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dreoilin,
You’re someone who’s exploiting the suffering of thousands of Haitians to spread your anti-American hatred. Now THAT’S sick!
Larry from St Louis
Keep your ad hominem generalisations like “you anti-Americans” and “no respect for the truth” to yourself. How many times have you been across the Atlantic on holiday? I’ve been in your country (and therefore helped your economy) several times. I have blood relations and friends who are your fellow citizens, which is why I wouldn’t want anyone dropping a Big One on your country. That’s not the same as approving its foreign policy, particularly Iraq, the latter which has been, if you don’t mind my saying so, one big screwup. (I wonder whether, by some chance, your own President would agree).
The CIA’s Operation Cyclone funded the Afghan mujahideen, and Al Qaeda was one of the groups which benefitted via its many friends within them. It matters not a lot whether the connection were indirect – but I would expect CIA agents in the field to wish to keep an eye on their money was going, and therefore there’s nothing surprising about contacts with Bin Laden before 9/11, even if they were denied.
hawley-jr
You missed a confession:
32. I killed Cock Robin
Ingo: Very interesting. I’ve got (and read!) Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed’s “The London Bombings – an independent inquiry” which is extremely disturbing. It posits that a tacit agreement had been made between UK security forces and radical groups that they could carry out their deeds unmolested, as long as they didn’t carry out anything in the UK itself. There are many other disturbing aspects to the London bombings which really do deserve a proper explanation. I thought his book was going to be something of an apologia for radical Islam movements, but it was far from it.
MJ,
The U.S. tried to get the Taliban to extradite Bin Laden prior to Sept. 11, but was met with extreme resistance.
http://www.unwire.org/unwire/20010403/13845_story.asp
Now after Sept. 11 – any such demand by the Taliban to present evidence would have required legal process (under Taliban justice?). So years and years later, after going through whatever hoops required by the Taliban, the U.S. State Dept. (maybe? – this is your fantasy scenario) would rest its case. And the outcome? Years later, would they hand him over? Again, you’re taking the Taliban at its word. That’s fairly obtuse.
Some interesting research. I think this is quite useful. It’s easy to let things slip through the objectivity net.
Otherwise, note to Larry: when has dreoilin ever said she hated Americans? Do you identify so completely with your government & your military that you can’t see a difference?
Also, Larry, you tend, unlike angrysoba, to ignore, boringly, any answers to your many questions. I think I can understand your fury, but don’t you think you’d be better off going and kicking a puppy or something? Or, possibly using facts to argue with?
By the way, remember the last time when Bush got in, just? I found this website, at the time. Love those Americans!
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/index_old.shtml
Seems there is a lot of this Sunsteining going on. Take a look at the work of ‘Andy Walker’ on the blog linked below. He’s better than you, angrysoba!
tinyurl dot com slash yjwfkxn
Arsalan wrote:
Have a look at what I have just posted on the joking thread.
( http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/01/joking_now_ille.html#comments )
8-Year-Old Boy Can’t Get Name Off Airport Security Watch List Mikey Hicks… …Mikey’s mother, who actually got clearance to fly on Air Force One as a photojournalist, is well-armed with zingers for the Times: Up your arms, down your arms, up your crotch ?” someone is patting your 8-year-old down like he’s a criminal. A terrorist can blow his underwear up and they don’t catch him. But my 8-year-old can’t walk through security without being frisked… ….William J. Pascrell Jr., a New Jersey Democrat, tells the Times. “If we can’t get an 8-year-old off the list, the whole list becomes suspect.”
..and the English guy whos been charged with “conspiring to create a bomb hoax” for tweeting “Robin Hood airport is closed, You’ve got a week and a bit to get your s**t together, otherwise I’m blowing the airport sky high!!”
No more kidding then :p
crazy stuff
Glenn, does it bother you that you belong to a failed fringe movement, just one hair short of David Icke on the crazy meter?
NO ONE gives credit to your bizarre assertions – not even George Galloway or Noam Chomsky.
tinyurl.com/yjwfkxn
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/lofiversion/index.php/t14899.html
why do you do that Vronsky?
“hawley-jr
You missed a confession:
32. I killed Cock Robin”
No, that was “3. [REDACTED]”
technicolour – what did I ignore?
Ingo,
Whilst it is interesting that both the intellectual right and left and the majority of Christians & Muslims believe most of the official US Government 9/11 conspiracy theory, objective analysis of all the facts – especially from the point of view of the physics – proves conclusively, that all 3 buildings were brought down by controlled demolition.
If you are doing a dissertation on the War on Terror, then you need to start with the basic indisputable facts. You can’t fake the fundamental laws of physics.
As to who did it, well that is another matter, but it was an extremely high tech, extremely well co-ordinated operation. Whilst people in the Middle East have undoubtedly sufferred from it, arguably the biggest victims have actuall been the American people themselves. They are not only suffering from mass trauma – they really are scared of “Terrorists”, their economy has also been devastated, and they have stopped doing anything sensible. They are in effect fighting wars at enormous cost that are of absolutely no benefit to Americans.
Tony
Read your piece Larry. It contradicts itself:
“Afghan envoy Sayed Rahmatullah Hashemi, who was in the United States trying to negotiate relief of UN sanctions on Afghanistan, said the Taliban had offered to extradite bin Laden for trial in any Islamic country (UN Wire, 22 Mar)”.
Try Alexander Cockburn, a good journalist:
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn11012004.html
If your reponse is “well, you wouldn’t take them at their word” I suggest you know nothing about the tribal rules of hospitality (which the Taliban were trying to find ways round) and would not, in any case, make a terribly good diplomat.
Vronsky,
I think Andy Walker smells of military. Certainly government. I have a hard time picturing him in a classroom.
I pretty much agree with him. Especially this, “Believing in things that are not true is not good for your mental health and well being – My advice to anyone who has a friend who might start talking about the ‘communists’ who are after him or the lizard people who are ruling the planet or the Illuminati, or the Zionists, or the CIA or whatever the particular expression might be is to tell him or her gently but firmly not to be so bloody daft for once full blown psychosis takes hold it is a very long and difficult road back.”
technicolour, did you catch the next sentence that begins “However, …”
BWWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
technicolour, are you really that stupid? Do you just want to read the sentences that support your position? Are you able to hold two contradictory thoughts in your brain?
.”On the morning of September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight 77 departed Dulles International Airport bound for Los Angeles at 8:20 am Eastern Time. According to reports and data, a hijacking took place between 08:50:54 and 08:54:11[1] in which the hijackers allegedly crashed the aircraft into the Pentagon at 09:37:45. Reported by CNN, according to Ted Olson, wife Barbara Olson had called him from the reported flight stating, “…all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers…”[2]. However, according to Flight Data provided by the NTSB, the Flight Deck Door was never opened in flight. How were the hijackers able to gain access to the cockpit, remove the pilots, and navigate the aircraft to the Pentagon if the Flight Deck Door remained closed?”….
Boeing management has decided not to support your request for help in
processing the flight data you received from the NTSB under the Freedom
of Information Act.
Thanks for an interesting exchange of conversation, good luck in your
endeavour, and best wishes from Seattle.
Al Withers
Boeing Service Engineering
Ah well – another dead end.
Right Mark, because everyone needs to pay attention to creepy fucks like you.
No, Larry, I was pointing out that your piece contradicts itself. Posting it as proof that the Taliban refused to hand over Bin Laden was therefore missing at least half the story and, if you read other reports, more than that.
csv data (FDR) AA Flight 77 is available for analysis of the Flight deck door here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XX44XLUH
I would appreciate further analysis by British FDR analysts – Thank-you.
I’m beginning to think that people here are severely retarded. You bring up items that were asserted many years ago by American theologians and young Americans that couldn’t get into a real university. These items have been thoroughly debunked. Without some sort of physiological impairment, I’m not sure that anyone could be that stupid. You people make Roderick Russell seem sane.
And Larry, if you carry on with your bizarre playground rudeness, I’d be surprised if anyone wanted to keep responding to you.
“Ah well – another dead end.”
That’s the life of a Truther.
technicolour, you’re the asshole siding with the Taliban when any sane person would realize they were shielding Bin Laden.
I do wish you’d visit your radical Muslim friends and tell them how much you’re sorry and how much you’d like to be friends with them.
Heh there is some hope – no one here has yet made the “Argument from Charlie Sheen.”
The United States is to deploy 21,000 US troops in and around the Kurdistan region of northern Iraq despite the security agreement between Baghdad and Washington.
According to the commander of US forces in northern Iraq, Anthony Cucolo, 21,000 US forces will be deployed in Kirkuk and Mosul early next month, the Fars News Agency reported on Saturday.
Based on the SOFA agreement, both sides agreed that US troops should pull out from Iraq’s urban areas by the end of June 2009 and be withdrawn altogether from the country by the end of 2011.
Also, people –
TO STATE THE OBVIOUS –
Craig Murray doesn’t believe in your bizarre 911 conspiracies. He just tolerates you. To him, you’re just a bunch of crazies. Any sane person sees you as such.
Just posting a link
http://canadahaitiaction.ca/?p=1055
“The Crisis in Haiti
Global Research Dossier of 50+ articles and reports
– 2010-01-23″…
http://tinyurl.com/yfnd53z