I Will Support This Government 197

Having now seen the coaliton agreement, I can say that I can broadly support this government and am convinced that it will be an improvement on the bunch of authoritarian war criminals who have been replaced.

Here are the parts of the agreement that to me constitute a radical change for the better in the political possibilities for our country:

Civil Liberties

Scrap the ID card scheme, the National Identity register, the next generation of biometric passports and the ContactPoint Database.

Outlaw the finger-printing of children at school without parental permission.

Extend the scope of the Freedom of Information Act to provide greater transparency.

Adopt the Scottish approach to stopping retention of innocent people’s DNA on the DNA database.

Defend trial by jury.

Restore rights to non-violent protest.

A review of libel laws to protect freedom of speech.

Safeguards against the misuse of anti-terrorism legislation.

Further regulation of CCTV.

Ending of storage of internet and email records without good reason.

A new mechanism to prevent the proliferation of unnecessary new criminal offences.

End the detention of children for immigration purposes.

Add to that a fully elected House of Lords under PR, and fixed term parliaments, and this does represent real truly important change for the better.

The full coalition agreement is here.


Lifting the basic tax allowance towards £10,000 and restoring the state pension link to earnings are also major changes.

197 thoughts on “I Will Support This Government

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  • tony_opmoc

    It is standing there and I am looking at it

    I have played it every single day in my life since it arrived about 3 weeks ago

    I didn’t play it much the day before yesterday because some cunt had fucked up my computer…

    But I did play it for a bit from memory..

    And then after midnight yesterday…

    I played it again and ordered a new guitar cord…

    The buzz was intermittently really annoying me – I’m sure its an intermittent connection from the dodgy cord my daughters American friends left here…

    I haven’t yet played it today

    Its a

    Les Paul

    I can’t yet sing by the way

    But The Power Is Still There

    In fact a band named themselves after me

    I had the loudest voice



  • ScouseBilly

    “The buzz was intermittently really annoying me – I’m sure its an intermittent connection from the dodgy cord my daughters American friends left here…”

    Tony, is the amp next to a TV screen or Monitor? That causes buzzing.

    I too have an LP – sunburst finish, lovely 🙂

  • Terry


    It’s not a question of my agreeing or disagreeing with you.

    It’s quite simply that what you’re saying has no basis in fact.

    Your argument, insofar as it can be disentangled from your irrelevant and oh so gnomic quotations, is that we should support the Tory party because a particular Labour leadership was horrible and nasty against the wishes of the mass of the movement when all the evidence shows that the Tories as a whole are similarly horrible and nasty and totally unconcerned about it.

    The discussion you see is only purposeful if one is having it with a Lib Dem. There’s no point in discussing it with a Tory like you.

  • Freedom

    Here in Scotland, the lib dems have facilitated a Tory Government rejected by 85% of the electorate. Installed as Secretary of State for Scotland is a man, Danny Alexander, who just days before appointment was campaigning for that same post to be abolished.

  • ScouseBilly

    Terry at May 13, 2010 12:51 AM

    Do read Craig’s book.

    Try and get over the fact Labour lost.

    And your ad-hominems are way off-beam.

    Perhaps the “gnomic” quotations are making a point, that was certainly the intent.

    So here’s one for the road:

    “In a time of change, it is learners who inherit the future. The learned find themselves well equipped to live in a world that no longer exists.”

    Eric Hoffer.

  • Terry


    There is no change. The Tories are horrible and nasty by nature and delight in it. It’s what they’ve been doing for hundreds of years.

    Labour in a weakness, just fell amongst bad company.

    If either Craig or you think the Tories would have treated him differently, then you really do have a lot to learn.

    With that, I’ll just leave you both to your Faustian pact.

  • tony_opmoc


    Are you the Terry that claims to have got her Pregnant?

    Because whilst eveyone knows She likes Terry

    FFS He Looks about 10 years Older than Me And She Can Do Far Better Than Him

    I Quite Fancy Making Her Pregnant Myself…

    Except I Love My Wife

    And Her Husband

    Well He himself admits in his strong Southern Irish accent that he looks like an IRA Terrorist (Resigned)

    Now he can only shoot blanks

    I have suggested a Turkey Baster

    But it didn’t go down too well

    So I said, well there is no way I am fucking her

    Any Volunteers?


  • glenn

    Terry – Labour is _dead_. It’s now a neo-con zombie called “new” Labour. Sure, there are a few old die-hards who haven’t realised it yet, just like there are some Catholics who don’t yet realise that the Church exists only to make money and provide cover for a massive paedophile ring, and that the entire concept of a sky-spook exists only to exploit the ignorant and feeble-minded.

    Why don’t you answer Craig’s question, and explain why none of the people you insist don’t have anything to do with the “New” Labour project happen to have a sniff of a chance of leadership?

    As far as I’m concerned, Blair is an absolute traitor, far worse than Thatcher. She was what she stood for. Blair pretended to be something entirely different, and destroyed the opposition to Thatcherism. I fear, Terry, that you just haven’t wised up to that point yet. Until “New” Labour is utterly destroyed, we have no opposition to the right’s agenda. You are slowing that progress down by acting as an apologist for it.

  • tony_opmoc

    The old posh girls who went to the convent and lost their husbands on the way because they worked themselves to death bringing up their Children who are now in their 20’s and 30’s dont half


    You see, my wife finds out everything from both sides both old and young

    She of course tells me only a small percentage of what she knows

    But all these Old Girls are shagging Blokes Half Their Age


  • Richard Robinson

    Terry – “You’re also wildly attacking a Labour movement which at grassroots was the most vociferous campaigner against the Iraq slaughter.”

    Does it not suggest something, that their leadership did it anyway ? A little cabal did it, regardless of what their party members, or anyone else, said about it. For myself, I’ll consider voting for them again when they put that right, get the guilty parties to trial and give us credible assurances that they won’t let that happen again.

    My MP of the day, Hilton Dawson (pbuh, NuLab, Lancaster and Hinterland), posted a letter to the prime minister in the window of his ‘surgery’ just down the hill from where I live (he also emailed a copy directly to me in response to a Letter To My MP, asking him to do pretty much what he’d done). It was a better letter than I’d ever expected to see from an MP, being a cynical type with practice watching them. “Oi ! This is a really really bad idea, don’t go near it”. *Good* grassroots.

    Then he posted another letter, telling his constituents he wouldn’t be standing again next time. I find it hard to believe these two facts were not related.

    So what are these grassroots worth, with such a leadership ? Take it back from them, then tell us.

  • glenn

    Err… Tony, your contributions to the latest thread often strays from the point. It’s kind of difficult to converse with others while you persist in doing this – Craig might spend time deleting this rambling the next day, but you’ve spoiled the conversation in the meantime. Please stop it!

  • tony_opmoc


    A Tory mate of mine phoned me up last night, to share his delight with me….

    He always calls me a Right Northern Labour Bastard

    But he knows I didn’t vote and so of course I said nice things to him about like the Tories might not be so bad after all….

    And after around an hour of conversations between him and me and my wife (half the time seperately or we would both be bored shitless….

    He gives my wife a job

    Find out if She has a Husband or Boyfriend

    Well Of Course We Both Know Who He Fancies Like Rotten

    It is The Singer in The Band

    I thought

    No Fucking Chance


  • tony_opmoc


    I suggest you apply for the job of moderator of Craig Murray’s website

    But don’t expect to get paid anything, and then when you are deleting things from people which you didn’t even read properly but thought they probably didn’t conform to the editorial policy of the website…

    You will Resign because everyone hates you – except the management of course.

    But you will have still done it for nothing.

    You will have had no reward and you won’t actually have achieved anything

    I am retired

    I am a lot older than you

    Get out and Do Something Useful Instead of Spending All Your Time On The Internet


  • Courtenay Barnett

    @ Chris, who said:-

    ” Craig, you will end up disappointed. I think we’ve all seen this before. A party gains power; some policies or agreements seem good, some not so. The tendency of the believer is to forgive the bad – or put it down to expediency or compromise – and cling to the perceived good. It doesn’t work. Thousands forgave the 1997 labour party many things because we believed in the party and (Ha Ha) principles. We were betrayed, as will you be.

    When Clegg first appeared, Orange Book in hand, you had your New Labour moment. To believe anything else is to cling to a political hope that is nothing more than a warm, fuzzy, illusion.”

    So true. Craig may yet learn. But, he will be weeping and moaning in the very near future.

  • tony_opmoc

    Lets face it

    Most of The Posters Here are On The Fucking Dole and Have Been On The Dole For Years

    I Saw My Lad’s P60 and All The Tax He is Paying To Support You Lazy Cunts

    I Now Have To Say

    Eat The Rich

    (I have redecorated our front room since I posted this in America this Morning – and maybe fixed my computer)

    What The Fuck Have You Done?

    tony_opmoc [Moderator] 14 hours ago

    2 people liked this.

    The drugs and the television and the junk food and the guns and the wars are all a part of the cull.

    We’ve all been brainwashed, not to live healthy lives and achieve great things, but to sit at the table and stuff our brains and our bodies until we explode all over each other.

    Instead we should Eat The Rich


    People listen to me in America and they delete hardly anything


  • glenn

    Tony, you’re a great bloke and everything, and I think you have a very good heart. You often say things I agree with a great deal. I’d like to have a pint with you some day.

    I don’t want to be a moderator, I don’t want there to be posts here that need deleting. That’s why I’m asking that you might consider kind of easing off on these sorts of posts about bands, your misses, your local and so on in the most current thread when people are trying to talk on topic.

    That’s all.

  • crb

    maybe we just cant operate without a little hope and break now and then, to give it a try and say ok maybe we can work with this a while. Blair broke it, Gordon was plain odd, a few wise ones still might hold out some hope for Obama, though he looks fake and empty now too. Maybe enough people just wont try and deal with the truth of the military and financial persuasions which relentlessly lead us into a more and more competitive, violent and scarce world.

    I really dont know, but i know its a terrible waste of life in modern times.

  • lwtc247

    “…to me constitute a radical change for the better in the political possibilities for our country…”

    And of torture and war? I think the foreign policy is actually FAR more significant than the doemstic polciy, but most people are quite selfish and only look mostly inwards.

    “Safeguards against the misuse of anti-terrorism legislation.” Livni will be pleased.

  • tony_opmoc

    Sure I claimed dole in Oldham when I was 18/19 for about 9 months when I was trying to get a job after university

    And I claimed dole again when I was 27/28 when I lost my job in Manchester

    But I have never claimed anything from the Tax Payer or The Government since Norman Tebbit told me to get on my bike and get a job…

    O.K. – My Daughter got her EMA and her Grant – but that is only because I am retired and my pension is so low

    I still pay tax though


  • lwtc247

    Policy declaration:

    “1) War will continue. We will do nothing to stop it. We WILL massacre more people and help keep impoverished hundreds of millions”

    “243) We will aim towards reduction in levels of vegi-abuse. For too long, no legislation has sought to protect the rights of the tomato.”


    “Hourray! The civil rights for the tomato’s will be strengthened by this government.”

  • angrysoba

    “Here’s another good one:

    “The only difference between Bush and Hitler is that Hitler was elected.”

    Kurt Vonnegut, 1922-2007.”

    It was sad to see Kurt Vonnegut go utterly senile towards the end of his life. You don’t have to be a Bush supporter to know that comparing him to Hitler is utterly fatuous.

  • ScouseBilly

    angrysoba at May 13, 2010 3:00 AM

    He was far from that.

    A great and wise “man without a country” (his last work – try reading it).

  • glenn

    Angry: Of course there isn’t any real comparison between Dubbya and Hitler. The former was a figurehead of the establishment, who didn’t have a clue what he was doing or why he was there. Look up the 14 defining features of fascism, however, and you’ll see quite fair comparisons between the regimes behind them.

  • tony_opmoc

    The Tories have absolutely no idea how bad things can be for a 16 year old kid who tells his Mum he is Gay

    He gets thrown out of his home, and someone like my Daughter asks him back to our home….

    And explains all the circumstances

    So I contact his Mum 3 months after he has been staying in our home…(She Knew He Was Safe and Where He Was)

    He needs his Birth Certificate and His Passport and I am taking him with my Daughter to Social Security if You Don’t Let Him Come Home To You – You Are His Mum

    He Needs His EMA

    And I am throwing him out, because I have another friend who’s wife has chucked him out…

    My daughter just blows me away

    She is not Gay. She just Looks After Her Friends Like Her Brother and His Girlfriend Did..when they were Teenagers…

    This is sort of kind of now or in the fairly recent past

    The Kids Blow Me Away – They Are Just So Nice To Each Other

    My Wife was a Registered Child Minder and we have both been through all the Police Checks


  • tony_opmoc

    We have to build our communities from the ground up

    My wife an I are immigrants

    We come from Lancashire…

    But we thought we should export our Northern English Culture

    Down South

    We haven’t lost our accents

    We just always thought of our house as a home of love

    A place of Sanctuary sometimes for those in need

    But always with a smile and a sense of humour when sometimes we had to ask the Police and Social Services To Come Round

    (Which to their Credit They were Completely Brilliant)

    If The Tories Try and Destroy This Basic Human Support Structure in The Poorest Areas of Our Country

    Then All Hell will Break Loose

    FFS We must not become like Americans


  • tony_opmoc

    “5 Ways to Achieve World Peace and Prosperity — Yes, It’s Possible”

    No one would reply to this Article on Alternet in America and they get over 70,000 unique visitors a day

    to their website

    Some of them post here…

    Anyway I said this

    tony_opmoc [Moderator] 16 hours ago

    2 people liked this.

    That’s great, but far from making any progress since January 1941, the human race has gone in entirely the wrong direction. We’ve not only completed one World War, which resulted in us starting off the process of creating nuclear weapons that can kill us all several times over, but we are now in the midst of another.

    And the current World War is not one between nations, its one between the Evil, Rich and Powerful 99% of the Rest of The World.

    Despite our vastly superior numbers, we are like 997 sheep in a field, and all of us are being rounded up by the 3 Dogs and heading direct to the Slaughter House without barely a Bahhh.


    (Edited by author 15 hours ago)

    I don’t remember editing it

  • tony_opmoc

    The American Soaps Like Lost and FastForward…

    I keep having to try and explain to people

    That it is All Made Up

    Someone just wrote a ridiculous story that no one could give a fuck about any more because they keep going backwards and forwards in time and re-writing the script as they go along…

    So the stupid English Cunts that they killed off Years Ago…

    Come Back After Death To Haunt Them

    If You want to watch anything Decent

    Then The British Soaps

    Shameless and Skins

    Blow The Yanks Away

    Our Soaps Are All Based on Real Life

    If We Kill A Character Played By an American Actor

    We Bury Him and We Do Not Bring Him Back To Life

    Soft Twats

    We might let him play again though in a different part in a different story – if he is any good

    (and the same applies to American Girls)


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