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  • Larry from St. Louis

    And once again someone cites a right-wing sources … someone above cited deadlinelive.info

    Fucking incredible. That’s Jack Blood, an Alex Jones wannabe.

    So, once again, people who identify with the British left wing are being manipulated by the American extreme right wing.

  • MJ

    Vronsky: I agree with your reservations but overall I think using tinyurl is a good idea, particularly with urls that are exceedingly long. When they’re very long they sometimes won’t wrap and can cause the page to widen so you have scroll across-ways (which I find v annoying).

  • technicolour

    Larry, respond to earlier comments before adding more, please. Respond to Alexander Cockburn’s piece if you want an example.

  • crab

    “Don’t know if people here find tinyurl more convenient or not. Votes?”

    As a crab, i would only use it for particularly long urls, and things that dont deserve the little bit of search rank that a bare mention bestows.

    But i copypaste your urls and then must also convert the dots and slashes too. You damn convoluting linkswine moron!!

    oops, sorry, another outburst %]

    …

    I suppose soon we are going have to get to grips with Obama letting his new pal George Bush invade Haiti while its crushed.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    technicolour,

    I’ll get to the Cockburn article in a second.

    I agree with Cockburn sometimes. I disagree with him sometimes. But I certainly agree with him on his views of the “911 Truth Movement.”

    (btw Alexander Cockburn thinks you’re batshit crazy).

    In fact, he states, “This won’t faze the nuts. They’re immune to any reality check.”

    How does it feel to be someone that Cockburn thinks is deluded?

  • MJ

    “Why would they blow up the buildings *as well*?”

    Shock and awe (it looked darned dramatic, better than having a couple of planes poking out of two standing buildings); it destroyed evidence of the planes; Silverstein wanted to demolish the buildings anyway, but had been refused permission.

  • technicolour

    What on earth are you on about, Larry? It seems you can’t tell who has which opinion. Are you reading these threads? Go back to Cockburn and tell me whether you now think the Taliban offered to hand Bin Laden over or not.

    MJ: nothing could have been worse than the sight of the planes flying into the buildings.

    What do you mean, it destroyed evidence of the planes? The planes clearly exploded on impact. At the same time, there are pictures of lifejackets and paper which survived.

    Because Silverstein wanted to demolish the buildings but was refused permission he entered into a plot to kill thousands of people and blow them up anyway?

  • tony_opmoc

    The following video is pretty boring. In fact its the last of 3 videos of pretty boring stuff from NIST, but what it does prove conclusively is that WTC7 fell in freefall. Buildings can’t do that – unless they are brought down by controlled demolition. Its very basic physics and maths, that even a 10 year old should be able to understand. You can drop a brick from the top of a building and it will come down in freefall. A building cannot do that, because of the resistance in its construction. It can only come down in freefall, if that resistance is removed, and the only way to remove that resistance, is by destroying it with explosives in a very well understood, and tried and tested method called controlled demolition. Traces of the explosives used have been found in the dust. This isn’t speculation it is fact.

    The issue of whoever was responsible is speculation and not discussed here.

    Tony

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz43hcKYBm4

    Description of video

    In its draft report, released in August 2008, NIST attempted to cover up evidence that WTC7 fell at freefall, but the coverup was transparent. In its final report, released in November 2008, NIST finally acknowledged freefall, but couched it in a bizarre framework that continues to deny its clear significance. Part I chronicles NIST’s attempted obfuscation and eventual admission of freefall. Part II demonstrates that their replacement theory is based on fabricated evidence and is a continuation of the coverup. Part III spells out the significance of NIST’s admission of freefall.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    That Cockburn article is a failure on the part of Cockburn.

    You don’t write history on the basis of the recollection of one person. It could very well be the case that Mohabbat had an axe to grind with Bush Jr. It could very well be the case that he was being played by the Taliban (that seems likely). Officially, the Taliban was not offering to hand over Bin Laden prior to 911. It wouldn’t even hand him over to a Muslim country for trial, for fear that that U.S. would kidnap him. Those were their official statements. Now, were there some back-channel communications? Maybe. We would all like to see some documentary evidence of this offer, and not solely rely on hearsay upon hearsay.

    To give you an example of why we don’t base history on the oral recollections of one person – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Sada

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “it looked darned dramatic, better than having a couple of planes poking out of two standing buildings”

    Oh dear. MJ now has fantasies of jumbo jets sticking out of buildings after they’ve crashed into them.

    You’re really not that bright, are you, MJ?

  • Clark

    It has taken me a while to write this. If the thread has moved on and points have become irrelevent, I apologise.

    Vronsky,

    I believe that I trust Angrysoba. I’m in e-mail contact and he seems genuine.

    Larry,

    I believe your problem on this board is your aggressive approach. You upset people and they identify you as the enemy. If you believe that the things you say have true value, I suggestyou say them more gently, in order that they may be accepted.

    Angrysoba,

    thanks for the info about quote-mining.

    Larry again,

    considering that quote mining has been going on, it is not surprising that some people here have been misled. Please don’t call the misled stupid. None of us have time to investigate everything.

    MJ,

    I expect that Afghanistan was invaded because a consensus was reached. Politically, it was believed (please, people, do not jump me – I don’t have time to look into everything) – it was believed that the Saudi hijackers were gathered and organised in Afghanistan. But powerful influences in the US already wanted to secure power in Afghanistan for geopolitical gain – the first and second reasons were not mutually exclusive, rather, they pushed in the same direction.

    ————

    Regarding “Anti Americanism” in general,

    There are many reasons that people may have formed anti-US opinions. The US holds nearly half of all the worlds military might. To wield such power with appropriate responsibility would require nearly half of all the world’s wisdom. It seems to me that US power exceeds US wisdom, and resentments have been made.

    —————

    Current situation:

    Haiti is in crisis.

    Larry,

    Angrysoba,

    please do not assume that US forces in Haiti are entirely benevolent. There appear to be millitary and commercial forces there.

    People with anti-US feelings,

    Please do not assume that US forces in Haiti are entirely malignant.

    Most likely, the truth lies somewhere between the extremes. Different individuals in positions of command will make different choices. Apparently (sorry, I can’t check right now), there are ‘US assets’ in Haiti (Disney, Wall-Mart).

    Remember that US Government and US commercial concerns are not identical, but they do influence eachother.

    ———–

    PLEASE – we need light, not heat. From the comfort of our computer screens we can do little to help beyond becoming informed. This is what I’m doing next – trying to find out, whilst trying to compensate for the anti-US bias that I know that I hold.

  • Clark

    I see things have improved hee since I posted. My apologies if I upset anyone.

    Larry! you’ve been posting links! Brilliant.

  • Clark

    Crab:

    ‘Obama letting his new pal George Bush invade Haiti while its crushed.’

    Links PLEASE!

  • Clark

    Remember that you can post one clickable link as your name. Please sign your name in your text is you do.

  • ingo

    No Glenn he is not an apologist, he merely sees it as it is, very factual and a good timeline running through his research. he can see events in connection, rather than the division that usually promoted to keep us in the dark. I have not read his book on the 7/7 bombings yet, keep that for a rainy day when i’m more ‘economically opportune’.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Question for everyone –

    Why, in all large buildings, is fireproofing insulation coating installed on the steel floor trusses and steel columns?

  • tony_opmoc

    Before all this recent nonsense – like near World Wide financial collapse, and this Global Warming bollocks, I thought all this World Government, New World Order, Illuminati crap was a load of crazy conspiracy reptillian shit that David Icke had imagined to flog loads of books to his brain dead sheep. If so well done David Icke.

    But now I’m not so sure. Further to my moron link above, I find that the city portrayed in Deek’s video is actually real and being built as I type.

    Apart from the climate (its fucking freezing) and the fact that its next door to one of the torture capitals in the world – it looks really cool.

    Apparently if you can convince the illuminati, that you believe in their new/old Sun God religion and promise to kneel before the great Alex Jones and suck, they will send you on a full expenses paid trip and you can stop off at the torture gulags on the way and make the captives scream

    The new Capital of Kazakhstan has a lot going for it, and though I’d never heard of it before today, it seems it was mainly British designed (built by slaves of course)

    Check out Astana – try a few Google searches – and sign up to the New World Order and Brave New World. Throw away all your crucifixes and get a few sun gods instead.

    Tony

  • technicolour

    Larry, I agree Cockburn should have provided links to the documents.

    11-04-2001

    Dateline: CAIRO, Egypt

    The leader of Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban militia agreed to extradite Osama bin Laden to Saudi Arabia in 1998 but reneged following U.S. strikes on Afghanistan that year, a former head of Saudi intelligence said Saturday.

    Rory McCarthy (good journo) Islamabad 2001, the Guardian:

    “A senior Taliban minister has offered a last-minute deal to hand over Osama bin Laden during a secret visit to Islamabad, senior sources in Pakistan told the Guardian last night.

    For the first time, the Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden for trial in a country other than the US without asking to see evidence first in return for a halt to the bombing, a source close to Pakistan’s military leadership said.”

  • technicolour

    Independent Oct 2001

    After a week of debilitating strikes at targets across Afghanistan, the Taliban repeated an offer to hand over Osama bin Laden, only to be rejected by President Bush.

    The offer yesterday from Haji Abdul Kabir, the Taliban’s deputy prime minister, to surrender Mr bin Laden if America would halt its bombing and provide evidence against the Saudi-born dissident was not new

  • Larry from St. Louis

    It would be nice if you could provide links, but don’t bother …

    You’re still taking the Taliban at their word. Also, can’t you see that they were just buying time? If I had Bin Laden, didn’t intend on handing him over, and I were being bombed, of course I would say “Stop bombing and we’ll talk.”

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