MJ
    24 Jun, 2014 – 3:48 pm
    “Anne Field: a very interesting and well-researched article. Thanks for that.”

    http://xtcuk.wordpress.com/2014/06/22/isis-what-crisis/

    Seconded. The Big Picture penned down very succinctly.

  71. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    24 Jun, 2014 - 6:12 pm

    “Every time someone repeats this “Israel is the problem” nonsense they fuel divisive racist and religious arguments that obfuscate the real problem”

    If I sounded racist, many apologies. Just as it’s difficult to separate average American capitulation to hegemony and Nation-building, so too rhetoric around Zionism tars others who need not be. Who was it said; “Evil can only flourish when good people do nothing” or WTTE.

  72. It’s probably best to separate Western banking from Western capitalism. There’s a bit of a fight going on between these two as well.

    The Western producer countries will for example have more in common between themselves and the BRICS than they have with the banker run outfits like the UK and UK. Mighty Germany is a case in point here, but so too are Canada and Australia.

    It’s a difficult position. These Western producer countries have to hang on to the banker’s coat tails, but at the same time be ready to quickly ditch should the bankers look like they’re heading over the edge.

    The hope of course is that the bankers will win worldwide and the goodies can then be divvied up at a big meeting. This cannot be guaranteed however.

    Anyway, so long as the Poles have wised up to their sucker status. About time.

    The bankers main game is to ensure the containment of Russia and China, and in the case of Russia this involves undermining any potential relationship with western Europe. This is of course not in Europe’s long term interest, but “Fuck the EU”.

  73. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    24 Jun, 2014 - 6:45 pm

    $236 Trillion in derivatives exposure for top 25 US banks, with $9 trillion in assets to show. I hope the Uber Graft got they cash through that hole in the bucket. I don’t see any light of day between banks and capitalism.

    http://www.occ.gov/topics/capital-markets/financial-markets/trading/derivatives/dq413.pdf

  74. Clarkson was the Brooks’ first visitor. He is ‘elated’

    Boris is pleased too.

    Boris: ‘Pleased Rebekah and Charlie Brooks acquitted’

    ITV News ‎- 3 hours ago

    Mayor of London Boris Johnson said: “I’m pleased for Rebekah and Charlie Brooks that they have both been acquitted and that justice has …
    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-06-24/boris-johnson-pleased-for-rebekah-and-charlie-brooks

    but some years he called the accusations ‘codswallop’ and was actually seeking sponsorship for his cable car across the Thames from Murdoch using his friendship with the Brooks as an entrée

    Boris Johnson’s diary reveals Brooks and Murdoch calls
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19862637

    Boris Johnson dined with Murdoch days before hacking investigation
    Labour calls for official investigation after meetings between mayor and News International come to light
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jun/20/boris-johnson-dined-murdoch
    .

  75. Craig, if I remember correctly, you previously stated that the Woolwich murder of soldier Lee Rigby had absolutely nothing to do with Islam. Now, it appears that you acknowledge the connection to Islamic terrorism, albeit with the qualification that the killers were “deranged”. On what basis do you assert that these killers are/were deranged? Because they killed for their cause?

    If that is true, then are all Islamic terrorists deranged? What is the origin of this mental illness? What is it that attracts deranged killers to the cause of advancing and defending the primacy of Islam?

    The implication of your post, Craig, is that if the UK stays out of the affairs of Muslim nations, then Islamic terrorism in the UK will self-extinguish. How can you be so sure when there is a rapidly growing Muslim demographic that rejects the native culture and seeks to assert its preferred way of life in every area of society including its laws? There are numerous examples of British Muslims being disaffected for reasons other than UK military incursions in the Muslim world. But the fact that they identify so strongly with foreign Muslim experiences at all should tell you something about the hierarchy of their loyalties.

    The history of Britain, and the rest of the world, is a violent one involving many civil wars and battles between different tribes. You have witnessed the murderous conflict between Protestants and Catholics over hundreds of years until recently. Of course, the Irish Troubles involved other issues but religion played no small part in those troubles.

    And as we witness in these ‘civilised’ times horrific crimes of warfare in many parts of the world, who can be bold enough to say that the UK will be free from religious violence and civil war in the future? What is SO special about now and the future that protects your country from the same evils of the past?

    The UK is headed for more troubles and those who do not heed the lessons of the past can take their share of the blame for that – not that they will, of course.

  76. It is not racist to say that Israel is the problem. It is a fact.

    Jonathan Cook who lives in Nazareth tells us that torture cells are being brought back into use and Netanyahu wants legislation passed through urgently to allow force feeding for the 100+ Palestinian hunger strikers held under permanent arrest but not charged. ‘Administrative detention’ is its Orwellian name.

    ‘Last week, the heads of the World Medical Association urged Israel to halt the legislation, which in a double bill of compulsion will require doctors to sedate and force-feed prisoners to break their hunger strike.’

    Israel Can’t Force-feed Occupation to Those Who Hunger for Freedom
    June 24th, 2014
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/06/israel-cant-force-feed-occupation-to-those-who-hunger-for-freedom/

  77. “I don’t see any light of day between banks and capitalism.”

    The difference is in how they make their money.

    Bankers make money by shuffling it about hither and thither.

    Producer countries make money by selling made things, commodities and resources etc.

    Bankers are a tax on this process. That’s the tension.

    Producers are of course tied to the financial system. They can’t escape it now that they’re in it.

    But, and this is the point, the banking system is in such a mess that the producer countries would like to reform it.

    It can’t be reformed because it’s broke. The only way out for banking is global domination.

    Should banking be unable to achieve global domination then that will force the producer countries to bail.

    Of course the main banking countries are big producers of military technology too. So, even their products are toxic. They need ongoing instability to thrive, and that’s currently directed towards the objective of global banking dominance.

    You’ll see the split more clearly should it look like the bankers are not going to achieve their objective.

    And, there’s a timeliness about it all too. They’ll need to achieve global dominance reasonably quickly, or it will collapse on its own.

  78. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    24 Jun, 2014 - 7:25 pm

    I see what you’re saying, but producer Nations also utilize venture capitalists for funding, routing their loans through the banking system.

    I haven’t seen the tension you refer to however. If there is any it’s probably garden-variety competition, as most of these bean-counters are so possessive they wave good-bye to their own shit as they flush.

  79. Mike a good post.

    The notions of ISIS/L with their black flags bearing white writing (shades of Taliban, their White Flag with black writing, not very imaginative really) being so powerful and taking over and need to be stopped has not panned out all that well. Few days in politics is a life time, the original plan of helping ISIS/L to attack Syria in a combined forces fashion is rapidly evaporating.

    Despite the talking up of the ISIS/L the new plan is start a “revolution” hence in the Kurdish Enclave in Irbil the chaps have found a couple of masked “Sunni Revolutionaries” talking about ISIS/L is not the main force, and the resentment of the Sunnis will be enough to get the revolution going!

    Already the narrative is changing and ISIS/L war is rapidly giving way to a new narrative; Maliki must go, and a new Sunni friendly government should be set up.

    Obviously the plans of the psychotic animals residing in the Pentagon and State DPT. have been scuppered hence the new narrative.

    However your assessment is correct and the ultimate thrust of the current kabuki is to get Assad.

  80. The tension is fairly obvious.

    Producer countries make things, sell resources and are then paid in pieces of paper.

    So long as the bankers are playing a straight game then that can work fine.

    But they haven’t been playing a straight game so their pieces of paper ultimately aren’t worth squit.

    Current central banking is an additional tax on the trading nations, but if the bankers aren’t playing a straight game then they’re no longer simply levying a tax for running the financial system, they’re engaged in outright theft of the planet’s wealth and labour, for worthless pieces of paper.

  81. ‘She has told friends that she intends to make a comeback, citing the jailed Conservative cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken as a role model. She has also said she will never write her memoirs because she will not betray Murdoch’s secrets. There is no sign that he is about to betray her either. When she resigned, he gave her a payoff of £10.8m. Since then, she has been spotted holidaying on a Murdoch yacht and he has been telling anybody who will listen she is innocent.

    Now the jury has acquitted her of all four charges. The Rebekah Brooks story continues.’

    Rebekah Brooks: ‘she’s always been able to get what she wants from people’
    From charming the powerful to threatening foes, the ex-News International chief is adored and loathed in equal measure
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/24/-sp-rebekah-brooks-profile-news-international-rupert-murdoch-

  82. Yeah, Fedup. Split the country in 3 like they wanted to do in 2003.

    Solution: Russia sells Syria more jets; Iraq asks Syria to bomb ISIS, cutting the US out of it.

    Not much of a solution, I know…

  83. Freedom fighter or terrorist – its always a subjective call depending upon one’s allegiance. Hypocrisy is ever present; the main thing is to be honest with oneself.

  84. @Doug: Liam is only following in the footsteps of these reprobates (with the same puppetmaster?)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9_yv1m9jN8

  85. Excellent analysis Craig. Thanks you for an enlightened perspective of how our government and spooks are whipping up hatred and creating a non-existent enemy. Moazzam Begg has been charged with some trumped up terrorist claim because he has been pursuing the secret services involvement in torture, and the recent Justice and Security Act is another abuse of human rights, designed to hold court hearings in private to protect the security services – who are really the ones who ought to be facing judgment together with Blair, Straw et al.

  86. Good points well made, as usual. For what it’s worth, I’d add:

    1. The people in power in the UK have to be seen and heard singing from the same hymn book as their overlords in Washington, preferably at the top of their voices.

    2. The term “the mainstream media” seems to confer legitimacy on the brainwashers. Isn’t there a better term for them? I’d suggest something like “the imperialist media”, but I know that sounds way too old-fashioned and unlikely to catch on.

  87. “Yeah, Fedup. Split the country in 3 like they wanted to do in 2003.”

    But if that is what the people of Iraq want wouldn’t that be the right thing to do?

    That is how it was under the Ottoman empire before WWI, three regions comprising three ethnic groups. It’s only because Britain reneged on their promise they could have independence if they helped defeat the Germans that they were joined. Only because we double crossed them. Only because Britain wanted their oil.

    Shouldn’t we just let the people of Iraq decide for themselves?

  88. @Fred: convicted under part 1, which is entirely different. This law emerged as a mish-mash, and it remains so. Why wasn’t he convicted under the 2006 revised (for Goodman?) Computer Misuse Act, I wonder? Perhaps that comes next…

  89. @Fred re latest post: I suppose you think it was right also that Yugoslavia was partitioned after externally instigated civil war? If so, what about Ukraine, or the United States, or the United Kingdom for that matter. Every country has its own mix of peoples. Each continues to exist as a country because people unite behind common values (amongst other things…)

  90. mj & villager : thank you for your kind words.

  91. @Mary: Wasn’t it Rebekah Wade that wrote (or sanctioned…) the Sun headline “45 minutes from doom!”

  92. @Mary: Good point about Boris. Why did he suddenly have Damascus-like conversion and go all “impeach Blair”, anyway?

  93. @Peacewisher

    I think the people of Iraq should decide for themselves, peacefully, by ballot.

  94. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    24 Jun, 2014 - 10:00 pm

    Phil @4.43…

    Curious you should mention Aegis – perhaps not. Its ex CEO, Tim Spicer, has been linked both with Liam Fox and more closely, with Tony ‘Walking Eagle’ Blair:

    http://www.williambowles.info/ini/ini-0266.html

    The article, a summary of deniable warmongering in pursuit of resources, goes a good deal further into the murk, and is well worth a look.

  95. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    24 Jun, 2014 - 10:02 pm

    Villager; I didn’t see you slip in. Hope you are fit as a fiddle.

  96. @Peacewisher

    Did you find someone who wasn’t suspected of a crime who had been required to hand over an encryption key yet? Or a request made without a court order?

  97. @Fred: Sorry, I’ve got better things to do with my time. But don’t you think Craig has got a point with this thread? Too many unaccountable people could even lead to collusion and black ops… (especially worthy of note now we know that (a) Coulson wasn’t vetted, and (b) Coulson colluded with others to break the law.

  98. @Fred: So do I, if there is a free media, and no coercion.

    But we don’t even have the former in this country! One advantage of becoming the 51st state might be that we’d have a freer press LOL

  99. @Peacewisher

    I agree with Craig that the claims by Cameron that ISIS are a threat to people in Britain are probably not true and designed`to dissuade opposition to British intervention in Iraq should it become necessary to protect British commercial interests there.

    That has nothing to do with my pointing out that your claims about RIPA are just not true or my belief people in Iraq have the right to self determination.

  100. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    24 Jun, 2014 - 10:43 pm

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-soaring-profits-of-the-military-industrial-complex-the-soaring-costs-of-military-casualties/5388393

    “There are two major beneficiaries of the two major wars launched by the US government: one domestic and one foreign. The three major domestic arms manufacturers, Lockheed Martin (LMT), Northrop Grumman (NOG) and Raytheon (RTN) have delivered record-shattering returns to their investors, CEOs and investment banks during the past decade and a half. The Israeli regime is the overwhelming foreign beneficiary of the war, expanding its territory through its dispossession of Palestinians and positioning itself as the regional hegemon. Israel benefited from the US invasion which destroyed Iraq, a major ally of the Palestinians; the invasion provided cover for massive Israel’s settler expansion in the Occupied Palestinian territories. In the course of its invasion and occupation Washington systematically destroyed Iraq’s armed forces and civil infrastructure, shredding its complex modern society and state. By doing so, the US occupation removed one of Israel’s major regional rivals.”

    First there’s the hardware costs. Then there is the occupation costs. Then there is the human cost. It’s one thing for a young man to lose his life. It’s quite another for a wounded survivor. The cost over 40 years for a paraplegic…..$50 million. NGO’s take the cream off the top courtesy of taxpayers, Then the taxpayers get the Butcher’s Bill for the long-term costs.

    First, there’s the promissory note (Treasury bill) to the banksters, then there’s the interest incurred, and austerity based upon the debt ginned-up by the warmongers seeking to feather their nest. It all falls on the working-class hero. He pays the bills both in blood and treasure.

  101. Fred asks:

    “Did you find someone who wasn’t suspected of a crime who had been required to hand over an encryption key yet? Or a request made without a court order?”

    Yes, Fred. It happens at UK borders, all the time.

    Greenwald’s partner is the most famous example, but ordinary travellers are subject to it every time they enter or leave the UK.

    No suspicion is needed, not even reasonable suspicion, and you have to answer ANY question they put to you, however irrelevant you think it, under pain of imprisonment.

  102. I also find the 7/7 bombings odd in that such a dramatic and terrible incident seems to have had no part in any long-term terror campaign (as with Irish terrorism) nor have had any follow-up. It’s rather the same kind of dog that doesn’t bark as our lack of a return to the moon – the longer we go with no repeat, the more suspicious the initial event seems.
    On Syria, quite frankly it’s not our problem if someone wants to go and fight there – as long as we don’t let them back in the country afterwards.

  103. Excellent and important points. Most of us know all this, but Craig does a great job of visualizing the extreme hypocrisy.

    Let’s not forget, though, that apart from people of Islamic faith, our crackpot government also regards people who care about the environment and animals, and groups like Fathers for Justice, as terrorists. Paranoia and public expenditure on waging war against these groups (which are simply trying to point out that morality should precede money) is currently at an all time high.

  104. @Herbie

    I have no doubt it does.

    But what has that to do with RIPA?

  105. @Fred: We’ll have to disagree about the finer points of RIPA part 3. However, we do have common ground about democracy, and a peoples’ right to self-determination. As with Scottish folk, of course. Assuming a free media!

    Also, what about the people of Donetsk and Lugansk. When will their right to self-determination be recognised?

  106. The enemies of elites are always first and foremost, their own people, their own flock, their own herd.

    That’s why we’re so surveilled.

    Up until recently the flock has been managed through media, bread and circuses, but lately there’s much less bread, and the circuses are becoming a bit repetitive and worn.

    With the growth of the internet and many more sources of information, elites realise they can no longer use these tools of compliance, and must return to much more coercive measures, to retain control.

    They obviously know they’re losing it a bit and so have removed the legal contract between themselves and their peeps.

    The US seems the worst so far. They’ve moved far from the Constitutional settlement, so that’s an admission that they’re expecting social breakdown.

    The UK seems to be next.

    It’d be a good idea to draw up a list of those countries which have moved most from the social and legal contracts they had with their peeps.

    These are the countries in which there will be the most radical decline.

  107. Can I write from here in an Apple Orchard…next to my wife asleep in a wigwam that ain’t too good in the rain…If so I would like to point out…that it is far better being owed £50,000 than owing £50,000… particularly when your customer can easily afford to pay…and if he doesn’t…you can just threaten to turn it off…knowing that he is making far more than you…and that…it is so complex…that he has no alternative supplier…I keep telling my Son this….but he just doesnt seem to realise he can charge 10 times as much…and get paid on time…He says Dad…I’m just increasing my customer base..He lives at home for free…and we cook for him…and all his Girlfriends…

  108. You of course want to know what the message is. Well how on Earth can I or he know what the message is…there are Millions of them…most in Foriegn languages. He is running an International ISP from his Bedroom…with Servers on the Fastest Backbone in the World. The Yanks can’t compete…London and Manchester…have much bigger pipes and are much faster…Does that make him a Globalist?

  109. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    24 Jun, 2014 - 11:34 pm

    Tech; Not much redemptive self-awareness in the US either. Cheney keeps doubling-down on the dumb with his daughter Liz, who aspires to public office. It is insane, as one would expect from people of this caliber.

  110. Fred: Craig Murray made a post some weeks back, on the subject of post-colonial African (Nigerian) attachment to wholly irrational, at times troublesome state/national boundary constructs of the colonisers. The people nevertheless quite aware of the apparent contradiction in this sentimentality.

    “The strange thing is that these totally artificial colonial constructs of states generate a genuine and fierce patriotism among their citizens”

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/dysfunction-in-nigeria/

    It seems unlikely to me that this feeling would be as strong in the middle-east Arab lands, the hardline Ba’athist Sunnis perhaps an exception, though they could just lament the passing of the days when they unfairly held upper (whip) hand, where advancement, even when well-merited not only required membership of The Party, but also membership of the right religious sect. Change simply for changes sake however wouldn’t be wise, particularly in the midst of the country’s enduring torment, and regional insecurity, though others could say there could be no better time for a clean break. Such things must surely however be better considered in conditions of calm, mutual respect and understanding. Putting aside all the religious nonsense overlaid, the arguments come down to just economic claims and counterclaims, on a resource which all the while they argue is being drawn down. Some form of increased Kurdish autonomy, and the same for the Shia in the south, while increasing Sunni influence in the Baghdad government, seems to be the path they are moving on; with scrupulously non-sectarian political parties, it could work.

  111. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    24 Jun, 2014 - 11:43 pm

    Tony M; My view is that people always seek to suppress the minority because of self-interest. When the US cobbled an Iraqi gubmint principle they sought to level the playing field t the advantage of the Shia, an oppressed minority. Naturally, the minority sought to consolidate their own power to the disadvantage of the nation, as a whole. Human nature is eminently predictable.

  112. @Technicolor: Interesting that there is a suggestion in this article that Blair was “unhinged” from 1994, when he was Shadow Home Secretary? How, then, did he become Labour leader? Was Brown considered even more unhinged, or did becoming Labour leader and realising the potential power of the post unhinge him?

  113. Ben
    “If I sounded racist, many apologies.”

    Sorry to be unclear. I was talking beyond your comment mate. I didn’t mean to suggest you were sounding racist. I didn’t mean that at all.

  114. Mary
    “It is not racist to say that Israel is the problem. It is a fact.”

    In what way is Israel the problem?

  115. Theresa of May is busy catching fish out of muddy waters; now “jihad” has gone equal opportunity and Muslim women go to Syria to fight too!

    What can a government do to stop the tsunami of the “jihad” hoards?

    Obvious silly, it is a no brainer; spy on the bally lot of the nation even more! As she goes on record; “we must use our capabilities and enhance these capabilities, and not diminish these”!

    Freedom dunch you luv its smell? Never mind it smells more like manure as the days go by.

    Freedom of the press means; you are free to own one

  116. Baal

    That Spicer/Blair article makes the blood boil. I think Aegis subsequently got the contract to protect the US embassy in Kabul. Worth big money.

    These mercenary armies are just another example, albeit extra in your face deadly, of private profit made from public investment. i.e. They are all state trained killers.

  117. Technicolour..I did laugh at your link…but I have to put up with blokes knocking on my door..thinking they are offerring to clean my gutters..and its The Fraud Squad…a bit like the Sweeney…though Posh…wanting to speak to my Son. I insisted on being present..They said your son is under no charge or investigation whatsoever…We just want himto help us provide more information about a fraud of one if his customers that he has reported to us. Good Lad.

    Tony

  118. Peacewisher: dunno. NLP? Must re-read Leo Abse.

  119. Phil, Most of what I read in the Media…is totally fuckin bollocks….Now come on now…is Craig really that naive? Is Julian Assange really living in the Ecuadorian Embassy…except when Craig turns up….and come on….the smart young American Tech Guy…who looks just like an English bloke I used to work with….Edward Snowden…come on….They are all still on the Team….Think about it…The Deceptions…you simply would not believe…But who is the Director….Do not believe that they are all on the same side…Some of them really are not nice.

  120. BrianFujisan

    25 Jun, 2014 - 1:05 am

    Great Post Craig

    ” How gullible do you have to be to believe that in the last seven years this 4,000 committed terrorists in the UK, with their 34 active plots, managed to kill nobody at all ”

    I fear that Very many People rather than Gullible Are Brainwashed ( or likely Both) but especially Where it matters Most to Our Dictators – Military, Police ect

    Mike @ 5:54 Nice one.. Liked that. And you Too Ann Fields, great work there indeed very Thorough Piece..well done

    Herbie

    “The US seems the worst so far. They’ve moved far from the Constitutional settlement, so that’s an admission that they’re expecting social breakdown.”

    Have you seen this on the Memo Regarding Illegal Drone Murders –

    “Now that the U.S. government has released parts of its We-Can-Kill-People-With-Drones memo, it’s hard to miss why it was kept secret until now…..

    “Then there’s the problem of Congressional authorization of war, or lack thereof, which Barron gets around by pretending that the Authorization for the Use of Military Force was as broad as the White House pretends rather than worded to allow targeting only those responsible for the 911 attacks.

    Then there are the facts of the matter in the case of Anwar al Awlaki, who was targeted for murder prior in time to the actions that President Obama has claimed justified that targeting.

    Then there are the facts in the other cases of U.S. killings of U.S. citizens, which aren’t even redacted, as they’re never considered.

    Then there are the vastly more numerous killings of non-U.S. citizens, which the memo does not even attempt to excuse.

    In the end, the memo admits that calling something a war isn’t good enough; the targeted victim has to have been an imminent threat to the United States. But who gets to decide whether he or she was that? Why, whoever does the killing of course. And what happens if nobody ever even makes an unsupported assertion to that effect? Nothing, of course.

    This is not the rule of law. This is savage brute force in minimal disguise. I don’t want to see any more of these memos. I want to see the video footage of the drone murders on a television. I want to see law professors and revolving-door State Department / human rights group hacks argue that dead children fall under the public authority justification.”

    by David Swanson

    http://warisacrime.org/content/so-thats-why-they-kept-drone-kill-memo-secret#.U6j2DTaGvf8.twitter

  121. Paul Barbara

    25 Jun, 2014 - 1:09 am

    One should not perhaps be surprised if War Criminals speak with a ‘forked tongue’, but all this sickening clap-trap about the terrible dangers of returning fighters from Syria really does highlight the Government’s and MSM’s lying, two-faced hypocrisy. Britain planned to oust Assad with mercenaries in 2009: see ‘Former French Foreign Minister: The War against Syria was Planned Two years before “The Arab Spring”:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/former-french-foreign-minister-the-war-against-syria-was-planned-two-years-before-the-arab-spring/5339112
    I was going to link to ISIS/ISIL being trained by US Special Forces in Jordan, but ‘Tony M’ has covered that general area well.
    And, of course, 4*General (Retd.) Wesley Clark (ex-Supreme Allied Commander Europe) is on record saying when he visited the Pentagon after 9/11, he was told by a 3* serving General on the Joint Chiefs that the US was going to overthrow ‘7 governments in 5 years – Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

  122. Never seen or heard of your blog before. Bravo for an excellent piece. We are being hoodwinked by the neocons who are many in number in government and media and have too many useful idiot sympathisers parroting the narrative

  123. just remind people -no royals or politicians get attacked by these so called terror threats

  124. Maybe because they’re surrounded by proper security.

  125. @Technicolor. I know very little about NLP. I do know, however, that it is used in management training, and to enable people to “harness their personal power”.

    However, if it can cause people to become unhinged, surely it should be banned… or, at the very least… discouraged.

  126. “The implication of your post, Craig, is that if the UK stays out of the affairs of Muslim nations, then Islamic terrorism in the UK will self-extinguish. How can you be so sure when there is a rapidly growing Muslim demographic that rejects the native culture and seeks to assert its preferred way of life in every area of society including its laws? ”

    Yes clearly if Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nigeria and Iraq had kept out of Muslim affairs they wouldn’t now be fighting their own brands of Islamic radicalism. The danger comes not from direct attacks on the UK by ISIS or Boko Haram but from the inspiration their success might provide to home grown fundamentalists. Elements of Sharia law have already been worked into the British legal system although they contradict existing UK and european legislation.

  127. A warning here from the ex Chief of the Defence Staff of terrrrrism arising out of Afghanistan. Note Iraq was a ‘strategic error’.

    Jihadist Threat ‘To Rise With Afghan Pullout’
    Ex-defence chief Lord Richards says the consequences of the “strategic error” in Iraq is now being felt with the ISIS insurgency.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1288805/jihadist-threat-to-rise-with-afghan-pullout

    Wonder why that should be a likelihood? Maybe because hundreds of family members including children have been turned into blood and gore by missiles sent down from coalition drones.

    Civilian drone deaths triple in Afghanistan, UN agency finds
    February 8, 2014
    http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/02/08/civilian-drone-deaths-triple-in-afghanistan-un-agency-finds/

    Lord Richards of Herstmonceux (there’s a noble title) lists some of his interests here:

    1: Directorships
    Chairman and Director, Palliser Associates Ltd (provision of strategic advice to governments and companies) (the company is 100% owned by the Member and his wife – see category 4(a); personal clients are: Ondra Partners (whose business is financial advice); Vitol Group (whose business is energy provision); International Institute for Strategic Studies; the King and Government of Bahrain; the King and Government of Jordan; Government of UAE/Royal Ruby Group; Huntsworth plc (international PR and communications company); Apache Asia (traditional merchant bank with offices in Hong Kong and Singapore); income from employment listed in category 2 is also paid to Palliser Associates Ltd)
    Chairman and Director, Equilibrium Gulf Ltd (provision of geo-strategic advice to governments and companies) (see category 4(a) – no personal clients)
    Chairman and Director, Equilibrium Global Ltd (provision of geo-strategic advice to governments and companies) (see category 4(a) – no personal clients)
    Non-executive Chairman, Arturius International Ltd (a company started by ex-servicemen and specialising in logistic and transport services)

    Shareholdings, remunerated employment and overseas visits.
    http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-richards-of-herstmonceux/4317

    His non-financial interests include a Governorship of the Ditchley Foundation. Look that one up and see who meets whom at the gatherings.

  128. Baby steps to start off with …,,

    US Troops Arrive In Baghdad On ISIS Mission
    About 40 US special operations personnel have arrived in the Middle East to assess the Iraqi response to the invasion of ISIS.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1288822/us-troops-arrive-in-baghdad-on-isis-mission

  129. Jemand
    “The UK is headed for more troubles and those who do not heed the lessons of the past can take their share of the blame for that – not that they will, of course.”

    UK murder abroad is bad. UK Lying is what causes the anger. UK stubborn rejection of the Oneness of Allah’s power will give its citizens a lot of grief when they meet their Maker one day soon.

    Wailing and Gnashing of Teeth, slightly worse than water cannon I fear.

  130. Guano

    “UK stubborn rejection of the Oneness of Allah’s power will give its citizens a lot of grief when they meet their Maker one day soon.”

    Everyone is entitled to their religious belief, but I have a deep contempt for all those whose faith gives them a sense of superiority over and hostility to those who do not share it.

  131. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    25 Jun, 2014 - 9:17 am

    These mercenary armies are just another example, albeit extra in your face deadly, of private profit made from public investment. i.e. They are all state trained killers.

    Heaven forfend we call these close associates of our prominent politicians ‘terrorists’, eh?

  132. It is right to expose lies and exaggerations. Keep up the good work.

  133. @maynon2013

    The IRA got Airey Neave and Lord Mountbatten, and very nearly Margaret Thatcher. Terrorists who want political results go after the decision makers. Remember that chilling ‘we only have to be lucky once: you have to be lucky all the time’?

    Killing civilians, even in large numbers, is only effective when the politicians care about the people, and therefore a poor strategy in UK. Any incident which targets only civilians is immediately suspect as false flag.

    The only thing that will deter US/UK politicians is a believably high risk that their violence will quickly rebound on them personally. Morality is just chit-chat. There was a funny episode of Red Dwarf where in some weird region of the universe anything that you did to someone else, like smacking him over the head with a shovel, actually happened to you. We obviously don’t live there.

  134. Ah. But these people weren’t Muslims, and Islamophobia has obviously been chosen as the glue to bind the white British working class together and distract it from its real enemy, the global ruling elite. I fear for Muslims in the West – they are being turned into the new enemy within (now that the Unions have been crushed). Doubtless their persecution will be counted as the price worth paying for keeping free market capitalism safe.

  135. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    25 Jun, 2014 - 9:31 am

    To lighten up for a moment…

    Rebekah Brooks:

    – Friend of Tony Blair, former Prime Minister of England
    – Friend of Gordon Brown, former Prime Minister of England
    – Friend of David Cameron, current Prime Minister of England

    Remember when there was a slight chance of Mrs. Brooks being found guilty and serving some prison time?

    Yeah. Me neither.

    More cogent comments (many unsuitable for elderly ladies with cats) here –

    http://m.fark.com/comments/8311589?from_page=politics

  136. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    25 Jun, 2014 - 9:38 am

    Peacewisher to Fred

    “Also, what about the people of Donetsk and Lugansk. When will their right to self-determination be recognised?”
    __________________

    Habbabkuk to Peacewisher

    How about at the same time as rasPutin recognises the rights of Dagestan and Chechniya to self-determination?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Under your cloak of moderation and reasonableness, you’re as Stalinist and twisted as most on here. You’ll make full Eminence pretty soon! :)

  137. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    25 Jun, 2014 - 9:43 am

    Peacewisher to Fred

    “@Fred: We’ll have to disagree about the finer points of RIPA part 3.”
    ___________________

    Don’t be such a twister. You got it wrong and Fred got it right. Have the grace to admit it or just shut up (as most Excellences do when shown up) but please stop your twisting and turning and pissy little euphemisms.

  138. @Tony M

    I expect there are many who feel themselves to be Iraqi and put their loyalties to their country first.

    However events have shown that there are a significant number who don’t.

    I’m not arguing that Iraq should be split. I’m just saying that arguing that it must not be split because that’s what the Americans wanted is not a good argument.

  139. Off topic, but what the hell. What was Ms Brooks found innocent of? It can’t be phone hacking, seeing as her Deputy got done, and she was up to her kneck in it. It must be something else. Innocent of being a brunette? Not guilty of terrorism? Fair enough. But phone hacking? That’s a very curious decision indeed. I almost feel sorry for ‘patsy’ Coulson. Indeed, I would genuinely feel sorry for Coulson, were it not for the fact that his lies got Sheridan jail time. Karma Coulson, love it.

  140. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    25 Jun, 2014 - 10:12 am

    News Corp has already paid hundreds of people compensation for phone hacking, in a process that (it) usually settles out of court.

    Usually, lol. Along with paying the pizza delivery guy. Ginger knew.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/rupert-murdoch-may-face-police-questioning-after-rebekah-brooks-cleared-20140625-zsll2.html

  141. Habbabats at 9.38 a.m. “Your’e as Stalinist and twisted as most on here.” Possibly the most classic case of pot calling kettle seen on’t Internet this week.

  142. “she was up to her kneck in it”

    Brendan, love your misspelling of neck. If there was any justice in the world that would be the correct spelling.

  143. Kempe
    25 Jun, 2014 – 8:09 am

    “Elements of Sharia law have already been worked into the British legal system although they contradict existing UK and european legislation.”

    Kempe, I am a secular atheist so I don’t agree with religious courts but if British Jews can have religious courts why not religious courts for Muslims?

    Rabbinical Law (Jewish) has been in Britain for centuries.

    We don’t get as much publicity about that though.

    “Scandal of women trapped in marriages by Jewish courts”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scandal-of-women-trapped-in-marriages-by-jewish-courts-1765888.html

    Rabbinical court ruling makes mother ‘feel like a harlot’

    http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.co.uk/2008/07/rabbinical-court-ruling-makes-mother.html

  144. Peacewisher, 24 Jun, 11:44 pm

    “How, then, did he become Labour leader?”

    technicolour, 25 Jun, 12:37 am

    “dunno. NLP?”

    John Smith died.

  145. Yes, sorry for rather flippant reply. Alas, John Smith. Blair was already being groomed by the right, as far as I know – but Leo Abse well worth re-reading (read it quickly as was at a house party at the time).

  146. Police Scotland said there was no link between the mosque in Aberdeen and the the man who was identified as fighting in Syria. He had left Aberdeen and live in the south for two years before going to Syria.
    Why it was even mentioned that he had been in Aberdeen was a questionable stance, but it seemed even more suspicious that STV news would report the terrorist story, this man and the mosque, then finish with Police Scotland’s statement.

    None of it needed to mentioned at all, unless an issue had come up locally.

  147. ” I am a secular atheist so I don’t agree with religious courts but if British Jews can have religious courts why not religious courts for Muslims? ”

    Why not outlaw both? Doesn’t seem right that a section or sections of British society should live under different laws to the rest of us.

  148. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    25 Jun, 2014 - 12:46 pm

    Why not outlaw both? Doesn’t seem right that a section or sections of British society should live under different laws to the rest of us.

    All for that. Spot on. Now try and implement it without being called an antisemite. By a private police force, perhaps…

    http://www.thecst.org.uk/

  149. Special people

    CST trustees are given anonymity by the Charity Commission.

    also ‘training’ by the police http://www.thecst.org.uk/index.cfm?Content=12

    and grants from HMG.http://blog.thecst.org.uk/?p=3383

    Michael Gove criticised for awarding public funds to organisation he advised
    Education secretary made decision to give taxpayers’ money to organisation that he had promoted as an adviser since 2007
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/jan/27/michael-gove-funds-organisation-advised

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  150. There are a whole bunch of pseudo-quasi-wannabe courts including everyone’s favourite fake court presided over by Judge Judy.

    The issue Kempe alluded to is one where the UK civil/criminal justice system acknowledges and defers authority to Sharia courts. I am not sure if the UK system allows a Sharia court to impose a sentence upon someone who does not consent to its authority, nor the same in the case of any other religious court including those dealing in Rabbinical law.

    Generally, i think, such courts can only operate when an offence is not criminal and the defendant consents to the authority of the private court and does not impinge on any civil rights that cannot be waived.

    The problem with any kind of allowance (consensual or not) for private courts to administer justice (except in certain organisations like sport, universities etc) is that it encroaches upon the sovereignty of the public jurisdiction. Then there are other potential problems such denial of rights to appeal, and so on.

  151. The great thing about the CST deputy’s badge is it doubles as a SoD. You can flash it, FBI-style, at people and say – “Excuse me ma’am, I’m Jewish”

  152. The best example of how Britain has changed since Lord Byron’s demise is how Lord Brougham and The Times peacefully defused Louis Kossuth’s visit to Britain after the defeat of the Hugarian Revolution since the introduction of Russian troops had saved the Hapsburg dynasty despite the efforts of the Whigs, especially Lord Palmerston, and the Free Traders.

  153. technicolour, 11:43 am

    “but Leo Abse well worth re-reading”

    Possibly also Chris Mullin’s diaries:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Mullin_%28politician%29#Diaries

  154. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    25 Jun, 2014 - 1:50 pm

    Technicolour

    “Yes, sorry for rather flippant reply. Alas, John Smith. Blair was already being groomed by the right, as far as I know – but Leo Abse well worth re-reading (read it quickly as was at a house party at the time).”
    _____________________

    I’ve been recommending Leo Abse’s book on Blair for over a year now on this blog.

    Glad to see that you’re seconding me at long last (but without any gracious acknowledgement, of course – Eminences don’t do graciousness)

  155. Craig

    So do I.

  156. @BrianPowell

    There is a story that when the Titanic sank the headline in the Press and Journal was “North-east man dies at sea.”

    It may be a myth but it is how the press works.

  157. Think how Britain handled the 1848 revolutions and their fallout is most instructive for today’s leaders where they all support an absurd clampdown.

    Back then, the authorities had to worry about the Chartists at home, subjects who were supporting the revolutionaries in France while President Louis Napoleon was plotting his coup, and European radicals were seeking its sanctuary while maintaining order without resorting to draconian measures.

  158. @Vronsky: That is cause-and-effect. It is one of the laws of our universe, but effect is not instant. Grant & Naylor are two pretty clever guys.

  159. @Habby: nobody’s perfect :)

  160. technicolour

    25 Jun, 2014 - 8:17 pm

    Habbakuk, sorry must have missed that – don’t always read everything. What did you find particularly striking about the book?

  161. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    25 Jun, 2014 - 11:48 pm

    “What did you find particularly striking about the book?”

    He read it quickly, during a party. How serious do you think Hab is? The infatuation is mysterious.

  162. Apologies for misspelling your name, Technicolour.

    From what little research I have undertaken today, it seems that NLP is a psychological technique based on visualising. When used as part of management training, you should visualise an opponent, and see them shrinking, going black-and-white, or generally being diminished. The idea is that once you see them like this, you will no longer fear them, and can exercise power over them next time you see them in the flesh. Sounds like a megalomaniacs charter to me :)

  163. Ben, toujours la politesse.

    Peacewisher: wishful thinking, possibly.

  164. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 Jun, 2014 - 12:57 am

    “toujours la politesse.”

    S’not really a reply, is it?

  165. Peacewisher, NLP was a collection of techniques for effecting personal and interpersonal change. It was derived by its two developers Bandler and Grinder (I think) by “modelling” (ie. studying and copying) various therapists, hypnotists, performers, negotiators, etc. who were effective at helping people change. It was part of a wave of such ideas at that time, associated I think with Gestalt Therapy and Transactional Analysis.

    One of the two left the project. The other took to randomly extending and heavily marketing NLP as a set of people management and self-help cum manipulation tools, and NLP took on a life of woo all of its own. Gawd know which bits of it, if any, still make any sense.

  166. Very well written and I couldn’t agree more. By the governments labelling we are all Terrorists until proven innocent!

  167. I entirely agree with you, Craig.

    More propaganda from our rulers and the MSM.

  168. Kempe
    25 Jun, 2014 – 12:06 pm

    “Why not outlaw both? Doesn’t seem right that a section or sections of British society should live under different laws to the rest of us.”

    I agree and I would go further and close all religious schools.

  169. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    26 Jun, 2014 - 12:35 pm

    The best example of how Britain has changed since Lord Byron’s demise is how Lord Brougham and The Times peacefully defused Louis Kossuth’s visit to Britain after the defeat of the Hugarian Revolution since the introduction of Russian troops had saved the Hapsburg dynasty despite the efforts of the Whigs, especially Lord Palmerston, and the Free Traders.

    (Trowbridge H Bookplug)

    Why, only the other day I was in my quaint mediaeval English ‘pub’ listening to the quaint mediaeval English ‘locals’ talking about just this in their quaint, etc accents. One was saying to another worthy son of the soil clad in a brandname teeshirt, ripped denims and tattoos, “Moi, ain’t things changed since ol’ Lord Brougham and The Times peacefully defused Louis Kossuth’s visit to Britain after the defeat of the Hugarian (sic) Revolution since the introduction of Russian troops had saved the Hapsburg dynasty despite the efforts of the Whigs, especially Lord Palmerston, and the Free Traders?”

    His companion was obliged to agree; “Yer so roight, me ol’ mate. Though arguably it ain’t as good an instance of change as moight be achieved by a super laser directed by a submarine at a subduction zone, as moi old granny used ter say”

  170. Jemand,

    Re the Lee Rigby accused, you asked:
    “On what basis do you assert that these killers are/were deranged?”

    There were delays to the trial of the two accused in November 2013 due to :
    the forthcoming transfer of Michael Adebowale to Broadmoor Hospital from HMP Belmarsh and the risk of a ‘relapse’ in his mental state during the trial

    …but this was subject to reporting restrictions at the time….. (no doubt for all our national security/interest….)

    The whole Rigby affair is very fishy…..

  171. Thanks, Chimp Assassin, sorry about the misspelling of Hungary, but anything goes when it comes to posting early in the morning when i am wrestling with the spam check to get started.

    Of course, the thread is about changes in the UK.

    America;s covert government has changed Yankee Land beyond recognition, and the world is being banged around like a punching bag regularly.

    Still wasn’t able to get my complaints about The Guardian’s treatment of leakers passed the censor.

  172. Russian jets for Iraq. One dictator in the making (Maliki) can bomb ISIS; another bona fide dictator (Assad) must not.

    Canny move by Russia/Iraq/Syria. Now they can bomb the crap out of what is clearly a malign militant force, and the US will just have to suck it up. The next step would be for Maliki to actually invite Russia to do some bombing itself. Unless I’m reading this wrong, this is another US blunder: their proxy forces can now legitimately be attacked by Iraq and whoever it asks for help. If the Russians play this one right, it will be another foreign policy victory.

  173. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    26 Jun, 2014 - 10:13 pm

    To which, Mike, Obama has replied by asking Congress for $500 M to supply arms to nice moderate rebels who have been suitably vetted. Testing the boundaries of crazy again…

  174. Paul Barbara

    27 Jun, 2014 - 2:03 am

    Hmmmn, seems folks don’t seem to remember there has NEVER been a proper Judicial Inquiry into the London Bombings on 7/7 (and never will be one; government narrative rules, OK?); that NO CCTV pictures of the so-called bombers on the Underground were shown (of the hundreds or thousands that would have been available if the government ‘narrative’ was correct). Relevance? Obviously, the thinly veiled ‘Muslimphobia’ apparent in many comments.
    By the bye, I am a Christian (with Jewish blood), not a Muslim, so I am not trying to push a particular agenda (other than the true Christian one of ‘Truth’ – ‘the truth shall set you free’). I also support the Russian stance in Syria and Ukraine; ‘Anti-Communism’ shore made multi-billionaires of lots of ‘Defence Contractors’ (courtesy of the poor old tax payer).
    ISIS? Trained by the Yanks in Jordan. Wonder why we haven’t heard of that from the MSM? Pravda and Izvestia, eat your hearts out!
    ‘fraid these days, one can get better info from RT than our MSM.

  175. Obomber is seeking $500m from Congress to enrol ‘moderates’ from the rabble rebels in Syria to take up arms against ISIS.

    Syria crisis: Obama asks Congress for $500m for rebels
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28042309

    YCNMIU

    Then I heard Negroponte on the World Service as I awoke and felt sick.

    ‘We should not desert countries where we have been involved’. He cited Vietnam. He means ‘laid waste’ rather than ‘involved’.

    ‘John Negroponte, who had implemented the murderous U.S. policy in Central America, was named ambassador to Iraq. Sectarian death squads were created to divide Iraq along sectarian lines. Kissinger’s formula of “Let them kill each other” became a guiding policy.

    U.S. supports religious militias

    More recently, Negroponte’s top aide in Iraq, Robert S. Ford, was named U.S. Ambassador to Syria, just two months before the armed insurgency and orchestrated destabilization began there.’

    No intervention in Iraq
    By Sara Flounders on June 25, 2014
    Washington promotes deadly divisions http://www.workers.org/articles/2014/06/25/intervention-iraq/

    What evil.

    He featured in May Ayres’s exhibition of ceramic sculptures. ‘God’s Wars’.
    Bottom right here, shown sitting on a high chair. ‘Proconsul’.
    http://www.mayayres.com/may-ayres-gods-wars-exhibition.html

    and within

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/british-parliament-plans-for-a-statue-of-war-criminal-tony-blair/5303470?print=1

  176. When one looks at the subject of ´terrorism´, one finds that in the majority of cases that there is the hand of the state at play. If you look at the following UK cases of ´terrorist´ plots:

    1887 Plot to kill Queen Victoria (Jubilee plot)
    1892 The Walsall Anarchists ´bomb´plot
    1916 The plot to kill the PM David Lloyd George (Alice Wheeldon) (more info)

    you will find that the plots (which didn´t materialise, much like recent UK exposed plots) were all facilitated/encouraged by the security services of the day.

    With respect to the 7/7 events, which did happen, substantial anomalies exist.

    ´Terrorism´ has always served the state………..

  177. Paul Barbara

    27 Jun, 2014 - 6:04 pm

    Mike, you forgot ‘Guy Fawkes’ (1605):
    Guy Fawkes, the Gunpowder Plot, and how false flag operations have shaped history: http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/guy-fawkes-the-gunpowder-plot-and-how-false-flag-operations-have-shaped-history/

  178. Lusitania and Pearl Harbour?

    It is easier to use ‘google’ as a verb, but I now say to people ‘duckduckgo’ it:

    Operation Northwoods.

  179. ‘Operation Northwoods’ reminded me of Commander Robert Green, who was at Northwood during the Falklands War. His book A Thorn In Her Side is highly recommended.

    Who really killed Hilda Murrell?
    New evidence about the bizarre nature of her killing lends weight to her nephew’s demands for the case to be reopened
    Michael Mansfield
    Tuesday 20 March 2012

    http://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/mar/20/who-killed-hilda-murrell

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